Success is fundamentally determined by luck, not effort.

[DiMarxist]

The way to success is hard working you can just sit for house and be successful is not possible, hard working and luck walk together, the reason why I'm saying this, is because lazy person can never have an opportunity to success manner can never fall from heaven, the most hardest work is humble and obedience, if like be the smartest person on earth if you don't have obedient and loyalty, that smartness is vain, because people will not talk good about you, even if a chance come in, when some people want to give you, some will say no we can't give this chance that disrespectful boy/girl, successful is hard working.

[carlfebz2]

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

Well, in this case, conditions like that can still happen, but on the other hand, talking about looking for opportunities beforehand, I might focus on this because of course we also have to be aware that I won't mention that it was luck, but the result of the hard work that he had previously built.
You said that your brother has a high spirit of hard work and when he gets a big project and succeeds there it is not luck but the result he has learned from previous hard work.
I was often told by my parents "what you plant is what you pick" in this case I actually think that is what was meant. when you are lazy then indeed success will not come by itself, even though it may exist but the ratio is very small and it can only be counted on fingers. but it's different from us looking for and taking advantage of all the momentum with continuous effort, so indirectly we go straight to the success that comes our way.

Anyone who had succeed out specially into those casual physical offline or physical business then it does really indeed able to require that soo much hardwork and effort that had been made.Yes,it could really be mixed up with some luck but its not only the main factor which would really be able to make you a successful businessman/entrepreneur or whatever you've been dealing with if you arent really that wise on making decisions.It just turns out that there are people who do just keeping on saying that default thing that they were lucky.

Yes, there's a point into that but those are just sliding up the conversation because once people would usually be speaking into this kind of topic, they do usually be ending up on asking on how they have
done it literally or simply be asking on what are the methods or ways they have done which are supposed to be private or some sort. Therefore, it do really ends up on speaking about
being lucky because they do assume out on where this talks would usually be falling on and for sure it would really be falling down into the situation that i had mentioned above.

[Raflesia]

Well, in this case, conditions like that can still happen, but on the other hand, talking about looking for opportunities beforehand, I might focus on this because of course we also have to be aware that I won't mention that it was luck, but the result of the hard work that he had previously built.
You said that your brother has a high spirit of hard work and when he gets a big project and succeeds there it is not luck but the result he has learned from previous hard work.
I was often told by my parents "what you plant is what you pick" in this case I actually think that is what was meant. when you are lazy then indeed success will not come by itself, even though it may exist but the ratio is very small and it can only be counted on fingers. but it's different from us looking for and taking advantage of all the momentum with continuous effort, so indirectly we go straight to the success that comes our way.

Anyone who had succeed out specially into those casual physical offline or physical business then it does really indeed able to require that soo much hardwork and effort that had been made.Yes,it could really be mixed up with some luck but its not only the main factor which would really be able to make you a successful businessman/entrepreneur or whatever you've been dealing with if you arent really that wise on making decisions.It just turns out that there are people who do just keeping on saying that default thing that they were lucky.

Yes, there's a point into that but those are just sliding up the conversation because once people would usually be speaking into this kind of topic, they do usually be ending up on asking on how they have
done it literally or simply be asking on what are the methods or ways they have done which are supposed to be private or some sort. Therefore, it do really ends up on speaking about
being lucky because they do assume out on where this talks would usually be falling on and for sure it would really be falling down into the situation that i had mentioned above.

So from that it would be very funny if indeed this was only considered as luck which was the biggest factor but forgetting the conditions in which they worked very hard before.
Things like this do depend on how one's attitude is, but for me appreciating hard work from the start is also very important because even though luck in exploiting momentum is also very important, in this case we are of course aware that we are actually doing business with careful planning and on the basis that we have it with the belief that it will get better, not like gambling, which is done only hoping for luck to come.

[mm2543363580]

In the past I would have opposed the OP's idea but having been in the business world long enough and gotten the opportunity to interact with multimillionaires I agree with your argument. One of the richest men in my country came from a generation of industrialist who thrived on monopoly. They lobby the government and crush whatever competition they face. He is rich in billions of dollars and luck played a role. How? First, he came from a very wealthy family which served to position him to achieve success in business. Second, he is lucky to always have the government on his side against competitions.

