User @Amph - sale of BTT account via PM!

[Lucius]

Today I received a private message from the user @Amph in which he informs me that he wants to sell his BTT account, and he refers to the fact that we communicated via Telegram, which never happened. The PM also contains a name (I assume the one he uses on Telegram), but I'm not sure if that might be his real name, so I don't want to reveal it here.

Given that the sale of BTT accounts is not something we approve of (although it is not prohibited), it would be logical to leave a negative trust for such an account - even though the reference is a private message, so it's my word against his.

I can't say why @Amph chose me, but it seems to me that I am not the only one who received or will receive such a private message. I also don't see that there has been any change of e-mail/password, so the assumption is that the account has not been hacked.

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[Amph]

this guy tricked me just to be able to prove that im selling my account, he said he want to buy the account (which was a lie), i can prove that with screen

if you believe a guy like this is trustworthy, draw your conclusions

he also blatantly say that we didn't communicate via telegram which is a pure lie

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[Lucius]

this guy tricked me just to be able to prove that im selling my account, he said he want to buy the account (which was a lie), i can prove that with screen

if you believe a guy like this is trustworthy, draw your conclusions

he also blatantly say that we didn't communicate via telegram which is a pure lie

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You did not communicate with me via Telegram, nor does your screenshot prove anything - anyone could have sent a link to my profile, but the fact is that you sent me an offer to sell your BTT account, which only proves that you are either a very unintelligent person, or that you have some malicious intentions.

If you already want to portray me as some ordinary scammer who trades with BTT accounts, then I will also publish your PM so that people can decide who is who in this story.

[Amph]

sure some random guy pointed your profile in  A PRIVATE chat on telegram, come on don't be a moron, that is an undeniable proof that you comunicate wiht me via telegram, otherwise i would never send a private msg to you

you are a lier nothing else, and your screen don't prove anything either, there are plenty of way to edit any screen or even video so...

[Findingnemo]

sure some random guy pointed your profile in  A PRIVATE chat on telegram, come on don't be a moron, that is an undeniable proof that you comunicate wiht me via telegram, otherwise i would never send a private msg to you

you are a lier nothing else, and your screen don't prove anything either, there are plenty of way to edit any screen or even video so...

Your reaction for his proof itself says who is talking the truth here.

Anyway he posted the proof about the PM he received from your account so what is you answer or atleast say that he edited the picture and trying to portray you as an account seller.

Anyone ready for the drama?

[Amph]

sure some random guy pointed your profile in  A PRIVATE chat on telegram, come on don't be a moron, that is an undeniable proof that you comunicate wiht me via telegram, otherwise i would never send a private msg to you

you are a lier nothing else, and your screen don't prove anything either, there are plenty of way to edit any screen or even video so...

Your reaction for his proof itself says who is talking the truth here.

Anyway he posted the proof about the PM he received from your account so what is you answer or atleast say that he edited the picture and trying to portray you as an account seller.

Anyone ready for the drama?

he is the one that contacted me via telegram if you think that is not him you must have some serious logic flaw

as i said that is not a proof, you can edit any screen easily

[Lucius]

sure some random guy pointed your profile in  A PRIVATE chat on telegram, come on don't be a moron, that is an undeniable proof that you comunicate wiht me via telegram, otherwise i would never send a private msg to you

It seems that you are a much bigger fool than I thought, because you trust complete strangers who send you a message on a platform that is full of scammers. It is enough for you that someone sends you a public profile link and you think that this person contacted you

you are a lier nothing else, and your screen don't prove anything either, there are plenty of way to edit any screen or even video so...

Unfortunately for you, PMs on this forum can be verified, so even though it is something that is not often done, I am ready to prove that you are lying even with that procedure. Anyway, I think you deserve a red tag as well as everyone who sells BTT accounts.

[Welsh]

It's quite possible that someone is using Telegram looking for account sellers, and then pointing them to a random user on DefaultTrust or DefaultTrust2, trying to get them to admit that they want to sell the account knowing that the DefaultTrust/DefaultTrust2 would say something publicly about it.

There could be several motivations to this; honeypotting which this would be considered, isn't exactly encouraged around here, and actively frowned upon itself. So, the Telegram user doing it could be trying to do it anonymously, and using some other user to deal with it on Bitcointalk. However, that's not exactly great either; since they're effectively putting the user they're saying to contact on Bitcointalk under risk, as it appears they want to buy the account. I suspect in an attempt to keep themselves anonymous due to the frowned upon honey potting. However, I don't see why they just wouldn't send the user to a newly created account, and then report that publicly. Going through the verification that's required if necessary.

