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April 15, 2023, 04:58:20 AM
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The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.

Do not even hope that Russia will win this war. The Russian professional army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine. Recently there was information that the army special forces of Russia have already suffered losses of 90-95 percent due to the fact that Putin wants to capture the small town of Bakhmut at all costs in order to show the Russians at least some kind of victory. Therefore, Russia threw its remnants of special forces and airborne troops to capture him, which are almost over. It will take at least ten years for Russia to restore these elite troops.

Now, through electronic subpoenas, the Kremlin wants to conscript at least 400,000 of the country's able-bodied population into the army. This will lead to a collapse in the demographic sphere and possible riots.

Most importantly, the Russians do not understand why they should go to Ukraine and die there. With an extremely low moral and psychological state and already with an acute shortage of military equipment and weapons, wars of conquest are not won.

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April 15, 2023, 05:33:57 PM
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War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.

Bruh, I feel you on the war and sht going on between Russia and Ukraine. Wars are a real mess, and they can fck up society for a long time. But there are always people making money off it. Usually, it's those with access to resources and technology that they can use to get rich from war.

The ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine has really messed up the economy for a bunch of countries. Lots of products and services aren't available anymore because of the war. But there are people benefiting from it too, like those making and selling arms and ammunition, or those giving logistical support to the military.

The war in Ukraine is hella complicated, and it's not easy to find a solution that everyone will be happy with. But we can do stuff to help innocent civilians, like giving aid and support to those affected by the war. And we need to get the warring parties to talk and find a peaceful solution to the conflict.
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April 16, 2023, 03:09:24 PM
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Do not even hope that Russia will win this war. The Russian professional army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine. Recently there was information that the army special forces of Russia have already suffered losses of 90-95 percent due to the fact that Putin wants to capture the small town of Bakhmut at all costs in order to show the Russians at least some kind of victory. Therefore, Russia threw its remnants of special forces and airborne troops to capture him, which are almost over. It will take at least ten years for Russia to restore these elite troops.

Now, through electronic subpoenas, the Kremlin wants to conscript at least 400,000 of the country's able-bodied population into the army. This will lead to a collapse in the demographic sphere and possible riots.

Most importantly, the Russians do not understand why they should go to Ukraine and die there. With an extremely low moral and psychological state and already with an acute shortage of military equipment and weapons, wars of conquest are not won.
 
Ukraine is still losing territory, recently Russia captured 80 percent of the city of Bakhmut Ukraine Armey is withdrawing from all the cities near the frontline. If Russia has lost 90 percent of soldiers then how this is possible? and Ukraine has recently received advanced weapons from United states and other NATO countries till now Russia has ordered only one round of mobilization on the other has Ukraine has impose  14 rounds of mobilization. For me it looks a safe Russia is having plenty of reserve soldiers  while Ukraine is running out of manpower.
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April 16, 2023, 04:03:50 PM
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Do not even hope that Russia will win this war. The Russian professional army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine. Recently there was information that the army special forces of Russia have already suffered losses of 90-95 percent due to the fact that Putin wants to capture the small town of Bakhmut at all costs in order to show the Russians at least some kind of victory. Therefore, Russia threw its remnants of special forces and airborne troops to capture him, which are almost over. It will take at least ten years for Russia to restore these elite troops.

Now, through electronic subpoenas, the Kremlin wants to conscript at least 400,000 of the country's able-bodied population into the army. This will lead to a collapse in the demographic sphere and possible riots.

Most importantly, the Russians do not understand why they should go to Ukraine and die there. With an extremely low moral and psychological state and already with an acute shortage of military equipment and weapons, wars of conquest are not won.
 
Ukraine is still losing territory, recently Russia captured 80 percent of the city of Bakhmut Ukraine Armey is withdrawing from all the cities near the frontline. If Russia has lost 90 percent of soldiers then how this is possible? and Ukraine has recently received advanced weapons from United states and other NATO countries till now Russia has ordered only one round of mobilization on the other has Ukraine has impose  14 rounds of mobilization. For me it looks a safe Russia is having plenty of reserve soldiers  while Ukraine is running out of manpower.
Ukraine has not lost its territories for a long time, and with some exceptions, it is only returning back. In practice, this happened two months after the Russian attack, when the central and northern regions of Ukraine were liberated. In any case, after the mobilization of more than 300 thousand people in Russia in September and the Russian winter offensive, the Ukrainians did not lose their territory.