Yes you have  point there are some people who jnherit success like money and bank balances they don't have to work hard for that and life is a piece of cake fir them. They are born with a silver spoon in their mouth but there are few people who have to earn everything on their own they are self-made people who works hard to achieve everything in life .
So both the cases exists in our world and we experience many cases but they question Is who are the good ones those who got everything in their plates or those who worked hard for everything?

[Bushdark]

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

Success is not just hard work but working smartly with some atom of luck to trigger it up to an extend where it will be more conducive for one to reach the height that had been set. Apart from working smartly it is also very good when we create rapport with people around us so when opportunity comes we could be considered because we had created a strong bond around the society and people around us.

 Having a good connection is what usually attract opportunity to us that would boost our skills that we had gain to explore. Smart work with rapport with people around us brings opportunity to us. Then we can proceed to getting work we want to a greater height.

[asyakashi]

I think they are both needed. how do you know your luck if you don't try it. but if it fails learn to be patient and don't give up. that no luck comes from a lack of effort. it all starts with effort and hard work. we will be able to see in the future when we have put out the maximum effort. if luck can be reached without effort, I think the world is unfair, but those who are lucky must also experience bitterness as long as they try to succeed.

[indo1]

they both are in line. you will get luck when you try. if you just keep silent luck will never come. and if you just think it will only make you stay in place without doing anything to pick up luck. I'm sure every desire there must be success, don't give up easily, you will get luck at the right time.

[Razmirraz]

lol. How can you assume like that, until the end of the world you will never be able to feel success if you just hope for luck without any effort. Luck is in the last part after Effort, Creativity and patience in pursuing Business.
For me, luck is a bonus from the hard work done so far. People always wish for good luck after years of trying to achieve success.

[Minecache]

lol. How can you assume like that, until the end of the world you will never be able to feel success if you just hope for luck without any effort. Luck is in the last part after Effort, Creativity and patience in pursuing Business.
For me, luck is a bonus from the hard work done so far. People always wish for good luck after years of trying to achieve success.

I also don't completely agree with the OP's point in saying that success is all about luck, not effort. But it is also undeniable that, without luck, our efforts can hardly bring success. For me, when the opportunity comes is called luck, it is not necessarily created from effort, and taking advantage of the opportunity to achieve success is due to our efforts. Every successful person needs these 2 factors, I don't believe anyone can achieve success without luck, although effort is more appreciated and vice versa. No one can succeed without trade-offs or without effort.

[isaac_clarke22]

Well, in this case, conditions like that can still happen, but on the other hand, talking about looking for opportunities beforehand, I might focus on this because of course we also have to be aware that I won't mention that it was luck, but the result of the hard work that he had previously built.
You said that your brother has a high spirit of hard work and when he gets a big project and succeeds there it is not luck but the result he has learned from previous hard work.
I was often told by my parents "what you plant is what you pick" in this case I actually think that is what was meant. when you are lazy then indeed success will not come by itself, even though it may exist but the ratio is very small and it can only be counted on fingers. but it's different from us looking for and taking advantage of all the momentum with continuous effort, so indirectly we go straight to the success that comes our way.

......And sometimes what you might plant might not even get picked in the end and it just goes -poof- gone. Same goes for some other people's dreams that they dreamed the most. You just gotta suck it up that everything will not always go your way.
Your race, your birth place, your luck overall will affect on the probability of you getting what you wanted. It's just the broken reality there, bud. I can recall some seniors in my workplace being praised while just sitting their ass off without doing anything for 9 hours almost.

I also don't completely agree with the OP's point in saying that success is all about luck, not effort. But it is also undeniable that, without luck, our efforts can hardly bring success. For me, when the opportunity comes is called luck, it is not necessarily created from effort, and taking advantage of the opportunity to achieve success is due to our efforts. Every successful person needs these 2 factors, I don't believe anyone can achieve success without luck, although effort is more appreciated and vice versa. No one can succeed without trade-offs or without effort.

You bring opportunities by doing hardwork and your luck decides whether you truly deserve that kind of success. It's just the same thing for everybody. If you were born in a rich family, you would have it easy meanwhile being a poor family would still go long ways just to even start your career.

[serjent05]

In the past I would have opposed the OP's idea but having been in the business world long enough and gotten the opportunity to interact with multimillionaires I agree with your argument. One of the richest men in my country came from a generation of industrialist who thrived on monopoly. They lobby the government and crush whatever competition they face. He is rich in billions of dollars and luck played a role. How? First, he came from a very wealthy family which served to position him to achieve success in business. Second, he is lucky to always have the government on his side against competitions.

