Success is fundamentally determined by luck, not effort.

[Minecache]

lol. How can you assume like that, until the end of the world you will never be able to feel success if you just hope for luck without any effort. Luck is in the last part after Effort, Creativity and patience in pursuing Business.
For me, luck is a bonus from the hard work done so far. People always wish for good luck after years of trying to achieve success.

I also don't completely agree with the OP's point in saying that success is all about luck, not effort. But it is also undeniable that, without luck, our efforts can hardly bring success. For me, when the opportunity comes is called luck, it is not necessarily created from effort, and taking advantage of the opportunity to achieve success is due to our efforts. Every successful person needs these 2 factors, I don't believe anyone can achieve success without luck, although effort is more appreciated and vice versa. No one can succeed without trade-offs or without effort.

all of that is true but know that everything is in line and the beginning is effort, if there is no effort how could there be chance and luck.
I don't believe in any of that, I believe in myself, when I want and get up to start trying then opportunity and luck will accompany it.
get up and try if you want to be successful, don't ever expect anything if you don't create it yourself.

Like I said, I have not seen anyone succeed without trade-offs, if someone gets rich without effort, they will have to trade with all they have. Success and wealth don't just fall from the sky. And I agree with you, if we want to achieve something, we need to stand up and work hard to get there.
But if you say you don't believe in anything but yourself, I disagree. I don't believe anyone can succeed without anyone's help. No one can be alone, go to success alone, and stand on top of glory without help. When you succeed, there will always be someone to accompany you.

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[Raflesia]

Well, in this case, conditions like that can still happen, but on the other hand, talking about looking for opportunities beforehand, I might focus on this because of course we also have to be aware that I won't mention that it was luck, but the result of the hard work that he had previously built.
You said that your brother has a high spirit of hard work and when he gets a big project and succeeds there it is not luck but the result he has learned from previous hard work.
I was often told by my parents "what you plant is what you pick" in this case I actually think that is what was meant. when you are lazy then indeed success will not come by itself, even though it may exist but the ratio is very small and it can only be counted on fingers. but it's different from us looking for and taking advantage of all the momentum with continuous effort, so indirectly we go straight to the success that comes our way.

......And sometimes what you might plant might not even get picked in the end and it just goes -poof- gone. Same goes for some other people's dreams that they dreamed the most. You just gotta suck it up that everything will not always go your way.
Your race, your birth place, your luck overall will affect on the probability of you getting what you wanted. It's just the broken reality there, bud. I can recall some seniors in my workplace being praised while just sitting their ass off without doing anything for 9 hours almost.

It is one of the other possibilities but in this case when talking about success there must be a lot of obstacles there regardless of anything something like that will definitely happen because indeed when we do everything other than there are obstacles in the process there will definitely be competitors so in this is as much as possible relationships are also needed and I think when the performance we do is good regardless of cheating or not in the end I don't think it will betray the results to be obtained.
When you talk about race or whatever it is that is related to discrimination you should be aware of the environment because of course walking in an unhealthy environment then we will not be healthy forever, right? When your performance is good then the relationship will exist and the choice is yours. You work with people who do nothing and get praised. You have to see whether your environment is healthy or not because in such conditions you also have to rack your brains to survive.

[JeffBrad12]

I too always think that usually the thing that makes many successful are always luck, like many have mentioned coming from a rich family is a blessing on its own and it doesn't just mean you gonna have smoother journey in building your business financially but also you will have more solid foundation and good connection to the important people than every one else, and being lucky enough to come from such family of course everyone would say that's some massive luck right there.
the media always shows us the successful people out there that successfully building their business from scratch but never mentioned their lucky moments, it also gives illusion that there are many people out there compared with the failed ones meanwhile i'm sure there are so many failed people that have tried their best yet still unsuccessful anyway.

[Fara Chan]

Luck can be a factor in your success but hard work matters alot in your life , if you don't work hard for anything how can you expect to get anything even success.
Yes generation wise success is a fact that you get from your forefathers but still I will stand with hardworking people who are self-made.
The people who are born with silver spoons in their mouth don't know the value of success or anything .

