NAKAMOTO ROULETTE - open and live!

[Quidat]

Welcome nakaroulette.
The website's design is minimalist which makes it load faster and easier to navigate. The problem is that most gamblers prefer to have a more vivid design with some animations and such so they don't get bored quickly. The logo can be improved too, just my opinion, though.
When checking the deposit option, I noticed that lightning invoices expire after 10 minutes. I think it would be better to make it last a bit longer.

I do not expect there to be any animation on the website and as you can see for yourself, the website casino is a live one so i think there is no need for animation there but the only thing you can say that the casino is too scanty with information as they claim it is a full time decentralized casino that has no license of operation. Another thing i would correct your for is the "lightning invoices expire after 10 minutes" it is not so what i noticed about that is 5 minutes against what you have said. In all, the casino is a lively one.

It is a casino that is nothing new, it is not bad at all because it is complying with many things that players are looking for, one of them is privacy and anonymity and the way they are carrying it out is almost pursuing everything that Satoshi wanted to do. If this casino succeeds, it will be an example for many casinos, just make sure they don't ask for kyc, it's already something big and the way it's starting shows that they've done a great job, we don't know how much time the casino owner spent designing it , starting a business will never be easy, the casino needs to improve in some aspects, but improvements sometimes require a lot of money.

Really that hard to believe on, considering that this is really showing off some real or live games which i do believe that it do really require up some license or permission before you could able to proceed.
You cant really have able to broadcast these things as far as i know but im aint sure on how these things to be set up but i wont really be surprised if there would really be some verifications to be asked
later on. In speaking about site design then it does really still need some improvement but not really that much but it would be nice if they would be utilize those spaces.

[Daltonik]

I do not expect there to be any animation on the website and as you can see for yourself, the website casino is a live one so i think there is no need for animation there but the only thing you can say that the casino is too scanty with information as they claim it is a full time decentralized casino that has no license of operation.

I wasn't talking about the games as they come from third providers and the casino can't do anything to change them, I was talking about the main page (landing page). But as I said, this suggestion is based on my own opinion and some people may disagree with it. So they can take it or leave it.
BTW, just because it's unlicensed casino doesn't mean it's decentralized.

Another thing i would correct your for is the "lightning invoices expire after 10 minutes" it is not so what i noticed about that is 5 minutes against what you have said. In all, the casino is a lively one.

Please check again! As you can see in the below screenshot, LN invoices expire in 10 minutes:

Well, this is a common practice when creating invoices on the lightning network and by default it expires after 1 hour, but an arbitrary validity period can be set, otherwise nodes may need to save a very large number of preimages. Saving preimages for invoices that remain unpaid indefinitely would be a waste of memory and storage therefore, it makes sense that invoices expire so that preimages of unpaid invoices can be safely deleted if necessary.

[Emitdama]

Really that hard to believe on, considering that this is really showing off some real or live games which i do believe that it do really require up some license or permission before you could able to proceed.
You cant really have able to broadcast these things as far as i know but im aint sure on how these things to be set up but i wont really be surprised if there would really be some verifications to be asked
later on. In speaking about site design then it does really still need some improvement but not really that much but it would be nice if they would be utilize those spaces.

I'm a bit confused about that too, that how are they actually broadcasting those live games if they are not licensed. How would a casino allow a platform without a license to use their live cams to run their business? I think we need more details about these matters from the creators. And if they impose KYC in the future, that will totally make it look bad since they say they won't ask for any documents or verifications and it's a totally anonymous casino.

About the website and it's look, I don't think that the look is bad, but there are some works required in the back end and I think as OP mentioned earlier, they are already working on them, so it should be good once they do that.

[paxmao]

Hi All,

We just launched our new Bitcoin/Lightning LIVE Roulette Site - www.NakamotoRoulette.com

Would appreciate feedback and comments or anything else the community has to say

-- Nakamoto Roulette

Edit: some common questions popping up I think should be included up top;

- We accept normal Bitcoin as well as instant Lightning Deposits
- We offer INSTANT humanless Withdrawals ('no questions asked').
- We do not have any KYC nor will we, EVER.
- We will not get a gaming license for a host of reasons including KYC and other limitations.
- We are as anonymous as possible, private and confidential and share no data to anyone. ever.

some immediate features being implemented are;
- All players automatically get a 'share code / affiliate link' which they can gain back 50% of GGR (revenue) month-to-month for any players they invite or attract.
- Many many more games (and not just Roulette).