  The fighting in Bakhmut takes place with varying success, since the Russians make more than a hundred attacks per day, incurring colossal losses. In recent days, the center of Bakhmut, the railway station, the railway was again recaptured from the Russians, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are successfully counterattacking. Both roads leading to Bakhmut are also under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The Ukrainian army does not retreat in any sector of the front. This information is incorrect. Moreover, except for Bakhmut and Avdiivka, as well as at Svatovo and Kremennaya, the Russians do not attack anywhere else and go on the defensive, since they do not have enough troops or equipment to attack.

Now in Ukraine, the formation of the so-called "Offensive Guard" of about 60-70 thousand exclusively volunteers with experience in combat operations or law enforcement agencies is nearing completion. They will be the shock fist of the spring offensive. In a month or a month and a half, we will see how the Russians will flee in panic from the south and east of Ukraine. It's not long now.

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April 16, 2023, 04:10:40 PM
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The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.

Do not even hope that Russia will win this war. The Russian professional army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine. Recently there was information that the army special forces of Russia have already suffered losses of 90-95 percent due to the fact that Putin wants to capture the small town of Bakhmut at all costs in order to show the Russians at least some kind of victory. Therefore, Russia threw its remnants of special forces and airborne troops to capture him, which are almost over. It will take at least ten years for Russia to restore these elite troops.

Now, through electronic subpoenas, the Kremlin wants to conscript at least 400,000 of the country's able-bodied population into the army. This will lead to a collapse in the demographic sphere and possible riots.

Most importantly, the Russians do not understand why they should go to Ukraine and die there. With an extremely low moral and psychological state and already with an acute shortage of military equipment and weapons, wars of conquest are not won.
There are so many persons or countries that can benefit from a war depending on the level of the war. Those who are sending weapons to there favorite country that are involved in the war are the one that used to benefit. War is not good at all that is why I will never support ear at all. If we look at the current war between the Russians and Ukraine, there are a lot of countries that may be benefiting indirectly from the war using Ukraine as a stepping stone to get what they want from the war attacking Russia indirectly using Ukraine.

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April 16, 2023, 04:15:17 PM
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Frankly, the US is the cause of this war, and they are the party that is receiving a lot of orders to buy weapons from allies in the world, so it can be said that the US is the most beneficial party. Besides, because of the war, the world fell into an economic crisis, also when they exported inflation to the countries that were their debtors.
Let's say what you say is true, but actually you also shouldn't accuse them like that without attaching evidence, because accusing a party without including evidence is also not good. Even though war and inflation do have causes, so everyone needs to look for the real causes to be disclosed to the public without accusing what is in each person's mind, because during a war only certain parties can benefit while most people only feel trouble.
The recent pentagon leak by the 21 years old national guard that's currently facing charges for the unprofessional act does raises questions if really the US is a party to the cause of this war or not and going by the leakage information it's obvious for an open minded person to agree if they have a hand in it or not.  Moreso there are other issues that follows in the information that surfaces out to the public apart from the issue of the Ukraine-Russia war. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/4/14/pentagon-leak-suspect-faces-charges-in-us-court&ved=2ahUKEwiQ352s5K7-AhU7hP0HHS0VBgkQFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1nXmnKqqMHBMeGIb-TNFxl

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April 16, 2023, 11:27:06 PM
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Talking about benefits, I would say war never brings benefits.
War always brings destruction to both sides. And if I say who benefited from this war then I would say Russia. moreover, in all other fields, all the countries of the world are facing economic crisis. I think this situation is due to the introduction of various restrictions on oil and gas.

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April 16, 2023, 11:45:09 PM
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Talking about benefits, I would say war never brings benefits.
War always brings destruction to both sides. And if I say who benefited from this war then I would say Russia. moreover, in all other fields, all the countries of the world are facing economic crisis. I think this situation is due to the introduction of various restrictions on oil and gas.
When there happens war, each and everyone in the world suffers some sort of economic difficulty. This happens as a result of country's having dependency over each other for some needs. Apart all this the big profit makers or the benefiting one's during the war were the war equipment selling countries. When war takes place big business takes place.