I also prefer to settle down, mingle and struggle with hardworking people who never complain because they have been educated independently by their own family environment since birth. But I also don't blame those who are born with a silver spoon in their mouth, because that belongs to their parents and they don't know anything about life either. So it's also important not to blame those who are born with luxury as long as they are not self-aware to fight in their lives as their own parents did in the past or before they were born.

The wise generation is the generation that is able to succeed without expecting an inheritance from their own parents even though the treasure is worthy and he has the right to be expected. But I will appreciate those who are successful independently with their own efforts without expecting help from their own parents even though their parents also have the right to help their children become successful. Because basically every parent does not have the heart to see their child miserable in life.

[n0ne]

Luck is also important along with the hard work and smart work. In my personal experience when we go with our hardwork and smartwork we will be able to be rich and turn successful in life and profession. This takes time, but the luckiest will be able to achieve what we've achieved in a short time period. This is simple as a hero's son getting an opportunity to act in a movie and a common man getting opportunity to act in a movie. The common man need to be lucky or else he should work hard for years and later he can be seen on movies.

[Swordsoffreedom]

I am sure that without luck no one will succeed. But successful people are like that, always conceited and arrogant, always thinking they are good without anyone's help, and do not believe in luck.

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Different parenting styles and family education will give birth to different thoughts, the value of arrogance also refers to the upbringing of their parents, but we also often find poor people who become rich are far more arrogant than children born in business families.

This is not entirely true, I would say it depends on the personality of each person. There are rich people who are very arrogant and extravagant because they always think they have a rich background, even if they fail, they still have another way to get rich quickly. But there are also people who succeed from poverty and are very understanding because they have gone through a lot of suffering and difficulties in life to get where they are today. Therefore, they will always know how to treat others and their subordinates with humility. They understand that scorning and belittling others does not make them more respected.

[fauzan Ichsan]

Luck is also important along with the hard work and smart work. In my personal experience when we go with our hardwork and smartwork we will be able to be rich and turn successful in life and profession. This takes time, but the luckiest will be able to achieve what we've achieved in a short time period. This is simple as a hero's son getting an opportunity to act in a movie and a common man getting opportunity to act in a movie. The common man need to be lucky or else he should work hard for years and later he can be seen on movies.

for us human beings who are religious, success cannot be separated from effort and prayer. after we work hard and smart then the final result will be decisive, beyond our strength. often people do business and plans that have been well laid out, but in the end things don't go according to what was planned. with prayer can make our psychology more stable, so this will provide more optimal work. it's the same with trading, we do everything to be able to control our emotions so we can think healthy

[Call_Me_Guru]

'Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity' - seneca

I believe luck is important, but if you haven't done the groundwork you won't be able to take advantage of/leverage it when it comes

You don't have to be prepared to jam luck, the luck can in addition help your weakness to make you sufficient for the task ahead. I would not support as the Op's makes title the heading look but the information contained is good. Luck can not be the fundamental, effort should be, but the luck can be added to it. You can not be a useless and think luck will just work for you like that. You have to get prepared and know what to do when you are offered a task. This is where you get prepared and let the opportunity and luck do the rest.

Those how think it is about working all the time in the hard way that success is made may want to rethink, success can come through any means and you may be less qualified but luck will help out.

[ancafe]

This is not entirely true, I would say it depends on the personality of each person. There are rich people who are very arrogant and extravagant because they always think they have a rich background, even if they fail, they still have another way to get rich quickly.

In the previous post I said that it depends on their family's upbringing and most of them will end up with a parenting style that is fully provided by their parents and this parenting style is what makes them understand how to respect others and not be arrogant. Of course it does not guarantee that everyone can behave well for those who are born in rich families or those who struggle to earn wealth with their efforts and hard work. Education is important so that they are able to respect everyone, both employees and anyone with whom they have a relationship.

