UK fines online casino for only asking KYC from winning gamblers

[Silberman]

One fairly common complain among gamblers is they are allowed to make a deposit at casinos and lose their money without any issue, but if they happen to win and they want to make a withdrawal then they are hit with a KYC request almost immediately, Tonybet a fiat Estonian casino was fined more than 400,000 pounds for this practice and it seems the regulators are now interested in making reforms to the laws and force casinos to also make checks on those gamblers which have lost a lot of money.

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/18/tonybet-fined-regulator-online-betting-id-checks-terms

[jackg]

I have a feeling this is argued as something that happens in normal casinos so its fine to do online but I doubt that actually works out law wise (eg we can only hold £100,000 in our casino and need to bank transfer/cheque for higher).

I'm surprised it's taken them this long to consider it illegal though and something worth investigating (perhaps it's just that a case has only now been brought against them).

[Oshosondy]

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

For KYC casinos, it would be good if people that are signing up should do KYC before they can deposit.

It is a very good idea but it would be good for punters to always read casino ToS before they register and they should provide necessary documents for KYC, they should do KYC before they deposit.

Many gambling sites are doing this to cheat their customers, it is common everywhere.

[n0ne]

Almost every gambling platform does this and they never find it a serious issue, as they never look from the user end. It is good to allow deposits only after KYC verification. We users of different online casinos might've experienced it, but the support teams easily give a solution as the platforms doesn't want to degrade the reputation of the platform.

The competence in the gambling industry paves path for the success and give the best comfort for gamblers.

[Fortify]

One fairly common complain among gamblers is they are allowed to make a deposit at casinos and lose their money without any issue, but if they happen to win and they want to make a withdrawal then they are hit with a KYC request almost immediately, Tonybet a fiat Estonian casino was fined more than 400,000 pounds for this practice and it seems the regulators are now interested in making reforms to the laws and force casinos to also make checks on those gamblers which have lost a lot of money.

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/18/tonybet-fined-regulator-online-betting-id-checks-terms

What's perhaps a bit weirder is the fact that it's an Estonian online casino getting fined by the UK. I wonder if there is a comparative case being brought in Europe or Estonia - if not against this casino then any others. It does seem like a pretty underhanded way for these companies to perhaps claw back some of the money from winning customers, while also limiting barriers to depositing for losers. If a customer has lost a lot of money and a KYC request comes up, it might just be enough of an obstacle to stop them from ever adding more money to the site, so it is definitely a valid complaint. Let's hope the fine is put to good use in pursuing even more casinos who use such abusive practices.

[Baofeng]

It's going to be the norm of being asked for KYC I believed, so you should be ready when one casino will ask you to do that. I guess it's the question of practice though, as the OP mentioned, it's only when the bettors won big that suddenly the casino will ask you to submit info. And when you comply, still, there are suspicious and then you might not get your winnings, hence there is a scam accusations against the casino itself. So it's better to ask for KYC in the beginning for me, and not get gamblers info false idea that they won't be getting KYC'ed.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

The issue of online casinos allowing gamblers to deposit, gamble and lose without problems, but switch on the kyc button the very moment the gambler wins and places a withdrawal request is menace which I personally think the authorities have allowed to thrive for too long to the extent it seems to have become a norm for several casinos.
This is not an issue they is peculiar to online gambling casinos alone, it stretches out to even some cryptocurrency trading platforms, it's barbaric and an unfair situation on gamblers and one that should have been dealt with by the authorities a long time ago..

Anyways, I believe this will serve as a warning to the casinos that still practice this act, hopefully, they will begin to think twice before imposing mandatory kyc upon their customers only when a withdrawal request comes through.

[Ebede]

For my own peace of advice I will advise many people to understand that it is very good for someone to have the kyc registration and the verification in a platform before depositing any money because once you deposit the money without having kyc verification that is every possibility that you will win and there is every possibility that you lose and then when you win and you are asked to withdraw your money and the kyc verification needed then that is why or when a player will become to complain of kyc verification so it is good for those things should be done before depositing any funds

[dunfida]

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

KYC should really be asked out if they do see something suspicious towards a gambler behavior or activity which it is always been part of their terms and conditions about potential add up requirement if they had noticed

something but if they are really that making it as a standard one, then it turns out that they are really that having some intent on making people do go into the hard path and would solo out those winnings
because we do know that there are people who doesnt really like KYC and would simply ignore out on what they had won but it is unlikely.It is really just that a bad user experience
to have these delays just because you do need to do the requirement first which is really that too hassle.

[AmoreJaz]

For my own peace of advice I will advise many people to understand that it is very good for someone to have the kyc registration and the verification in a platform before depositing any money because once you deposit the money without having kyc verification that is every possibility that you will win and there is every possibility that you lose and then when you win and you are asked to withdraw your money and the kyc verification needed then that is why or when a player will become to complain of kyc verification so it is good for those things should be done before depositing any funds

if it is stated on their terms, expect that anytime they may make a call of asking kyc from their players, even if you have no unusual activity. better be prepared than not. so yes, deposit significant amount of money only to the sites that you feel you can submit docs when they ask for it.

[harizen]

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

From the very first place, fiat casinos really mandate KYC even not for big winnings. Therefore rules and terms referring to verification should already be expected by all users. Referring to crypto-casinos on the other hand, KYC might be a mandatory requirement in the future due to regulations.

But for now, we shouldn't really bother with KYC-related stuff on crypto-casinos as most of them don't require KYC and users can still be free to play anonymously. However though on big winnings, always be ready that some sites must really ask for KYC and we have no choice but to accept it as regulations are now touching the crypto-gambling sites.

More importantly, just always refer to their Terms and Regulations to know more about how KYC will be imposed on that said crypto-gambling site.

[Rabi3]

One fairly common complain among gamblers is they are allowed to make a deposit at casinos and lose their money without any issue, but if they happen to win and they want to make a withdrawal then they are hit with a KYC request almost immediately, Tonybet a fiat Estonian casino was fined more than 400,000 pounds for this practice and it seems the regulators are now interested in making reforms to the laws and force casinos to also make checks on those gamblers which have lost a lot of money.

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/18/tonybet-fined-regulator-online-betting-id-checks-terms

I'm happy to see this happening, the first time this happened to me which was about 6 years ago, I was fuming, why would a casino require all players to perform KYC in order for them to make a withdrawal, but don't mention it at all when making a deposit, it almost seems intentional from them so that people who don't want to perform KYC have their money stuck with them.

[Yogee]

....If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea?

The new regulation will affect casinos that operates in UK only right? The gambling regulators there are quite strict but I don't know about those from Curacao or other jurisdictions. I mean they can copy those same rules by UK's Gambling Commission but how about its implementation?

Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers

I don't like it. I'd rather see casinos fined for unjustly seizing or holding funds.

or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Definitely. A decrease in customers is also a possibility if they implement KYC upon deposit.

[Hispo]

do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

If this becomes an new standard and more casinos start to get fined, it is probable clients will be asked for KYC explicitly as soon as they reach some threshold on their losses and earnings. Fining casinos is not necessary, in my opinion, that only causes unnecessary losses to the industry.

The solution would be to let gamblers know that we would be likely asked for their information in case of losses as well, just letting them know in advance (in case this gets pushed by regulators, I repeat)

[bittraffic]

or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Definitely. A decrease in customers is also a possibility if they implement KYC upon deposit.

Score 1. This is a win for players who wish to not submit data but this could be an attack on the gambling industry.

People had been complaining about this for a long time forcing them to pass whenever they want to withdraw the outstanding balances. Soon there will be more laundering that will happen and then the regulators are going to scrutinize suspected casinos and seize funds.

[traderethereum]

Basically, I agree with this so that the casinos that don't pay their winners for various reasons realize that now the government is watching them.
That will make the casinos dare not go against the regulators and have to pay the winnings to each winner without any reason if the winner is not cheating.
But now, crypto casinos have started enforcing KYC for their members, especially those who have managed to win a lot of money from gambling games.
Casinos should know about this from the many news out there so these troubled casinos should have started improving their casinos system.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

This is interesting and I think it sets a precedent for what is going to be the norm in a few years' time. In the end, everyone will be asked for KYC upon registration or deposit and that's it, like in many fiat casinos. I suppose there will still be casinos without KYC but people will have to access with vpn/Tor and they won't be strictly legal.

The news talks about a fiat casino and the possible new regulation. I think cryptocurrency casinos will still be able to operate as they do now for a few years but in the end they will be forced to do like everyone else.

[Solosanz]

It just proving the casino doesn't want to pay the winnings to the gamblers or they're lack of bankroll, so they're want to prevent from gamblers to win and they can confiscate the money if the gamblers don't want to submit their KYC. But it's a fiat casino which mean they will deposit the money through their bank accounts, the casino can easily recognize the real name and the bank accounts of the gamblers, they can directly contact the banks in order to get the personal information.

I guess they're want to crosscheck to prove if the gambler submit different identity or not.

[Pierre 2]

I think its not that different than asking kyc from all users of that specific casino. I can't support this method, friend. I mean its obvious to find out your ID as you withdraw by fiat money to your own bank account. But through crypto this was very easily avoidable. If countries like United Kingdom start asking kyc from one type of casinos, I am sure they will start asking from crypto casinos as well. I wish we could turn back in time where we could anonymously gamble our money. Regulators are asking too much.

[batang_bitcoin]

There can be some authorities that will pass that law that will be receiving some good incentive from those casinos that will be badly hit by that law if it's about to get passed.
And you know, they just want to have the favor so that they'll not experience any problem as they operate. This is common in my country but I don't know in UK if they're too strict on that and they'll go along with the cause on the victim's side.
They just have to ratify it if they really are for the people so that these casinos that do always make excuses or create reasons to delay someone's winning for withdrawal.

