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Title: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Lida93 on March 05, 2023, 02:04:40 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Yatsan on March 05, 2023, 02:45:24 PM
Winning country. Dominance.
But obviously, none of them are winning. Wars are not really beneficial and will never be necessary. Bigger problems will just arise and will just make the possibility for things to be followed by other countries as well. Hundreds and thousands of lives are being killed during a war. Economic crises are also being a struggle during such thing. It will also take long amount of time to completely recover and before making use of the dominance won over the other countries. This is just how power is being percieved by some countries who are used on solving inter country problems with brute force.  We're done with colonialism, we should never go back again with the time wherein killing and mass destruction are considered to be a solution.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Lucius on March 05, 2023, 02:53:41 PM
Those who produce and sell weapons always benefit the most from war, because during wars the demand for weapons increases. The data show that in just one year, Ukraine consumed as much specific artillery ammunition as the US otherwise produces in even 5 years - and now, of course, production must be significantly increased in order to satisfy the demand to some extent.

Another industry that profits are those that produce medical supplies, especially those used on the battlefield such as bandages, infusions, painkillers and the like. In addition, the war creates thousands of disabled people who need prostheses and various other medical aids.

For most people, war means death, serious injuries, loss of apartments, houses, cars and more or less serious psychological consequences in the form of post-traumatic stress. However, for some it is really a time of great profit - and in my area there is a saying that says "war is a war for someone, and a brother for someone else".


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: ilovealtcoins on March 05, 2023, 03:16:41 PM
Frankly, the US is the cause of this war, and they are the party that is receiving a lot of orders to buy weapons from allies in the world, so it can be said that the US is the most beneficial party. Besides, because of the war, the world fell into an economic crisis, also when they exported inflation to the countries that were their debtors.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: pooya87 on March 05, 2023, 03:44:36 PM
I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
It depends on the scale of the war, the region and how many or who is involved in the direct armed conflict. The chaos large scale wars like the two European Wars also known as World Wars 1 and 2 create benefit those who stay far away from that chaos like United States. In WW2 for example, US benefited the most since it was far away and wasn't impacted as much as say Europe itself which then led to giving US tremendous amount of power which they abused in the past 80 years.

The Russian-NATO war is a medium scale war at best since it is focused in one small area of the world and the impacts are different depending on the distance and involved in the actual conflict for each country.
For example US like the WW2 is benefiting the most since they could successfully rescue their failing economy for the time being by creating more market for their exports (eg. LNG to Europe or the massive increase in weapons sale) that couldn't have existed without this war.
Other countries like Europe (different countries in the region with different degrees but all the same) are negatively impacted since they are being abused by US (ie. selling much more expensive LNG to Europe instead of the super cheap Russian gas they used to receive) so the impact is huge and negative. Like the ongoing deindustrialization in Europe.

Other countries that are also far from this conflict are seeing a range of different effects depending on their involvement and level of independence. For example a country that lacks independence like Japan is being forced into suffering negative economical impacts while countries with more independence like China are taking advantage of this situation and are expanding their economy (China is actually reporting high growths these days!) by having access to cheaper energy, taking over markets that were left by Europeans, attracting investment and industries that left regions like Europe, etc.

With the rest of the countries being in between like Turkey, India, etc. that are experiencing both negative and positive impacts. Like Turkey taking advantage of the chaos to seek benefits geopolitically speaking.

