Good Initiative by Royse777!

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I was going through the Services Child board and found that the Yo!Mix Bitcoin Mixer Signature Campaign was Open. As like everyone does I also went through it and found on the Campaign ANN a new initiative. This new initiative as per my knowledge has not be initiated by any other BM other than @Royse777. I think it is tricky but can get good results. Quoting what he wrote

To prevent AI domination effective from today we are introducing an incentive for forum users. Find AI written posts on this campaign
and report to me either in public or in forum PM, please be sure you have enough reference to support the claim. For successful report
the reporter will receive the weekly payment instead of the accused campaigner. The campaigner will be removed immediately.

I created this thread to know what you guys think about it. Do you feel he/she as in Royse777 will be able to catch those Bounty hunters who are using AI chatbots to earn Bitcoin on a signature campaign managed by him? Will other BMs follow his initiative in the future?

I think it is not impossible but can be made possible if someone knows how to find an AI script for a reply or a topic.

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[Beparanf]

I assuming it’s chat GPT AI. I think it’s possible if someone will carefully check someone statement since AI just use data available on the web. I think a user that using an AI will have a post construction pattern as an AI which is noticeable if you are using the AI app to ask question or do something.

It will be a very hard task to catch them though.

[_BlackStar]

It will be a very hard task to catch them though.

That's why they get paid, and I guess it's worth the effort.
I don't know exactly if the AI ​​posts in question can be recognized as easily as someone catches plagiarism, but there should be a tool that helps users to reveal the AI ​​posts. While I haven't got the tool yet, but maybe someone there knows about it.

[Mpamaegbu]

I had to search the thread out since what you said wasn't linked up to the appropriate thread.
Royse777 had to edit their campaign thread to include it (today, possibly). It's on the OP. Next time do well to link the quote properly for ease of reading for others. It's a good initiative and I think more CMs will want to follow it. I've read a thread where members were decrying the activities of Al in the forum, and now this action by a CM. Once the Al idea come up on the internet last year I knew there would be many who would want to explore the stuff for negative use. Humans are like that; always trying to make bad use of a good innovations.

[tranthidung]

It is a good initiative from Royse777 but points are

• Chance to catch such bad posters in good campaigns is very low. Initially, they must have good post history, posting habit to be accepted by the manager so that they less likely are bad posters and if they are good ones, they won't change their posting habit after were chosen by the manager.
• It's a mutual correlation between good campaign (with good payrate I mean), good manager, good eligible posters and their posts during participating time in the campaign.

Beyond good campaigns, I believe the forum will see more spams from ChatGPT- and others AI-generated contents and in upcoming months, there will be more permanent bans on AI-supported plagiarisms.

[aysg76]

It's good approach to tackle all those spammers who are trying different ways to plagiarise just to earn few merits and can't have their original ideas to be contributed on the forum.I see there are certain things which heps to distinguish between human writing and AI based text generator as there could be some sentences mixup but with ChatGPT the accuracy rate is high which is why it's becoming more popular and used by many at this time.But such things will help atleast some members here to report if they found someone is using these softwares to write their posts and help reduce plagiarism.

Along with it these posts should also be reported in this thread also so that for violating the forum rules they should get account banned also.

I don't know exactly if the AI ​​posts in question can be recognized as easily as someone catches plagiarism, but there should be a tool that helps users to reveal the AI ​​posts. While I haven't got the tool yet, but maybe someone there knows about it.

With such AI based software becoming more popular the tools to detect such text will also come like the OpenAI has launched one such tool but still in the initial phase as reporting accuracy is less at the time

After telegraphing the move in media appearances, OpenAI has launched a tool that attempts to distinguish between human-written and AI-generated text — like the text produced by the company’s own ChatGPT and GPT-3 models. The classifier isn’t particularly accurate — its success rate is around 26%, OpenAI notes — but OpenAI argues that it, when used in tandem with other methods, could be useful in helping prevent AI text generators from being abused.

