Success is fundamentally determined by luck, not effort.

[MoonOfLife]

I agree that success requires luck, no matter how talented you are, without luck, you will never succeed. But that's not why we don't make an effort, we still have to make an effort and keep trying even if we're not lucky because if we don't make an effort, we'll get worse.

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[ginsan]

the word success is often the runway for some people who want to change their lives when they find opportunities in every field they want to get into. But as Op said sometimes luck comes to those who dare to take risks and that's only 1% of most of them. The chances of winning are very small if you are not accompanied by large capital and have brilliant ideas in the field you are working on.

Besides that, one thing you can do to achieve success with adequate financial factors is to work hard in real life before other people praise the success you will get in the future.

[hyudien]

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

There have been errors in defining success. Apart from being ridiculous, maybe you are not too philosophical about how success is not complex and is determined by only one factor. You are now working and that includes a business. Don't pretend it's simple and only depends on luck. If you are someone who depends on luck and let everything stand in place then why should you painstakingly work and spend time?

Maybe that applies to people around you, doesn't mean that everything applies in general.

Answer my question: you said that now you do work consistently, isn't that part of your business? try to answer !!

[Negotiation]

There is definitely luck but fate is largely controlled by your actions not completely leave 90 percent control to karma and 10 percent to luck. You put a lot of effort into a job that wasn't supposed to happen but still failed to reach the main goal. It is because of your luck if you work hard and succeed, it is also because of work hard for this you must act. Then it's good if it succeeds, but if it doesn't bad luck. But if you leave everything to luck you will never succeed.

[Doan9269]

Success is not a measure of how we've contributed our efforts towards achieving it, neither does it account as a result of being a lucky one to be successful in life, it's combines the two altogether to make the perfect match in which we all have to give the very best efforts towards making it in life and in so doing, we may experience that luck with an opportunity it may present us along the process, we determine what we see through our actions and determinations.

[gunhell16]

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

If from the point of view of some of your extended family who are now successful businessmen, it is because of luck that they became rich, maybe I will respect them for their belief.

Because for me, not all successful business people say that they were able to reach their dreams in life because of luck. Because if luck is the basis for being a successful entrepreneur, then there should be no hard work and patience and they just waited for their luck. But that's not what most successful people say, but because of hard work, patience, and the right system they used made them successful. Therefore, the word luck is not the right formula for us to succeed in our lives.

[Coin Gorilla]

It's definitely a combination of both, there are no ways about it.

The thing is, yes, you could say that it is "fundamentally determined by luck", in SOME cases, but if you would to dissect it and, let's say, make a statistics/data overview out of it, I would be extremely confident that it's a combination of both in a large %. Your effort is what "provokes" the potential of luck presenting to you.

[ethereumhunter]

If you want success, it takes hard work or effort to get on the right track and with luck coming your way, you can achieve that success in no time. But there is still an effort to start everything because if you just sit back and do nothing, luck will come to you for a long time.

We should focus on what we are doing and try as best and as hard as we can and then let it run itself and don't forget always to pray because this is the most important factor.

Do not just wait for luck alone, work for it and with patience and persistency too, you will be successful in time because of your hardwork and luck working hand in hand. But make it a habit too to keep praying anywhere and everywhere because if you pray and work, it will always come to you as quickly as you want it to be as long as God sees you’ll benefit from it. Because even how hardwork you are and how lucky you are, as long as it’s never meant for you, it will never be given to you.

Those are the ways we have to do if we want to get successful. Pray, be patient, persevere, work, and luck will come without us realizing it and only knowing that we have achieved what we want. And when we have achieved it, we should not be arrogant and it is better to keep working hard as usual and be more grateful to achieve other successes. And even though we were never destined for it, if we work hard to achieve it, we will get something better.

[Ucy]

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

If their success is based on luck then be sure they are not actually rich as they aren't sure how long they will be lucky with the riches.
I know of someone on this forum who became very riches by holding strongly to Christain principles that gurantee riches. Now he is so rich that he can get any amount of money he wants from worthy businesses. His riches wasn't based on luck. He simply played by the good rules that guarantees riches and he got very rich but living like a poor man

[RockBell]

Being successful is a different story for everybody some are lucky and others with hard work, and establishing a business currently is not as easy as it was then because now government policies are not favorable for starters at all and so many factors, especially in my own region, if you have made up your mind to achieve anything in life you should also prepare your mind against the challenges and the number one thing is that never give up.