That's just a summary though, your question can't be answered any better due to the broad nature of it. It is best to analyze the situation per country not as a whole. For example even in a region like Europe there are major differences between each country like Italy seeing a different impact than France for instance and they are both different from a country like Latvia in Eastern Europe.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: slashz9 on March 05, 2023, 03:53:55 PM
my opinion winning country will get benefit from it,but at all there is nothing worse bad than a war.
it is generally believed that some parties may be profiting from the war, both directly and indirectly.
For example, arms dealers and weapons manufacturers may be benefiting from the increased demand for military equipment and supplies. Other industries that may be profiting include security and surveillance companies, as well as contractors involved in rebuilding and reconstruction efforts.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: nicolas1979 on March 05, 2023, 04:03:24 PM
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
Of course, many parties benefited from the war. One of them is a country that produces sophisticated war equipment, and sells it to countries that are at war. I did not specify which countries benefited, but some understand this. If war is not something you want, why should sophisticated war equipment be developed?
Of course, for the goods to sell, then there must be a bigger war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: rat03gopoh on March 05, 2023, 04:08:08 PM
I wanna mention weapon companies, it sounds like it's unethical to classify them as taking advantages on suffering. But if you look at the facts, the amount of their production increased dramatically during the war. Take the example of the Du Pont company, branded the "Merchant of Death"[1].

1. https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,934496,00.html


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: bittraffic on March 05, 2023, 04:23:03 PM
Winning country. Dominance.
But obviously, none of them are winning. Wars are not really beneficial and will never be necessary. Bigger problems will just arise and will just make the possibility for things to be followed by other countries as well. Hundreds and thousands of lives are being killed during a war. Economic crises are also being a struggle during such thing. It will also take long amount of time to completely recover and before making use of the dominance won over the other countries. This is just how power is being percieved by some countries who are used on solving inter country problems with brute force.  We're done with colonialism, we should never go back again with the time wherein killing and mass destruction are considered to be a solution.

Which side doesn't war to end is usually the one that has benefited the most.  It's always money.
I can't say it's not necessary because if Russia won't be aggressive, Putin will be overthrown and replaced by a US government-friendly president which basically means colonized. Powerful countries have been colonizing the smaller ones, it may not be the way like 1500 AD but it's all the same as colonizing.  Falkland is very far away from the UK but why do they own it? They colonized it the same as Hongkong a long time ago.

Once China becomes bigger, they may also do the same to Africa, put up a president that will make China thier world leader, and may even educate the African kids to speak Chinese. I believe they already are doing this.

But you can also say the US is getting weaker in the economy and has no manpower to go to war and the stronger countries like China and Russia is challenging their dominance.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: EarnOnVictor on March 05, 2023, 04:27:51 PM
People don't appreciate peace until there is war, and war is destructive, which is why I will always advocate for peace as war is never the humane solution. It's just a show of tyranny. There is no way the involved countries can benefit from the war, they will always lose resources and souls to it. In the case of Ukraine and Russia, though Russia is not destroyed, they have lost thousands of souls and billions of dollars to this senseless war and will continue to lose more.

Ukraine on the other hand has lost more, including the destruction of the country. However, there are companies that would benefit from this war, they are the weapon-producing companies, and this will benefit the economy of their countries.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: palle11 on March 05, 2023, 04:53:37 PM
No doubt that some countries do benefit from the negative consequences like war. With the scenario we see in between Russia and Ukraine, no doubt the adversity is getting some countries very rich in their dealings in supply of war materials. During this time, the demand for substances to executive the war increases, not only hardware but soft ware like military kits also.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Die_empty on March 05, 2023, 05:41:57 PM
The first persons that gain during wars are the producers of military hardware or equipment. Waring nations are willing to pay anything to buy weapons to defend their lands and win the war. The sponsors of the war also benefit because after the war they would gain from their investment through unbalanced trade deals. Corrupt government official always like war because it is a great opportunity to loot the country's resources like in the  case of Ukraine. It is the public domain that corrupt government officials in Ukraine have been inflating contracts to enrich themselves. Ukraine is currently fighting the wars against Russia and corruption.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: aoluain on March 05, 2023, 06:06:04 PM
Because of the destructive nature of war post war development takes skilled and
experienced people and companies to rebuild so construction and development
companies will benefit from what is happening in Ukraine because in the contested areas
there is little left.