There is a reason why the government is always on his side against the competition.  Obviously, the government doesn't just appear and say they favor that guy against the competitor.  There should be underhand tactics in there.  There is an effort made so that these officials will side on that person.  Not because we don't understand how things is done, it can be called luck.  I may say luck probably stroke the guy once but the effort that person made created a stream of possibilities for his business to flourish.  You cannot just wait for luck to happen in order for your business to be successful.  

At most of consideration for luck, I can say it is the combination of both but at the bare minimum, I can say effort does the trick.

lol. How can you assume like that, until the end of the world you will never be able to feel success if you just hope for luck without any effort. Luck is in the last part after Effort, Creativity and patience in pursuing Business.
For me, luck is a bonus from the hard work done so far. People always wish for good luck after years of trying to achieve success.

Well said, I also think luck is created by effort.  In business no effort = no profit.  Business does not thrive on luck but on endless hard works and efforts done by the owner.

[Sayeds56]

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

The question of what drives success is indeed an ongoing debate, and various perspectives exist based on individual experience of life. Therefore, It is challenging to reach a definitive conclusion that either luck or effort is sole determinant of success. However, drawing from my extensive life experience,  I personnel believe that luck opens the doors of opportunities and effort play important role in capitalizing on and materializing the advantages associated with those opportunities.

[barisbilgili]

lol. How can you assume like that, until the end of the world you will never be able to feel success if you just hope for luck without any effort. Luck is in the last part after Effort, Creativity and patience in pursuing Business.
For me, luck is a bonus from the hard work done so far. People always wish for good luck after years of trying to achieve success.

I also don't completely agree with the OP's point in saying that success is all about luck, not effort. But it is also undeniable that, without luck, our efforts can hardly bring success. For me, when the opportunity comes is called luck, it is not necessarily created from effort, and taking advantage of the opportunity to achieve success is due to our efforts. Every successful person needs these 2 factors, I don't believe anyone can achieve success without luck, although effort is more appreciated and vice versa. No one can succeed without trade-offs or without effort.

all of that is true but know that everything is in line and the beginning is effort, if there is no effort how could there be chance and luck.
I don't believe in any of that, I believe in myself, when I want and get up to start trying then opportunity and luck will accompany it.
get up and try if you want to be successful, don't ever expect anything if you don't create it yourself.

[terencio]

It sounds like you have learned a lot from your uncles and their stories of success. I agree that luck plays a role in life, but I also think that hard work and perseverance are essential to create and seize opportunities.

[CageMabok]

I think they are both needed. how do you know your luck if you don't try it. but if it fails learn to be patient and don't give up. that no luck comes from a lack of effort. it all starts with effort and hard work. we will be able to see in the future when we have put out the maximum effort. if luck can be reached without effort, I think the world is unfair, but those who are lucky must also experience bitterness as long as they try to succeed.

I also agree with what you are saying, because it is clear that luck can be expected after maximum effort. This means that hard work in achieving something you want is the main thing that must exist even though the level of luck cannot be estimated precisely by those who are trying. But it's true that luck will never come to those who just wait without having any effort from themselves, so it's clear in this case that effort is the main route to success in the hope of getting a greater level of luck.

they both are in line. you will get luck when you try. if you just keep silent luck will never come. and if you just think it will only make you stay in place without doing anything to pick up luck. I'm sure every desire there must be success, don't give up easily, you will get luck at the right time.

Trying something by never giving up because bitterness is part of effort and also part of patience in facing every challenge. And from the many examples that many people can see, those who have been successful are those who always start their business with struggles and never complain about bitter conditions. Because they know that success will never come when someone is sitting still doing nothing, which is why I say effort is the main thing that must exist if you want to achieve success in life.

[Swordsoffreedom]

In the past I would have opposed the OP's idea but having been in the business world long enough and gotten the opportunity to interact with multimillionaires I agree with your argument. One of the richest men in my country came from a generation of industrialist who thrived on monopoly. They lobby the government and crush whatever competition they face. He is rich in billions of dollars and luck played a role. How? First, he came from a very wealthy family which served to position him to achieve success in business. Second, he is lucky to always have the government on his side against competitions.