I don't know, that's my best guess since Lucius seems to be rather dumbfounded by why they received the personal message in the first place.

[Rikafip]

sure some random guy pointed your profile in  A PRIVATE chat on telegram, come on don't be a moron, that is an undeniable proof that you comunicate wiht me via telegram, otherwise i would never send a private msg to you

Can you share screenshots of the entire Telegram conversation, right from the beginning?

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Only admins can can see private messages, or mods too? Or for mods to see the PM, it has to be reported? I am asking so at least we can confirm that PM is legit and indeed sent by Ampth (even though I see no reason why Lucius would go through such hassle).

[Welsh]

The above post I made is obviously speculation, and I guess it depends on if any other evidence is brought forward. However, at the moment it seems like both users don't actually know what went on exactly.

Only admins can can see private messages, or mods too? Or for mods to see the PM, it has to be reported? I am asking so at least we can confirm that PM is legit and indeed sent by Ampth (even though I see no reason why Lucius would go through such hassle).

Global moderators, and admins can see it when reported. If you go, and look at a personal message you've received, and click report to moderator you'll be able to see who can review them, since you can pick who you want. However, admins can probably see any personal message if they wanted too, but this certainly isn't routinely done. Although, this falls out of the scope for them to verify since it's not breaking the rules of the forum. So, please no one report personal messages like this, only one's that break the forum guidelines.

There are other ways to verify it, obviously. In the past, some users have given temporary access to trustworthy users, but I wouldn't recommend that either.

[Lucius]

PM has been reported to admins/global mods asking them to confirm its authenticity.

The above post I made is obviously speculation, and I guess it depends on if any other evidence is brought forward. However, at the moment it seems like both users don't actually know what went on exactly.

Do you really think that I contacted someone on Telegram and asked to buy their bitcointalk account in such a stupid and naive way? It is clear to me what happened here, and I also have proof in the PM where I am very clearly and unequivocally offered to buy a bitcointalk account - and the person selling it claims that he communicated with me via Telegram without any concrete proof - is the proof public profile link which anyone can copy and place anywhere?

[Amph]

I don't know, that's my best guess since Lucius seems to be rather dumbfounded by why they received the personal message in the first place.

which doesn't make sense, the reason is because is trying to hide that he was him in telegram poiting his profile, to trick me and telling to send him a msg to create this topic, it's so straightforward it's not even funny

PM has been reported to admins/global mods asking them to confirm its authenticity.

The above post I made is obviously speculation, and I guess it depends on if any other evidence is brought forward. However, at the moment it seems like both users don't actually know what went on exactly.

Do you really think that I contacted someone on Telegram and asked to buy their bitcointalk account in such a stupid and naive way? It is clear to me what happened here, and I also have proof in the PM where I am very clearly and unequivocally offered to buy a bitcointalk account - and the person selling it claims that he communicated with me via Telegram without any concrete proof - is the proof public profile link which anyone can copy and place anywhere?

sure for no reaosn and out of nowhere i contacted u to sell my account, the only rewson is because you were the one of telegram asking for that


btw i'm not seeing that i didn't send that pm, i'm saying that he tell me to do so, to create this topic, that's my point

the liar is him that keep saying he didn't contacted me via telegram and saying all the stuff in that screen

[ibminer]

Well if we are theorizing here, why would the telegram user request a screenshot of the PM (especially if he is claiming to be the owner of the account), he wouldn't need a screenshot. Telegram user could have been trying to setup Lucius for not posting about an account seller contacting him.. or maybe thought Lucius would try to buy it and they wanted the screenshot to post themselves in order to smear Lucius? *shrug*

edit: Regardless, it looks like Amph is willing to sell his account?.. to anyone that contacts him on telegram?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Fuck this, Amph is a member who's annoyed me with his drivel since I first registered here and frequented the altcoin section where he posted the most.  There's enough evidence here that he's trying to sell his account to justify a negative trust (which I just left).

Amph, whether you dump your account or not, good luck to you and don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out.

[holydarkness]

Uhh... Forgive me to squeaking in with a rather confused tone, but why does it matter who sent what to who on the first place? I'm seriously asking here. I've tried to read the thread couple times and still couldn't see how it matters. The fact remains that Amph is willing to sell his account, as proven by his own evidence --self incrimination, that's rare.