All sounds interesting and well put, and I would think that people are likely to try it. Now, if you post as newby and request any short of deposit without any particular proof and promise stuff that is pretty much illegal in most jurisdictions, I am afraid that it looks far too shady. This would be what anyone wanting people to put deposits into an scam would say. Is that the case??

[Beparanf]

All sounds interesting and well put, and I would think that people are likely to try it. Now, if you post as newby and request any short of deposit without any particular proof and promise stuff that is pretty much illegal in most jurisdictions, I am afraid that it looks far too shady. This would be what anyone wanting people to put deposits into an scam would say. Is that the case??

They are claiming to be decentralized but I agree with you that chance of being scam rather than offer decentralized service is high. There’s a high chance that the reason they are not applying for license is because they don’t have enough resources since if this casino really wants to become decentralized then there’s no need to do deposit since user should bet just by sending the money on a smart contract to process the bet automatically without the need to store money on a centralized wallet controlled by the owner.

[QueenVera]

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- We accept normal Bitcoin as well as instant Lightning Deposits
- We offer INSTANT humanless Withdrawals ('no questions asked').
- We do not have any KYC nor will we, EVER.
- We will not get a gaming license for a host of reasons including KYC and other limitations.
- We are as anonymous as possible, private and confidential and share no data to anyone. ever.

You're welcome on board the forum and I want to assure you that everyone is treated equally over here provided that you're doing the right thing.
I had to highlight this specifications you had and I want to let you know that tye forum keeps record so we'll and everything you so and say will always be used against you just incase there is a bridge in agreement.

I love the fact that you run a KYC free casino and I hope that KYC will not be triggered at some point maybe when there is a huge winning or withdrawal.

Another point to consider is the fat that you're not getting any license or what so ever and I really don't think it will be easy for you guys since people still want to gamble on a licensed platform and hope the game house still stay fair with KYC.

[nakaroulette]

Really that hard to believe on, considering that this is really showing off some real or live games which i do believe that it do really require up some license or permission before you could able to proceed.
You cant really have able to broadcast these things as far as i know but im aint sure on how these things to be set up but i wont really be surprised if there would really be some verifications to be asked
later on. In speaking about site design then it does really still need some improvement but not really that much but it would be nice if they would be utilize those spaces.

I'm a bit confused about that too, that how are they actually broadcasting those live games if they are not licensed. How would a casino allow a platform without a license to use their live cams to run their business? I think we need more details about these matters from the creators. And if they impose KYC in the future, that will totally make it look bad since they say they won't ask for any documents or verifications and it's a totally anonymous casino.

About the website and it's look, I don't think that the look is bad, but there are some works required in the back end and I think as OP mentioned earlier, they are already working on them, so it should be good once they do that.

Not every Live Casino Feed is broadcast by us directly, but for which we have access through our contracts for usage of them - although one of our founders does own a couple of Casino Venues, of which we are also the broadcaster giving us complete and total control over some of the live feeds - as well as security that we can not have 'all our feeds' pulled for whatever reason by a 3rd party or contract dissolution.

We have in total over 20 live feeds and will be adding them to Nakamoto Roulette one at a time.

The feed provision in no way will impact our standing on KYC (or the lack of) - the worst-case-scenario for us is that we lose some feeds through disagreement, but we can not lose all and that is OKAY with us.

Our stance on Casino Licensing is that the most flexible licenses (such as Curacao, Costa Rica, etc) offer no player-protections (if you know anything about the industry, player complaints to these bodies fall on deaf ears) -- and the more proper licenses (Malta, UK, etc) are far too restrictive - and would A) break our KYC promise and B) restrict what regions we are allowed to operate. Neither of these are a good fit for us and we disagree with the ethos of modern casino licensing so we will not do it. Many make the argument that 'players want licensing' but actually the licensing is not for the players as much as it is for the operators to gain credit card payment gateways (something that is now impossible for a casino to have without a gaming license) - it offers very little, if anything, to the player.

I think these things being discussed here are fantastic and it really solidifies our views on what and how a Casino should be run. We want to keep it simple, easy and fun. There just isn't any need for the traditional approach here.

[Quidat]

Really that hard to believe on, considering that this is really showing off some real or live games which i do believe that it do really require up some license or permission before you could able to proceed.
You cant really have able to broadcast these things as far as i know but im aint sure on how these things to be set up but i wont really be surprised if there would really be some verifications to be asked
later on. In speaking about site design then it does really still need some improvement but not really that much but it would be nice if they would be utilize those spaces.