[Coin_trader]

Blockchain technology has the ability to completely change how we play and win in the gaming business. The ability to conduct anonymous transactions using blockchain technology frees participants from having to go through the customary KYC procedure. This might do away with the need for casinos to request personal information from successful gamblers, which is something that many players dislike. But holding a big anonymous gambling blockchain-based cant easily be shut down, like the silk road as long as the government think that it is illegal

Blockchain technology also offers a transparent and safe means to trace transactions, which may help stop fraud and cheating. Additionally, it gives participants total control over their money, which might lower the chance that it will be lost or stolen. Players will have a safer and more equitable gaming experience thanks to blockchain.

No matter how decentralized the blockchain is. Players always casino license before they play at a casino so that they can trust which is ironic since the license can be only acquired by a centralized company. There is a lot of casinos that offers a decentralized gaming experience but most of them didn't have that many players due to unappealing games and user won't trust anonymous devs due to many scams on crypto.  Admit or not but we can't do a complete decentralized ecosystem on gambling because it involves a lot of trust in unknown developers that they will not run our money when we do deposit.

I'm not against KYC on casinos but they should have at least use trusted KYC services that can guarantee the safety of our data. I really doing KYC at an unknown casino.

[rahmad2nd]

In fact, there are many such practices especially fiat-based online casinos. but I'm not sure, can give the answer. regarding the issue of fines by England, let it be their decision. especially if the casino only wants to harm its users.

But apart from that. actually it is very important, before we actually play, register, deposit for the first time, at the casino that will be played to get used to reading the ToS first. if the casino does not meet the criteria we want, we can look for another casino that is more comfortable for us to use. cases like this are commonplace, so before we have problems like what happened to the Casino Fiat Estonia. it's a good idea for us to register for KYC first, if indeed it is required and that also makes it easier for us when we want to make withdrawals later.

[jrrsparkles]

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

For KYC casinos, it would be good if people that are signing up should do KYC before they can deposit.

It is a very good idea but it would be good for punters to always read casino ToS before they register and they should provide necessary documents for KYC, they should do KYC before they deposit.

Many gambling sites are doing this to cheat their customers, it is common everywhere.

It is good idea too but many feels its too much to give their KYC details for like they want to try the casino with small amount and in future they will actually play there or not that is why casinos usually ask for KYC when the withdrawal request comes for big amounts, and of course casinos maybe using this as a tool to stop paying the actual winnings from their customer on many cases.

However if they make some regulations and make the KYC as mandatory even for the deposit then it won't really affect at all for the casino either its fiat or crypto but clear lot of confusion and wrong accusations against them.

[erep]

It just proving the casino doesn't want to pay the winnings to the gamblers or they're lack of bankroll, so they're want to prevent from gamblers to win and they can confiscate the money if the gamblers don't want to submit their KYC. But it's a fiat casino which mean they will deposit the money through their bank accounts, the casino can easily recognize the real name and the bank accounts of the gamblers, they can directly contact the banks in order to get the personal information.

I guess they're want to crosscheck to prove if the gambler submit different identity or not.

I don't think there is any specific difference from that case, crypto casinos also always ask for KYC verification after the user reaches the withdrawal threshold or after high winnings, even they add the rule in certain conditions because the KYC rule was never in the terms and conditions rules. So there is no other choice but to comply with the regulations to complete KYC and wait for the withdrawal process of the big win you get from the casino.

[Lanatsa]

It just proving the casino doesn't want to pay the winnings to the gamblers or they're lack of bankroll, so they're want to prevent from gamblers to win and they can confiscate the money if the gamblers don't want to submit their KYC. But it's a fiat casino which mean they will deposit the money through their bank accounts, the casino can easily recognize the real name and the bank accounts of the gamblers, they can directly contact the banks in order to get the personal information.

I guess they're want to crosscheck to prove if the gambler submit different identity or not.

I don't think there is any specific difference from that case, crypto casinos also always ask for KYC verification after the user reaches the withdrawal threshold or after high winnings, even they add the rule in certain conditions because the KYC rule was never in the terms and conditions rules. So there is no other choice but to comply with the regulations to complete KYC and wait for the withdrawal process of the big win you get from the casino.

Would be a no brainer for someone to do so because if we do tend to look at on the situations on which people do even submit kyc on to those traditional transactions that we do IRL which means that if ever we

do able to hit up big on a casino then complying out those KYC verification or requirements wouldn't really be that much of an issue.Unless to those people who do really value their privacy would definitely make

out some reaction and making it a big deal.For terms and conditions statement then this is why its really that relevant on reading up because everything would be stated there and possible
make some screenshot to avoid the risk for the team to make out some alterations.

[ChiBitCTy]

I'm all about freedom and less government ( the side of me that sides Republican here in America) but I'm not sure it makes any sense to have KYC only if you win.  If they are going to require KYC, then to me it only makes sense to make it a requirement from the start so you know that you are going run in to at some point.  By not requiring KYC up front, I feel like it's a bit misleading, and therefore doesn't really make sense.

[KTChampions]

I wonder who will strain and pass the KУC after he lost a lot of money? Is there a tax break or something like that for losing at a casino?
In my opinion, if a casino requires a KУC, then it should take place before the player wins or loses. If the player was allowed to make a bet, then everything is OK and there can be no further questions after winning.
As for crypto casinos, I hope that in any case, unregulated projects will remain and some completely decentralized projects will appear.

[Agbe]

Op thanks for bringing this to the forum. I am very much Happy for this fine. Casinos were just dupping customers illegal. KYC would have been asked in the day of registration but they would not because they know what they are doing. And the worst part of the whole thing is that when they asked you for KYC and there is slide mistake in the ask documents they would not pay you again. And you win is also lost. I will want them to implement this policy very well.

[goaldigger]

Op thanks for bringing this to the forum. I am very much Happy for this fine. Casinos were just dupping customers illegal. KYC would have been asked in the day of registration but they would not because they know what they are doing. And the worst part of the whole thing is that when they asked you for KYC and there is slide mistake in the ask documents they would not pay you again. And you win is also lost. I will want them to implement this policy very well.

This is actually what’s happening in some crypto gambling site, they are just requiring KYC if you’re going to withdraw at least a decent amount and if you can’t provide with the documents, you chance of not getting the money is very high. Unfortunately, you can’t do anything about this aside from raising your concern on every social media platform, maybe that can get the attention of the site. KYC should really asked in the registration and let the gambler decide if they will still continue with the registration or will look for alternatives.

[Johnyz]

I'm all about freedom and less government ( the side of me that sides Republican here in America) but I'm not sure it makes any sense to have KYC only if you win.  If they are going to require KYC, then to me it only makes sense to make it a requirement from the start so you know that you are going run in to at some point.  By not requiring KYC up front, I feel like it's a bit misleading, and therefore doesn't really make sense.

We’re actually talking about a fiat casino here and that’s why the government acts on this right away because of the complaints, that casino should not be trusted as all because of their misleading terms and regulations. If this happened to crypto casino, it will be hard for the casino to be fined. Anyway, I agree that every casino should inform everyone about their KYC policy, they have to make it clear and asked for a KYC in the registration to avoid confusion. Level 1 KYC is fine during the registration, the site can just asked for another KYC if they are already talking about big money.

[rhomelmabini]

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/18/tonybet-fined-regulator-online-betting-id-checks-terms

I think I agree with that idea and it's fair considering most crypto casinos are practicing this way. I'm not saying everytime they do this they'll be fined but for sure leaving an example by the regulators will make other casinos to wonder and not do the same. I don't think it's all disadvantages on both parties, it should be implemented first before saying it will have harmful effects.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I wonder who will strain and pass the KУC after he lost a lot of money? Is there a tax break or something like that for losing at a casino?
In my opinion, if a casino requires a KУC, then it should take place before the player wins or loses. If the player was allowed to make a bet, then everything is OK and there can be no further questions after winning.
As for crypto casinos, I hope that in any case, unregulated projects will remain and some completely decentralized projects will appear.

But unfortunately, as we can see, the opposite is the case here, one thing i can tell you is that this casinos know what they are doing for sure, they know that asking new registrants to pass KYC verification immediately after registration before they are allowed to deposit or play on the casino will definitely keep some potential users of that casino away, So they just allow gamblers to sign up, deposit and gamble, lose and win, but at the instance when the gambler wants to withdraw their winning, at this point, the casino owners know that the gambler would do anything to have his or her money, they would then ask for KYC..
Things should never be this way, Casinos should learn to add some good conduct to their principles. 

[Oasisman]

One fairly common complain among gamblers is they are allowed to make a deposit at casinos and lose their money without any issue, but if they happen to win and they want to make a withdrawal then they are hit with a KYC request almost immediately, Tonybet a fiat Estonian casino was fined more than 400,000 pounds for this practice and it seems the regulators are now interested in making reforms to the laws and force casinos to also make checks on those gamblers which have lost a lot of money.

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/18/tonybet-fined-regulator-online-betting-id-checks-terms

I'm not sure if the casino included that in their TOS, because if not, they'll definitely going to be sued for such a tricky way of dealing with KYC.
Though it should never be like that in the first place. If they want to implement a KYC with their online casino, they should require it for their clients before they make a deposit. Or option B, they could at least set a range of how much the client should spend on betting or holding in his account before it triggers the KYC compliance.
Casinos like this did it on purpose, of course with their own gain, as some clients may not bother to comply with KYC, especially with low winning amounts.