The last point you mentioned about the rich thinking that even if they fail they have a chance to struggle again because their parents had a lot of capital will also end up failing, the concept is not how much capital they have but how they can thrive. Without a vision and mission, any business that they develop will end in failure, because they do not have a concept in developing the business they are living.

But there are also people who succeed from poverty and are very understanding because they have gone through a lot of suffering and difficulties in life to get where they are today. Therefore, they will always know how to treat others and their subordinates with humility. They understand that scorning and belittling others does not make them more respected.

Back to the upbringing factor and indeed not everyone is the same, both rich people who are inherited by their parents and rich people who struggle with their hard work, are arrogant and like to belittle other people are a form of disrespect for oneself and because of this this is the factor that will destroy them. The point is I see how someone has ethics, empathy and mutual respect for one another, when the parenting they receive is good then I'm sure they will behave well to everyone.

[AicecreaME]

I disagree.

It's the combination of both actually. You cannot be lucky most of the time, so you still need effort. For example, you cannot make your business big if what you're doing always is just sleeping and not planning anything, you need to put some effort to make a plan, financial management, and of course hiring suitable employees.

If you're going to make luck as your everyday excuse, then you're not going anywhere.

[puloweh555]

Indeed, the factor (luck) has a key role, they were born destined that way, maybe everyone's skill, skill, big name can do it, but it's the luck factor that makes the difference. However, don't rely too much on luck saying ah he got lucky, I didn't. luck is indeed possible but once in a while successful people don't just rely on luck, but definitely through planning, must have extraordinary skills and have a very extraordinary vision and mission for the future.

As with successful people like Steve Job and Warren Buffet, they said in one of their interviews that success is due to luck. Actually they say that because they just want to humble themselves, basically because they have above average skills and have a vision and mission.

[molsewid]

I disagree, in my own opinion hardwork and effort is the key to success. It just so happen that some people that you call them lucky is that is their season of winning, I believe that everyone of us has its own timeline and season what works for them sometimes doesn't work for us or sometimes it helps other people but not us. Maybe luck could be applied to gambling but in overall success, I did not agree.

[Quidat]

I disagree.

It's the combination of both actually. You cannot be lucky most of the time, so you still need effort. For example, you cannot make your business big if what you're doing always is just sleeping and not planning anything, you need to put some effort to make a plan, financial management, and of course hiring suitable employees.

If you're going to make luck as your everyday excuse, then you're not going anywhere.

Its actually both and basing on my own opinion then it would be having that partition of 90% hardwork and 10% luck if we do speak about mixing it up which it would really be still having that
possible outcome but mostly it would really be pertaining about hard work because everything couldnt really be ending up successful if you arent really that wise on how to handle up your business.
You cant totally rely in speaking about business or other similar venture on which you would really be just depending on how lucky you are.This isnt really a gambling game on which you do
put up some money and just let the  rest works for you which we know that it cant be that possible or something a realistic approach. For those people who do say that they are just
that lucky then dont believe it, it is really just that this one shows that you have done the best thing for you to reach out that success on what  you are dealing with.

[serjent05]

Luck is also important along with the hard work and smart work. In my personal experience when we go with our hardwork and smartwork we will be able to be rich and turn successful in life and profession. This takes time, but the luckiest will be able to achieve what we've achieved in a short time period.

Are you talking about jackpot winners of lottery or other gambling-related activities?

This is simple as a hero's son getting an opportunity to act in a movie and a common man getting opportunity to act in a movie. The common man need to be lucky or else he should work hard for years and later he can be seen on movies.

I think the other way around.  The hero's son is lucky because he got the backup of his father's influence while the common man needs to work hard and do more effort to be recognized by the talent manager.

Regardless success is always determined by the effort made and not by the so-called luck factor because in the business world, luck can't produce goods or services, only hard effort do.

[WillyAp]

'Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity' - seneca
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Totally correct he was/is. Preparation is the king