I'm a bit confused about that too, that how are they actually broadcasting those live games if they are not licensed. How would a casino allow a platform without a license to use their live cams to run their business? I think we need more details about these matters from the creators. And if they impose KYC in the future, that will totally make it look bad since they say they won't ask for any documents or verifications and it's a totally anonymous casino.

About the website and it's look, I don't think that the look is bad, but there are some works required in the back end and I think as OP mentioned earlier, they are already working on them, so it should be good once they do that.

Not every Live Casino Feed is broadcast by us directly, but for which we have access through our contracts for usage of them - although one of our founders does own a couple of Casino Venues, of which we are also the broadcaster giving us complete and total control over some of the live feeds - as well as security that we can not have 'all our feeds' pulled for whatever reason by a 3rd party or contract dissolution.

How could you able to convince us that these things were legit? That your one of founders are one of the owners of those casinos which you are broadcasting into?
It is really just that hard to believe on because if they are owning a website then it wouldn't really be looking like this.
It would be good if you do show up some proofs because it is really just hard to believe that kyc implementation wont really be attached into this one
considering that it is really that involving live feed games.

[nakaroulette]

Really that hard to believe on, considering that this is really showing off some real or live games which i do believe that it do really require up some license or permission before you could able to proceed.
You cant really have able to broadcast these things as far as i know but im aint sure on how these things to be set up but i wont really be surprised if there would really be some verifications to be asked
later on. In speaking about site design then it does really still need some improvement but not really that much but it would be nice if they would be utilize those spaces.

I'm a bit confused about that too, that how are they actually broadcasting those live games if they are not licensed. How would a casino allow a platform without a license to use their live cams to run their business? I think we need more details about these matters from the creators. And if they impose KYC in the future, that will totally make it look bad since they say they won't ask for any documents or verifications and it's a totally anonymous casino.

About the website and it's look, I don't think that the look is bad, but there are some works required in the back end and I think as OP mentioned earlier, they are already working on them, so it should be good once they do that.

Not every Live Casino Feed is broadcast by us directly, but for which we have access through our contracts for usage of them - although one of our founders does own a couple of Casino Venues, of which we are also the broadcaster giving us complete and total control over some of the live feeds - as well as security that we can not have 'all our feeds' pulled for whatever reason by a 3rd party or contract dissolution.

How could you able to convince us that these things were legit? That your one of founders are one of the owners of those casinos which you are broadcasting into?
It is really just that hard to believe on because if they are owning a website then it wouldn't really be looking like this.
It would be good if you do show up some proofs because it is really just hard to believe that kyc implementation wont really be attached into this one
considering that it is really that involving live feed games.

We are considering putting a 'Nakamoto Roulette' sign behind the table on one or two of the feeds that we control - again, we do not control or own ALL the feeds! Only some of them.

[Daltonik]

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We are considering putting a 'Nakamoto Roulette' sign behind the table on one or two of the feeds that we control - again, we do not control or own ALL the feeds! Only some of them.

Thank you for the welcome free 1000 sat that were successfully lost in bikini roulette, it was quite fun, but not as long as we would like, you really need to make provably fair betting games, for now it's so easy to record without a hash of the bet:

[nakaroulette]

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We are considering putting a 'Nakamoto Roulette' sign behind the table on one or two of the feeds that we control - again, we do not control or own ALL the feeds! Only some of them.

Thank you for the welcome free 1000 sat that were successfully lost in bikini roulette, it was quite fun, but not as long as we would like, you really need to make provably fair betting games, for now it's so easy to record without a hash of the bet:

That's great that you enjoyed it - we have topped you up further for more fun!

About the list of failed deposits there on your recent transactions that you screenshot though - why ? were you struggling to deposit or had some issue ?

As for 'provably fair' we absolutely WOULD do this - but since we do NOT generate the results (it is a live feed) there is literally no way to do this 'with maths'. 'Provably Fair' as a definition requires that we also generate a hash of the result BEFORE the bet is placed - this is so that after the game a player could 'prove the result did not change according to the bet they placed'... guaranteeing 'fairness'. If we do our own RNG games we would certainly include Provably Fair architecture as this is something we really like and agree with!