[chaser15]

Isn't it good instead that the fiat casino mentioned in the topic was only asking KYC from winning gamblers if they won an amount? Usually, fiat casinos ask for KYC right from the start of the registration and it's the usual system in fiat casinos, at least the way I have known it as I also played in online fiat casinos here.

Of course, if that kind of regulation was applied to crypto-casinos, as long as KYC is not mandatory or something can be compared in crypto exchanges, I'm fine with it as there's no choice in the first place but to accept that kind of regulation in the crypto-gambling industry.

[harizen]

I'm all about freedom and less government ( the side of me that sides Republican here in America) but I'm not sure it makes any sense to have KYC only if you win.  If they are going to require KYC, then to me it only makes sense to make it a requirement from the start so you know that you are going run in to at some point.  By not requiring KYC up front, I feel like it's a bit misleading, and therefore doesn't really make sense.

But for sure, crypto-gamblers don't want that idea. There are lots of lurkers who maybe just want to test the site and if KYC will be a thing from the start, it will discourage them to try that site. For me, the current and most setup by crypto-casinos today where KYC would just be asking for big winnings should be the best option instead of asking it from the start.

Although, it doesn't really make sense to ask KYC for big winnings as "why it should be" if in the end, that winning is a legit one and no associated cheats or whatever, we just have to follow that terms or find another site that will suit our own criteria.

[Darker45]

But how many crypto casinos are there that are registered in Estonia? Most are Curacao-licensed, I suppose.

I'm in favor of this, although this doesn't really interest me. I suppose that Tonybet has it in its ToS that they reserve the right to require a player to submit KYC anytime. The only problem here is that they only require it when a player wins. The regulators prefer that even those losers should also submit KYC. Things are now becoming even worse.

What I'm really interested is when casinos are fined because they are only looking for and pointing out violations when a player wins big, but when he/she signed up, made a deposit, played a lot and is losing big, there's no problem. It seems they are using it as a way not to pay up.

[Yogee]

Isn't it good instead that the fiat casino mentioned in the topic was only asking KYC from winning gamblers if they won an amount?

Sometimes it's also nerve wrecking when the casino holds your winning for hours or days before they release payment due to KYC review but that's not the main concern. The problem here is that casinos may deny your withdrawals due to some failure in KYC. You don't have to worry about all that when you've been approved or denied from the start.

[xSkylarx]

One fairly common complain among gamblers is they are allowed to make a deposit at casinos and lose their money without any issue, but if they happen to win and they want to make a withdrawal then they are hit with a KYC request almost immediately, Tonybet a fiat Estonian casino was fined more than 400,000 pounds for this practice and it seems the regulators are now interested in making reforms to the laws and force casinos to also make checks on those gamblers which have lost a lot of money.

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/18/tonybet-fined-regulator-online-betting-id-checks-terms

This is only implemented in the UK, even though the owner is from Estonia but his casino is based in the UK. If they were based in the UK, they would follow it once it was approved whether it was a fiat casino or a cryptocurrency. This is also good as we can prevent problems once we win, but if the casino is legal, then I think it would be easy to get KYC approved. One of the pros of having KYC at the start is that you don't get into any trouble, like winning big you can easily get it.

[QueenVera]

This is really bad and unfair to the casinos and this regulatory bodies must have to understand that they casinos ate only trying their best to balance their regulations along side with the demands of the customers who most times don't care how the casino would go about giving them what they want.
I feel the casinos are the ones suffering from the regulations implemented to avoid fraudulent acts and money laundering because while the government is wanting the casinos make sure their customers do KYC, the customers are on the other hand, customers are not willing to do KYC and now leaving the casino fustrated at the end.
The UK government should understand that in bid to balance this whole situation, oneof the best way to go about this so as to avoid cheating is for the player to provide KYC after winning a certain amount because the player will be eager to do KYC after winning just to claim their winnings.

[Wexnident]

I'm surprised it's taken them this long to consider it illegal though and something worth investigating (perhaps it's just that a case has only now been brought against them).

Eh, I reckon most online casinos would just use the excuse of issues would only arise if they were to ever win since, well, that'd be the only case where any problem found would be a problem for them. And don't most casinos word it instead like KYC on withdrawal, instead of KYC upon winning? Basically the same but I reckon they can use that as some sort of defense for these types of cases.

I do hope in general they just tell the customers to KYC at signup maybe if they were to make it a necessity in the first place. I don't think it'd make that much difference no?

[Plaguedeath]

I do hope in general they just tell the customers to KYC at signup maybe if they were to make it a necessity in the first place. I don't think it'd make that much difference no?

Actually it's good to make sure the gamblers are aware if they need to submit their KYC when playing on licensed casino. But the problem is, most people are are don't want to submit KYC but they do want to play in licensed casino, so if the casino ask the verification during create new account, I believe there are a lot people will choose other casino and this casino will lost a lot potential new gamblers.

[len01]

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

For KYC casinos, it would be good if people that are signing up should do KYC before they can deposit.

It is a very good idea but it would be good for punters to always read casino ToS before they register and they should provide necessary documents for KYC, they should do KYC before they deposit.

Many gambling sites are doing this to cheat their customers, it is common everywhere.

indeed such a thing is natural because almost all online casinos nowadays will ask KYC every time they want to withdraw a big win.
but sometimes gamblers neglect to read the ToS that has been formed by online gambling platforms, they only think about betting without thinking if one day they will win big and be asked for KYC. even though it would be more practical if when registering and before making a deposit, it's better to do KYC first. so when you get a big or small win you won't be asked for KYC data anymore so it doesn't hinder you from withdrawing your winnings.

[ethereumhunter]

I do hope in general they just tell the customers to KYC at signup maybe if they were to make it a necessity in the first place. I don't think it'd make that much difference no?

Actually it's good to make sure the gamblers are aware if they need to submit their KYC when playing on licensed casino. But the problem is, most people are are don't want to submit KYC but they do want to play in licensed casino, so if the casino ask the verification during create new account, I believe there are a lot people will choose other casino and this casino will lost a lot potential new gamblers.

That's because people who play gambling at crypto casinos think that crypto is synonymous with anonymity so they don't feel the need to do KYC. And actually, casinos can also not enforce strict rules but can apply minimum limits for people not to do KYC. It will be like a win-win solution for both parties where gamblers must really control the use of money for gambling while casinos only ask KYC for users who use money beyond the limits they set.

[Oshosondy]

It is good idea too but many feels its too much to give their KYC details for like they want to try the casino with small amount and in future they will actually play there or not that is why casinos usually ask for KYC when the withdrawal request comes for big amounts, and of course casinos maybe using this as a tool to stop paying the actual winnings from their customer on many cases.

I remember a time I did not have drivers license nor international passport, all I depended on was temporary national identity card, the card is accepted locally but not accepted internationally except when Binance noticed many people in my country have not registered after mandating KYC, but people are using the temporary national identity card and failed, later Binance have no option than to accept it. I was over 18 years but not having the important document for KYC purpose on many sites including gambling site because of the paper temporary national identity card. Assuming I deposit little amount of money on a gambling site, won big, this would be a problem for people like me to withdraw.

[goldkingcoiner]

One fairly common complain among gamblers is they are allowed to make a deposit at casinos and lose their money without any issue, but if they happen to win and they want to make a withdrawal then they are hit with a KYC request almost immediately, Tonybet a fiat Estonian casino was fined more than 400,000 pounds for this practice and it seems the regulators are now interested in making reforms to the laws and force casinos to also make checks on those gamblers which have lost a lot of money.

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/18/tonybet-fined-regulator-online-betting-id-checks-terms

Well its about time! Too many gambling casinos are using a weaponized form of KYC just in hopes that they will get their money back one way or another from the winners who cannot or do not provide KYC due to their own reasons. Or they use KYC as a stalling tactic until the only choice is to get a lawyer or give up their winnings. Its quite disgusting at this point because they know that not everyone has the strength to fight back.

Either you demand KYC or you do not. Making withdrawing funds harder for winners only is not ok.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

One fairly common complain among gamblers is they are allowed to make a deposit at casinos and lose their money without any issue, but if they happen to win and they want to make a withdrawal then they are hit with a KYC request almost immediately, Tonybet a fiat Estonian casino was fined more than 400,000 pounds for this practice and it seems the regulators are now interested in making reforms to the laws and force casinos to also make checks on those gamblers which have lost a lot of money.

Since they are KYC casinos there shouldn't be more threat in demanding for the more statutory recognition in getting the user verified through their system, but it must also be noted not to allow the casino company get this as an advantage over the winner is other to denied them from receiving their winnings, if the case was looked into and definitely found to be a means to sabotage then i think it's also proper to file a suit against the casino for government intercession, even though it's something rare that the casino refused to pay the winner his money by introducing bunch of verification task.

[coin-investor]

It's going to be the norm of being asked for KYC I believed, so you should be ready when one casino will ask you to do that. I guess it's the question of practice though, as the OP mentioned, it's only when the bettors won big that suddenly the casino will ask you to submit info. And when you comply, still, there are suspicious and then you might not get your winnings, hence there is a scam accusations against the casino itself. So it's better to ask for KYC in the beginning for me, and not get gamblers info false idea that they won't be getting KYC'ed.

Unfortunately, so many casinos are not doing this, they allow people to join and do nothing while betting, there are people who already wagered 5 digits without being asked to do KYC, then they asked when the players are about to cashout huge amounts of money that's where the issue for the player start, besides the long wait they are in agony if the casino will release their earnings.

The scam section is full of these players wagered 5 to 6 digits with no KYC then the casino asks for KYC when the player wins a big amount only to be accused of cheating or having multi-account.

