Coinplay scammed me out of 1300 USDT

[piebeyb]

Do i have to prove i'm innocent or does the casino have to prove i'm guilty? And please search for yourself, every good sportsbettor gets limited in all the casinos except pinnacle.

Casinos are becoming very strict now and harassing their customers when they find something suspicious. Which is really becoming a worry for gamblers now. Many casinos now resort to blocking gamblers' accounts without any prior notice. Which is really scary situation. Because every time the casinos target the gamblers, they write their one-sided charges, which makes it difficult to understand who is guilty and who is innocent.

That's why it's important to research first which casino is the best to serve its users well, I followed this thread and didn't look for right and wrong it's back to judging each one, so I'm not going to side with anyone but this will be a lesson for all of us not to play unfairly as alleged by the casino or to play at a casino that cheats also takes user money in a dirty way and for many reasons that make no sense and are not transparent.

But back to gamblers where they should be playing, don't be tempted by bonuses and appearances especially just because you see a campaign on this forum to make sure that the casino is safe, look for casinos that are truly trusted on this forum and also have positive feedback from the community, play casino safely and without any disappointing cases like this and that many in this forum.

[ScamViruS]

Do i have to prove i'm innocent or does the casino have to prove i'm guilty? And please search for yourself, every good sportsbettor gets limited in all the casinos except pinnacle.

Casinos are becoming very strict now and harassing their customers when they find something suspicious. Which is really becoming a worry for gamblers now. Many casinos now resort to blocking gamblers' accounts without any prior notice. Which is really scary situation. Because every time the casinos target the gamblers, they write their one-sided charges, which makes it difficult to understand who is guilty and who is innocent.

That's why it's important to research first which casino is the best to serve its users well, I followed this thread and didn't look for right and wrong it's back to judging each one, so I'm not going to side with anyone but this will be a lesson for all of us not to play unfairly as alleged by the casino or to play at a casino that cheats also takes user money in a dirty way and for many reasons that make no sense and are not transparent.

But back to gamblers where they should be playing, don't be tempted by bonuses and appearances especially just because you see a campaign on this forum to make sure that the casino is safe, look for casinos that are truly trusted on this forum and also have positive feedback from the community, play casino safely and without any disappointing cases like this and that many in this forum.

Gamblers are as serious about finding bonuses as they are not interested in researching whether the casino is trustworthy or not. Many times they don't even think twice to create multiple accounts in order to get more offers and bonuses of any casino. So they violate the casino's policy by creating multiple accounts, and as a result they face various problems.

So the gamblers have to be more careful in choosing the casino, because all the casinos keep marketing that their casino is the best, to attract the gamblers.

[Woodie]

They should be able to tell you exactly what terms and conditions you breached not just coming up with a vague message.

Agreed, and I think this is were most casions/sportsbooks miss it, communicate with your client by being transparent  and where the player went wrong ...instead of dishing out generalized messages which make these guys look like they are just after the players money and no interest in the stay of the player.

Hope wr start to see personalized replies and not these template kind of replies which we see year in year out.

But if so then it seems a win situation for people who wants to abuse casino and sportsbook. They deposit, manipulate and fail to withdraw. They come here, complain, get the deposit back. But they are safe until they are unnoticed.

Gaming the system will never get you through such platforms that have the safe guards to protect their interest and using the public to your advantage .

And those other cases of other sportsbooks banning the user don't sit well with this case because being banned by ~5 different companies is one too many and could suggest same gaming strategy...

[CoinPlay_official]

What happened:   After playing for 2 weeks on the site i managed to get a balance of around 1300 USDT, which were conficasted when i tried to withdraw 900 USDT, i was told via email this "We want to inform you that our company decided to stop any collaboration with you (closing your account).
The decision was made after a careful investigation of the situation by our security service. The decision is based on a violation of the Terms and Conditions.
You can withdraw the deposited sum only."

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3502111

Reference Link:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5420930.440
Amount Scammed: 1300 USDT
Payment Method: Crypto
Proof of Payment: https://imgur.com/a/VqDJWpQ
PM/Chat Logs:  https://imgur.com/a/CAg7219

My ID on the website: "562428607"

Hello,

We're very sorry to hear that you've encountered this issue.

As I can see, you have contacted our security department via email, and your withdrawal request was approved. You successfully completed the withdrawal on February 28, 2023.

If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact our website's support team directly.

Best regards,

Coinplay Team

[holydarkness]

Ahh, I was about to inform the casino that they have two simultaneous flag, and this one needs to be attended too, only to find that they've addressed as above. Given the length of the time it took for the casino to resolve the case, there is  a big chance that the player didn't follow his own thread anymore.