Also the development which has to take place needs to be financed, so there will be plenty
of investment funds and companies tripping over themselves to get all or part of
the massive growth available.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Fortify on March 05, 2023, 08:46:02 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


There are definitely plenty of companies out there who profit and lose from these kind of wars. It appears that military related companies are set for a big boom after they've struggled in some countries for a long time with shrinking armies in places like Europe. Even more civilian companies that you might not think will benefit are getting a big boost - like aerospace manufacturers. Then there are others like oil and gas companies, who have made huge profits due to the fear of supply interruptions and the imbalances that happened early on. Certain mining companies will be big winners if they are able to sell their product for more after supply was limited from Ukrainian and Russia sources.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: crzy on March 05, 2023, 09:38:54 PM
Some countries are taking advantage of the situation, and yes they benefited from this war and maybe that’s why they are pushing this to happen more. Those who sell weapons are making a lot of money from the war and that is supported by the government. Some are taking advantage to increase their sale of gas because of the absence from the Russian gas because of the restriction. Feel sorry to those who suffered a lot because this useless war, I can’t imagine how Ukraine rise again after this devastating war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: coupable on March 05, 2023, 09:46:22 PM
Almost no event can enrich the imperial economy more than wars. Imperialism means that a country wants to acquire more resources and new markets. Wars are a vital element for the continued development of those economies that are based on resources that belong to other peoples.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: serjent05 on March 05, 2023, 09:58:16 PM
I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.

Weapon supplier is obviously the one that benefits the most during war.  I cannot say that the winning country got the benefit because they had lost lots of men and military power, yes they occupied a space in the country but do you think it is enough for the lives lost during the war?  the sufferings of the citizen due to economic sanctions and the possible future war when the lost country plan to retake their land.  All in all countries participating in a war never benefits in it, it is the weapon manufacturer that wins this war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: livingfree on March 05, 2023, 10:09:49 PM
I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
Arms dealers, through selling of those arms and other weapons. That's the reality about this war.

Like in a gold rush, those that have sold shovels were the ones who took advantage of the situation and they're the ones who benefited it. Just like on every war, the providers and merchants of weapons are the ones who become wealthy.

But the sad truth is, too many lives are taken away and these wars are unlikely to be stopped because of many political disagreement and as well as territorial disputes.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: samcrypto on March 05, 2023, 10:26:35 PM
Almost no event can enrich the imperial economy more than wars. Imperialism means that a country wants to acquire more resources and new markets. Wars are a vital element for the continued development of those economies that are based on resources that belong to other peoples.

Definitely, no wonder why some government are funding the terrorist just continue their business of providing weapons and making a lot of budget specifically for the purpose of their defense. In some countries, the defense department spend a lot of money compare to any department. Many benefited from this war, its bad to the public of course but for those businesses, its a good opportunity for them to produce more. The public are the one who suffers from this especially the current war in Ukraine.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: dothebeats on March 05, 2023, 11:36:45 PM
Suppliers of weapons, tools, food, and other stuff to the belligerents of war will always be the winners--granted the world hasn't end based on this war that they supplied. The winners gain dominance and some control over the losers, and they get to shape the new world and established new rules that favors them, but not for long. Conflicts will always be there as long as humans continue to strive for power and control, and as long as they do that, there will come a time wherein no winners will be left after a war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: xSkylarx on March 06, 2023, 01:22:45 AM
When we talk about the Ukraine and Russia war, only Russia has benefits from it as they can gain land, but for Ukraine, they are fighting for freedom. Also in war, the only thing that can benefit is the business of weaponry dealers like those who will make tanks, arm weapons, and anything else that was used in war because the demand is increasing, so they will make and make until the end of the war, meaning they are getting money from those countries on war. We normal people are affected by it, and we can't stop it on our own.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Dickiy on March 06, 2023, 01:24:15 AM
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With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
If you look at the advantages, of course there are advantages that can be considered as advantages if won by Russia or by the countries that carry out raids, such as expanding territory, colonial areas, either avoiding threats or maintaining the security of their own country, continuing to gain power and so that movement is wider in future reign.
And if Ukraine wins in this war and survives until Russia stops its attacks there will be many benefits because it will be considered the strongest country other than in the control of Ukraine it will grow faster because of course there will be many countries that support it because Ukraine can be said to have won achievements in war because it can survive against one of the giant countries.
Speaking of other parties, of course there are either individually or as a state. In this war, countries that produce war equipment, energy, foodstuffs and others will benefit from rising prices due to the difficulty of access to distribution and the large number of requests so they can control and increase prices.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Sarah Azhari on March 06, 2023, 01:55:36 AM
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
War can be used as a reference for developed countries to increase their defense budgets, for example, in China, even if they aren't indirectly involved in Russia and Ukraine war, but the government makes this as a reference and propose to parliament to increase the budget next year (2023). of course, this is indirectly an advantage, If have a big budget, the china government will be free to manage the budget without thinking of the economical case.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: yhiaali3 on March 06, 2023, 02:26:58 AM
We have an Arab proverb that says: “The misfortunes of some people are the benefits of other people.”