[virasisog]

It's going to be the norm of being asked for KYC I believed, so you should be ready when one casino will ask you to do that. I guess it's the question of practice though, as the OP mentioned, it's only when the bettors won big that suddenly the casino will ask you to submit info. And when you comply, still, there are suspicious and then you might not get your winnings, hence there is a scam accusation against the casino itself. So it's better to ask for KYC in the beginning for me, and not get gamblers' info false idea that they won't be getting KYC'ed.

Unfortunately, so many casinos are not doing this, they allow people to join and do nothing while betting, some people already wagered 5 digits without being asked to do KYC, then they asked when the players are about to cashout huge amounts of money that's where the issue for the player start, besides the long wait they are in agony if the casino will release their earnings.

The scam section is full of these players wagered 5 to 6 digits with no KYC then the casino asks for KYC when the player wins a big amount only to be accused of cheating or having multi-account.

This has been happening for a long time. I wonder if it's their strategy to hold people's funds or if they only want to put a hard time on winners. It will be better if they will ask KYC right from the beginning so players would know if they can comply and pass the kyc requirements and they will not have to spend their funds and lost it later on.
However, it will be better on our side to always expect KYC because most casinos these days require it. We should just think of KYC as a protection and our security against fraudsters and scammers. ,

[blockman]

I do hope in general they just tell the customers to KYC at signup maybe if they were to make it a necessity in the first place. I don't think it'd make that much difference no?

Actually it's good to make sure the gamblers are aware if they need to submit their KYC when playing on licensed casino. But the problem is, most people are are don't want to submit KYC but they do want to play in licensed casino, so if the casino ask the verification during create new account, I believe there are a lot people will choose other casino and this casino will lost a lot potential new gamblers.

Yeah, it's better to make that during the registration process so that the user signing up is aware of it. But that's for sure going to push away a lot of new registers on any casino that will do that. That's why some are too transparent to say that there's really no kyc at the registration but they may be asked if there's something wrong on their accounts like huge withdrawal requests or whatsoever related to limits and stuff.

[pixie85]

For KYC casinos, it would be good if people that are signing up should do KYC before they can deposit.

It is a very good idea but it would be good for punters to always read casino ToS before they register and they should provide necessary documents for KYC, they should do KYC before they deposit.

Many gambling sites are doing this to cheat their customers, it is common everywhere.

This also isn't a good thing as there should be limits to how much you can play with no KYC. It's literally stupid to ask KYC from people who come to test the site with $50 when you can do all financial operations with no KYC up to a much higher limit.

The minimums of $100 USD for deposits and withdrawals should be completely fine for any banks, governments or casinos. Nobody is going to launder such small amount and making people compromise their ID just to spend a few dollars makes no sense.

[qwertyup23]

It's going to be the norm of being asked for KYC I believed, so you should be ready when one casino will ask you to do that. I guess it's the question of practice though, as the OP mentioned, it's only when the bettors won big that suddenly the casino will ask you to submit info. And when you comply, still, there are suspicious and then you might not get your winnings, hence there is a scam accusations against the casino itself. So it's better to ask for KYC in the beginning for me, and not get gamblers info false idea that they won't be getting KYC'ed.

Unfortunately, so many casinos are not doing this, they allow people to join and do nothing while betting, there are people who already wagered 5 digits without being asked to do KYC, then they asked when the players are about to cashout huge amounts of money that's where the issue for the player start, besides the long wait they are in agony if the casino will release their earnings.

The scam section is full of these players wagered 5 to 6 digits with no KYC then the casino asks for KYC when the player wins a big amount only to be accused of cheating or having multi-account.

That is why I highly recommend for a person to gamble in an online gambling website which is well-known and well-reputable to prevent these types of problems.

KYC was designed in order for them to follow with their respective rules and comply with their laws. While this may seem dangerous for the person to give out their respective identities, this requirement is slowly becoming mandatory to majority of the gambling websites. Since that is the case, better yet gamble on a website that has been around for years and has a well-established popularity of security and general safety.

[EarnOnVictor]

Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

That amount is even small, it should have run in millions. The fair practice I know is to disallow a deposit if the withdrawal would not be honoured simply because of a lack of KYC. Companies are using this approach to cheat their customers, and the first bad experience I had was with brokerage companies. Some were so bad to the point that they would be rejecting genuine verification documents after a withdrawal is initiated so as to frustrate the trader from withdrawing their money. That is why I like to do all the necessary KYC while dealing with any companies to avoid issues later.

And what the UK has done to the casino is so good if it's true. I will not mind if a law could be passed in this regard as well.

[dothebeats]

Most crypto casinos are doing KYC upon registration and 2nd level only on wins anyway, so I don't get why this fiat casino doesn't implement initial KYC upon registration. The fine that they have received is too low, and it's like they're holding the winnings of the gamblers hostage by imposing that KYC upon wins only. There should have been some form of clarification from the get-go, otherwise the casino will always get away from their schemes like these until the gambler just gets frustrated and gambles his/her winnings away.

[uneng]

I don't think KYC should be required in every cases. Gamblers who stay under the radar shouldn't have they IDs asked, just like it currently happens in most crypto casinos around. If casinos have to follow KYC procedure, that they do it with big players. On that case I agree KYC should be demanded on winnings and losses. It can't be used as a tool to kidnap gamblers' winnings, but as a measure to prevent money laundering, as it was firstly designed to.

So, it's acceptable big players who are losing huge amounts of money comply with KYC, just like the ones trying to withdraw huge sums of money.

[darkangel11]

I feel like this hidden KYC is a plague and should be fought one way of another. Of course I'd rather not have KYC at all and I do what I can to avoid it, but if given a choice, I'd rather be hit with it on deposit than on withdrawal when I win something. It feels like they don't want to let you out with money.

I feel like we'll sooner see full KYC introduced in every casino from the start than see the state chase around after fraudulent casinos that don't want to give you your money claiming that you can't pass their procedures.

[Johnyz]

Most crypto casinos are doing KYC upon registration and 2nd level only on wins anyway, so I don't get why this fiat casino doesn't implement initial KYC upon registration. The fine that they have received is too low, and it's like they're holding the winnings of the gamblers hostage by imposing that KYC upon wins only. There should have been some form of clarification from the get-go, otherwise the casino will always get away from their schemes like these until the gambler just gets frustrated and gambles his/her winnings away.

Physical casinos actually asking for your KYC once you register for a membership card which is required in the first place, so I’m really confused as well why that casino didn’t do their first KYC to that user and hold the winnings just because KYC can’t be comply anymore after winning the big amount of money. Again, this should be asked in the first place and be clear to their KYC policy.

[milewilda]

Most crypto casinos are doing KYC upon registration and 2nd level only on wins anyway, so I don't get why this fiat casino doesn't implement initial KYC upon registration. The fine that they have received is too low, and it's like they're holding the winnings of the gamblers hostage by imposing that KYC upon wins only. There should have been some form of clarification from the get-go, otherwise the casino will always get away from their schemes like these until the gambler just gets frustrated and gambles his/her winnings away.

Physical casinos actually asking for your KYC once you register for a membership card which is required in the first place, so I’m really confused as well why that casino didn’t do their first KYC to that user and hold the winnings just because KYC can’t be comply anymore after winning the big amount of money. Again, this should be asked in the first place and be clear to their KYC policy.

Most of gambling sites or online platforms that we do have today which they do have that similar terms and conditions that they could anytime ask out for some kyc if ever they would really be seeing some suspicions
about your gambling activity or simply asking it out some kyc due to legality issues which as a winner of big amount, are you tending to oppose on whats been asked? I know that it do sucks when there's
sudden changed up with these terms which you werent expecting due to not able to read it out at first.This is why im not really that shocked nor surprised on how
these platforms changes up.

[passwordnow]

I don't think KYC should be required in every cases. Gamblers who stay under the radar shouldn't have they IDs asked, just like it currently happens in most crypto casinos around. If casinos have to follow KYC procedure, that they do it with big players. On that case I agree KYC should be demanded on winnings and losses. It can't be used as a tool to kidnap gamblers' winnings, but as a measure to prevent money laundering, as it was firstly designed to.

So, it's acceptable big players who are losing huge amounts of money comply with KYC, just like the ones trying to withdraw huge sums of money.

I agree, it should be done with those big players that are cashing out lots of amounts from their platforms. But in these times, it seems that there's no exception to it, to even the slightest type of gamblers that have little to withdraw. They're also being asked for KYC and it's all due to the policy that's being placed on them by the government where they're registered. If that can be mended by those governments then many will be able not have to worry anymore with such sudden verification.

[KTChampions]

I wonder who will strain and pass the KУC after he lost a lot of money? Is there a tax break or something like that for losing at a casino?
In my opinion, if a casino requires a KУC, then it should take place before the player wins or loses. If the player was allowed to make a bet, then everything is OK and there can be no further questions after winning.
As for crypto casinos, I hope that in any case, unregulated projects will remain and some completely decentralized projects will appear.

But unfortunately, as we can see, the opposite is the case here, one thing i can tell you is that this casinos know what they are doing for sure, they know that asking new registrants to pass KYC verification immediately after registration before they are allowed to deposit or play on the casino will definitely keep some potential users of that casino away, So they just allow gamblers to sign up, deposit and gamble, lose and win, but at the instance when the gambler wants to withdraw their winning, at this point, the casino owners know that the gambler would do anything to have his or her money, they would then ask for KYC..
Things should never be this way, Casinos should learn to add some good conduct to their principles. 