Due to it, I'll nudge the player by PM to see if they were indeed got their case resolved by February 2023 or not, and if they didn't get their withdrawal as per CoinPlay_Official claimed, I am offering myself to be their eyes to inquire the proof of transaction from the casino to back up their claim.

[KTChampions]

Hello,

We're very sorry to hear that you've encountered this issue.

As I can see, you have contacted our security department via email, and your withdrawal request was approved. You successfully completed the withdrawal on February 28, 2023.

If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact our website's support team directly.

Best regards,

Coinplay Team

You refer to a transaction from February 28, 2023, but this is exactly what the OP is complaining about:

What happened:   After playing for 2 weeks on the site i managed to get a balance of around 1300 USDT, which were conficasted when i tried to withdraw 900 USDT, i was told via email this "We want to inform you that our company decided to stop any collaboration with you (closing your account).
The decision was made after a careful investigation of the situation by our security service. The decision is based on a violation of the Terms and Conditions.
You can withdraw the deposited sum only."

You stole his winnings (amounting to about $1,250) and you try to pretend that the issue has been resolved.
Judging by the history of several threads (on this forum and on other sites), this is your standard pattern of behavior: while the player is losing, everything is fine, but as soon as he wins, you find an excuse to steal his winnings.
You look like very stupid scammers, even the way you are trying to evade the accusations shows how great the risk is of interacting with your fraudulent project.

[holydarkness]

OP, I can see you're online few days ago [24th February as per this post was made] and I take it that you've find and read my PM to invite you back to this case and provide us an insight. I'd like to invite you the second time, this time publicly, to address the matter now that CoinPlay wanted to readdress the matter.

Did you or did you not withdraw by 28th, and the fund landed in your destination wallet safely?

[Bitcoin_Arena]

OP, I can see you're online few days ago [24th February as per this post was made] and I take it that you've find and read my PM to invite you back to this case and provide us an insight. I'd like to invite you the second time, this time publicly, to address the matter now that CoinPlay wanted to readdress the matter.

Did you or did you not withdraw by 28th, and the fund landed in your destination wallet safely?

I think, as KTChampions observed, they were probably referring to a withdrawal of only the deposit and not winnings. That is the same day OP made this accusation on realizing that he was not going to receive the winnings.

Anyway, let's wait and see OP's statement.

[KTChampions]

I think, as KTChampions observed, they were probably referring to a withdrawal of only the deposit and not winnings. That is the same day OP made this accusation on realizing that he was not going to receive the winnings.

Anyway, let's wait and see OP's statement.

Yep:

I did get my deposit but who cares? the deposit is 7% of the money i earned on the site. It's an easy business for them if they only accept losing customers and return the deposit every time they encounter a winner

This was written on March 6th, clearly after the date of the transaction the casino representative is referring to. Of course, we can wait for the OP's response, but I'm not really sure what new information he has to share. And I also don’t quite understand why there is a discussion going on about issues that are two years old with essentially different people (at least as stated):

Our project was inactive for some time and was then sold. We are the project's new team~

This is the same nonsense we sometimes see in Reputation: "I bought an account, please remove the red tags" 

[holydarkness]

I think, as KTChampions observed, they were probably referring to a withdrawal of only the deposit and not winnings. That is the same day OP made this accusation on realizing that he was not going to receive the winnings.

Anyway, let's wait and see OP's statement.

Yep:

I did get my deposit but who cares? the deposit is 7% of the money i earned on the site. It's an easy business for them if they only accept losing customers and return the deposit every time they encounter a winner

This was written on March 6th, clearly after the date of the transaction the casino representative is referring to. Of course, we can wait for the OP's response, but I'm not really sure what new information he has to share. And I also don’t quite understand why there is a discussion going on about issues that are two years old with essentially different people (at least as stated):

Our project was inactive for some time and was then sold. We are the project's new team~

This is the same nonsense we sometimes see in Reputation: "I bought an account, please remove the red tags" 

Well, to be perfectly clear, what I am trying to do here [and the other thread] is not to clean the casino's name by siding with them, rather taking their call for reopening the cases, now that they bought the project and try to solve the older cases they have [they're currently trying to get me something that I asked, for that case].

Isn't it a good thing to get cases clarified rather than hanging, when the casino [under new management] become less strict and more willing to cooperate? We got annoyed when a casino get under new management and they decide to be strict and pull themselves from the forum, so the reverse --where a casino is more than willing to cooperate, under new management-- should be accepted as a good gesture.

And as they call for review, I am reviewing the cases they had against them, that wasn't solved before, and I didn't pitch in back then.