Source : OpenAI tool

[Little Mouse]

With such AI based software becoming more popular the tools to detect such text will also come like the OpenAI has launched one such tool but still in the initial phase as reporting accuracy is less at the time

This is business lol. Create a problem and sell the solution to the business. If ChatGPT(example in general) wouldn't exist, no AI-generated text wouldn't have existed and we would never be needed that AI text detection tool. Anyway, I don't know how much capable the tool is to detect AI-generated text but I have checked with another tool (forgot the name) and it told me the text is genuine while I generated the text with ChatGPT lol.

[joker_josue]

With such AI based software becoming more popular the tools to detect such text will also come like the OpenAI has launched one such tool but still in the initial phase as reporting accuracy is less at the time

After telegraphing the move in media appearances, OpenAI has launched a tool that attempts to distinguish between human-written and AI-generated text — like the text produced by the company’s own ChatGPT and GPT-3 models. The classifier isn’t particularly accurate — its success rate is around 26%, OpenAI notes — but OpenAI argues that it, when used in tandem with other methods, could be useful in helping prevent AI text generators from being abused.

Source : OpenAI tool

The tool can even be good, but it will only be minimally effective if the user does copy-paste.
I did a test, using the texts provided by the platform, and if you mix a human paragraph with an AI, it validates as not being made by AI.



The initiative is interesting, but it will always be very difficult to catch someone, unless you are really bad at doing that cheat.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Royse777, please accept my rays of respect for you. If all managers make such decisions, everyone who is going to participate in their companies will think a hundred times about whether to trust their posts to ChatGPT or not. In the end, the decision on whether a post was written by a human or a robot will be made by the manager, and accordingly, the participants in his subscription company should make even more efforts, since today's detectors do not always correctly detect even the text written by a person.
In any case, I see that ChatGPT can be discoverable, and Royse777's solution encourages everyone to not only write posts but also carefully read what others write. And this is very good behavior in order for the forum to receive live communication.

[bittraffic]

Bounty manager I think will all have to add this rule to their campaigners. Sounds fair for all because its gonna be cheating if they just use the AI. Its pretty common these days that AI does a lot of things including writing articles and codes. So its not surprising if someone uses AI in the campaigns.

With such AI based software becoming more popular the tools to detect such text will also come like the OpenAI has launched one such tool but still in the initial phase as reporting accuracy is less at the time

This is business lol. Create a problem and sell the solution to the business. If ChatGPT(example in general) wouldn't exist, no AI-generated text wouldn't have existed and we would never be needed that AI text detection tool. Anyway, I don't know how much capable the tool is to detect AI-generated text but I have checked with another tool (forgot the name) and it told me the text is genuine while I generated the text with ChatGPT lol.

Its been encouraged to help mods finding plagiarism but with AI, it makes it difficult for them to identify. Such tools should be useful, I think Theymos can install something like this on Simple machines if is available.

[Lucius]

I think it is tricky but can get good results.

Although some posts may look like they are the work of AI at first glance, how will you prove that they are really the product of an AI Chat? I have tried 5-6 detectors and I am not satisfied with the results, because even very small changes in the entered text can give completely opposite results.

Here is the part of your post that one detector says is even 93% fake.


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[elevates]

This is the part that will get those transactions in indentifying AI abusers.

For successful report the reporter will receive the weekly payment instead of the accused campaigner.

Never underestimate the power of Bitcoin! A truely excellent oppertunity for those who themselves have tried it. I am sure this lucrative offer makes his signature campaign more robust as well as secure if he is able to achive some good results out of it.

What I also fear is that many non English members who use Google translate or any other might get banned. Do guys agree with it?

[m2017]

It will be a very hard task to catch them though.

That's why they get paid, and I guess it's worth the effort.
I don't know exactly if the AI ​​posts in question can be recognized as easily as someone catches plagiarism, but there should be a tool that helps users to reveal the AI ​​posts. While I haven't got the tool yet, but maybe someone there knows about it.

Bounty managers will use another AI an army of bounty hunters for participants to identify and catch AI posters. Genial.

But seriously, how to define this line between human posts and posts made by AI? In some cases, AI posts look more humane than living people. A sensitive situation may arise when a manager mistakenly withdraws an award or kicks him out of a campaign. It seems that soon we will hear a sea of whining.

