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May 11, 2023, 09:34:15 AM
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I don't agree that success is based on luck rather than effort. it's because luck won't come if we don't try. The meaning, in this case, is that not all of our businesses can be successful, but by trying to find the best business, you will get a business that can make you successful. Is that lucky? no, it is done with effort and hard work. in fact, building a business or running a business is included in the effort. You will not get success just by waiting for luck. no one is successful if they just watch tv and sleep in their room waiting for their luck.

It is not like gambling that you are sitting and betting some small money on it and waiting for bigger return, life is not like that. I agree with you that lucks attract hard work that is why those rich people will always say that do your very best and be hard working on something for sure you'll be able to get that and the luck is just a 2nd factor on it. Relying on luck is not a good idea for sure you'll not going to be successful on it as it is still another term for lazy stuff.
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May 11, 2023, 09:56:20 AM
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Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

Pinpointing success to luck is an easy out - if you prefer to not take responsibility.
What can be considered luck in one instance, meeting the right person to work with, finding the right business niche at the right time, having the right skill for the job at the right time etc, cannot be attributed to luck if it keeps reoccuring.
If you put yourself in a position to connect to many people in a similar group of interest, if you stay focused on what you want to achive and keep looking out for the right opportunities and at the same time educate yourself about the relevant topics you will "attract luck" -> you kind of create a high probability chance to experience the right situations and connect with the right people and opportunities.
If you just lay back and spend your time with other things than those relevant to what you seek to achive, "business-success-luck" will probably not be part of your usual experience.

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May 11, 2023, 10:42:36 AM
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I don't agree that success is based on luck rather than effort. it's because luck won't come if we don't try. The meaning, in this case, is that not all of our businesses can be successful, but by trying to find the best business, you will get a business that can make you successful. Is that lucky? no, it is done with effort and hard work. in fact, building a business or running a business is included in the effort. You will not get success just by waiting for luck. no one is successful if they just watch tv and sleep in their room waiting for their luck.
Hard work coupled with luck will give great success but luck without hard work is nonsense because luck will be obtained by those who are trying not those who do nothing, because if that's true lazy people can be successful if luck comes to him

And it is true that success is not based on luck, because luck is something random, if success depends on luck then it becomes useless all the hard work that humans do to be able to achieve success. So what Op said was just a personal assumption because maybe he felt that he had worked very hard but did not achieve what other people achieved, which in fact we will not know how hard the other person tried until he finally became successful.

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May 11, 2023, 11:50:05 AM
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Many books have been written about success and luck in trading and investing. One of the best classic books is "Reminiscences of a Stock Operator". There are many stories of investors who went bankrupt many times, as well as rich people who lost their millions on investments.

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May 11, 2023, 12:41:24 PM
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Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

I completely disagree with your experience that is, if it's true as you put it, luck can come knocking at anyone's door but what happens when you are not prepared for it? You will often hear from elders that opportunity comes but once but how can you grab the opportunity when you are not well ready to prepare for it? For any luck to come your way, you have to be ready in the sense that, you have what it takes to accommodate the luck. let's say for example, a job interview was posted for qualified candidates and you don't have the qualifications, even if there high chance of taking more applicants, do you think you are going to be allowed for the interview if you don't meet the requirement? They will never call you because you missed preparing for the opportunity.

Bear it in mind also, life is not fair, even the animal food chains are not fair, because you are hardworking throughout your entire life doesn't mean luck will locate you, if that is how the world works, everyone would have a better job and business to run daily but as I have said, that's how life works.

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May 11, 2023, 06:51:50 PM
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I think so, success is determined by luck, not effort, the real proof that I see in life is that there are many rich and successful people who according to the rules he shouldn't be successful, I have a friend who didn't graduate at school, but after several years in the restaurant business now I have employees are around 30 people, and there are employees when schools often get top rankings.

Success doesn't come from going to school so don't think because someone didn't go to school that they won't be successful. Success comes from discipline, dedicating your life to achieve a goal and be focused while trying to achieve that goal. Your friend mightn't have gone to school but he had something many people don't have and that's dedication to their goals.

Success doesn't come from luck, that's gambling. Some people gamble and become successful but it doesn't mean luck equals to success. If you get your money from luck, you might lose it and can't make it back but anybody that got theirs through hardworks can rebuild.

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May 11, 2023, 07:07:06 PM
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Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

I don't think so, the luck factor is indeed one of the important factors for us to be successful but it doesn't rule out the possibility that we can also be successful without it, the point is if we are diligent in trying to work hard not being lazy staying consistent with what we do I'm sure we can become successful people . because success is only for worthy people

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May 11, 2023, 07:12:02 PM
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Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

Even if you do everything right, sometimes you have to be in the right place at the right time. Sometimes you come to the right time and the right place thanks to your luck. Actually, I can't call it luck because it is destiny. Fate makes its plan for us and we live our lives according to our choices. That's why we hope that there are things in our destiny that will make us feel lucky.
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May 11, 2023, 09:17:47 PM
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Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

Even if you do everything right, sometimes you have to be in the right place at the right time. Sometimes you come to the right time and the right place thanks to your luck. Actually, I can't call it luck because it is destiny. Fate makes its plan for us and we live our lives according to our choices. That's why we hope that there are things in our destiny that will make us feel lucky.