This case, for example, I am not sure I get what happened as I didn't follow the case from beginning, so I probably miss a detail or two, but if the casino back then offered the player their initial depo, on any cases on every thread, the rule of thumb was to never touch it until a middle-point met or a resolution reached, as touching the initial depo and withdrawing them is considered in many cases against many casinos, for as many stretch to the past as my mind can get from the top of it, as agreement to settle.

Thus, I asked OP if he did issue the withdrawal and it landed safely?

Because if he did, then that was an acknowledgement to settle by the player. That's how it happened in many casinos, not sure how or why this one should be different.

[KTChampions]

~ if the casino back then offered the player their initial depo, on any cases on every thread, the rule of thumb was to never touch it until a middle-point met or a resolution reached, as touching the initial depo and withdrawing them is considered in many cases against many casinos, for as many stretch to the past as my mind can get from the top of it, as agreement to settle.

Thus, I asked OP if he did issue the withdrawal and it landed safely?

Because if he did, then that was an acknowledgement to settle by the player. That's how it happened in many casinos, not sure how or why this one should be different.

I don’t understand why you add assumptions, empirical thoughts, etc. to already clear facts? Are you a bad reader? Or did the casino somehow incentivize you to ignore the facts in the thread? The OP wrote quite clearly about how the scammers operated and that he feels deceived. Read it again if you don't understand:

I did get my deposit but who cares? the deposit is 7% of the money i earned on the site. It's an easy business for them if they only accept losing customers and return the deposit every time they encounter a winner

The fact that you are trying to present this as a "settlement" is surprising. At this point you are definitely not neutral and represent the casino's side.

[holydarkness]

~ if the casino back then offered the player their initial depo, on any cases on every thread, the rule of thumb was to never touch it until a middle-point met or a resolution reached, as touching the initial depo and withdrawing them is considered in many cases against many casinos, for as many stretch to the past as my mind can get from the top of it, as agreement to settle.

Thus, I asked OP if he did issue the withdrawal and it landed safely?

Because if he did, then that was an acknowledgement to settle by the player. That's how it happened in many casinos, not sure how or why this one should be different.

I don’t understand why you add assumptions, empirical thoughts, etc. to already clear facts? Are you a bad reader? Or did the casino somehow incentivize you to ignore the facts in the thread? The OP wrote quite clearly about how the scammers operated and that he feels deceived. Read it again if you don't understand:

I did get my deposit but who cares? the deposit is 7% of the money i earned on the site. It's an easy business for them if they only accept losing customers and return the deposit every time they encounter a winner

The fact that you are trying to present this as a "settlement" is surprising. At this point you are definitely not neutral and represent the casino's side.

Actually, yes, I didn't read all the posts on this thread, I believe I've mentioned it elsewhere. Thus, the fact that OP stated that he got his depo missed from my initial attention. Though I'll beg to differ that it directly means I'm a bad reader. And what I try to clarify now is actually rather rhetoric, yes, but it serves to highlight the point as well:

"Who cares?" everyone who supported the flag should actually care.

The player take the deposit. As I state, on many of the cases against casinos [plural] I oversee, things were sealed as agreement to settle once player touch the initial deposit and withdraw them. This is why I always encourage players who raise their dispute to not touch anything until a middle-ground is met: because the act of taking the initial deposit itself is an agreement to the resolution.

If he doesn't care, he should not take the deposit, let it sit, and fight for it. Then the flag is justified.

But he didn't. He take the deposit, then raise a flag, and got supported. Who is neutral and represent whose side now if other casinos and players got their case closed with the initial depo being returned, while this one got flagged?

In fact, I'll nudge the flag-supporter here to reconsider what they affirm to the best of their knowledge that is true and support: that the casino breached a written contract, when the player actually took the initial deposit that the casino offer with written explanation that that's the only thing he can withdraw. He took it.

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[KTChampions]

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In fact, I'll nudge the flag-supporter here to reconsider what they affirm to the best of their knowledge that is true and support: that the casino breached a written contract, when the player actually took the initial deposit that the casino offer with written explanation that that's the only thing he can withdraw. He took it.
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You're deliberately lying. The original post clearly states that the casino stole the player's winnings, and provides all the evidence. The casino has been flagged for stealing winnings.
This has nothing to do with the deposit refund.
Honestly, why are you trying to whitewash the scammers? You did this in another thread dedicated to Coinplay, too. I don't believe that anyone rational can defend serial scammers "altruistically." And I find it hard to believe that you came into the thread (without reading it) and "accidentally" sided with the casino.