Through my experience with the war here in my country, I believe that the biggest beneficiaries of wars are arms dealers and drug dealers. They hope that the war will not end because it causes their trade to flourish, even if at the expense of the blood of innocent people.

Therefore, the biggest beneficiaries of this war are the arms companies that sell weapons to Ukraine, and on the other side are the companies that provide the raw materials needed for the Russian arms industry.

In addition to these, there are countries that have begun to compensate for the lack of food and fuel that used to come through Russia and Ukraine.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Minecache on March 06, 2023, 03:45:11 AM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


War or pandemic, there will always be a beneficiary behind it. I believe that war does not happen naturally, but behind the group's interests, the group that benefits the most from war are companies and corporations that provide weapons and military equipment. Trading in weapons like any other commodity, needs to be consumed and used to make a profit, and to consume weapons there must be war. The arms business is the most profitable of all the businesses.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: fadhilz123 on March 06, 2023, 03:47:48 AM
Frankly, the US is the cause of this war, and they are the party that is receiving a lot of orders to buy weapons from allies in the world, so it can be said that the US is the most beneficial party. Besides, because of the war, the world fell into an economic crisis, also when they exported inflation to the countries that were their debtors.
Let's say what you say is true, but actually you also shouldn't accuse them like that without attaching evidence, because accusing a party without including evidence is also not good. Even though war and inflation do have causes, so everyone needs to look for the real causes to be disclosed to the public without accusing what is in each person's mind, because during a war only certain parties can benefit while most people only feel trouble.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: LogitechMouse on March 06, 2023, 04:07:23 AM
Suppliers of weapons, tools, food, and other stuff to the belligerents of war will always be the winners--granted the world hasn't end based on this war that they supplied. The winners gain dominance and some control over the losers, and they get to shape the new world and established new rules that favors them, but not for long. Conflicts will always be there as long as humans continue to strive for power and control, and as long as they do that, there will come a time wherein no winners will be left after a war.
With this, I remember the story back of the Gold Rush back in the 19th century where people are rushing to mine gold back at that time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_rush
Who are the winners of that event? The miners? Yep, maybe, but the main winners of that one are the ones who sold pickaxes to those miners. No critical thinking involved. I mean they are the suppliers of the main thing that everyone needs to mine Gold.

It's the same thing with this one. The suppliers of the weapons are the main winners aside from the countries that will win because of that war. I don't like wars and so do we, but we can't prevent it especially when a huge countries want to be more dominant and their only way is to conquer other countries.

I just hope that whatever war countries have right now, must end it because of the casualties after the war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: libert19 on March 06, 2023, 04:17:59 AM
No one benefits, wars are due to ego. Even if there is obvious harm involved to oneself, egotistic person would still go harm's way.