I perfectly understand from what motives the casino appears such an algorithm of actions, but I don’t understand why they have been allowed to do this until now? For example, I remember how I registered with PayPal and Ebay. They took my whole soul out of me before I could do anything and manage some money/goods. And then in the process of work there was constant control (I want to note this rather unpleasantly). And at the same time, users can do whatever they want in the casino, and KYCs questions appear only after they are about to withdraw their winnings lol.

[Saint-loup]

One fairly common complain among gamblers is they are allowed to make a deposit at casinos and lose their money without any issue, but if they happen to win and they want to make a withdrawal then they are hit with a KYC request almost immediately, Tonybet a fiat Estonian casino was fined more than 400,000 pounds for this practice and it seems the regulators are now interested in making reforms to the laws and force casinos to also make checks on those gamblers which have lost a lot of money.

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/18/tonybet-fined-regulator-online-betting-id-checks-terms

"Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?" I don't really understand your question, why do you ask "or"? We can't think it will harm their finance AND/BUT it's ok if those scammy casinos are fined, lose their licenses and are banned from countries which take care of their citizens? AFAIK the casino you advertise is well known for doing this kind of things despite its UK license. I wonder what UK regulators will say about them now?

[Blawpaw]

One fairly common complain among gamblers is they are allowed to make a deposit at casinos and lose their money without any issue, but if they happen to win and they want to make a withdrawal then they are hit with a KYC request almost immediately, Tonybet a fiat Estonian casino was fined more than 400,000 pounds for this practice and it seems the regulators are now interested in making reforms to the laws and force casinos to also make checks on those gamblers which have lost a lot of money.

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/18/tonybet-fined-regulator-online-betting-id-checks-terms

This was very predictable. If you think about it, kyc is not only to know your customer but as it is to control the Casino itself. In this case, they were only doing KYC to customers trying to withdraw so, with this they would only declare what they were losing and not what they were earning. reason for this is that if a gambler does not try to withdraw he will not be asked for kyc so they will not count with the losing players who actually are the ones giving profits to the casino.

[robelneo]

One fairly common complain among gamblers is they are allowed to make a deposit at casinos and lose their money without any issue, but if they happen to win and they want to make a withdrawal then they are hit with a KYC request almost immediately, Tonybet a fiat Estonian casino was fined more than 400,000 pounds for this practice and it seems the regulators are now interested in making reforms to the laws and force casinos to also make checks on those gamblers which have lost a lot of money.

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/18/tonybet-fined-regulator-online-betting-id-checks-terms

I support and agree with the move and idea, if players win a big amount and players lose a big amount, they are on the same boat and they spent big money so its just right in name of transparency and compliance that they ask KYC if they have it in their terms, so many casinos are just asking KYC when you win or when you lose, it should be on the money they wagered.
But the big question is can they fully implement it can they apply it to all casinos although the idea is good, implementation is another thing unless the license issuer stated it that way.

[harizen]

But the big question is can they fully implement it can they apply it to all casinos although the idea is good, implementation is another thing unless the license issuer stated it that way.

If referring to fiat casinos, yes that can be fully implemented since these casinos are under the country's main gambling authority.

If referring to crypto casinos, that might only be fully implemented in those big casinos that have no choice but to accept the regulation. There are also decentralized gambling sites that obviously, won't be part of that.

More importantly, regardless if there's KYC or not, don't test the waters on unknown gambling sites. Better to comply with KYC than face the risks at those.

[Fatunad]

But the big question is can they fully implement it can they apply it to all casinos although the idea is good, implementation is another thing unless the license issuer stated it that way.

If referring to fiat casinos, yes that can be fully implemented since these casinos are under the country's main gambling authority.

If referring to crypto casinos, that might only be fully implemented in those big casinos that have no choice but to accept the regulation. There are also decentralized gambling sites that obviously, won't be part of that.

More importantly, regardless if there's KYC or not, don't test the waters on unknown gambling sites. Better to comply with KYC than face the risks at those.

Why people are really that making it as a big issue about exposing off their identities which considering that we've been long time submitting our info into those services and other things dealing in real life?
It doesnt really make sense though, myself wont really be bothered on submitting info as long i would be seeing that it would be something you could really trust on.KYC is getting stricter and
becomes wider on which even crypto related services and platforms is no really exception into that which we should really gradually expecting the reality that we are dealing
of with.

[Zlantann]

One fairly common complain among gamblers is they are allowed to make a deposit at casinos and lose their money without any issue, but if they happen to win and they want to make a withdrawal then they are hit with a KYC request almost immediately, Tonybet a fiat Estonian casino was fined more than 400,000 pounds for this practice and it seems the regulators are now interested in making reforms to the laws and force casinos to also make checks on those gamblers which have lost a lot of money.

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/18/tonybet-fined-regulator-online-betting-id-checks-terms

I support and agree with the move and idea, if players win a big amount and players lose a big amount, they are on the same boat and they spent big money so its just right in name of transparency and compliance that they ask KYC if they have it in their terms, so many casinos are just asking KYC when you win or when you lose, it should be on the money they wagered.
But the big question is can they fully implement it can they apply it to all casinos although the idea is good, implementation is another thing unless the license issuer stated it that way.

I also support the fine imposed on the Estonian casino or gambling company because this is a double standard. The same requirement used to deposit funds should also be what is needed for withdrawals. It seems the government is getting so much complaints as regards this bad practice and they feel it is necessary to take action.

But it is also important for gamblers to read the Tos of these gambling firms because it might be an evidence for or against the person. This is because some of these firms have different rules for deposit and withdrawal and these regulations are sometimes hidden in the terms of service. You can gladly refer to the rules of the casino company if you feel they are going against their own rules.

[Obari]

If we players can actually stay true to ourselves we'll understand that one of the only way the casino can stay in balance with regulatory bodies asking for KYC and gamblers not winning to do KYC and the casino wanting to stay in business is the fact that KYC should be with a triggered point and one of the points a KYC should be triggered is upon withdrawal but not just withdrawal but withdrawal above certain amount like $1k and any amount below such shouldn't have to trigger a KYC.
If gamblers could easily and willingly ready to do KYC, I wouldn't think there would have been any major issues with KYC and we should also understand that casinos is another man's business and being happy seeing them been fined over some irrelevant issues isn't fair.

[traderethereum]

If we players can actually stay true to ourselves we'll understand that one of the only way the casino can stay in balance with regulatory bodies asking for KYC and gamblers not winning to do KYC and the casino wanting to stay in business is the fact that KYC should be with a triggered point and one of the points a KYC should be triggered is upon withdrawal but not just withdrawal but withdrawal above certain amount like $1k and any amount below such shouldn't have to trigger a KYC.
If gamblers could easily and willingly ready to do KYC, I wouldn't think there would have been any major issues with KYC and we should also understand that casinos is another man's business and being happy seeing them been fined over some irrelevant issues isn't fair.

It will depend on each gambler because many gamblers don't do KYC because they want to withdraw their winnings but the casino insists on asking the winner to do KYC.
And the casino is aware of this and does not try to apply KYC to the winner if the casino has limits on the amount of winning the money they can withdraw without having to do KYC.
But most casinos make that rule to the winners and it makes a lot of winners who have already won the game and want their winning money to be upset.
If there are such regulations in crypto casinos, surely the casinos will have to evaluate their regulations and may need to add other things related to regulations from those regulators.

[rodskee]

One fairly common complain among gamblers is they are allowed to make a deposit at casinos and lose their money without any issue, but if they happen to win and they want to make a withdrawal then they are hit with a KYC request almost immediately, Tonybet a fiat Estonian casino was fined more than 400,000 pounds for this practice and it seems the regulators are now interested in making reforms to the laws and force casinos to also make checks on those gamblers which have lost a lot of money.

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/18/tonybet-fined-regulator-online-betting-id-checks-terms

this will let other casino to open their eyes and never to abused their power over gamblers that trusted them in depositing and losing but once get to win they are taking this measure for a chance of not complying so they need nothing to pay them as they also knew that mostly gamblers online hates KYC verifications.

[klidex]

One fairly common complain among gamblers is they are allowed to make a deposit at casinos and lose their money without any issue, but if they happen to win and they want to make a withdrawal then they are hit with a KYC request almost immediately, Tonybet a fiat Estonian casino was fined more than 400,000 pounds for this practice and it seems the regulators are now interested in making reforms to the laws and force casinos to also make checks on those gamblers which have lost a lot of money.

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/18/tonybet-fined-regulator-online-betting-id-checks-terms

It's possible for a casino to ask for KYC when a user wins a game or bet that is big enough and wants to make a withdrawal because the casino doesn't want negative things to happen, for example when a win is won from playing unfairly or cheating has been in the casino.
Even though we really don't know what the real intentions and goals of the casino are asking for KYC only when making a withdrawal of a large enough amount.
If KYC is requested at the time of deposit it is clear that the casino does not want users who register and make deposit transactions to use or be involved in cases of embezzlement or money laundering which can drag the name of the casino into the case that is currently happening to the user.
I think there are not a few casinos that ask for KYC only when making a withdrawal and this needs to be fixed again. If KYC is on the surface, it's better to ask for it at the beginning when making a registration or first deposit.

[wiss19]

Not all casinos are like that (the way you describe it) but there are some casinos who already mandate KYC in the beginning and then there are also casinos who only ask a KYC for the withdrawals who are really huge.

It's also the fault of the user. They won't be shocked and complain about this matter if only they are not lazy and knows how to read the terms and condition of the online casino that they will use. That new bill they are trying to pass seems positive for those who don't like the idea of surprise KYC but I think this was very alarming if this hit the crypto casino. Many of them are surely going to be discouraged to operate. We should be careful what we wish for.

