Big money bad for bitcoin in the long run

[jossiel]

You cannot control volatility, whether we like it or not, it's there to stay forever and will move markets in the most unexpected ways that it can. I don't think that whether there is you call big or small money, they're all same.

They all end up inside the economy and circulates within it and thus, the market is living through it.

I understand that this is for all of us and we want it to be limited to us but bitcoin is for all, that's why it's free and we've got freedom. Institutions are gonna join no matter what happens and we've thought of it even before that someday they'll come and invest with us.

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[michellee]

Big money can move the market with supply and demand from traders trading, so this can make the price move. If there is only a small amount of money, the market will not move and the price can be stable until who knows when. With that big money, there will also be buyers and sellers who want to make a profit.

And if the market is bleeding out, big money will come into the market trying to lift the price back up to normal or even to a higher price point, and we have seen that happen at the last ATH. So the last person standing in the market can also benefit if he can take advantage of the market situation but most of the people in the market are just a bunch of panicked people seeing the price start to move up or down.

[Cryptomiles1]

It's same money that also drive high the bitcoin price, without liquidity I don't think anyone will find it pleasing to invest their money into crypto currency. So to me if you wanna engage yourself with buying of currencies then you should only look out to the reputable coin which you know after market drop or dip there will be possibility for those coin to get their feet back from where it's.

[Jatiluhung]

I think this is normal in the market. not even just in bitcoin or crypto market. In fact, everyone has the same opportunity, namely choosing to buy from a low price or waiting to buy when the price starts to rise. I think that the presence of the whales has brought quite a positive movement. for example if there is positive news about a large company informing them that they will start investing in bitcoin then of course the company will invest a large amount. and news like this will impact the confidence of small traders to come in. However, people who have intelligent fundamental analysis will of course buy without having to wait for big companies or whales to enter. This is the economic cycle that usually occurs in our daily lives.

[BigBos]

As bitcoin continues on its current bullish path, all kinds of people are trying to ride this wave by buying any cheap coins they can get their hands on as they anticipate the next High to come. But the scary part about this is that Big money is also flowing into the crypto economy that will push price to easily register new highs, but this comes at a price, when these whales decide to take out their money.. markets bleed red which is why Big money is not good if volatility is to be controlled. In the long run Bitcoin is better off without the Big money, otherwise this becomes like a pyramid scheme always leaving the last man standing with empty pockets as the first guy to make a move gets all the accumulated $$$$.

What's the community's take on this?

Volatility in the crypto market is normal because based on buying and selling and supply and demand for bitcoin, every retail and institutional investor or whale has the freedom to buy whatever bitcoin they want until the balance on the exchange runs out. people who want to buy.
Bullish and Bearish are cycles in bitcoin and they cannot be separated from the market, that's why bitcoin attracts the attention of investors to buy bitcoin and determine when to buy it.
You may understand why bitcoiners always say Buy the Dip and Hold, I personally see that as a signal for bitcoin investors.
The pyramid scheme is that if you are the last buyer, maybe you will lose money forever, unlike bitcoin, there will always be price recovery with cycles and you just have to wait for the recovery.

[KiaKia]

I have put a pause to buy any coins right now including Bitcoin, I am tempted to buy some but I don't see myself doing it, buying because the market is recovering is pretty bad, it's not as if there will never be any correction again it's better to wait for that correction because sooner or later it will happen, there is one thing I can assure you in this crypto space, volatility is inescapable.

[Inwestour]

I think this is normal in the market. not even just in bitcoin or crypto market. In fact, everyone has the same opportunity, namely choosing to buy from a low price or waiting to buy when the price starts to rise. I think that the presence of the whales has brought quite a positive movement. for example if there is positive news about a large company informing them that they will start investing in bitcoin then of course the company will invest a large amount. and news like this will impact the confidence of small traders to come in. However, people who have intelligent fundamental analysis will of course buy without having to wait for big companies or whales to enter. This is the economic cycle that usually occurs in our daily lives.