[piebeyb]

when viewed from the domain on this site it looks quite interesting using the last name satoshi and moreover payment support only uses bitcoin, I'm not a roulette game lover but I and everyone in this forum will of course also welcome new casinos in this forum and provide positive criticism input build, so far everything looks good even able to access it through my phone and I like the words on your site "INSTANT DEPOSITS & INSTANT WITHDRAWALS"
it's an easy word to attract people to play, welcome to the forum I hope you make yourself a copper member to be able to make threads more interesting using image designs and also don't forget to hold small promotions on this forum  

I see that they kept to their words being anonymous as there are no signs of kyc.  From my experience with casinos I think they are the first to start up with the live online casino games for gamblers and bettors. Playing live from your various locality and they are entertaining with their live gaming which I do not think any casino has done that before. Their withdrawal is fast lightning which does not take much time like other casinos that would delay your withdrawal and if the amount to your winnings is very high they would start drawing legs requesting for verifiable documents before they release your winnings and sometimes they ban or suspend your account if they can not pay tagging you a defaulter. This casino I think would do much better.

you're right also it seems that there is something odd they don't mention about KYC and there are many cases that are sometimes worrying about it too when you win big and withdraw money you have to complete KYC, this should also be explained by the team, maybe we need to hear it too directly from the OP, I'm still doubt the OP is from the team from this site or just as someone else promoting the referral link in the OP's signature. but it doesn't really matter either , maybe need to hear about KYC too as you said it would be better.

[nakaroulette]

when viewed from the domain on this site it looks quite interesting using the last name satoshi and moreover payment support only uses bitcoin, I'm not a roulette game lover but I and everyone in this forum will of course also welcome new casinos in this forum and provide positive criticism input build, so far everything looks good even able to access it through my phone and I like the words on your site "INSTANT DEPOSITS & INSTANT WITHDRAWALS"
it's an easy word to attract people to play, welcome to the forum I hope you make yourself a copper member to be able to make threads more interesting using image designs and also don't forget to hold small promotions on this forum  

I see that they kept to their words being anonymous as there are no signs of kyc.  From my experience with casinos I think they are the first to start up with the live online casino games for gamblers and bettors. Playing live from your various locality and they are entertaining with their live gaming which I do not think any casino has done that before. Their withdrawal is fast lightning which does not take much time like other casinos that would delay your withdrawal and if the amount to your winnings is very high they would start drawing legs requesting for verifiable documents before they release your winnings and sometimes they ban or suspend your account if they can not pay tagging you a defaulter. This casino I think would do much better.

you're right also it seems that there is something odd they don't mention about KYC and there are many cases that are sometimes worrying about it too when you win big and withdraw money you have to complete KYC, this should also be explained by the team, maybe we need to hear it too directly from the OP, I'm still doubt the OP is from the team from this site or just as someone else promoting the referral link in the OP's signature. but it doesn't really matter either , maybe need to hear about KYC too as you said it would be better.

"... they don't mention about KYC ..." - I do not understand - we talk about having no KYC everywhere, here in posts, all over the site - literally everywhere - did I misunderstand what you are asking for ?

I am very much on the operator and developer team of the site - the only reason I used an AFF link in the signature was so i could track which clicks came from here. I have now removed it making it a naked link (honestly i did not even consider it would make me look less genuine), it makes no difference to me so it is gone - I am not a 3rd party to this.

To be clear, we do NOT require KYC - we will NEVER require KYC - this is the ethos we have decided, and this is what we will stick to

[piebeyb]

"... they don't mention about KYC ..." - I do not understand - we talk about having no KYC everywhere, here in posts, all over the site - literally everywhere - did I misunderstand what you are asking for ?

I am very much on the operator and developer team of the site - the only reason I used an AFF link in the signature was so i could track which clicks came from here. I have now removed it making it a naked link (honestly i did not even consider it would make me look less genuine), it makes no difference to me so it is gone - I am not a 3rd party to this.

To be clear, we do NOT require KYC - we will NEVER require KYC - this is the ethos we have decided, and this is what we will stick to

I'm just answering a question from a friend in the forum actually I don't mind your referral link, if it's to track traffic from this forum, I think we have the answer now, your quick response is worth appreciating, it's enough for me to see the quality of your site from the response you quickly answer the questions and doubts of people in this forum. 

[Beparanf]

"... they don't mention about KYC ..." - I do not understand - we talk about having no KYC everywhere, here in posts, all over the site - literally everywhere - did I misunderstand what you are asking for ?

I am very much on the operator and developer team of the site - the only reason I used an AFF link in the signature was so i could track which clicks came from here. I have now removed it making it a naked link (honestly i did not even consider it would make me look less genuine), it makes no difference to me so it is gone - I am not a 3rd party to this.

