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January 30, 2023, 01:47:17 PM
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I think the statement that the house always wins in gambling was said because of the commission. I always thought that was the meaning of this sentence. Because casinos sell us a service and they get a commission for that service... Still, I think there are ways to beat them. If we manage to control our emotions a little and luck is on our side, of course we can beat them. I don't think this is impossible, but it's not easy either. That's why we should always make careful moves without losing control.

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January 30, 2023, 02:04:03 PM
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Imagine yourself as a new gambler who just joined a casino, played a few dollars and with luck on your side, you win money running into thousands of dollars, will withdrawing your money plus winnings from that casino, never to return there to play again, mean you have beaten that casino?

The question is, will it stop here? I mean, I may not return to the casino where I win big in my first try, but I may come to other casinos in order to try to get the same experience. It will be useless if I can leave from one site but continue gambling in other sites. If I can stop it 100% without moving to other casinos, I would not say that I've beaten the house but I've beaten myself. If I can do such thing means that I can control myself for a better thing.
Another question I guess is, what if you lose on your first try, what will you do then? It seems like winning is an easy thing to do as being pointed out in this topic, unfortunately, it is not. Also, when is the right time to stop and move then? I agree. There would be that drive to continue as long as you are winning given how hard it is to come up with such result. Or what if you move and it happened that your winnings turned into loss? Gambling is not an easy activity. Winning is never certain and losing is almost part of the game. Also, a house won't be beaten just because you won on their platform; just imagine how many players are losing and also, no matter if you won or not, a gambling house will have its part.

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January 30, 2023, 03:00:48 PM
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Another question I guess is, what if you lose on your first try, what will you do then? It seems like winning is an easy thing to do as being pointed out in this topic
Keep gambling until he make money, even he need to use all of his money in banks and taking a loan Cheesy sooner or later he will become an addict after doing this.

There's no such always win in the first try and it doesn't mean you will always lose when you use your profit to gamble, after all it depends on how much you have gamble, how much you earn the return and how good is your luck.

Usually the first winning is small and it's a peanut for the casino, so there's nothing to worry for the casino to pay the small winning, there's always a high roller will keep gambling.

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January 30, 2023, 03:30:17 PM
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Remember it is said that, in gambling, the house always wins, I Want us to look at this two scenarios and tell if this are not actually a way to win/beat the house..
The two scenarios you mentioned beat the house, although both have happened and done so, to my judgment and knowledge, if someone who has been involved in gambling, rarely do I find and see gamblers who do things like that, what I often find is that they go on and on and keep getting involved in gambling until they are actually beaten by the dealer/house.

The fact is, where I often see someone winning at a certain gambling site, they take all their winning money for the purpose of not visiting the casino again for certain reasons, but in reality they still visit other brands of casinos, for another reason they can produce even more wins, instead they end up with real losses, whether it's greed or something else, the fact is that the house is still number one in winning.

But what your mentioned, I don't mind this, maybe you could say the ratio is 100/1, if there is, let's say it exists and it's real, but I don't see my friends or I personally succeed in doing that.

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January 30, 2023, 03:41:04 PM
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On the first scenario, id say no and for me I think it's only safe to say that the house or the casino has been beaten when they stop operating due to bankruptcy cause by the players winning a lot. So, it means you shouldn't only be the one who must win but all or majority of the players too.

On the second scenario, I think this was only the same as the first but you only add a reason on what did that gambler do next after quitting playing on a casino however I do like this initiative. This must be the thing that a gambler must do after winning a lot. That is to use the money on something valuable and it doesn't really matter if they are a new gambler or not.
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January 30, 2023, 03:41:34 PM
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Isn't spending the money betting on casino better than lodging in a hotel and going for music concerts with the money? What's the probability that the business will thrive to making the person more money. Gambling is everything in life, buying a bottle of wine is like gambling, the difference is that gambling sometimes pays us back for having fun. You'll see people happy for having the best weekend vacation, and sad for losing $100 in gambling. What's the difference? Gambling is not a place to secure fast money, once a person starts seeing gambling as OP suggest, they may end up being frustrated by the house. Because the house knows what they're doing. So, running away with the profits makes no difference, nothing stops the person from starting a business while gamble at same time with few bucks to test the waters of luck.

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January 30, 2023, 08:51:49 PM
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Hi gamblers, it's a simple question I want to ask...

Remember it is said that, in gambling, the house always wins, I Want us to look at this two scenarios and tell if this are not actually a way to win/beat the house..

Imagine yourself as a new gambler who just joined a casino, played a few dollars and with luck on your side, you win money running into thousands of dollars, will withdrawing your money plus winnings from that casino, never to return there to play again, mean you have beaten that casino?

Secondly, imagine that on your first day of gambling, you gambled $200 and in the process, won money running into hundreds of thousands of dollars, you withdraw the money and start up your own business, and never returned to gambling again, isn't this one way to beat the house?
My answer is simple: Don't use strategy if you want to beat the house, that's why the newbies usually win when they start gambling of a game they have no idea about. Once you get used to certain games, rules and so on, you start to build strategies to beat the house and that's where the mistake is made. Then, again our mind tells us to do martingale and it's a dead point.
By the way, if you or anyone could beat the house, then casinos wouldn't exist. If anyone would ever be capable to beat it, would be top-notch mathematicians but failed too cause they can't break the rule of math, one plus one will always remain two.