[hilariousetc]

This shouldn't be standard practice and actually think it's quite shady as it gives you them an out if someone wins big and you then have an easy excuse not to pay them. I know most bitcoin gambling sites operate in a grey area and many pick and chose what they comply with but they shouldn't let you play at all if they're only going to ask for verification later. I think it's fine for further verification if you suspect something is amiss but not if that's the first time you've been asked to do it. A lot of people probably won't even use a real name if they even ask for one in the first place so that alone could lead to issues down the line.

I have a feeling this is argued as something that happens in normal casinos so its fine to do online but I doubt that actually works out law wise (eg we can only hold £100,000 in our casino and need to bank transfer/cheque for higher).

I'm surprised it's taken them this long to consider it illegal though and something worth investigating (perhaps it's just that a case has only now been brought against them).

This doesn't happen in the UK. You have to verify before you can use them which should be the way. Might not be the case in casinos on the street but it is online.

[maydna]

Not all casinos are like that (the way you describe it) but there are some casinos who already mandate KYC in the beginning and then there are also casinos who only ask a KYC for the withdrawals who are really huge.

It's also the fault of the user. They won't be shocked and complain about this matter if only they are not lazy and knows how to read the terms and condition of the online casino that they will use. That new bill they are trying to pass seems positive for those who don't like the idea of surprise KYC but I think this was very alarming if this hit the crypto casino. Many of them are surely going to be discouraged to operate. We should be careful what we wish for.

Many gamblers think that online casino terms and conditions are the same between one casino and another. That is why many eventually find out that casinos have terms and conditions, one of which is about doing KYC at registration or when you want to make a large withdrawal. .

The casinos may be discouraged from operating, especially for casinos that often deceive their users by not paying their winnings for various reasons. This KYC issue is a serious problem for crypto gamblers because we don't want to reveal our identity to any site. But we also can't do anything if the terms and conditions of the casino are like that and we can only look for casinos that are not too strict in carrying out their rules.

[BigBos]

One fairly common complain among gamblers is they are allowed to make a deposit at casinos and lose their money without any issue, but if they happen to win and they want to make a withdrawal then they are hit with a KYC request almost immediately, Tonybet a fiat Estonian casino was fined more than 400,000 pounds for this practice and it seems the regulators are now interested in making reforms to the laws and force casinos to also make checks on those gamblers which have lost a lot of money.

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/18/tonybet-fined-regulator-online-betting-id-checks-terms

I'm not sure about the security of personal data if KYC is needed for that, and in my opinion this policy carried out by gambling sites is unfair, people who have lost their money on the site do not apply anything, but lucky people win in the gambling then when you want to withdraw the money is subject to the conditions that you have to do KYC, it's as if the bookies are not willing to give the money that the gambler makes without the winner providing the data, in my opinion that's unfair.

I myself do not agree if KYC is applied to all gambling sites, especially gambling with crypto currency because I think email and cellphone numbers are enough.
If that is the case, regulations must be set to provide a middle ground for gamblers and gambling owners in UK.

[madnessteat]

^

If you study the field of selling anonymized data, you will understand that if a person uses Google, and in principle the rest of the services on the Internet, so much information has already been collected on you that it is easy to determine who you are and where you come from. If someone really needs it, he can easily buy all of your data, down to passport, phone number, bank accounts even if you never passed KYC in a cryptocurrency casino.

So the question arises, if there is any point in saving information that can already be purchased?

[YOSHIE]

Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Tonybet's actions are not much different from the online gambling industry in general, KYC is a surefire trick for gambling companies, to reason with the aim of not wanting to pay winning users, disclaiming responsibility to users who bet, strange, every year the company takes money from users who bet hundreds of dollars, it doesn't matter, but it's the user's turn to win, reason with a thousand reasons, ridiculous, KYC, the most effective trick.

I agree with the government's action of imposing some super strict requirements on online gambling companies operating in their territory, requirements for gambling operators, will provide a deterrent effect for other online casinos, what Tonybet is doing is a strong warning to other gambling companies, in protecting users who bet and win at gambling companies in the region.

[ultrloa]

Good idea to implement that since several casino claims that they are Kyc free but in the end once their player win a huge prize they ask KYC and tell that this is for verification purposes. This case is totally insane since in the first place they are the one claims that their gamblers don't need to submit their id but in the end they are been deceived by this greedy casinos. That's why somehow its good to pass the law and required every player to do Kyc first since we can avoid further problems for providing it immediately and casino might not get any excuse to delay our winnings.

[Silberman]

If we players can actually stay true to ourselves we'll understand that one of the only way the casino can stay in balance with regulatory bodies asking for KYC and gamblers not winning to do KYC and the casino wanting to stay in business is the fact that KYC should be with a triggered point and one of the points a KYC should be triggered is upon withdrawal but not just withdrawal but withdrawal above certain amount like $1k and any amount below such shouldn't have to trigger a KYC.
If gamblers could easily and willingly ready to do KYC, I wouldn't think there would have been any major issues with KYC and we should also understand that casinos is another man's business and being happy seeing them been fined over some irrelevant issues isn't fair.

I agree with the idea that KYC should be triggered at a certain point, like when a withdrawal is above a certain amount like $1k. This can help balance the needs of the casino to stay in compliance with regulatory bodies while also protecting the privacy of the gambler.

However, it's important to consider that not all players may be comfortable sharing their personal information with a casino. Some may have valid reasons for wanting to keep their identity hidden, such as privacy concerns or fear of fraud. In these cases, it's important for the casino to have alternative methods in place to verify the player's identity, such as through a third-party service. This way, players can still enjoy the benefits of gambling while also maintaining their privacy.

But if this is how things worked then another point of failure will exist, the more services have your data the higher the risk that at some point your data will be exposed, so while this may seem like a good idea once you put it into practice it will increase the risk we are already confronting, so as we can see there are not easy solutions when it comes to try to balance the needs of the casino as they are forced to implement identity checks by the governments and the wants gamblers have of being able to gamble without having to go through those checks.

[Oceat]

Good idea to implement that since several casino claims that they are Kyc free but in the end once their player win a huge prize they ask KYC and tell that this is for verification purposes. This case is totally insane since in the first place they are the one claims that their gamblers don't need to submit their id but in the end they are been deceived by this greedy casinos. That's why somehow its good to pass the law and required every player to do Kyc first since we can avoid further problems for providing it immediately and casino might not get any excuse to delay our winnings.

I totally agree with that since it's a common practice among on all online casino therefore no one is safe when someone would win a jackpot on a certain casino. They would all face the same tactics as what these casinos been doing for years to avoid giving the jackpot prize to their winner.

I hope this will be implemented in all of the online casino all over the world to avoid further damage to the future winners. These tactics has been used for so many years by the casinos yet it took their government too long to recognize the problem. Perhaps, someone who did win wasn't just somebody that they can easily be played with their KYC tactics.

[Cryptomultiplier]

I have always thought KYC was a requirement for signing up with a casino. Stories I have read on this subject matter disapproves with the fact that what we thought was free in the beginning and enticed us to join, suddenly turns around and bites us. It is part of the coy or gimmick employed to lure in those looking for freebies.
With the UK government stepping up to redeem those who have won big from being cornered by these casinos with the excuse of KYC, gamblers and other users would be sure to join more casinos and fulfil any verification at the beginning to avoid hassles once it is time to collect winnings.

[dothebeats]

Good idea to implement that since several casino claims that they are Kyc free but in the end once their player win a huge prize they ask KYC and tell that this is for verification purposes. This case is totally insane since in the first place they are the one claims that their gamblers don't need to submit their id but in the end they are been deceived by this greedy casinos. That's why somehow its good to pass the law and required every player to do Kyc first since we can avoid further problems for providing it immediately and casino might not get any excuse to delay our winnings.

In crypto casinos, they are requiring basic KYCs for most of the platforms that I've signed up with. Level 2 verification only occurs when there are problems detected on your account that the casino thinks you're cheating the system, or you just won big and, for KYC/AML compliance, they need to do further verification of who you really are. For that online casino that the government fined, they are obviously not complying with KYC/AML regulations, hence why they received the fine in the first place. Delaying winnings are totally not okay, and asking for KYC only after someone wins is totally fishy because that is already a breach of what the regulation on KYC/AML states.

[KTChampions]

In crypto casinos, they are requiring basic KYCs for most of the platforms that I've signed up with. Level 2 verification only occurs when there are problems detected on your account that the casino thinks you're cheating the system, or you just won big and, for KYC/AML compliance, they need to do further verification of who you really are. For that online casino that the government fined, they are obviously not complying with KYC/AML regulations, hence why they received the fine in the first place. Delaying winnings are totally not okay, and asking for KYC only after someone wins is totally fishy because that is already a breach of what the regulation on KYC/AML states.

It's rather funny that the payment of a big win without the player going through the KYC procedure can turn into problems for the casino - they can get charged with money laundering. In this case, it is not clear why they do not force the passage of this procedure for all players (even in the process of actively using the casino service), but wait for someone to win big and request a withdrawal of the winnings.

[erep]

In crypto casinos, they are requiring basic KYCs for most of the platforms that I've signed up with. Level 2 verification only occurs when there are problems detected on your account that the casino thinks you're cheating the system, or you just won big and, for KYC/AML compliance, they need to do further verification of who you really are. For that online casino that the government fined, they are obviously not complying with KYC/AML regulations, hence why they received the fine in the first place. Delaying winnings are totally not okay, and asking for KYC only after someone wins is totally fishy because that is already a breach of what the regulation on KYC/AML states.