In the bear market, there were repeated cases when, after such purchases, the price of bitcoin and the market did not react in any way. In addition, there were cases when MicroStrategi bought bitcoins for a large amount and the price continued to fall after that. So there is no direct correlation in this.

I assume that the big players had to gain positions, this takes time and just this long flat may have been their final phase. And now that their goal has been achieved, growth has followed.

[aylabadia05]

What's the community's take on this?

There's nothing wrong with buying when it's cheap and selling when it's priced the way it is today is a trader's routine. If the positive trend continues, then those with a lot of money will endeavour to place orders at bargain or under prices. This is where the intelligence of market participants in capitalising on opportunities lies. I think that is market activity in accordance with the theory of buying and selling and such occurrences are normal.

For those who don't have a lot of money but have a positive view on Bitcoin for the next few years so they want to own Bitcoin, I think buying at the current price will also be done considering the current price is still very far from the past ATH price.

[Yatsan]

I have put a pause to buy any coins right now including Bitcoin, I am tempted to buy some but I don't see myself doing it, buying because the market is recovering is pretty bad, it's not as if there will never be any correction again it's better to wait for that correction because sooner or later it will happen, there is one thing I can assure you in this crypto space, volatility is inescapable.

Would be better. It will never be too late to invest. Enter once you are ready 'coz no matter how low you are able to enter the market, if you cannot withstand or endure the market price changes, no profit will be earned. The market value won't continuously increase therefore there will be intervals of downfall in each pump. You task as an investor is to ideally be able to hold and measure the risk of selling at a certain price point. Also investing more won't always determine bigger profit. It will depend on your decision making, capability as an investor, and circumstances you are going through ofcourse. Investment will always have its own risk and no such thing as easy profit exist.

[lionheart78]

As bitcoin continues on its current bullish path, all kinds of people are trying to ride this wave by buying any cheap coins they can get their hands on as they anticipate the next High to come. But the scary part about this is that Big money is also flowing into the crypto economy that will push price to easily register new highs,

Aren't we all wanted Bitcoin market to surge so that we can sell at a profit?  The higher the price the better it is.   But market always even out surges so it is normal for a surging market to have corrections.

but this comes at a price, when these whales decide to take out their money.. markets bleed red which is why Big money is not good if volatility is to be controlled. In the long run Bitcoin is better off without the Big money, otherwise this becomes like a pyramid scheme always leaving the last man standing with empty pockets as the first guy to make a move gets all the accumulated $$$$.

Volatility makes the market interesting and attract lots of speculators and investors.  A bleeding market gives opportunity for new comers to enter the market and at the same time traders to re-enter their position.  If the price of Bitcoin is ever increasing, I doubt people will participate again after they cashed out their profit.  This huge money entering and leaving somehow create a cyclic trend for Bitcoin and I believe it is good for the ecosystem since there is a point of entry, exit, and re-entry.

Bitcoin will never be a Ponzi scheme regardless big money enters or not.  Remember Bitcoin is not controlled by a company and it is in the open market, meaning the price is dictated by supply and demand.  If you label Bitcoin as a Ponzi scheme then even selling a pencil for a higher price to get profit can be considered Ponzi scheme and all those stocks too.

What's the community's take on this?

I don't think big money entering and leaving the Bitcoin market is a bad thing. Actually it makes the market more interesting and active.

[CryptounityCUT]

As bitcoin continues on its current bullish path, all kinds of people are trying to ride this wave by buying any cheap coins they can get their hands on as they anticipate the next High to come. But the scary part about this is that Big money is also flowing into the crypto economy that will push price to easily register new highs, but this comes at a price, when these whales decide to take out their money.. markets bleed red which is why Big money is not good if volatility is to be controlled. In the long run Bitcoin is better off without the Big money, otherwise this becomes like a pyramid scheme always leaving the last man standing with empty pockets as the first guy to make a move gets all the accumulated $$$$.

