Bitcoin100 & archive.org

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Please read this entire post, prior to voting!


This is a good enough place as any to address the current discussion over at the Bitcoin100 thread, starting with post #364: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52543.0

The folks over at archive.org have been kind enough to include a Bitcoin donation option onto their website, albeit locating it here http://www.archive.org/donate/?donate=Donate&n=5 would better serve Bitcoin as a whole.

That said, after reading the relative posts over at the Bitcoin100 thread, do you feel that the funds currently residing in the first wallet should be donated to archive.org provided, of course, a couple simple provisos are met?

Personally, I can go either way on this issue. The main horse I have in this race is that a consensus is reached, with minimal supporters sore, hence this poll.

I feel that having this poll open for no less than 48 hours and, hopefully, no less than 100 votes cast, should give Bitcoin100 the direction needed to resolve this pending issue.

The poll is set for 1 maximum vote per user and will show the most current results after your vote is cast. I did not set a running time, purposely leaving that option blank, thereby not having a 48 hour voting period written in stone.

Feel free to use this thread to discuss this issue, thereby having a little less clutter over at the Bitcoin100 thread.

Thank you.

~Bruno~

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[the joint]

What is to stop non-Bitcoin100 members from voting?

[bitcoinbear]

What is to stop non-Bitcoin100 members from voting?

nothing. They can vote if they want. Maybe they will join the bitcoin100 after voting?

[Phinnaeus Gage]

What is to stop non-Bitcoin100 members from voting?

None! I personally feel that non supporters of Bitcoin100 have a vital roll in this issue, for what results out of there directly, and indirectly, effects Bitcoin as a whole.

What is to stop non-Bitcoin100 members from voting?

nothing. They can vote if they want. Maybe they will join the bitcoin100 after voting?

Exactly! Moreover, not a single Bitcoiner shall ever called out is choosing to not supporting Bitcoin100.

[the joint]

Call me crazy, but I have qualms with someone outside the group giving their cognitive input when they haven't committed to giving monetary input.

[the joint]

What is to stop non-Bitcoin100 members from voting?

None! I personally feel that non supporters of Bitcoin100 have a vital roll in this issue, for what results out of there directly, and indirectly, effects Bitcoin as a whole.

What is to stop non-Bitcoin100 members from voting?

nothing. They can vote if they want. Maybe they will join the bitcoin100 after voting?

Exactly! Moreover, not a single Bitcoiner shall ever called out is choosing to not supporting Bitcoin100.

First point is valid.

2nd point...what?

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Call me crazy, but I have qualms with someone outside the group giving their cognitive input when they haven't committed to giving monetary input.

That's a damn good point! My hope, and thinking, is that with enough votes, mathematically this concern would be worked out in the equation. Does what I'm trying to say, make any sense (not directed toward you, the joint)?

[Phinnaeus Gage]

What is to stop non-Bitcoin100 members from voting?

None! I personally feel that non supporters of Bitcoin100 have a vital roll in this issue, for what results out of there directly, and indirectly, effects Bitcoin as a whole.

What is to stop non-Bitcoin100 members from voting?

nothing. They can vote if they want. Maybe they will join the bitcoin100 after voting?

Exactly! Moreover, not a single Bitcoiner shall ever called out is choosing to not supporting Bitcoin100.

First point is valid.

2nd point...what?

Allow me to clarify that 2nd point. Over at the Bitcoin100 thread, there have been posts by users currently not supporters of Bitcoin100. Their questions and concerns are important to not only Bitcoin100 but, moreover, Bitcoin as a whole. A member of this forum, who doesn't post very often, may log in one day, read, make a very important comment, and leave, not returning back to Bitcoin Talk for a couple weeks. We can't simply ignore their post because they're not a supporter unless, that is, they're related to BitcoinPorn. 

I hope that makes sense, as well. I'm trying to articulate what's going on inside my head and, at the same time, address this issue with the utmost care.

~Bruno~

[the joint]

Bruno,

That's fine.  You're addressing it well.  I appreciate the consideration you show towards others.

