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January 28, 2023, 06:59:18 PM
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Outstanding! Your smart family members are gold to you. Luck and opportunity are part of success, but hard work is essential. Putting on your running shoes and being ready to go when chance calls is it. It makes you more determined to work hard so you can grasp Lady Luck's wink.

But let's broaden our views. "Success" is not the same as wealth. It's a mosaic of personal growth, happiness, joy, and that fantastic sensation of having done something great. So, work hard, set objectives, and be ready for life's surprises. Enjoy the roller coaster of your life.

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January 28, 2023, 07:01:31 PM
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Success certainly isn't determined by one parameter but by a combination of factors, such as effort, luck, opportunities, etc. However, luck can play a vital role in your path because you may be struck with an unexpected opportunity, such as a job offer, but luck alone will rarely take you very far. Even if you're lucky enough to win the lottery, you'll need to possess a combination of characteristics in order to continue being rich.

Although if you're lucky enough to be born into a wealthy family, chances are that your life will be much easier compared to the average person, which is a completely different story. You'll have many more open doors and opportunities, and earning money when you already have money is far easier.

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January 28, 2023, 07:02:15 PM
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Of course effort and hard work comes first, everything else is mentioned by the questioner, and nothing can replace effort and hard work that will produce the desired results.
hard work can bring us to all of these things, and by working hard, we can add intelligence, insight, broaden associations, and bring good luck.

So, work hard and keep trying. And the others will follow by themselves.

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January 28, 2023, 07:05:11 PM
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I have my own philosophy regarding the title of this thread, "effort will never betray results".

This sentence is an inspiration for me personally. that effort will never betray results. that is, no matter how much effort we expend, it will produce results that are comparable and even exceed our expectations. for me, success is a condition in which a person can achieve a target in life or achieve something that is desired. meaning, success is the culmination of a dream, a goal that is achieved.

Well, to make it happen, it takes an effort and luck in achieving something that we plan. because, without any effort, success will never be achieved and luck will never come to us. and vice versa, without the slightest luck the goals we want will be destroyed and not achieved.  therefore, results and success occupy the highest position on the podium for achieving life targets, which are balanced with effort and luck.
So IMO, true success and luck is a series of efforts that we have done.

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January 28, 2023, 07:46:55 PM
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Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.
It's funny how everyone thinks that the luck is if you were born in rich family while they underappreciate the moment of how lucky they are for being born in developed country. You are already lucky if you were born in the USA/Canada/Australia/NZ, in Western Europe, in Nordic countries. If you are the citizen of these countries and are still poor, then it has definitely nothing to do with your luck but with your effort.

They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts.
Everything that they did in the past, led them to come to that moment. If they were born in countries like Burundi and Sierra Leone in average poor family with lack of education, I believe there is zero chance any luckwould reach to them ever to gain financial stability. One in a million gets lucky even in that conditions but huge luck of skills and education is a huge barrier for a person to keep the money too. Yeah, one needs knowledge to keep some $$.

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January 28, 2023, 07:49:34 PM
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The fundamental determinant for success is not the same for everyone. Some people became successful by luck, some purely by just real efforts and hard work. Also some of the people who were successful by luck also worked hard to an extent to be able to be prepared for luck when it comes. Some people did not work hard for success and are very privileged to maybe be born into it. It is different for everyone.

To become successful can be easier than staying successful which is more difficult and requires more than just luck but consistent effort as well. To remain successful, those who became successful simply by luck without any effort can have a harder time remaining successful. The one who had a bit of effort and luck can stay successful long after he was lucky because you cannot stay lucky or be lucky always and also because they already know how to put in the effort to sustain where luck has brought them to.

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You can always follow what the rich people do, but you also need some luck in order to be successful. You don't always get opportunities knocking at your door, and even if you have the grit, the talent, the passion, or the effort, if no opportunity lands in front of you to take, then success wouldn't really be realized on you. But of course, luck isn't always the determining factor for success. It plays a huge role but if you're not ready to grab the ppportunity, you will never know how to respond when that luck comes knocking.

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January 28, 2023, 08:33:02 PM
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Luck is good but you shouldn't just remove or take credit of someone's effort. If your uncle didn't put effort in doing things that he do them do you think that luck won't come?. Here's a true story about my uncle who didn't even able to study college or evem graduate college but now owns different house and lots because of effort and later on being lucky. First, he puts an effort in starting a business which is to fix cars and motorcycles as a mechanic until he is lucky that his business is now known due to having good results with his work because of effort. Now some of his sons also work the same and he even had apprentice learning and also working for him.

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Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

Being hardworking doesn't make you rich. If hardworking determine ones extent of richness, then labourers should be the richest. You might have being doing same business for years without being successful but a lucky day can change your stories. Favour and luck being complement by hardwork is the key to success and richness.