In general, this is a good initiative. If there is a ban on the use of AI, then this will stop participants from dishonest posting. It is not necessary for the manager to check whether post AI was written or not, but this way he will filter out the crooks and let the community know that he doesn't approve of AI posters.

[tranthidung]

Although some posts may look like they are the work of AI at first glance, how will you prove that they are really the product of an AI Chat? I have tried 5-6 detectors and I am not satisfied with the results, because even very small changes in the entered text can give completely opposite results.

Here is the part of your post that one detector says is even 93% fake.

The initiative of Royse777 is a higher level of plagiarism catching by finding likely AI-generated content and then checking more for text spinning, plagiarism. I think it is what Royse777 wanted with this mini campaign.

I believe if posters are lazy enough to use AI-generated contents, they don't have enough time to mind about text spinning to disguise that those contents are not from AI machines.

[Findingnemo]

It is good initiative as you said but its not going to be an easy job, AI finding tools are ineffective cause with litt8text spinning and adding punctuations here and there will give opposite results so we need something from the Microsoft to say whether its created by ChatGPT or not, Gates is just doing some business.

[joker_josue]

What I also fear is that many non English members who use Google translate or any other might get banned. Do guys agree with it?

Not exactly.
Because the way of writing is quite different. Even so, there may be some danger of this happening, but it will be little.

Proving that AI is used is very difficult, so there has to be very clear evidence for this to happen, not just what is done in a translator.

[Lucius]

@tranthidung, I don't think (like most other members) that this initiative is bad, but as I showed in the example, I don't see that at this moment there is a precise method that can distinguish AI content from what is unique. If the members of that or any other campaign use various AI detectors and report their results to the manager, he will face a very big challenge to distinguish what is a real problem and what is a false detection.

However, this whole thing about AI and its influence on the forum is nothing new, we discussed it back in 2020, and as things stand, we will increasingly doubt whether we are having a discussion with real people or artificial intelligence.

[Welsh]

Please, report low quality posts too. It's all well, and good collecting a reward for this, but how we get to the bottom of it is removing the content from the forum, and potentially punishing any users that are posting absolute crap. I know reporting is a thankless task, but we really do appreciate it. I know the end result might not be want you want, and there sometimes might be disagreement, and unfortunately a lot of users care a lot about their percentage going down, but I'd rather you get 50% of the reports you made handled, than none at all.

Here is the part of your post that one detector says is even 93% fake.

For the most part; these detectors are awful, and can't be relied on. There's better one's out there, but still they're too inconsistent. Currently, I'm trying to wrap my own head around it, since I suspect this will continue to be a problem. I know chatGPT are coming out with their own version, which I'd assume will be much better at detecting it. However, I don't really want to rely on that if I can. Some of the texts are pretty easy to decipher, others can be difficult. Straight up identical copies as they're output from the AI itself, can be identified with a decent amount of certainty though. It's when they're changed it makes it difficult or sometimes the AI can be confused what you've asked it, and generate complete gibberish, those are obviously pretty easy to identify. At the moment, it's considering multiple factors, piecing those together, and then ultimately deciding whether it's AI generated or not.

[nakamura12]

This is indeed a good initiativenkt just to find Ai post but also spam posts. This just proves that some forum members are lazy enough not to write their own post and decided to use AI generated to post. How accurate is it to determine if it really is an AI generated or written by a lersont?. I don't know id there's an AI that makes post that it may looks like it's written by a person. I can only say my opinion since I am not an expert at that.

[NeuroticFish]

This new initiative as per my knowledge has not be initiated by any other BM other than @Royse777.

I've seen in the past more than once notes in the bounties that those finding cheaters could get paid, in a way or another. This is the same logic, since posting AI crap in signature campaigns is cheating, not just spam.
Of course, it's harder to catch that with proper proof, hence the bigger the pay.

I think though that just reporting the spam - AI generated or not - can have the same effect on long term (if people do report at sight) because mods can still remove those posts (hence the bounty/campaign participants won't get paid). Of course, then the reporters won't get paid. But we can't just have them all  

However, indeed, not a bad move for the campaign manager!