Many casinos take advantage of level 2 verification to the detriment of users and that's why it's better not to avoid KYC early than you can't apply for a withdrawal after a big win because actually there is no casino that really doesn't require KYC for licensed casinos, I hope the government checks some other casinos with the same case, this effort will reduce casinos to cheat gamblers.

[ryzaadit]

Work for "Landbase" and you have money to sue them.

But, while you're playing in online-casino you're just trying to accepted the hardest document they ask and most the time the people who are getting ask for several document not just "ID" cannot provided the document they ask.

Then, they decide only can make a forum thread. We don't have money to sue or resource.

[Fatunad]

In crypto casinos, they are requiring basic KYCs for most of the platforms that I've signed up with. Level 2 verification only occurs when there are problems detected on your account that the casino thinks you're cheating the system, or you just won big and, for KYC/AML compliance, they need to do further verification of who you really are. For that online casino that the government fined, they are obviously not complying with KYC/AML regulations, hence why they received the fine in the first place. Delaying winnings are totally not okay, and asking for KYC only after someone wins is totally fishy because that is already a breach of what the regulation on KYC/AML states.

It's rather funny that the payment of a big win without the player going through the KYC procedure can turn into problems for the casino - they can get charged with money laundering. In this case, it is not clear why they do not force the passage of this procedure for all players (even in the process of actively using the casino service), but wait for someone to win big and request a withdrawal of the winnings.

We dont know on what are the agreements or laws or regulations that had been imposed into them by the government which they are really trying out to impose in towards the players.We dont know but since they are
really that regulated which it would really be that understandable that they are really following some protocols.The thing on here is that we dont know if they are really that real on following some orders or just simply
trying out to make this as an alibi just because they dont really like to pay up winners or trying out to hold them out and making use of these verification methods just to make things
getting delayed or wont really be able to pay at all.

[len01]

Many casinos take advantage of level 2 verification to the detriment of users and that's why it's better not to avoid KYC early than you can't apply for a withdrawal after a big win because actually there is no casino that really doesn't require KYC for licensed casinos, I hope the government checks some other casinos with the same case, this effort will reduce casinos to cheat gamblers.

but sometimes gamblers ignore such thoughts to do KYC earlier. usually gamblers think too early if they can't win big at least they will only win under $ 1000 and they are lazy to do KYC early.
even though we don't know luck can come at any time when we don't do KYC earlier and actually get a big win over 10k. and after that the gambler is asked to verify KYC and wait for a very long process or it may be banned for all reasons by the casino.
I also did this when registering on the online casino platform. I immediately chose to do KYC earlier than it would be complicated later when I wanted to withdraw large funds.

[avp2306]

Many casinos take advantage of level 2 verification to the detriment of users and that's why it's better not to avoid KYC early than you can't apply for a withdrawal after a big win because actually there is no casino that really doesn't require KYC for licensed casinos, I hope the government checks some other casinos with the same case, this effort will reduce casinos to cheat gamblers.

but sometimes gamblers ignore such thoughts to do KYC earlier. usually gamblers think too early if they can't win big at least they will only win under $ 1000 and they are lazy to do KYC early.
even though we don't know luck can come at any time when we don't do KYC earlier and actually get a big win over 10k. and after that the gambler is asked to verify KYC and wait for a very long process or it may be banned for all reasons by the casino.
I also did this when registering on the online casino platform. I immediately chose to do KYC earlier than it would be complicated later when I wanted to withdraw large funds.

Not a valid excuse for them to miss out the KYC happening on the casino so they really need to know how this feature implemented so that they not get surprised if the casino ask an important details to them. If they missed to follow those updates then its their fault because they don't read the TOS which is important before starting to register and play to those casinos.

[ethereumhunter]

Many casinos take advantage of level 2 verification to the detriment of users and that's why it's better not to avoid KYC early than you can't apply for a withdrawal after a big win because actually there is no casino that really doesn't require KYC for licensed casinos, I hope the government checks some other casinos with the same case, this effort will reduce casinos to cheat gamblers.

but sometimes gamblers ignore such thoughts to do KYC earlier. usually gamblers think too early if they can't win big at least they will only win under $ 1000 and they are lazy to do KYC early.
even though we don't know luck can come at any time when we don't do KYC earlier and actually get a big win over 10k. and after that the gambler is asked to verify KYC and wait for a very long process or it may be banned for all reasons by the casino.
I also did this when registering on the online casino platform. I immediately chose to do KYC earlier than it would be complicated later when I wanted to withdraw large funds.

Not a valid excuse for them to miss out the KYC happening on the casino so they really need to know how this feature implemented so that they not get surprised if the casino ask an important details to them. If they missed to follow those updates then its their fault because they don't read the TOS which is important before starting to register and play to those casinos.

Everyone must have thought about this KYC to know what to do when registering at other casinos. It's okay if they don't want to do KYC, but they should be able to limit their deposit amount so it doesn't get so big that they don't need to do KYC. The casino will look at our account track record and if they see that we don't gamble too often and only gamble using small amounts of money, maybe they won't ask us to do KYC. We must be aware of it so that we will not get things beyond our thinking.

[Finestream]

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

For KYC casinos, it would be good if people that are signing up should do KYC before they can deposit.

It is a very good idea but it would be good for punters to always read casino ToS before they register and they should provide necessary documents for KYC, they should do KYC before they deposit.

Many gambling sites are doing this to cheat their customers, it is common everywhere.

Yes, KYC should be done before deposits and not only in time of withdrawals so that it will create more transparency on the part of gamblers. And casinos should also be responsible to do that so that there will no upcoming issues that they only require KYC when winning a huge amount as to give the bettor a hard time to claim what he had won.

[FatFork]

It's rather funny that the payment of a big win without the player going through the KYC procedure can turn into problems for the casino - they can get charged with money laundering. In this case, it is not clear why they do not force the passage of this procedure for all players (even in the process of actively using the casino service), but wait for someone to win big and request a withdrawal of the winnings.

Yeah, it's pretty ironic that a big win for a player can actually cause problems for the casino. 
But I guess they don't want to discourage players by making them go through the KYC process before they even start playing. It makes sense that they would want to attract new players by making it easier for them to deposit and play. Plus, they probably figure they'll catch any potential money launderers when they try to withdraw their winnings. However, I do think that there should be some sort of standard process in place for this.

[Kasabus]

Almost every gambling platform does this and they never find it a serious issue, as they never look from the user end. It is good to allow deposits only after KYC verification. We users of different online casinos might've experienced it, but the support teams easily give a solution as the platforms doesn't want to degrade the reputation of the platform.

The competence in the gambling industry paves path for the success and give the best comfort for gamblers.

KYC should be introduced at the start so that gamblers will know eventually whether it’s good to proceed betting or find some other casinos that don’t require KYC. However, if you look for reputable casinos these days particularly online, most of them are requiring KYC but the sad fact is they only ask KYC when gamblers are winning huge amount, so that creates nontransparency on the part of gamblers.

[KTChampions]

It's rather funny that the payment of a big win without the player going through the KYC procedure can turn into problems for the casino - they can get charged with money laundering. In this case, it is not clear why they do not force the passage of this procedure for all players (even in the process of actively using the casino service), but wait for someone to win big and request a withdrawal of the winnings.

We dont know on what are the agreements or laws or regulations that had been imposed into them by the government which they are really trying out to impose in towards the players.We dont know but since they are
really that regulated which it would really be that understandable that they are really following some protocols.The thing on here is that we dont know if they are really that real on following some orders or just simply
trying out to make this as an alibi just because they dont really like to pay up winners or trying out to hold them out and making use of these verification methods just to make things
getting delayed or wont really be able to pay at all.

In fact, it seems to me that everything is simple, even if we do not know any nuances (each country has its own characteristics). If the casino is regulated, then the KYC is inevitable, and when the casino asks the player to go through this procedure, this is understandable. If the casino is unregulated, then the request to go through KYC immediately indicates the murky intentions of the casino, since there is not a single reason to go through KYC in an unregulated casino.

[Wakate]

One fairly common complain among gamblers is they are allowed to make a deposit at casinos and lose their money without any issue, but if they happen to win and they want to make a withdrawal then they are hit with a KYC request almost immediately, Tonybet a fiat Estonian casino was fined more than 400,000 pounds for this practice and it seems the regulators are now interested in making reforms to the laws and force casinos to also make checks on those gamblers which have lost a lot of money.

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/18/tonybet-fined-regulator-online-betting-id-checks-terms

Any casino that choose the wrong approach rather what they ought to do, they need to be fined so that others can learn too from such wrong practice. We used to see such kind of development in many casinos that don't want to pay users there funds looking for other ways to restrict them from getting paid like verifying there age limit to know when they are underage or fit to bet.

The problem most time is that those casinos do not always ask you for KYC when you are signing up but they will want to ask you once they find out that you had huge winning which is a bad ethics.

[crzy]

It's rather funny that the payment of a big win without the player going through the KYC procedure can turn into problems for the casino - they can get charged with money laundering. In this case, it is not clear why they do not force the passage of this procedure for all players (even in the process of actively using the casino service), but wait for someone to win big and request a withdrawal of the winnings.

Yeah, it's pretty ironic that a big win for a player can actually cause problems for the casino.  
But I guess they don't want to discourage players by making them go through the KYC process before they even start playing. It makes sense that they would want to attract new players by making it easier for them to deposit and play. Plus, they probably figure they'll catch any potential money launderers when they try to withdraw their winnings. However, I do think that there should be some sort of standard process in place for this.