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'Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity' - seneca

I believe luck is important, but if you haven't done the groundwork you won't be able to take advantage of/leverage it when it comes
exactly

Luck doesn't generally mean not doing anything and getting rich out of it, you need to throw in some bold steps and work smart, this is why I used to tell my little ones that's there is two types of luck, one is getting something when or where you least expected and this happens once in a blue moon, the other is giving in all you can to become lucky, if one doesn't work the other will, it's called hard work with some sense.
exactly

you can never be lucky to win the lottery if you never play the game

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luck is also the narrow view of lots of variables lining up where you cant see the variables moving. thus you think its random rather than a pattern alignment
you cant better the odds if your not finding the variables/paths/patterns

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January 29, 2023, 01:58:18 AM
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I definitely believe in luck since it has occurred to me in the past, but there are many other factors in life that might effect success. As a product of our ability and skill for achieving positive outcomes in life, it is typically the result of perseverance and hard work, though.
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They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.
When you start continuing the work consistently with greater focus, of course you also have to be smart enough right?
Because when someone who wants to continue a job while still stupid himself, how can he consistently focus on the work he wants to continue? I think one cannot ignore intelligence even though he can hope for luck in his business, because people who are smart in a field of work can definitely make a better focus and run their business more consistently.

On the contrary, most intelligent people are not consistent in real life and they barely win in the end. Sad but true.
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January 29, 2023, 04:18:52 AM
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If you want success, it takes hard work or effort to get on the right track and with luck coming your way, you can achieve that success in no time. But there is still an effort to start everything because if you just sit back and do nothing, luck will come to you for a long time.

We should focus on what we are doing and try as best and as hard as we can and then let it run itself and don't forget always to pray because this is the most important factor.

Words that all successful people do to work hard with what you dream of. if you really want to change everything for the better, you really have to do that. you only have two choices that you will take. if you are consistent with what you are after it will be easy to reach it. believe me.
Right. If we can still try and want to make it happen, it will come true one day. By having a dream, we will be motivated to achieve it so that if we encounter a problem, we will try to solve it.

It's hard to achieve a target we want but it will be worth the result later, especially when we try for the people we love. And if one day it has come true, there is a feeling that we cannot say and we can only be grateful that we have made it happen. Stay motivated and keep trying, success will come to us.

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January 29, 2023, 05:50:28 AM
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You are focused and consistent it will achieve that success. I think it will bring you good luck. Because success will always be side by side hard work with luck. The more you work hard, the greater the probability to meet luck.
Success due to luck is only temporary, success due to hard work lasts a long time. Luck is the result of trying, there is no word luck if you don't try.
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Yes this is true many times. Look at Bitcoin for example. Those that invested early look how successful they are these days? Same with the early investors in Tesla and Microsoft and other tech companies.

I don’t think it was skill why they invested then. There was many companies. But due to luck they chose those which made their net worth sky rocket. So I agree with this statement. Sometimes your success can simply be due to luck.

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Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

In my opinion, this is the most important secret of prosperity.  

Success is a probabilistic event.  It all depends on luck, so in order to succeed, you need to increase your chances of winning.  For this you need to constantly work.  This is (probably) the main difference between successful people and unsuccessful ones.  

Losers do not believe in their luck, so they ignore projects in which the future reward is not guaranteed.  Such people choose for themselves hired labor with guaranteed wages.  

Successful people believe in their luck and are willing to take risks.  

They are engaged in investments, organize their business, participate in adventurous projects.  As a result, they have a chance to earn big money.

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January 29, 2023, 10:17:12 AM
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In my view, luck is only a expressions of success, I prefer that opportunities come to those who try and have the ability, I think that's the reality, while people who rely on luck on average are gamblers.
But there are some expressions that say luck, like lucky I used to learn computers, lucky I used to trade, lucky I used to buy bitcoin otherwise I wouldn't be this rich for example, so in my opinion there is no success through luck, there is only ability and our efforts in executing opportunities, and lucky sentences are expressions of disbelief for what has been done. CMIWW

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January 29, 2023, 01:05:08 PM
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I think the element of luck is important to success but if you ignore the effort it is just a stroke of luck and cannot become a standard view on the matter.  The more you try, the more luck you get!
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Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.
That I would say was just a laid-back explanation for it. you know what they say, “Luck Is What Happens When Preparation Meets Opportunity" What do you think would have happened if your uncles were not prepared or didn't have the knowledge that is required to excel in that field? you still need to do the work like in this story of the Beatles one of the most famous rock bands and best-selling bands in history. When the band moved from London to the US to play at clubs, they played for an average of 8 hours, for 270 nights in about 2 years. This time gave them the opportunity to constantly improve on their craft, thus that by the time they had their first burst of success, they had performed live an estimated 1200 times, making them adequately prepared by the time the opportunity came by.
So, if you are not prepared, you cannot recognize the luck that has come before you or take advantage of it.
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They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more.
Luck does favor a lot in the process of getting successful, but in order to keep the success you have to put lots of effort in it too. Getting successful is hard but keeping it is much harder. I have seen many people getting successful with luck and then after they have achieved it, they don't put any effort to keep it as it is. You may get inspired by your family members who are successful by luck, but have a look at their current life. I'm sure they are doing everything they can to keep the success.
So I think you need both in your life.
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