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January 30, 2023, 10:04:07 PM
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Isn't spending the money betting on casino better than lodging in a hotel and going for music concerts with the money? What's the probability that the business will thrive to making the person more money. Gambling is everything in life, buying a bottle of wine is like gambling, the difference is that gambling sometimes pays us back for having fun. You'll see people happy for having the best weekend vacation, and sad for losing $100 in gambling. What's the difference? Gambling is not a place to secure fast money, once a person starts seeing gambling as OP suggest, they may end up being frustrated by the house. Because the house knows what they're doing. So, running away with the profits makes no difference, nothing stops the person from starting a business while gamble at same time with few bucks to test the waters of luck.

The difference is that no matter how crazy you party, there's no way you can spend the same amount of money in a normal holiday compared to going to a casino and gambling.

You can literally lose all your savings in a single night at the casino.

It doesn't matter if you book the most expensive hotel, drink the most expensive alcohol, and get the most expensive meal, all of that will be cheaper than an all out night at the casino.
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January 30, 2023, 10:46:34 PM
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Isn't spending the money betting on casino better than lodging in a hotel and going for music concerts with the money? What's the probability that the business will thrive to making the person more money. Gambling is everything in life, buying a bottle of wine is like gambling, the difference is that gambling sometimes pays us back for having fun. You'll see people happy for having the best weekend vacation, and sad for losing $100 in gambling. What's the difference? Gambling is not a place to secure fast money, once a person starts seeing gambling as OP suggest, they may end up being frustrated by the house. Because the house knows what they're doing. So, running away with the profits makes no difference, nothing stops the person from starting a business while gamble at same time with few bucks to test the waters of luck.

The difference is that no matter how crazy you party, there's no way you can spend the same amount of money in a normal holiday compared to going to a casino and gambling.

You can literally lose all your savings in a single night at the casino.

It doesn't matter if you book the most expensive hotel, drink the most expensive alcohol, and get the most expensive meal, all of that will be cheaper than an all out night at the casino.
There's no such thing as unlimited funds even how millionaire or billionaire you are which its true that when you do go into a casino then you could literally lost everything considering on how things been doing on

these places which betting up even your own house or own car could really happen.This is why its better to be wary in regarding into your actions towards gambling.
You should know on how to stop when you are in profits and you should know on when to quit when you are in losing streaks.

You shouldnt really be that too impulsive towards gambling and never make those funds or winnings lost up again into the house.

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The question is, will it stop here? I mean, I may not return to the casino where I win big in my first try, but I may come to other casinos in order to try to get the same experience. It will be useless if I can leave from one site but continue gambling in other sites. If I can stop it 100% without moving to other casinos, I would not say that I've beaten the house but I've beaten myself. If I can do such thing means that I can control myself for a better thing.

After winning that huge amount, it's impossible for some not to miss that feeling of being excited again to experience it again and again.

These people will eventually continue and return to gambling after winning big as they like to repeat that scenario where they won big.

That's the purpose of the house, to provide winning at the early session of a new user to manipulate their mind that winning big in a casino is easy, not realizing that that early winning is just the start of being lured into the trap.

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January 30, 2023, 11:59:15 PM
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My answer is simple: Don't use strategy if you want to beat the house, that's why the newbies usually win when they start gambling of a game they have no idea about.

Because in the first place, there's no strategy that can beat the house.

What we need to do is take advantage of our winnings once the house gives it to us. Rather than aggressively continue playing, take a break and enjoy our winnings then up to us if we will gamble some extras on that winnings.

Generally, a bankroll strategy needs to practice more rather than thinking of beating the house.
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January 31, 2023, 02:14:35 AM
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If a gambler can really win a lot of money in a short time and the casino allows him to withdraw the winnings without much requirement, that gambler should withdraw the winnings as soon as possible and not return to the casino.
It will be a big win for the gambler because he can play quickly to get the win and withdraw the money.
But unfortunately, that would only fuel his greed and he would have wanted more wins and he could have just started betting bigger stakes.
Maybe only a few gamblers can take advantage of the moment of victory by withdrawing their winnings and leaving the casino but others will keep on betting until their winnings are gone.

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Hi gamblers, it's a simple question I want to ask...

Remember it is said that, in gambling, the house always wins, I Want us to look at this two scenarios and tell if this are not actually a way to win/beat the house..

Imagine yourself as a new gambler who just joined a casino, played a few dollars and with luck on your side, you win money running into thousands of dollars, will withdrawing your money plus winnings from that casino, never to return there to play again, mean you have beaten that casino?
if you can manage to just deposit, play then win and go out without turning back? meaning not trying to win again in the next days?

but for me ? this is how casino designs their gaming specially in online gambling that mostly they are letting us believe in beginners luck knowing that sooner we will try beating them again and will followed addiction.

maybe I am wrong but in my own experience? yeah I knew that.