[holydarkness]

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In fact, I'll nudge the flag-supporter here to reconsider what they affirm to the best of their knowledge that is true and support: that the casino breached a written contract, when the player actually took the initial deposit that the casino offer with written explanation that that's the only thing he can withdraw. He took it.
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You're deliberately lying. The original post clearly states that the casino stole the player's winnings, and provides all the evidence. The casino has been flagged for stealing winnings.
This has nothing to do with the deposit refund.
Honestly, why are you trying to whitewash the scammers? You did this in another thread dedicated to Coinplay, too. I don't believe that anyone rational can defend serial scammers "altruistically." And I find it hard to believe that you came into the thread (without reading it) and "accidentally" sided with the casino.

On which part do I lie?

The Opening post states what the player perceive as their truth. The casino has their own truth. That's why listening to both sides are needed. Fortunately, for this case, both sides of truth are given by the player on the opening post that, as can be seen easily due to my "mobile mode", though it is edited but not past the original post date:



Where the evidence in reference, that's quoted several times across the thread, as I glace at them, poured in this writing


Keyword: you can withdraw the deposited sum only, and then he did. A written terms is given by one side and it is taken by the other side.

Risking to sound redundant, that's how many cases marked as resolved in many other threads: by the player taking the initial deposit, and thus considered to accept the term and the gesture is perceived as a case resolution. Regardless others want it end in different way, once an offer of return of principal is given, and taken, case closed.

This is what happens with many casinos, big or small.

So why this one got affirmation from other DTs to the best of their knowledge that the casino violate a written contract, when the contract written between the player and the casino itself is fulfilled?

And like I said, I am simply respond to a call. Not whitewashing. The casino nudged me few weeks back through PM, with link to two threads and explanation that they want to get themselves retried. I dismissed at that time as I don't think they're serious. I don't even read the PM. They nudge me again with the ruling from CG for the other thread, and I say... "mehh, why not? Someone call for an honest insight and mediation." So I jump in to that thread, then it's not really a rocket science to follow the breadcrumbs to this thread [even when --now I realize after I really read the PM-- the two links I mentioned earlier attached in the PMs are directly about this and the one with Gekke.

So? Writen contract is fulfilled. Why do many DTs still affirm to the best of their knowledge that the casino violate it?

[KTChampions]

You're deliberately lying. The original post clearly states that the casino stole the player's winnings, and provides all the evidence. The casino has been flagged for stealing winnings.
This has nothing to do with the deposit refund.
Honestly, why are you trying to whitewash the scammers? You did this in another thread dedicated to Coinplay, too. I don't believe that anyone rational can defend serial scammers "altruistically." And I find it hard to believe that you came into the thread (without reading it) and "accidentally" sided with the casino.

On which part do I lie?
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Keyword: you can withdraw the deposited sum only, and then he did. A written terms is given by one side and it is taken by the other side.

This is where you're lying. The OP accuses the casino of stealing his winnings. He initially stated that the casino allowed him to withdraw his initial deposit, but the issue is precisely the theft of winnings. It was for this theft that the casino received a red flag.

You're trying to pretend the written agreement regarding the withdrawal of the initial deposit has been fulfilled (and indeed, it has been fulfilled) and the matter has been settled. But the issue is about the theft of winnings, not the initial deposit. Your manipulations are very naive.

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So? Writen contract is fulfilled. Why do many DTs still affirm to the best of their knowledge that the casino violate it?

See? You're lying again: the written contract (regarding the payout of winnings) was not fulfilled. That's why the casino was unanimously flagged.
By the way, where's your vote? If you think the flag is unfair, you should vote against it. Do it. I'd love to watch you completely embarrass yourself.

[holydarkness]

You're deliberately lying. The original post clearly states that the casino stole the player's winnings, and provides all the evidence. The casino has been flagged for stealing winnings.
This has nothing to do with the deposit refund.
Honestly, why are you trying to whitewash the scammers? You did this in another thread dedicated to Coinplay, too. I don't believe that anyone rational can defend serial scammers "altruistically." And I find it hard to believe that you came into the thread (without reading it) and "accidentally" sided with the casino.

On which part do I lie?
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Keyword: you can withdraw the deposited sum only, and then he did. A written terms is given by one side and it is taken by the other side.

This is where you're lying. The OP accuses the casino of stealing his winnings. He initially stated that the casino allowed him to withdraw his initial deposit, but the issue is precisely the theft of winnings. It was for this theft that the casino received a red flag.

You're trying to pretend the written agreement regarding the withdrawal of the initial deposit has been fulfilled (and indeed, it has been fulfilled) and the matter has been settled. But the issue is about the theft of winnings, not the initial deposit. Your manipulations are very naive.

