Discrimination against bounty hunters

[knowngunman]

Although I am not a bounty hunter and I don't think I will be one at least for now but a thorough observation reveals to me that bounty hunters and those who post in altcoins are being considered as unserious fellows. The baffling thing is that the managers (mostly high rank members) who bring the work (bounty) received praises and merits but on the other hand, the participants (mostly low ranking members) who participates in the bounties are being regarded as a non serious members and money mongers. This is purely hypocrisy! If I may ask.... Why is the altcoins board and bounty section created in the first place if those who participate in it are look down upon? Why are managers still bringing bounties despite bashing the participants of not contributing to the forum positively aside bounties? What will happen if all or majority of the bounty participants stop participating? How do you all expect the managers to survive without having those to participate in the work they bring? A reputable manager Julerz12 just confessed that he has no side work aside managing a campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433643.msg61569155#msg61569155). How do you expect the likes of him to cope with daily living if hunters decide not to participate in bounty again? Do you think project teams will keep on paying managers without seeing impact of promotion? How can people be aware of new and upcoming projects without bounties? Unless the above questions are answered honestly and without bias then I don't think it is even necessary to look down on them.
I think we have two options here.
Firstly, If the forum doesn't like their activities, I think it would make sense to remove the entire bounty section so we all can focus on improving the forum as we claim to preach and overlook the repercussion it will cause to those affected and secondly, if the forum can not remove the section then it is necessary to tolerate their actions and allow the managers to deal with spammers. Unless it is technical, I don't see how ordinary and normal discussions improve the forum as we claim. We choose not to participate in bounties but they choose to. Let respect their choice.
I stand to be corrected anyway if my submission is not accurate.

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[CoinEraser]

I think bounty campaigns just have a bad reputation as there are many scam bountys and many people who participate have more than one account. Therefore they have a bad reputation, although certainly not all are bad.

People who take part are certainly not discriminated against across the board, in my opinion. These people can also make a good contribution to the forum if they want to. Just because you participate in a bounty campaign, you can still make good posts or help other people in the forum.

Unfortunately, the majority of bounty participants are only interested in how they can make money. They don't want to help other people or make good contributions. Therefore they usually have more than one account. When you find these people who have more than one account and are cheating on both good and bad bounty campaigns, it is more than fair to punish such people. But that has nothing to do with discrimination.

Bounty campaigns are both a curse and a blessing for the forum. Therefore, you should not remove them from the forum. At least that's my opinion on it. 

[Eternad]

Such a lengthy post but I don’t see the proof of discrimination towards bounty hunter here. I once bounty hunter and just improve my post to participate signature campaign on Bitcoin service board. I never experienced any discrimination during my bounty hunter days. I’m wondering what kind of discrimination you can get by just participating on campaign without doing any shit work here in forum.

Maybe some people here generalized bounty hunter as shit poster because most of the bounty hunter is indeed shit poster if you check their post quality. If you are just doing fine, You can just ignored those comment about bounty hunter if you are not the one who’s being addressed.

[Z-tight]

The forum is as free as possible, if anybody wants to be a bounty hunter, it is up to them and the admin are not going to stop people from participating in bounties, but when people say they are not contributing positively to the forum, that is very correct. This is a discussion forum, and the 'work' that most bounty hunters do is outside of the forum, they only use the forum to post reports of what they did on other platforms, meaning they are not involved in any discussion in the forum. If everyone in the forum was posting only bounty reports, the forum would be a pile of shit right now. Members can do bounties if they like, but don't argue that it isn't a positive to the forum.

Unless it is technical, I don't see how ordinary and normal discussions improve the forum as we claim.

It improves the forum because that is what the forum is for, there are other sides to BTC than its technical aspect. E.G guding newbies how to store their BTC, helping to answer questions, and warning that centralized exchanges aren't banks, etc, all aren't technical discussions, but they are important and worthy to be discussed, and way better than posting only bounty reports.

[NeuroticFish]

I stand to be corrected anyway if my submission is not accurate.

Your "submission" is, first of all, a wall of text. If you want to be taken seriously you should start with making posts that can be read effortlessly.