To be clear, we do NOT require KYC - we will NEVER require KYC - this is the ethos we have decided, and this is what we will stick to

I'm just answering a question from a friend in the forum actually I don't mind your referral link, if it's to track traffic from this forum, I think we have the answer now, your quick response is worth appreciating, it's enough for me to see the quality of your site from the response you quickly answer the questions and doubts of people in this forum. 

Actually having an affiliate link on signature space is allowed and pretty normal that other casino is doing to track the number of clicks from the forum. Questioning it is a bit absurd since he is not spamming the link on his post.

I’m more concerned on how we can verify how genuine this casino to be affiliated to the physical casino since they don’t have license or any legal proof that will make them an official partner.

[piebeyb]

Actually having an affiliate link on signature space is allowed and pretty normal that other casino is doing to track the number of clicks from the forum. Questioning it is a bit absurd since he is not spamming the link on his post.

I’m more concerned on how we can verify how genuine this casino to be affiliated to the physical casino since they don’t have license or any legal proof that will make them an official partner.

yes actually I don't mind the referral link, just a few questions and answering doubts that OP is part of this site's project and doesn't consider the referral link in his signature as spam and something that is prohibited, OP shouldn't need to delete the signature affiliate link if is indeed used to track traffic from this forum. i think the problem is cleared up now OP has explained clearly so there is no doubt for anything. 

[Daltonik]

About the list of failed deposits there on your recent transactions that you screenshot though - why ? were you struggling to deposit or had some issue ?

No, I don't think there would be any problems, I just checked how the creation of invoices on the lightning network works for a general understanding, so to speak, but I didn't make a deposit because I don't really like roulette games.

[paid2]

"... they don't mention about KYC ..." - I do not understand - we talk about having no KYC everywhere, here in posts, all over the site - literally everywhere - did I misunderstand what you are asking for ?

I am very much on the operator and developer team of the site - the only reason I used an AFF link in the signature was so i could track which clicks came from here. I have now removed it making it a naked link (honestly i did not even consider it would make me look less genuine), it makes no difference to me so it is gone - I am not a 3rd party to this.

To be clear, we do NOT require KYC - we will NEVER require KYC - this is the ethos we have decided, and this is what we will stick to

I'm just answering a question from a friend in the forum actually I don't mind your referral link, if it's to track traffic from this forum, I think we have the answer now, your quick response is worth appreciating, it's enough for me to see the quality of your site from the response you quickly answer the questions and doubts of people in this forum. 

Actually having an affiliate link on signature space is allowed and pretty normal that other casino is doing to track the number of clicks from the forum. Questioning it is a bit absurd since he is not spamming the link on his post.

I’m more concerned on how we can verify how genuine this casino to be affiliated to the physical casino since they don’t have license or any legal proof that will make them an official partner.

I ask myself exactly the same question.
This is always the problem when there is neither license nor regulation, I have a lot of trouble to take the first step to deposit on a site without license. No licence = a lot of question raised from my side.

Anyway the design of the site is not bad, I'm always admiring to see visually clean KYC free sites, I was used to see so little credible things when I was looking for gambling games / bets without KYC that yours seems indeed more professional than many others.

Will followup your work OP

[bettercrypto]

I love the fact that you run a KYC free casino and I hope that KYC will not be triggered at some point maybe when there is a huge winning or withdrawal.

      This is what gamblers often look for in any casino where they don't have to worry about submitting kyc if ever they withdraw a large amount of gambling winnings.

Another point to consider is the fat that you're not getting any license or what so ever and I really don't think it will be easy for you guys since people still want to gamble on a licensed platform and hope the game house still stay fair with KYC.

      This is where there will be problems, because of course the chances are also high that when other gamblers have an issue or problem, they have no claim and competition because the person who runs the gambling establishment does not have a license.

[Daltonik]

I love the fact that you run a KYC free casino and I hope that KYC will not be triggered at some point maybe when there is a huge winning or withdrawal.

      This is what gamblers often look for in any casino where they don't have to worry about submitting kyc if ever they withdraw a large amount of gambling winnings.

Another point to consider is the fat that you're not getting any license or what so ever and I really don't think it will be easy for you guys since people still want to gamble on a licensed platform and hope the game house still stay fair with KYC.

      This is where there will be problems, because of course the chances are also high that when other gamblers have an issue or problem, they have no claim and competition because the person who runs the gambling establishment does not have a license.

There is no doubt that the absence of KYC can also become a problem for obtaining an online casino license, so here you will have a dilemma of trust and security, of course, this does not always mean that an online casino with a license (again, according to their statement) will not deceive you.