Yes, others call it luck, but there are people who are in the right place at the right time and that is opportunity. So we should really strive for the best and work out ass of if we wanted to be successful. Don't rely on luck alone, it will not be on our sides all the time.

It's good to go to school, but they will not teach everything specially the art of making money. We need to discover it ourselves and when we find the formula for success then we stick to it. Again, it's the opportunity that will present itself, and we need to grab it.

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May 11, 2023, 09:23:00 PM
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Many books have been written about success and luck in trading and investing. One of the best classic books is "Reminiscences of a Stock Operator". There are many stories of investors who went bankrupt many times, as well as rich people who lost their millions on investments.
Hard work isn't enough to gain success but I believe luck is also a part of it.
I agree that many rich people turn their millions into zero but this is not because they are working hard, they might putting into something that they are not good at, which means that they are pretty unlucky not to work it out despite the effort and hard work they did. In fact, even myself, it sometimes happens and sometimes we also need to give up on those investments that never work well otherwise, this will bring us to bankruptcy.

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May 11, 2023, 09:41:43 PM
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It is not like gambling that you are sitting and betting some small money on it and waiting for bigger return, life is not like that. I agree with you that lucks attract hard work that is why those rich people will always say that do your very best and be hard working on something for sure you'll be able to get that and the luck is just a 2nd factor on it. Relying on luck is not a good idea for sure you'll not going to be successful on it as it is still another term for lazy stuff.
You are right. To succeed in this life, we must do big efforts. We will never achieve anything if we never do anything. We can't expect to succeed if we just sit and rely on luck like in gambling games. Without effort, luck will never come since it has no reason to happen. Just imagine that you want to be a successful businessman, it won't happen if you have no business. Relying on luck without doing anything is an impossible dream, only stupid people do this way.  Cheesy


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Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.
I am agree with you, most of people said that hard work will give good results for our effort to be successful or rich or etc. it is not false, but a luck handle some part of all those hard efforts. If you do not give a lot of effort, less percentage the luck comes to you.

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May 11, 2023, 09:53:41 PM
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Lol, this sounds ridiculous but I think the number of people who succeed by luck is very small. I also know some successful people who stay humble when it comes to their efforts and talk about their luck instead. However, I think that to be successful requires a lot of factors, not only effort, or luck but also perseverance, dedication, creativity... in which luck is just the last ingredient.

You’ll be surprised to see how so much people thrive from being just at the right place at the right time. Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, and many other entities we praise for their hardwork and success, ultimately attribute luck towards the reasons why they are what they are right now. These people, whole smart, persevering, and industrious, wouldn’t get anywhere if they didn’t have the emerald mine, the Harvard degrees, and tons of cash to jumpstart their businesses. This basically solidifies the fact that luck plays a much larger role to someone’s success, more than what we don’t want to let out or admit.

Celebrities too! They wouldn’t really be right where they are just because they’re talented, they are there bdcause they are beautiful and handsome! Would you attribute that kind of advantage with “perseverance and strength?” I don’t think so!
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May 11, 2023, 10:02:44 PM
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Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, includin....They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.
you started a quite interesting topic about luck, in my perspective, we tend to think that way. For example, if i take my example, back in 2020 i was struggling to take admission in university as i had not have financial support from my parents back then so i was on my own, well one of my relatives talked to me and convinced me to carry on my studies and he was ready to pay for me. Well, i started and then i went for a job interview in my first semester. Now where was the twist was, i wanted to do BS in Software Engineering, And i wanted to do it in a good university. But my luck took me to an average university to study in BS Computer Science. Well, i was like ok, let's flow with it as i had no other choice other than working.

So, in the first semester, during the interview i got two options, to work or to delay my studies, so i thought too much and chose studies over work even in the bad financial situation then i made a friend in uni and he helped me a lot in skills and making money online and boom, from then i am earning more than that job which i dropped in 2020. And i think luck was everything.

And at some point, you do realize that what if i rejected my uncle's offer, what if i stick to my plan of doing BSSE in a good university, What if i accepted that job offer (where there was no room to grow). Life is full of What if possibilities, and you chose only one, and it's up to us to choose the right way, and when you adopt the best honest policy door to success will open from sources that you can't even imagine.

So, i think you are wrong, our efforts determine our luck and even if we can't achieve success after efforts, we should pray to Allah and ask him to change luck because prayer can change luck.