[crwth]

It's more of a combination of luck and effort for me because you need to do something to get something back. It would be best if you still took action for those opportunities to become successful. Like you can have an interview for a job with great pay and benefits, the luck aspect, but if you do well, that will be yours for a short time since you won't make an effort. So that's always going to be a combination.

You should know what you are doing and focus on what you can do and control. It's best to have a great mindset and efficient effort for what you want, and then success can come.

[Renampun]

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck.

meeting good friends is good luck - having a harmonious and trustworthy family is also good luck, even knowing this forum can also be said to be lucky. so the conclusion is that things in this world are inseparable from luck.

They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

one thing that is very beautiful about successful older siblings is that they want to share their life stories/experiences, and for me, it is worth more than money because, from the experiences they tell, we can get the knowledge that we would not have been able to get when we were young. I also once received advice from my uncle who was successful in running a cargo business, he said that hard work without luck is futile, so be kind to everyone so that luck will stop at you.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Lol, this sounds ridiculous but I think the number of people who succeed by luck is very small.

I agree with you bro, I don't even believe in luck alon, those days are gone ✌️, every luck has a trace of little or great effort.


OP, Everybody has their own different beliefs about what their faith is and what has made them who they are, but I believe that all faith without work is ill. 

To believe in luck, you must first be good at one thing, and to be good at one thing, you must put in little effort. All my life, I have never seen anyone make success out of nothing. My grandpa would tell me the story of their days, when one could just get a job immediately after completing senior secondary school; then, the employers would come pick you up at your house for employment, and you wouldn't need to stress at all for the job to get hired, but, bro, I think those days are gone. 

Manners are no longer falling from heaven these days unless you put in your effort. I can believe that some people may put all their efforts into something and still get no good result, while some people only put in little effort and get enveloped by luck, but I strongly believe that today, zero effort is zero success. Any way is just my opinion.

[Theones]

Lol, this sounds ridiculous but I think the number of people who succeed by luck is very small.

I agree with you bro, I don't even believe in luck alon, those days are gone ✌️, every luck has a trace of little or great effort.


OP, Everybody has their own different beliefs about what their faith is and what has made them who they are, but I believe that all faith without work is ill. 

To believe in luck, you must first be good at one thing, and to be good at one thing, you must put in little effort. All my life, I have never seen anyone make success out of nothing. My grandpa would tell me the story of their days, when one could just get a job immediately after completing senior secondary school; then, the employers would come pick you up at your house for employment, and you wouldn't need to stress at all for the job to get hired, but, bro, I think those days are gone. 

Manners are no longer falling from heaven these days unless you put in your effort. I can believe that some people may put all their efforts into something and still get no good result, while some people only put in little effort and get enveloped by luck, but I strongly believe that today, zero effort is zero success. Any way is just my opinion.

That is correct - I am a hard worker and I worked to be financially independent but I failed terrible - -  nothing in my life worked.
What I have won in lucky draw was the crockery set and an ipod.
Nothing more than that. I agree with OP - sometime luck makes you rich! in fact most of the times

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

That is correct - I am a hard worker and I worked to be financially independent but I failed terrible - -  nothing in my life worked.
What I have won in lucky draw was the crockery set and an ipod.
Nothing more than that. I agree with OP - sometime luck makes you rich! in fact most of the times

from what @Renampun said above: Knowing bitcointalk could be considered lucky, let's look at it from this angle: assuming you and three other persons apply for a signature campaign, but you are selected, you would think it is luck, right? How about if you were selected because you have been spotted for always having good-quality comments and posts? How about if you were selected because you put more effort into your comments than the two people who were rejected? You're probably just going to conclude that it was luck, knowing your effort also played a role.

In my first comment, I said that in every act of luck shown to someone, there is always a little or great effort. Let me digress a bit.

Back when I was growing up, I did some side hustles, but there was this colleague of mine that got picked as permanent staff in the company where we worked then, even though we were just working on contract. Any time the company needs us, they call, and we go deliver the service required of us. This one of my colleagues was picked because he just worked an extra hour that day after we declined to work that long with him. He's still with the company up till date, but in a bigger position. In essence, what I am trying to say is that luck still requires some effort to get activated. is just my opinion though.