Then, your premises are incorrect. The fact that it's especially lower rank members jumping in without second thought into bounties is their own fault. If they would not be so keen to see posting as a means of income and just use the forum as a forum (and see the income for their posts as a bonus) then everything would be better. But that comes with experience, and with experience the better rank also is there.

So imho the participants are looked down upon because of their own behavior.
Plus, it's not the bounty managers those who bring new bounties. It's the various projects and businesses. The bounty managers only manage all that.
You have so many questions it's difficult to answer them all. I wish the bounty hunters come to their senses someday and think before joining to campaigns. Maybe some campaign managers will have tough days for a while, but afterwards the things may get better: better managers, meaningful payments, better rules too ... because I expect huge levels of meaningless posts in those campaigns.

Unless it is technical, I don't see how ordinary and normal discussions improve the forum as we claim.

I've seen plenty of meaningful discussions without being technical. The fact you don't see that, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
This being said, I think that your... proposals are based on incorrect fundaments, but I admit, I didn't read carefully every word you've written.

Plus, I don't understand your problem:
* Is it that some bounty hunters are not being accepted to campaigns? Well, maybe better ones got accepted and the (limited!) places got filled?
* Is it that they spam too much? Report the spam at sight!
* Is it that some bounty hunters or bounty managers see this as a daily job? It's a risk they take and it can easily turn bad. But it's their choice.


This is a forum. You know, a place people discuss.. preferably about bitcoin and altcoins. Somehow far too many keep forgetting that... sadly.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I would argue. Since I often watch bounty sections, I can say that if we see accounts honestly participating in bounties that do not violate any rules, no one will ever accuse them of being useless. I will say more. You are not speaking here in a completely quiet tone, but with some kind of pretension. But what can you say about the fact that it is allowed to have several accounts here? Is this discrimination?

Yes, participation in a bounty from one account will not bring a lot of money, and most often it will not bring anything. But bounty hunters are so greedy that when they have multiple accounts, they don't know how to handle them properly. I'm more than sure that everyone who participates in the bounty has several accounts, but some are so stupid that you just can't close your eyes to them.

Therefore, lower your ardor and the role of Robinhood. There are rules; if you please, follow them. Tell me, on what other forum can I participate with several accounts and at the same time receive some money?

[LoyceMobile]

I don't like spammers, which includes bounty spammers. If you want to call that discrimination, I'm fine with that.

[Findingnemo]

FYI, forum treats everyone same either they are bounty hunters or High quality poster cause the same rules applies for everyone no matter what. And I can't say everything in the Altcoin board is completely spams there are very few which has actual discussion is going on but compared to number of those Post with the posts made only for completing the campaign post requirement quota then it comes anywhere near.

[examplens]

Why is the altcoins board and bounty section created in the first place if those who participate in it are look down upon?

Firstly, If the forum doesn't like their activities, I think it would make sense to remove the entire bounty section

the bounty section was created to keep spammers in one place. before the separation of the bounty section, it was almost impossible to have a constructive discussion, especially in ANN threads.

Why are managers still bringing bounties despite bashing the participants of not contributing to the forum positively aside bounties?

Not everyone who manages a bounty campaign is a manager. only a few of them will refuse to run a campaign if they think it is a potential scam project.
and the answer to your question is that they are greedy, like most bounty hunters.

What will happen if all or majority of the bounty participants stop participating?

I would like to see that.

Do you think project teams will keep on paying managers without seeing impact of promotion?

most of those "projects" are just rubbish and just try to get easy money. the effectiveness of the bounty campaign is not that important to them.
if we look at the fact that 99% of projects are scams, then hunters can be considered as accomplices in fraud.

How can people be aware of new and upcoming projects without bounties?

The bounty program is just a small part of marketing promotion. things happened even before that and there are various other ways of promotion. The mass opening of bounty campaigns, where the participants are automated multi-accounts, led to a complete drop in the quality of this kind of promotion.
ask yourself about the quality of what hunters offer with posts like "nice project", "good job"...

We choose not to participate in bounties but they choose to. Let respect their choice.
I stand to be corrected anyway if my submission is not accurate.

it's hard to give them respect because they appear everywhere with their empty stories just to fill the campaign quota. if they only stuck to their sections, no one would have a problem with them.