Why is it still matter if Lucius is indeed TGing Amph first or it was someone else pretending to be him?

[Welsh]

Well if we are theorizing here, why would the telegram user request a screenshot of the PM (especially if he is claiming to be the owner of the account), he wouldn't need a screenshot. Telegram user could have been trying to setup Lucius for not posting about an account seller contacting him.. or maybe thought Lucius would try to buy it and they wanted the screenshot to post themselves in order to smear Lucius? *shrug*

I'm not sure what the motive is behind request the screenshot on Telegram. However, the fact that they asked for the screenshot might indicate they don't know if the user did actually send the message, implying that a user is either trying to conjure some drama involving Lucius or in fact trying to not reveal their identity, and is asking account sellers to send these types of messages to DefaultTrust/DefaultTrust2 users.

PM has been reported to admins/global mods asking them to confirm its authenticity.

Like I said, they're unlikely to get involved since it's not regarding forum rules. It's a community matter, rather than an issue from a moderation stand point. There's no real way of verifying the message exists without potentially compromising your account, which I absolutely don't suggest you do.

Although, it does seem like Amph hasn't exactly disputed they sent that personal message to you.  

[digaran]

Just seeing the name "The Sceptical Chymist" should be enough for someone involved in account sales to realize they fucked up. "This is the moment" saga.

[Lucius]

Fuck this, Amph is a member who's annoyed me with his drivel since I first registered here and frequented the altcoin section where he posted the most.  There's enough evidence here that he's trying to sell his account to justify a negative trust (which I just left).

Amph, whether you dump your account or not, good luck to you and don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out.

Regardless of the fact that at this moment I cannot prove that I received a private message in which I am offered to buy the account in question here - I can only say that I am glad that at least someone on the entire forum does not think that I am someone who engages in such activities. I see that other members still have doubts, but if necessary, I am ready for one of the respectable members of the forum to get an insight into my account and confirm that the PM is real.

Like I said, they're unlikely to get involved since it's not regarding forum rules. It's a community matter, rather than an issue from a moderation stand point. There's no real way of verifying the message exists without potentially compromising your account, which I absolutely don't suggest you do.

I understand what you're explaining, but still just a simple confirmation that PM is real and that it's not about me actually being the one who did something bad in this whole story would be a perfectly normal move in these situations. Yesterday this happened to me, tomorrow it can happen to someone else, and the shadow of doubt remains if we do not clarify this situation to the end.

Although, it does seem like Amph hasn't exactly disputed they sent that personal message to you. 

His explanations are at least at the level of a beginner who has no idea about some basic things, and the only thing he defends himself with is that I somehow fabricated that message, although he later admits that he did send the message. The evidence he presented in the form of a Telegram screenshot is plain nonsense and only proves how naive he is.

you are a lier nothing else, and your screen don't prove anything either, there are plenty of way to edit any screen or even video so...

btw i'm not seeing that i didn't send that pm, i'm saying that he tell me to do so, to create this topic, that's my point

Given that we have a clear acknowledgment that @Amph sent a PM whose screenshot you can see, it is more than obvious that he admits that he tried to sell his account.

[ibminer]

~I see that other members still have doubts, but if necessary, I am ready for one of the respectable members of the forum to get an insight into my account and confirm that the PM is real.

It's really not necessary, it would be a mistake letting someone else into your account for something like this. Seems clear he sent it and I'm not sure why there would be doubt.

At the end of the day, the current owner of Amph is a user who is OK with account sales, and the forum technically allows it. But verifying a PM like this using such extreme lengths seems unnecessary, for both the reputable member and you.

He's only arguing that you tricked him in some form of entrapment, and that this makes you look bad for setting him up. There is no proof of this, and we don't even see the rest of the conversation in full context, so it's all assumptions and theories at this point.

[Rikafip]

I see that other members still have doubts, but if necessary, I am ready for one of the respectable members of the forum to get an insight into my account and confirm that the PM is real.

Given the circumstances (he admitting sending you a PM, not willing to provide screenshots of rest of the conversations), I don't think that there is real need for you to do that. And I didn't get the impression that people don't believe you (I personally don't think that you would go through such a hassle just to entrap some account seller), its just that situation is kinda weird (I don't think I saw something similar before) so people may be a little bit more cautious before making the judgment.