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April 17, 2023, 02:44:16 AM
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Talking about benefits, I would say war never brings benefits.
War always brings destruction to both sides. And if I say who benefited from this war then I would say Russia. moreover, in all other fields, all the countries of the world are facing economic crisis. I think this situation is due to the introduction of various restrictions on oil and gas.
When there happens war, each and everyone in the world suffers some sort of economic difficulty. This happens as a result of country's having dependency over each other for some needs. Apart all this the big profit makers or the benefiting one's during the war were the war equipment selling countries. When war takes place big business takes place.
Humanely, war will only make everyone miserable, especially the people. but behind the war, of course, there is a separate mission from the rulers who certainly want their goals to be achieved with sacrifices that have been calculated beforehand, so that if their goals are achieved, then they will benefit, and of course they also make cooperation with other countries to supply weapons and other equipment, for example .

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April 17, 2023, 08:41:20 AM
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When two guys got into a fight outside a supermarket because one guy accidentally pushed the other, that's war too. 

Both guys in the fight will receive serious bodily harm.  It is also possible that they will be taken to the police (for fighting in a public place).  That is, the confrontation brings trouble to both sides of the conflict. 

In a war between countries, everything is the same.  Governments convince people that wars are inevitable, but this is a lie. 

Wars happen because of the stupidity of government officials, because of their ambition, because of their appalling incompetence and lack of interpersonal skills.  There is no benefit to the belligerents from wars.

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Humanely, war will only make everyone miserable, especially the people. but behind the war, of course, there is a separate mission from the rulers who certainly want their goals to be achieved with sacrifices that have been calculated beforehand, so that if their goals are achieved, then they will benefit, and of course they also make cooperation with other countries to supply weapons and other equipment, for example .
You are talking very vaguely about the mission of the rulers who start the war, and about their goals in a particular war.
  In February last year, Russia attacked Ukraine with its eight armies, some 180,000-200,000 in total. Moreover, the attack was from three sides: from the south, from the side of the previously captured Crimean peninsula, from the east, where Russia had attacked the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine eight years before, and also from the north, from Belarus. What then, in your opinion, was the mission of the rulers of Russia, making such an attack, and what were the goals in this war?

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April 17, 2023, 02:04:53 PM
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When two guys got into a fight outside a supermarket because one guy accidentally pushed the other, that's war too. 

Both guys in the fight will receive serious bodily harm.  It is also possible that they will be taken to the police (for fighting in a public place).  That is, the confrontation brings trouble to both sides of the conflict. 

In a war between countries, everything is the same.  Governments convince people that wars are inevitable, but this is a lie. 

Wars happen because of the stupidity of government officials, because of their ambition, because of their appalling incompetence and lack of interpersonal skills.  There is no benefit to the belligerents from wars.
only big companies and corporations who support war are the victors, and i don't think that's a good thing for both parties since everyone is suffering and having to deal with casualties. in result, high number of medicine, food, ammunitions, war supplies and even real estate maintenance is required, and what does it benefit on that area? they get to defend their titles and land? or their beliefs? nothing comes out good from war, it only causes endless suffering for those who are left alive, and what? it'll become a huge part of history that due to political conflicts, a  large number of lives are lost.
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April 17, 2023, 07:10:02 PM
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agree with what you said, war should not happen because it will affect the next generations.
As for the war that is currently happening, various major problems are arising throughout the world, apart from the unstable global economic situation due to the war. but behind the war that occurred there were also countries that had weapons manufacturers who took advantage and took advantage of the ongoing war, of course by supplying weapons to countries that were at war, therefore the benefits would be obtained by certain countries.

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War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


When times are good, the rich prosper, when times are bad - they make a lot more money provided they have even the most basic investment plan. As we see, military industrial companies have made a huge swing back in the last year since the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Business had died off substantially, especially with the withdrawal of forces from places like Afghanistan and military budgets falling due to the perceived stability in the world. Oil and energy companies have also profited hugely off the more restricted sources available. However there have definitely been many losers in this scenario, like any foods that rely on grains because Ukraine and Russia supplied huge amounts into the world foodchain.

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April 17, 2023, 09:53:13 PM
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Talking about benefits, I would say war never brings benefits.
War always brings destruction to both sides. And if I say who benefited from this war then I would say Russia. moreover, in all other fields, all the countries of the world are facing economic crisis. I think this situation is due to the introduction of various restrictions on oil and gas.
When there happens war, each and everyone in the world suffers some sort of economic difficulty. This happens as a result of country's having dependency over each other for some needs. Apart all this the big profit makers or the benefiting one's during the war were the war equipment selling countries. When war takes place big business takes place.
Humanely, war will only make everyone miserable, especially the people. but behind the war, of course, there is a separate mission from the rulers who certainly want their goals to be achieved with sacrifices that have been calculated beforehand, so that if their goals are achieved, then they will benefit, and of course they also make cooperation with other countries to supply weapons and other equipment, for example .