[logfiles]

It has nothing to do with discrimination. The truth is, most bounty hunters are just spammers, cheats involving bots and farms of accounts owned by a few individuals.
Haven't you seen posts made by bots?
Even when the bounty campaign has ended, they still continue posting Proof of authentication posts and reports. How can you not feel bad about such?

[Saisher]

Although I am not a bounty hunter and I don't think I will be one at least for now but a thorough observation reveals to me that bounty hunters and those who post in altcoins are being considered as unserious fellows.

If you're not a bounty hunter why the concern, why are you not concern on the spam these bots are created in the forum

Firstly, If the forum doesn't like their activities, I think it would make sense to remove the entire bounty section so we all can focus on improving the forum as we claim to preach and overlook the repercussion it will cause to those affected and secondly, if the forum can not remove the section then it is necessary to tolerate their actions and allow the managers to deal with spammers. Unless it is technical, I don't see how ordinary and normal discussions improve the forum as we claim. We choose not to participate in bounties but they choose to. Let respect their choice.
I stand to be corrected anyway if my submission is not accurate.

I am also a bounty hunter but compared to some bounty hunters they only post their reports they never roam around to check other sections and contribute to the discussion and many of them are not checking the project that they are promoting, I've seen bounty campaigns where bounty hunters continue posting their reports even though the campaign was tagged as a scam project, some accounts are bots all they care here is joining a campaign and creating reports, this is a forum and as a member it's your duty to contribute to discussions

[Pandu Geddon]

there is no discrimination on accounts joining the bounty campaign. what makes the difference is the spam post that is done. and I guess when you see that kind of spam and report it to the moderators, then it's over. moderators will take care of it.
not all accounts joining the bounty campaign are low ranked ones. those who join the signature bounty campaign also rank highly. it's just that such a campaign is very limited. I will not talk about other bounty campaigns. because most of the accounts that join do not make other posts outside of the bounty thread.

[rat03gopoh]

OP, pls don't overjudge. In essence, high-rank members care about hunters even if they're sometimes too discriminatory (sorry about that), judgmental, rectifying, or defensive. So, that's how things are going around forum folks.

How do you all expect the managers to survive without having those to participate in the work they bring?

It's actually a personal choice and I think all managers know that there is no type of job in this forum that deserves to be the main job.

[YOSHIE]

If I may ask....

You ask and discriminate too much, are all the questions important to you, then what's in it for you.

Just short.
• Altcoin/Bounty Board including crypto section, Bitcointalk didn't put it on the front, you are wrong to see Altcoin Board is the deepest and tip, Bitcoin discussion board is the main one, if you double check, not Altcoin/Bounty.
Participants are looked down upon, because they are stubborn, don't follow the manager's written rules, they like to do spam, instead of promoting campaign ads well, they do multi and spam. not all of them are looked down upon, many are considered authoritative and great.

• Participants who don't want to participate or stop in the Bounty campaign, that's a good thing, if it happens, Fact I don't see that right happening, they are like bees into the hive, if there is a new Bounty.
Let's say what you said happens, we will see companies will hire participants with Bitcoin fees, not with scam tokens, isn't that better.

I can only conclude two questions, in my opinion the other questions, more personal/individual in nature and more attacking towards someone, may not need to be answered.

[knowngunman]

Wow! I'm really impressed with the responds and clarification from you all though it seems some people are misunderstanding the post. I clearly stated in my post that I stand to be corrected and tbh I have been schooled.

[Woodie]

Discrimination Wrong choice of words mate!

Truth be told, most users doing the bounty hunting hardly contribute towards the forum by engaging in a meaningful conversation, it's all about social media posts, eth addresses, and in some cases plagiarism! I suppose this is among the reasons such bounty hunters are easily classed as spammers, and of course not all of them fall into this bracket.

What will happen if all or majority of the bounty participants stop participating?

This one is easy, the forum will have less spam

A reputable manager Julerz12 just confessed that he has no side work aside managing a campaign

You didnt have to drag his name into this because you were making a discrimination case and this kind of moves away from the topic at hand..