[Sanitough]

Lol, this sounds ridiculous but I think the number of people who succeed by luck is very small. I also know some successful people who stay humble when it comes to their efforts and talk about their luck instead. However, I think that to be successful requires a lot of factors, not only effort, or luck but also perseverance, dedication, creativity... in which luck is just the last ingredient.

Of course, to have success requires many factors, not just luck, and just lack of a certain factor makes it difficult for you to succeed. If you say that success also requires luck, even though that's the last factor you mentioned, then obviously you won't be successful without luck.

I am still not successful, but I am a living witness of luck, I had a tough life before, and I couldn't even pay my debt even though I worked hard all day and every day. But everything turned a new page in my life when I was helped by a stranger with a job I never knew about before. As of now, not only have I paid off my old debt, but I have savings, investments, and things that I thought I would never have even if I worked my whole life.

That stranger alone might have brought the luck for you. But as we all know, you didn’t just grab the luck but you also put hardwork and high dedication into your new job that made you where you are today. So that’s where efforts and luck have worked hand in hand so you can have a good life at the moment. Without the other one, you will never go that far and experience luxury of what you have right now.

[Lanatsa]

Lol, this sounds ridiculous but I think the number of people who succeed by luck is very small. I also know some successful people who stay humble when it comes to their efforts and talk about their luck instead. However, I think that to be successful requires a lot of factors, not only effort, or luck but also perseverance, dedication, creativity... in which luck is just the last ingredient.

Of course, to have success requires many factors, not just luck, and just lack of a certain factor makes it difficult for you to succeed. If you say that success also requires luck, even though that's the last factor you mentioned, then obviously you won't be successful without luck.

I am still not successful, but I am a living witness of luck, I had a tough life before, and I couldn't even pay my debt even though I worked hard all day and every day. But everything turned a new page in my life when I was helped by a stranger with a job I never knew about before. As of now, not only have I paid off my old debt, but I have savings, investments, and things that I thought I would never have even if I worked my whole life.

That stranger alone might have brought the luck for you. But as we all know, you didn’t just grab the luck but you also put hardwork and high dedication into your new job that made you where you are today. So that’s where efforts and luck have worked hand in hand so you can have a good life at the moment. Without the other one, you will never go that far and experience luxury of what you have right now.

Why would need up to choose one if both things are crucial on someones success?

Its true that effort and hard work would be meaningless if there's no some sort of luck for whatever you are dealing with.Somehow this would really be pertaning on how you do work hard because
you cant just make yourself that relying when it comes to luck where you do believe that it would really make you reach out a certain state where you are having no problems about finances.
It is really that somewhat having some mix of luck but majorly it would really be pertaining on how well you do handle yourself on lots of challenges because
success cant really be obtained if you havent done such thing.

[n0ne]

As OP mentioned it is our responsibility to do the best and the rest will be rewarded automatically. We need to work for it rather than expecting luck. When we work hard surely at some point we'll be good to some extent even if luck hasn't helped us. Luck is important to make you reach the top, but hard work is a must to keep your life at a better position.

[Alpha Marine]

I don't agree with this. Luck is a factor and there are many other factors but hard work is the biggest factor in being successful. I also believe there's a thin line between rich and successful. You can get rich through pure luck, like winning the lottery or being born into a rich family or whatever but for you to start your own business or career and be successful in it takes a lot of things and hard work is a big part of those things. You don't become a very good marine out of luck, you don't become a good and successful basketball or football player through luck or luck playing a bigger role.

[Vaskiy]

I don't agree with this. Luck is a factor and there are many other factors but hard work is the biggest factor in being successful. I also believe there's a thin line between rich and successful. You can get rich through pure luck, like winning the lottery or being born into a rich family or whatever but for you to start your own business or career and be successful in it takes a lot of things and hard work is a big part of those things. You don't become a very good marine out of luck, you don't become a good and successful basketball or football player through luck or luck playing a bigger role.

Agreed, success is a factor. Same time having just the hard work won't make you reach high. What you say is right, but at the same time without luck one cannot be on the top. We can take the example you've said, there are far better football and basketball players than the top ones. Because they worked hard and got to be lucky to grab the opportunity whereas the person without luck weren't visible to the outer world.