What's the community's take on this?

Well first of all big money will not enter until regulations are not clear, for now, the biggest players are CEX exchanges and mining companies. If you want to buy right now let's say 15000 bitcoins - I think you can't do it, why because there is no such amount on the market right now.

[SquallLeonhart]

As bitcoin continues on its current bullish path, all kinds of people are trying to ride this wave by buying any cheap coins they can get their hands on as they anticipate the next High to come. But the scary part about this is that Big money is also flowing into the crypto economy that will push price to easily register new highs,

Aren't we all wanted Bitcoin market to surge so that we can sell at a profit?  The higher the price the better it is.   But market always even out surges so it is normal for a surging market to have corrections.

I do not think that we all wanted it to go up so we can sell higher. Technically speaking that's true, but I am not really after it going up just a bit, I want to wait until it is at least x10 higher, probably even more before I sell. Which means that these small drops and increases do not matter to me.

It could go up 5k dollars today and it could go down 5k dollars and it would both be the same thing to me. Not because it means the same thing for the market, of course the market reacts differently, but it is the same thing to me personally. This is why we do not all want the same thing from bitcoin at the same time, we all want different things from it.

[AbuBhakar]

As bitcoin continues on its current bullish path, all kinds of people are trying to ride this wave by buying any cheap coins they can get their hands on as they anticipate the next High to come. But the scary part about this is that Big money is also flowing into the crypto economy that will push price to easily register new highs, but this comes at a price, when these whales decide to take out their money.. markets bleed red which is why Big money is not good if volatility is to be controlled. In the long run Bitcoin is better off without the Big money, otherwise this becomes like a pyramid scheme always leaving the last man standing with empty pockets as the first guy to make a move gets all the accumulated $$$$.

What's the community's take on this?

This is the natural scenario in trading even on stock market or crypto trading. Big money is not the problem but rather the hype without any solid reason is what makes this kind of rally a fake out. Big money from whales helps Bitcoin price to grow further. They will not take profit if they saw that the price is continuously increasing. Their exit will not be noticeable if new trader will enter to catch there position.

The only problem was when everyone panic and afraid to buy. Not only big money but also retail traders are the one who’s dumping the price hard.

[Merit.s]

The market price isn't affected by the buying and selling of btc by whales, It is being affected by demand and supply. If whales sell off,someone else might have bought their coins. What I understand is that trading must go on in the crpto market,either if bitcoin is in his bullish or bearish time. A whale sells and some other investor buys from the whale,bitcoin just keep on moving from one hand to the other depending whoever needs it as an assets. The crptomarket cannot be easily manipulated by the whales if every investor keeps their btc in their custody. Whales will hold at the bull market and sell at the bear,if am not mistaken

[noormcs5]

As bitcoin continues on its current bullish path, all kinds of people are trying to ride this wave by buying any cheap coins they can get their hands on as they anticipate the next High to come. But the scary part about this is that Big money is also flowing into the crypto economy that will push price to easily register new highs, but this comes at a price, when these whales decide to take out their money.. markets bleed red which is why Big money is not good if volatility is to be controlled. In the long run Bitcoin is better off without the Big money, otherwise this becomes like a pyramid scheme always leaving the last man standing with empty pockets as the first guy to make a move gets all the accumulated $$$$.

What's the community's take on this?

First do not think that  bitcoin is a pyramid scheme. And if you think that way, you can buy at the bottom and be the one who will take the profit when the prices are high.

I too agree that bitcoin volatility should be decreased but for that to happen, bitcoin needs to be divided among more people. As bitcoin adoption will increase, they will help to decrease the bitcoin price volatility.