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Secondly, imagine that on your first day of gambling, you gambled $200 and in the process, won money running into hundreds of thousands of dollars, you withdraw the money and start up your own business, and never returned to gambling again, isn't this one way to beat the house?

you beat the house on both scenario mate and that is indeed, but like what I said above? not sure if this is truly happening , you will always seek for gambling as you have already experience EASY MONEY .

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It depends on how you interpret it. If you only consider yourself, then you're winning. With luck, you indeed beat the house.

But I think this is not what is meant by "the house always wins." When you won against the house, what happened to the casino? For sure you didn't bring it down. On the contrary, it actually continued to make money as if what it paid you is nothing. This is what is meant by "the house always wins." All the money that is paid to all winners actually dwarfs in comparison to all the money spent by all gamblers. And that's because "the house always wins."
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Basically, you did but at the end of the day, while you won, majority is losing so the house is still in profit. So, beating the house is close to impossible by the majority to the point where it's safe to say that house is unbeatable. Look at the growth of the gambling business to this day. Those casinos that lose or have been closed especially online have a limited bankroll.

My answer is simple: Don't use strategy if you want to beat the house, that's why the newbies usually win when they start gambling of a game they have no idea about. Once you get used to certain games, rules and so on, you start to build strategies to beat the house and that's where the mistake is made. Then, again our mind tells us to do martingale and it's a dead point.
By the way, if you or anyone could beat the house, then casinos wouldn't exist. If anyone would ever be capable to beat it, would be top-notch mathematicians but failed too cause they can't break the rule of math, one plus one will always remain two.
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if you can manage to just deposit, play then win and go out without turning back? meaning not trying to win again in the next days?
If a gambler win and let's say able to withdraw his money right after, the chances are he will return back because of the good experience he had in the particular casino. So the eagerness for him to maximize his profit is there (probably most of us already experience this kind of situation). Maybe there are gamblers who did quit but not for the reason they win huge for the first time but because of frequent losses and want to move on. Anyway, its a human nature to be greedy sometimes and it depends for each of us on how we handle it.

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January 31, 2023, 03:45:10 AM
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Hi gamblers, it's a simple question I want to ask...

Remember it is said that, in gambling, the house always wins, I Want us to look at this two scenarios and tell if this are not actually a way to win/beat the house..

Imagine yourself as a new gambler who just joined a casino, played a few dollars and with luck on your side, you win money running into thousands of dollars, will withdrawing your money plus winnings from that casino, never to return there to play again, mean you have beaten that casino?

Secondly, imagine that on your first day of gambling, you gambled $200 and in the process, won money running into hundreds of thousands of dollars, you withdraw the money and start up your own business, and never returned to gambling again, isn't this one way to beat the house?

Well, without a doubt those scenarios you have on the list, beat the house, but the real question is, can you stop gambling when you feel lucky? I mean doubling/multiplying your money in gambling is way quicker than putting up a new business lol.
I personally have never heard of someone before who hits big time jackpot and left the casinos right after for the rest of their lives to focus on business. Except for the lotteries, but some winners do still buy tickets after hitting the jackpot though.

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It depends on how you interpret it. If you only consider yourself, then you're winning. With luck, you indeed beat the house.

But I think this is not what is meant by "the house always wins." When you won against the house, what happened to the casino? For sure you didn't bring it down. On the contrary, it actually continued to make money as if what it paid you is nothing. This is what is meant by "the house always wins." All the money that is paid to all winners actually dwarfs in comparison to all the money spent by all gamblers. And that's because "the house always wins."

It is simply that the casino is based on the big numbers not on what the OP does or doesn't do.

He could apply the same argument to the lottery. If someone wins €100M on the Euromillions, can we consider that they have beaten the house?

The answer is no, because the lottery only allocates 50% in prizes, so even though you have won €100M they have already kept their juicy 50% of the total proceeds.

Therefore, the house always wins.

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I don't believe in this type of processes are going on in casinos. Obviously you can strike a win and stop playing at that point. It is completely up to you. But in my opinion you would only deceive yourself. I am pretty sure house at casinos have various methods that secure their profits. Handing you out like 2000 usd win will be nothing for them as a loss. Its better to discipline yourself to stop gambling. You can develop yourself and not get addicted.
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He could apply the same argument to the lottery. If someone wins €100M on the Euromillions, can we consider that they have beaten the house?

The answer is no, because the lottery only allocates 50% in prizes, so even though you have won €100M they have already kept their juicy 50% of the total proceeds.


Not to mention how much they have earned before they manage to make that 100M bank. It only looks that it is hard for casinos to earn those millions to create a juicy jackpot. With all that "5-10 EUR is nothing, I am gonna buy a new lottery card", their total bank fills quickly. One trading spot probably sells 20-30 cards daily. That is like 200 EUR from one spot, and trading spots are at every every shop, at every cash desk. Quite a hefty daily income. And people with their "I've bough a lottery card for 10, got lucky and 50, cash out and hit and run" are laughable. Cant beat the system, cant beat the house. 

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