[dancupid]

They seem to be doing ok without the bitcoin100:

http://blockexplorer.com/address/17gN64BPHtxi4mEM3qWrxdwhieUvRq8R2r

Though I'm personally willing to have them as the first charity - I think when they see how much they have already taken they may be inclined to make the bitcoin information more prominent.

[julz]

I won't put my input into the poll, as I haven't committed an amount to the Bitcoin100 (though I'm following and donating to some of the listed charities as I see fit)

It seems to me that while archive.org is a worthy cause (I've thrown them a small donation) they're not exactly a 'charity' are they?
I think it'd be better to preserve the bulk of the funds for causes which are more likely to be of wider appeal.

I'll give at least 1BTC to Médecins Sans Frontières if/when they put up a bitcoin address.

[gnar1ta$]

Wow, I hope someone there is checking the balance.  Thats a good bit of bitcoins in a short amount of time.  Nice to see the community supporting this.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

They seem to be doing ok without the bitcoin100:

http://blockexplorer.com/address/17gN64BPHtxi4mEM3qWrxdwhieUvRq8R2r

Though I'm personally willing to have them as the first charity - I think when they see how much they have already taken they may be inclined to make the bitcoin information more prominent.

What the hell! Whoever is orchestrating that drive, I want them to come over to the Bitcoin100 camp. That is awesome! Do you folks realize how impressive that looks. One look at that by other charitable organizations, and we won't need Bitcoin100.

Bruno,

That's fine.  You're addressing it well.  I appreciate the consideration you show towards others.

Thank you for those kind words, the joint. I always try to be considerate, but there have been a small handful of times I've shown my ass. All in all, your comment is on point. Thank you, again.

[edd]

They seem to be doing ok without the bitcoin100:

http://blockexplorer.com/address/17gN64BPHtxi4mEM3qWrxdwhieUvRq8R2r

Though I'm personally willing to have them as the first charity - I think when they see how much they have already taken they may be inclined to make the bitcoin information more prominent.

What the hell! Whoever is orchestrating that drive, I want them to come over to the Bitcoin100 camp. That is awesome! Do you folks realize how impressive that looks. One look at that by other charitable organizations, and we won't need Bitcoin100.

I have a feeling that the Bitcoin 100 has done a good job of promoting archive.org by just publicly discussing the fact that they now accept bitcoin donations. This might be another "carrot" for potential recipients of the Bitcoin 100's pledge - a viral boost from the BTC community.

[dancupid]

Actually bitcoin is on their donation page - there is a link at the bottom.

http://www.archive.org/donate/index.php

[edd]

Actually bitcoin is on their donation page - there is a link at the bottom.

http://www.archive.org/donate/index.php

Yes, but what I'm saying is, how many know about that link as a direct result of it being mentioned in the Bitcoin 100 threads on this forum?

[BurtW]

If they will move the Bitcoin donation choice right up there next to above PayPal and make it a button just like the stupid PayPal button I will personally donate 10 more BTC directly to them and I would vote that we dontate the full 100 BTC to them once this is done.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

If they will move the Bitcoin donation choice right up there next to above PayPal and make it a button just like the stupid PayPal button I will personally donate 10 more BTC directly to them and I would vote that we dontate the full 100 BTC to them once this is done.

Sounds fair.

Further discussion, please.

[Technomage]

I agree 100% with bwagner. I'm very much against donating the wallet at this time, but if they change the location of the donation link, I would be okay with this. I also have a separate pledge for the archive which I'm currently holding but will honor if they change the link location, and my donation amount will also be bigger. That would be a sign that they really care about Bitcoin so I'm happy to reward for that.

[jake262144]

I pretty much agree with Technomage and BWagner.
I'm not ok with such a small and obscure link at the very bottom of the page, not by a long shot.

EDIT/CLARIFICATION: I voted Yes - I have no doubt that archive.org deserves our support, we just need to make sure a minor webpage update is bundled in with the donation ^^