[o48o]

As bitcoin continues on its current bullish path, all kinds of people are trying to ride this wave by buying any cheap coins they can get their hands on as they anticipate the next High to come. But the scary part about this is that Big money is also flowing into the crypto economy that will push price to easily register new highs, but this comes at a price, when these whales decide to take out their money.. markets bleed red which is why Big money is not good if volatility is to be controlled. In the long run Bitcoin is better off without the Big money, otherwise this becomes like a pyramid scheme always leaving the last man standing with empty pockets as the first guy to make a move gets all the accumulated $$$$.

What's the community's take on this?

That's how the markets work. But how do you define big money. Is it institutional, corporate or bitcoin whales?

And how this would be better without big money? It would be even more volatile without whale money, big enoough market makers as buy and sell walls were too thin causing insane wicks. We would get back to early days when all it needed was one rich enough guy to organize pump & dumps and manipulating the price.
No. Money is the thing keeping this running and keeping investors happy. Things were looking kinda bleak with small marketcaps. When just one anon dev could pump their coin to top marketcap and then rug it. We have been there. It wasn't better.

[Oceat]

Well, you decide whether it's bad for bitcoin when Elon Musk did sell off all of his BTC during the bull run but switched to altcoins. It did manage to make a huge drop of the price but it still manage to recover somehow. If all of these people like Elon Musk/Whales do the same method it will somehow drop the price but that's it with basic knowledge of economics you will surely know that they won't get the same amount on every BTC they have.

Bitcoin price will drop everytime when there's a buyout but I wonder who would take the loss when the price hit the ATH.

[jarrjarr]

As bitcoin continues on its current bullish path, all kinds of people are trying to ride this wave by buying any cheap coins they can get their hands on as they anticipate the next High to come. But the scary part about this is that Big money is also flowing into the crypto economy that will push price to easily register new highs, but this comes at a price, when these whales decide to take out their money.. markets bleed red which is why Big money is not good if volatility is to be controlled. In the long run Bitcoin is better off without the Big money, otherwise this becomes like a pyramid scheme always leaving the last man standing with empty pockets as the first guy to make a move gets all the accumulated $$$$.

What's the community's take on this?

The time to buy this shitcoin is long gone, whether big money comes in or leaves bitcoins is a whale play since a long fucking time. No retail buys this shit for 20k or more.

All the retail cares about is to make 5-10xes on their doggy coin and get out.

Unless you doing something illegal and want immutability there isnt even a point of taking profit into BTC cos this shit is:

Not a hedge against inflation

Not a store of value

Not a payment system


You can hate this all you want but that won't make it untrue.

[serjent05]

Well, you decide whether it's bad for bitcoin when Elon Musk did sell off all of his BTC during the bull run but switched to altcoins. It did manage to make a huge drop of the price but it still manage to recover somehow. If all of these people like Elon Musk/Whales do the same method it will somehow drop the price but that's it with basic knowledge of economics you will surely know that they won't get the same amount on every BTC they have.

The good thing about the huge drop in price is that we are able to buy Bitcoin at a discount, and those who wanted to enter the market can have more BTC since it is cheaper.  The huge drop in price is also used as a window for re-entry. So the moment big money leaves (some people selling and exiting) more people are able to come in ( new investors and re-entering traders.

Bitcoin price will drop everytime when there's a buyout but I wonder who would take the loss when the price hit the ATH.

Naive investors and those who were greatly affected by hype will enter the market at ATH, but I believe no one will lose unless they sell the BTC the moment the Bitcoin market plummets.

[JoyMarsha]

Bitcoin is an open-source investment strategy. Anybody can choose to invest how much he feels like, whether big or small money depending on the amount he can risk.

The influx of big money in bitcoin is what controls its volatility. By the way, any financial institute needs big money to control it, and so does our crypto investment.

The whales we have in crypto can't sell off their bitcoin at the same time. Some can sell, while others will choose to hodl more and acquire more until when they feel like selling theirs. Bitcoin investment is about hodling and selling on your own time(profit). Not minding whether it affects the market or not. Inasmuch I can say towards bitcoin investment, nobody will tend to hodl their bitcoin forever.