Agreed, in addition, the people who experience the war especially civilians would really suffer some psychological trauma that I think would greatly affect the mental health of these people. Also, we cannot deny that when a country becomes the war zone area, the existing buildings and landscape will be damage that would just only constitute to costs when the war is over. Therefore, it is indeed that no one would have benefits from these wars.
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War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.

There is no winner in war, war is just a kind of devastation, no one benefits on it, it can make the life more miserable specially when you are in a country that involves on it. Leaders knows what's best for the country but sometimes they are also greedy, they are humans and they can also make a wrong decision and we suffers from thier mistakes. So for me always no to war if we can talk the issue in a good way.


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April 18, 2023, 10:47:46 AM
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The one who provides so-called "help". In the current Russia-Ukraine war, the USA is only providing that much of the weapon which is necessary for them to keep fighting and survive. Not to win the war. Because if they offer them all the resources, they will become a trained force with advanced weapons, which is also will become a threat to NATO. They will become a deadly threat to any other country or system.
That's why most of the weapon provided by the USA is failing too. They are just providing the mostly working weapons. On the other hand, Russia is buying back the sold weapons from China.
If we connect the dots, China and USA are the ones benefitting from this kind of situation.
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War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.

War never brings anything good which only brings destruction. The crisis created by the war between Ukraine and Russia has made life difficult for people. There is nothing to gain by this war. Rather, people are constantly losing their lives, houses and agricultural lands are being destroyed. It has no positive site. But some are speculating that two major countries are taking advantage of this ongoing war namely China and India. Who are buying fuel from Russia in cheap price. But the people of most countries are suffering greatly. From my point of view both countries have to be flexible or this war will not end.

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April 18, 2023, 03:01:44 PM
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The one who provides so-called "help". In the current Russia-Ukraine war, the USA is only providing that much of the weapon which is necessary for them to keep fighting and survive. Not to win the war. Because if they offer them all the resources, they will become a trained force with advanced weapons, which is also will become a threat to NATO. They will become a deadly threat to any other country or system.
That's why most of the weapon provided by the USA is failing too. They are just providing the mostly working weapons. On the other hand, Russia is buying back the sold weapons from China.
If we connect the dots, China and USA are the ones benefitting from this kind of situation.
In principle, we can agree with your opinion. The military assistance provided to Ukraine is untimely and insufficient. At first, Ukraine was helped only by Javelins and Stingers. This, in fact, is a light portable weapon for conducting partisan struggle in the conditions of the occupation of Ukrainian territories by Russia. Because no one, including in the United States, believed that Ukraine would be able to resist Russia for a long time.

Heavy armored vehicles began to arrive at the beginning of this year, and then in very small batches. Moreover, long-range weapons and ammunition are not provided to Ukraine so far. This indicates that the US and NATO want, most likely, to weaken Russia as much as possible militarily and economically, but not completely destroy it, through the hands of the Ukrainians. In such a situation, Ukraine will suffer great material and human losses. The situation is saved only by the courage and professionalism of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

It is also true that Ukraine received working weapons, mostly of Soviet production. But there are many objective reasons here, since the provision of weapons is late, but they are very much needed at the front. Therefore, they give what is familiar to the Ukrainian military. This is also beneficial for the countries of Europe, because instead of the old Soviet weapons they receive new NATO ones.

But Ukraine is already grateful for the assistance rendered to it. Without it, it would be very difficult to resist Russia.

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Talking about benefits, I would say war never brings benefits.
War always brings destruction to both sides. And if I say who benefited from this war then I would say Russia. moreover, in all other fields, all the countries of the world are facing economic crisis. I think this situation is due to the introduction of various restrictions on oil and gas.

I am not an expert but I assume there have been companies that own weapons and ammunition factories around Europe, USA or even in China which probably are having a good time since this invasion started against the Ukrainian people, after all, there are already rumors and informs from the USA-Ukranian side that they are running low in ammo which only means that manufacturers will get more money to increase their production and the owners of such factories can pocket a good money our of this situation.

They may not even be interested in the specific situation of the war, but like the extra work they are getting to do for both factions.  Roll Eyes

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