Firstly, If the forum doesn't like their activities, I think it would make sense to remove the entire bounty section so we all can focus on improving the forum as we claim to preach and overlook the repercussion it will cause to those affected and secondly, if the forum can not remove the section then it is necessary to tolerate their actions and allow the managers to deal with spammers.

So many great projects have come from that section of the forum & it's serving its purpose well if you ask me...Btw this also clearly shows that the problem isn't the board.. its the user's appetite for greed that has contributed towards the spam which many frown upon and has left a bad name for that board. Its about time users explored other parts of the forum as bitcointalk isn't only about bounty hunting.

[stompix]

What will happen if all or majority of the bounty participants stop participating?
How do you all expect the managers to survive without having those to participate in the work they bring?
Do you think project teams will keep on paying managers without seeing impact of promotion?
How can people be aware of new and upcoming projects without bounties?

What will happen if all countries ban cryptos and prices plunge to zero?
What will happen if Theymos is arrested and the forum is seized?
What will happen if Satoshi comes back and says this is Bitcointalk, not Altcoins talk, and trashes the entire section?
What if Musk decided that all those accounts involved in bounties are against the ToS and bans every single one that is caught spamming 100 posts a day?
How have 7 billion survived to date without bounties, how is the entire world still spinning around even if "projects" are fewer and fewer and the payments lower and lower? You have some really weird egocentric view where you think this is the only way for things to still go on and the only way for some people to cling to hope for the better and a "raison de vivre". Well, it's not!

As for how can people be aware of new projects, hmm, how many bounties has Satoshi run for Bitcoin? Has Ethereum also run a bounty here?
We have 398 pages of bounties, do you think you can make more than one page of topics of coins that are still alive out of those?
You see, anyone can fire one hundred questions just as you did, do you have an answer for all of them?!

Let respect their choice.

Respect is earned, not given!
LE just to make sure:
A guy that wakes up at 4 am for the crappy low-paying job he has and does this every day without bickering once has all my respect, a guy that makes clicks 100 times a day and demands respect for that will not have any of it!

[robelneo]

Wow! I'm really impressed with the responds and clarification from you all though it seems some people are misunderstanding the post. I clearly stated in my post that I stand to be corrected and tbh I have been schooled.

You could have just gotten the fact instead of creating a thread like this, so many bounty hunters do not contribute to the health of this forum, a forum is a place of discussion and learning I would like to give you an example

See this profile I did not include the username but do check his activity how can a member of this forum had
1169 posts, 392 activity, has 0 merits he is still a newbie because he has no intention or motivation to rank up because those over 1000 posts are all bounty reports.

[Doan9269]

Although I am not a bounty hunter and I don't think I will be one at least for now but a thorough observation reveals to me that bounty hunters and those who post in altcoins are being considered as unserious fellows. The baffling thing is that the managers (mostly high rank members) who bring the work (bounty) received praises and merits but on the other hand, the participants (mostly low ranking members) who participates in the bounties are being regarded as a non serious members and money mongers.

Let me be frank with you here that you're wrong from the perspective of how you're addressing this, show me one bounty hunter who has good profile on his post history that never get merited and i will admit then that you're right, wjen it's been said that most of them were spammers doesn't mean all were, if you also consider them to be most newbies, they just created account and rush up to join bounties which you dare not try that with signature campaign.

You can't obviously accept a participant that has no good profile to advertise your campaign and work with you, they may be inactive, spammers, trollers or even scammers, as a matter of fact, they also have their respective rules which if you can't afford it's not by force, all what every campaign manager would wanted is a good and active user profile that has interesting contributions, have you ever asked this question as well that why do bounties hunters always have nothing on their profiles than bounty threads?

This is purely hypocrisy!

No, you'd better not be sentimented about this, participating in campaigns is not a right, it's a choice likewise the manager decides who to work with him and not, so don't try to create being bias either.

[AverageGlabella]

I have no problem with members that participate in bounties if they are contributing positively to the forum I hate when members sign up and do not contribute in any topics except for bounties that is just using this forum for personal gain and they are not part of the community. I wish bounties were removed from the forum because except for views they do not offer much to the community. Can 1 of the stats guys get how many active members have posted in a bounty topic but no where else in the last month?