Come from a wealthy family, that's called luck, and they are more likely to succeed thanks to a solid foundation from the beginning. Indeed, luck plays an extremely important role in anyone's career success, but many people always think that is not true, and they consider themselves talented. I am sure that without luck no one will succeed. But successful people are like that, always conceited and arrogant, always thinking they are good without anyone's help, and do not believe in luck.

[ancafe]

Come from a wealthy family, that's called luck, and they are more likely to succeed thanks to a solid foundation from the beginning. Indeed, luck plays an extremely important role in anyone's career success, but many people always think that is not true, and they consider themselves talented.

It's a reality and almost 75% of people born into wealthy families who own businesses will pass it on. I mean they have much greater luck compared to people who are born from poor families, most children of rich people must be taught to take control of their father's business and from a young age they have been forged and directed for that.

Although in general not all children born to wealthy business owners will be as successful as following their fathers, in reality almost 75% of them follow their father's success. Having opportunities and having everything is the way to achieve success whereas people who have nothing have to struggle hard to achieve all of that.

I am sure that without luck no one will succeed. But successful people are like that, always conceited and arrogant, always thinking they are good without anyone's help, and do not believe in luck.

Luck is also based on hard work, but talking about opportunity is the same as comparing a child born to a business family with a child born to a poor family. Different parenting styles and family education will give birth to different thoughts, the value of arrogance also refers to the upbringing of their parents, but we also often find poor people who become rich are far more arrogant than children born in business families.

[philipma1957]

lol. How can you assume like that, until the end of the world you will never be able to feel success if you just hope for luck without any effort. Luck is in the last part after Effort, Creativity and patience in pursuing Business.
For me, luck is a bonus from the hard work done so far. People always wish for good luck after years of trying to achieve success.

Nope

all the effort creativity and patience in the world only will work if luck allows it.


Now you still need effort creativity and patience but bad luck will always be able to stop that.


Edit a good example of why luck is a number 1 factor


last month tornados hit my area I had good luck.

https://abc7ny.com/new-jersey-storm-damage-nj-howell-township-jackson/13076577/

No one was hurt from the damage and there was lots of it.

So the luck was good that no one died.

BTW NJ, USA is not a tornado state we go years with out them.

Weather can drill you if it does not good luck
Earthquakes can drill you if it does not good luck.

In Aug 1986 I went to San Franciso for my honeymoon.
In Oct 1989 it was hit by an Earth Quake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4LFu91Xrw0

We went over the bridge that collapsed and killed people.

We went under the overpassed that collapsed and killed people.

But our luck was good  we were at the wrong place but we were there at a good time.

So luck is why I am typing this. Not hard work and good deeds.

BTW there was a small earthquake last night in New York


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/05/19/earthquake-new-york-westchester-county/70234927007/


So I am fine not by any effort but by luck it was small.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

In the past I would have opposed the OP's idea but having been in the business world long enough and gotten the opportunity to interact with multimillionaires I agree with your argument. One of the richest men in my country came from a generation of industrialist who thrived on monopoly. They lobby the government and crush whatever competition they face. He is rich in billions of dollars and luck played a role. How? First, he came from a very wealthy family which served to position him to achieve success in business. Second, he is lucky to always have the government on his side against competitions.

Come from a wealthy family, that's called luck, and they are more likely to succeed thanks to a solid foundation from the beginning. Indeed, luck plays an extremely important role in anyone's career success, but many people always think that is not true, and they consider themselves talented. I am sure that without luck no one will succeed. But successful people are like that, always conceited and arrogant, always thinking they are good without anyone's help, and do not believe in luck.

Luck can be a factor in your success but hard work matters alot in your life , if you don't work hard for anything how can you expect to get anything even success.
Yes generation wise success is a fact that you get from your forefathers but still I will stand with hardworking people who are self-made.
The people who are born with silver spoons in their mouth don't know the value of success or anything .

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

Before a success can emerge, it has to be a dependent on this one her factors which are luck and hardworks, in being a hard-working man, you also need luck, which will be a proof to your hardworks, it makes one not to struggles continually in life, luck can be use in place of being favoured, though sometimes it's not also by hardworks but by mercy, but for every committed and serious persons in life, they will definitely come across one these at some point in life, the time frame of each individual may vary from the other to be successful in life, and lastly opportunity is what capped them all, being poor is missing opportunities repeatedly in life.