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So? Writen contract is fulfilled. Why do many DTs still affirm to the best of their knowledge that the casino violate it?

See? You're lying again: the written contract (regarding the payout of winnings) was not fulfilled. That's why the casino was unanimously flagged.
By the way, where's your vote? If you think the flag is unfair, you should vote against it. Do it. I'd love to watch you completely embarrass yourself.

Kindly point me out to the written contract where the casino agree to pay the winnings and then bailed out? Because... that's what you affirm to the best of your knowledge: that the casino didn't fulfill their end of the contract and thus didn't make the other side roguhly whole.

[KTChampions]

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This is where you're lying. The OP accuses the casino of stealing his winnings. He initially stated that the casino allowed him to withdraw his initial deposit, but the issue is precisely the theft of winnings. It was for this theft that the casino received a red flag.

You're trying to pretend the written agreement regarding the withdrawal of the initial deposit has been fulfilled (and indeed, it has been fulfilled) and the matter has been settled. But the issue is about the theft of winnings, not the initial deposit. Your manipulations are very naive.

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So? Writen contract is fulfilled. Why do many DTs still affirm to the best of their knowledge that the casino violate it?

See? You're lying again: the written contract (regarding the payout of winnings) was not fulfilled. That's why the casino was unanimously flagged.
By the way, where's your vote? If you think the flag is unfair, you should vote against it. Do it. I'd love to watch you completely embarrass yourself.

Kindly point me out to the written contract where the casino agree to pay the winnings and then bailed out? Because... that's what you affirm to the best of your knowledge: that the casino didn't fulfill their end of the contract and thus didn't make the other side roguhly whole.

The first post contains enough information. Don't try to demagogue and ask questions like, "Can you prove that the dollars shown on the player's balance are real dollars and not Monopoly wrappers? What's the ToS clause?". https://imgur.com/a/VqDJWpQ

I'll repeat my question: If you think the flag is unfair, where's your vote? Are you just trying to avoid getting dirty? But you've already soiled yourself by siding with the swindlers. Take a formal step and vote against the flags, or are all your arguments worthless?

[holydarkness]

Kindly point me out to the written contract where the casino agree to pay the winnings and then bailed out? Because... that's what you affirm to the best of your knowledge: that the casino didn't fulfill their end of the contract and thus didn't make the other side roguhly whole.

The first post contains enough information. Don't try to demagogue and ask questions like, "Can you prove that the dollars shown on the player's balance are real dollars and not Monopoly wrappers? What's the ToS clause?". https://imgur.com/a/VqDJWpQ

I'll repeat my question: If you think the flag is unfair, where's your vote? Are you just trying to avoid getting dirty? But you've already soiled yourself by siding with the swindlers. Take a formal step and vote against the flags, or are all your arguments worthless?

There, my opposition.

Because like other neutral DTs, I am one that is not afraid to retract my support/opposition when other DTs informed me to the clearest that there was an error in judgment. If they prove me with enough evidence to retract my vote, I'll honorably and gladly do so, as per my duty as DT, a neutral overseers of the forum.

Now tell me, as you're supporting it and I called it, on what point do the other party enter the binding written contract that they then violate, that thus trigger you and other DTs to support the flag? Because I can't find anything written from their side, that they breached, that I would dare to stake to oppose.

Like it or not, it's your turn, tell us, the public, what or where is the contract that the first party --CoinPlay-- writtenly and thus explicitly entered and agreed into agreement, that they later breached?

Keyword: written contract. That's what you attest to the best to your knowledge being breached.

[KTChampions]

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Now tell me, as you're supporting it and I called it, on what point do the other party enter the binding written contract that they then violate, that thus trigger you and other DTs to support the flag? Because I can't find anything written from their side, that they breached, that I would dare to stake to oppose.
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I already told you, don't try to resort to demagoguery and ask for "proof" of a case that was resolved two years ago and is now being presented by a new generation of scammers:

Our project was inactive for some time and was then sold. We are the project's new team~

You can embarrass yourself as much as you like and propose discussions about "should casinos pay out players' winnings?" and even look for these points in the ToS (i wonder how you can find the ToS of an old project, although no, it's not interesting - any sane person understands that a casino is obligated to pay out winnings.).
For reference, I'll simply record that a DT member holydarkness opposes the flag against proven scammers:

[mikeywith]

I feel like I have to insult you for tagging me in this stupid post, but I'll try to be as polite as I possibly can here. Your argument is dumb as fuck; just because they allowed him to withdraw the initial deposit doesn't mean they didn't scam him for his winnings, and mind you, even if they decided to let him keep the winnings now after he went after them, I will not withdraw my flag, because once a scumbag, always a scumbag.