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May 11, 2023, 10:24:36 PM
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Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.
Theyre just really that being that humble on which they might be saying that luck does play majorly in speaking about their success but actually its not really that solely depending on it. Of course it would really be
talking about their effort and the time that they had put in,specially if we are talking about physical or real world business on which it would really be needing up those kind of approach and not something that could really be relied on luck alone. They have given out their wise decisions and effort on which this is a great factor rather than on speaking about luck alone. It is really just that they are really that just lowkey
and telling up things about on how well successful they are. It just turns out that it is really that a common saying just to ease out really make themselves humble.

No business would turn out to be successful if there would be no time and effort on which been applied into it. Luck isnt really only a reason for you to rely when running a business.
You cant really be just that relying on that factor alone because it cant really be something that would give out result if there would be no effort to be made
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May 12, 2023, 06:51:15 AM
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It really depends on your understanding as to what success means for you. It depends on a whole set of things falling in place of which hard work and luck are important factors. You need to have the right mindset, attitude, passion, skills to get successful because its as important as working hard with some luck by your side to keep you going from one steps to another. Also remember that its not that tough to get there but to maintain/sustain that position you need to be humble grateful for what you achieve.
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It really depends on your understanding as to what success means for you. It depends on a whole set of things falling in place of which hard work and luck are important factors. You need to have the right mindset, attitude, passion, skills to get successful because its as important as working hard with some luck by your side to keep you going from one steps to another. Also remember that its not that tough to get there but to maintain/sustain that position you need to be humble grateful for what you achieve.

I'm currently reading Zeland's book Reality Transurfing. 

The author argues that for success it is necessary to avoid the occurrence of excess potentials.  By the term excess potentials, he means great efforts to achieve the goal.  When a person makes great efforts to achieve a goal, he exaggerates the significance of this goal and thereby upsets the world balance of power. 

As a result, he begins to face strong obstacles on the way to the goal and it is not a fact that they can be overcome. 

By avoiding the emergence of high potentials, you can count on luck and achieve success much faster.

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May 12, 2023, 07:50:31 AM
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I don't agree that success is based on luck rather than effort. it's because luck won't come if we don't try. The meaning, in this case, is that not all of our businesses can be successful, but by trying to find the best business, you will get a business that can make you successful. Is that lucky? no, it is done with effort and hard work. in fact, building a business or running a business is included in the effort. You will not get success just by waiting for luck. no one is successful if they just watch tv and sleep in their room waiting for their luck.

It is not like gambling that you are sitting and betting some small money on it and waiting for bigger return, life is not like that. I agree with you that lucks attract hard work that is why those rich people will always say that do your very best and be hard working on something for sure you'll be able to get that and the luck is just a 2nd factor on it. Relying on luck is not a good idea for sure you'll not going to be successful on it as it is still another term for lazy stuff.

It is true that we cannot be lazy, not work hard and just wait for luck to come to us because there is no success without trade-offs. But to succeed beyond your best efforts, you need to have a little luck, or you will never succeed. When you start a business or do anything that always goes smoothly, that is also your luck. If luck is not needed to succeed, why do so many people work hard but never succeed? While many people don't spend too much time and effort to achieve success, it is quite common in our lives. I believe that luck plays an important role in everyone's success.

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May 12, 2023, 08:01:00 AM
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I'm currently reading Zeland's book Reality Transurfing. 

The author argues that for success it is necessary to avoid the occurrence of excess potentials.  By the term excess potentials, he means great efforts to achieve the goal.  When a person makes great efforts to achieve a goal, he exaggerates the significance of this goal and thereby upsets the world balance of power. 

As a result, he begins to face strong obstacles on the way to the goal and it is not a fact that they can be overcome. 

By avoiding the emergence of high potentials, you can count on luck and achieve success much faster.

There is a saying "work smarter not harder" point. I know people who achieved success without appearing to work hard. They are in tiny minority but I will also tell that hard work is no guarantee of success. But at the end you need to be humble and grateful for what you achieve and maintaining the same attitude and love for what you do shall determine your future so they say its not one time accomplishment rather its a way of life your own journey.
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May 12, 2023, 08:12:31 AM
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I don't think so, the luck factor is indeed one of the important factors for us to be successful but it doesn't rule out the possibility that we can also be successful without it, the point is if we are diligent in trying to work hard not being lazy staying consistent with what we do I'm sure we can become successful people . because success is only for worthy people

The luck factor is a factor that no one can predict and this factor also very rarely comes twice to the same person in different ways. So the luck factor is another thing that you don't need to think about because the most important thing to think about is to keep trying as hard as possible to find better results and that must really be done regularly and very consistently as you say.

Besides that, success in any case will not come by itself if it is never picked up by trying hard because indeed everyone is always required to work hard at what they want. So it is clear in this case that success is not for the lazy because indeed success is for people who deserve it after trying through their respective hard work.
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