This process is not acceptable as per the result of the investigation and that’s why they are being fined by the authority, most probably they are into something. This strategy might help attract more players since its a KYC free during the registration but the moment you start withdrawing your winnings despite that its really a pure result from your gambling activities, they will start asking for your KYC which is not ok at all especially if the money that you are going to withdraw is from your winnings.

[Viscore]

It's going to be the norm of being asked for KYC I believed, so you should be ready when one casino will ask you to do that. I guess it's the question of practice though, as the OP mentioned, it's only when the bettors won big that suddenly the casino will ask you to submit info. And when you comply, still, there are suspicious and then you might not get your winnings, hence there is a scam accusations against the casino itself. So it's better to ask for KYC in the beginning for me, and not get gamblers info false idea that they won't be getting KYC'ed.

Probably that would the best way so that gamblers will also not in trouble getting their won amount as they have endure a lot of losses first before they can come up with a positive outcome, so they also be given the best experience they could ever have. And for casinos, although some gamblers are used to it that they will only ask KYC in times of winnings, but KYC should be fixed now and it should be asked before deposits take place.

[chaser15]

but KYC should be fixed now and it should be asked before deposits take place.

I'm totally not in favor of that if we talk about crypto-casinos. The current setup of some crypto-casinos today where there is part of the Terms and Service that KYC might be asked during a certain condition is already enough. I found it not comfortable if KYC will be asked before deposits take place where in fact, it's not necessary if we talked about crypto-casinos.

What if we just want to try the site? We will comply with KYC that just easy? I will not be interested in that crypto-casino if that's their setup.

Again, this response of mine is referring to only crypto-casinos.

[Distinctin]

In crypto casinos, they are requiring basic KYCs for most of the platforms that I've signed up with. Level 2 verification only occurs when there are problems detected on your account that the casino thinks you're cheating the system, or you just won big and, for KYC/AML compliance, they need to do further verification of who you really are. For that online casino that the government fined, they are obviously not complying with KYC/AML regulations, hence why they received the fine in the first place. Delaying winnings are totally not okay, and asking for KYC only after someone wins is totally fishy because that is already a breach of what the regulation on KYC/AML states.

It's rather funny that the payment of a big win without the player going through the KYC procedure can turn into problems for the casino - they can get charged with money laundering. In this case, it is not clear why they do not force the passage of this procedure for all players (even in the process of actively using the casino service), but wait for someone to win big and request a withdrawal of the winnings.

Some gamblers have been used to this already that they are expected to submit KYC whenever they are in a huge prize winning, while others find it that the casino itself has its dark agenda because they suddenly ask for KYC when it’s not even required before they started betting. So to avoid trouble like this, I think casinos should be clear on their policies and let KYC a mandatory for all gamblers before they start making deposits.

[maydna]

It's going to be the norm of being asked for KYC I believed, so you should be ready when one casino will ask you to do that. I guess it's the question of practice though, as the OP mentioned, it's only when the bettors won big that suddenly the casino will ask you to submit info. And when you comply, still, there are suspicious and then you might not get your winnings, hence there is a scam accusations against the casino itself. So it's better to ask for KYC in the beginning for me, and not get gamblers info false idea that they won't be getting KYC'ed.

Probably that would the best way so that gamblers will also not in trouble getting their won amount as they have endure a lot of losses first before they can come up with a positive outcome, so they also be given the best experience they could ever have. And for casinos, although some gamblers are used to it that they will only ask KYC in times of winnings, but KYC should be fixed now and it should be asked before deposits take place.

Hopefully, the casinos like that realize it and immediately change the rules in the first place and tell all the members that they have changed the rules so it won't take the members by surprise. This will also give confidence to its members because the casino can tell them something important so they can decide to stay in the casino or move to another casino. But if the casino doesn't make that change and still insists on asking their members to do KYC, maybe it's because of a decrease in the casino if they announce a change in the rules in their casino.

[harizen]

Why people are really that making it as a big issue about exposing off their identities which considering that we've been long time submitting our info into those services and other things dealing in real life?
It doesnt really make sense though, myself wont really be bothered on submitting info as long i would be seeing that it would be something you could really trust on.KYC is getting stricter and
becomes wider on which even crypto related services and platforms is no really exception into that which we should really gradually expecting the reality that we are dealing
of with.

It's because, for the majority of crypto-gamblers, crypto-gambling is not supposed to be that way. We can't blame these people as they are not really comfortable providing KYC that's why they consider gambling in crypto.

However, these people should at least accept the fact that crypto-casinos will eventually face full regulation as part of being a legal business.

I'm always vocal about accepting KYC-related terms and I'm fine at complying with KYC in crypto-gambling. But with the rise of new crypto-gambling sites that we just want to test the waters, do you consider complying with KYC at those right away?

[Cling18]

Why people are really that making it as a big issue about exposing off their identities which considering that we've been long time submitting our info into those services and other things dealing in real life?
It doesnt really make sense though, myself wont really be bothered on submitting info as long i would be seeing that it would be something you could really trust on.KYC is getting stricter and
becomes wider on which even crypto related services and platforms is no really exception into that which we should really gradually expecting the reality that we are dealing
of with.

It's because, for the majority of crypto-gamblers, crypto-gambling is not supposed to be that way. We can't blame these people as they are not really comfortable providing KYC that's why they consider gambling in crypto.

However, these people should at least accept the fact that crypto-casinos will eventually face full regulation as part of being a legal business.

I'm always vocal about accepting KYC-related terms and I'm fine at complying with KYC in crypto-gambling. But with the rise of new crypto-gambling sites that we just want to test the waters, do you consider complying with KYC at those right away?

Some people have chosen crypto gambling because they prefer to keep their identities in private and they don't want to expose their identities for some reason. If they will just keep in mind that complying with the KYC is no big deal then they won't make it a big issue. They Shouldn't fear KYC anymore because most casinos nowadays require it. It's also for our own safety and so far, I haven't heard any bad feedback about KYCs.

[Oshosondy]

Some people have chosen crypto gambling because they prefer to keep their identities in private and they don't want to expose their identities for some reason. If they will just keep in mind that complying with the KYC is no big deal then they won't make it a big issue. They Shouldn't fear KYC anymore because most casinos nowadays require it. It's also for our own safety and so far, I haven't heard any bad feedback about KYCs.

It is true that some people want to gamble and also want to have privacy, but casinos too now centralized casinos, they can make anyone to do KYC at anytime, people need to change that type of no KYC thinking, even when there are still some casinos that you may not provide KYC documents beige you will withdraw.

KYC is not for the safety of users. Because you do KYC for your gambling site account, it does not mean your account is safe or that you can not be scammed, you can still be scammed if you do not practice safety and security measures. KYC is for regulation purposes, not for the safety of users.

[ethereumhunter]

Why people are really that making it as a big issue about exposing off their identities which considering that we've been long time submitting our info into those services and other things dealing in real life?
It doesnt really make sense though, myself wont really be bothered on submitting info as long i would be seeing that it would be something you could really trust on.KYC is getting stricter and
becomes wider on which even crypto related services and platforms is no really exception into that which we should really gradually expecting the reality that we are dealing
of with.

It's because, for the majority of crypto-gamblers, crypto-gambling is not supposed to be that way. We can't blame these people as they are not really comfortable providing KYC that's why they consider gambling in crypto.

However, these people should at least accept the fact that crypto-casinos will eventually face full regulation as part of being a legal business.

I'm always vocal about accepting KYC-related terms and I'm fine at complying with KYC in crypto-gambling. But with the rise of new crypto-gambling sites that we just want to test the waters, do you consider complying with KYC at those right away?

Some people have chosen crypto gambling because they prefer to keep their identities in private and they don't want to expose their identities for some reason. If they will just keep in mind that complying with the KYC is no big deal then they won't make it a big issue. They Shouldn't fear KYC anymore because most casinos nowadays require it. It's also for our own safety and so far, I haven't heard any bad feedback about KYCs.

The KYC problem is now a burden for some crypto gamblers because those not required to do it are now asked to do it by casinos, especially if they win big and want to withdraw the winnings. Even though a few years ago, casinos didn't pay much attention to this, but because regulators seem to see how online casinos are developing, especially crypto casinos so far, regulators feel the need to know which gamblers use crypto to gamble.

As long as the casino can maintain the identity of all its customers who have done KYC well, crypto gamblers are also willing to do KYC. But the problem is that problems arise, such as identity abuse or buying and selling of identities on the black market. This is what makes crypto gamblers very worried if the casino gets hacked and steals all identities in the casino.

[Silberman]

Some people have chosen crypto gambling because they prefer to keep their identities in private and they don't want to expose their identities for some reason. If they will just keep in mind that complying with the KYC is no big deal then they won't make it a big issue. They Shouldn't fear KYC anymore because most casinos nowadays require it. It's also for our own safety and so far, I haven't heard any bad feedback about KYCs.

It is true that some people want to gamble and also want to have privacy, but casinos too now centralized casinos, they can make anyone to do KYC at anytime, people need to change that type of no KYC thinking, even when there are still some casinos that you may not provide KYC documents beige you will withdraw.

KYC is not for the safety of users. Because you do KYC for your gambling site account, it does not mean your account is safe or that you can not be scammed, you can still be scammed if you do not practice safety and security measures. KYC is for regulation purposes, not for the safety of users.

Yes, but it is why people are complaining about the unfairness of the situation, many gamblers still want to retain their privacy and they are disappointed that they are asked this information only when they win, if they were asked this information from the get go it is likely they will never gamble at that casino, however taking into account the direction the new regulations are going, it would not surprise me if this was the case in just a few years.

I think the topic has been discussed at length already so I am closing the thread, thanks to all for your opinions.