You can check wars happened in history or current one, there will be egotistic reason behind each.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 06, 2023, 05:58:23 AM
The biggest benefit from every war is the third party who manages to put the belligerents at odds through his deception. In addition, those who sell weapons to disputing parties also benefit greatly because they can sell many of their weapons under the pretext of helping parties who do not have sophisticated weapons. This is a common occurrence and may not be a secret anymore because the third party gets the most benefit from the cooperation agreement.

Of course, the two sides who suffered the most were at war because they lost their soldiers, destroyed the economic situation of both parties, and many people were affected by the war. This will also trigger domestic crimes that will not stop because their governments are busy fighting wars.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Tellek Garing on March 06, 2023, 07:27:20 AM
Almost no event can enrich the imperial economy more than wars. Imperialism means that a country wants to acquire more resources and new markets. Wars are a vital element for the continued development of those economies that are based on resources that belong to other peoples.

Throughout history, it has been observed that wars often benefit the imperial or ruling class. However, it is disheartening to note that many of these individuals lack empathy and disregard humanity. Furthermore, the means by which they attain power can be quite gruesome, as some resort to completely destroying their opponents and their families, while others make spiritual sacrifices of their loved ones. In such cases, these rulers are more likely to initiate wars to acquire lands, people, and wealth that rightfully belong to others. Sadly, these conflicts often result in the deaths of the less privileged and the destruction of their property, while the imperial class continues to reap the benefits. The current situation in Ukraine serves as a typical example of such interests, with the imperial class being the beneficiaries.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Ayers on March 06, 2023, 09:27:41 AM
No one benefits, wars are due to ego. Even if there is obvious harm involved to oneself, egotistic person would still go harm's way.

You can check wars happened in history or current one, there will be egotistic reason behind each.

It is true that when a war happens, the people of both countries go through a bad time and it will affect the world, no one wants that to happen. But politically, the winners will be the beneficiaries. Along with that war requires a huge amount of weapons, so arms dealers are the biggest beneficiaries. War is part of the world and it will never go away, when one war ends there will be another war. There are always people who want that to happen because they get great benefits from it.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: RockBell on March 06, 2023, 09:51:48 AM
war is something that is very disastrous and that truly no one should engage in, its impact is always severe on the environment and most importantly it endangers people's life and serious impact on the economy despite  that many countries still engage in it to show strength and to show superiority over one another not considering the risk behind it, and looking at Russia, Ukraine it affected the lives of their citizens and also the world supply and looking at the benefits it an open opportunity for other countries producing oil and countries producing arms of the sincere truth Russia and Ukraine seriously need to reconsider their actions.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Lida93 on March 06, 2023, 10:10:49 AM
I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
Arms dealers, through selling of those arms and other weapons. That's the reality about this war.



But the sad truth is, too many lives are taken away and these wars are unlikely to be stopped because of many political disagreement and as well as territorial disputes.
I think national pride is part of other major reasons as to why the both warring factions have refused to wave a white flag on this war. Non wants to be seen as weak against the other but while this pride grows their citizens diminishes in number and strength. And other instigators of this war based on what you @livingfree have highlighted in your first statement, those that supplies weapons of war and others war aiding supplies are just underground behind the cotton heating up the polity continuously. And it's really crazy that humans don't care anymore about fellow humans dieing as long as they're making their money out of it.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Ozero on March 06, 2023, 10:29:54 AM
Frankly, the US is the cause of this war, and they are the party that is receiving a lot of orders to buy weapons from allies in the world, so it can be said that the US is the most beneficial party. Besides, because of the war, the world fell into an economic crisis, also when they exported inflation to the countries that were their debtors.
The United States did not unleash this war and it is not the cause of it. It's all about the imperial ambitions of Putin, who wanted to go down in history as a collector of the lands of the former USSR, and possibly not only them, and the aggressive nature of the Russian mentality, which constantly needs aggressive wars to assert itself about the greatness of Russia. Also, one of the main reasons for Russia's attack on Ukraine is the desire to assign its history to Kievan Rus, starting from the 9th century, the fertile lands of Ukraine, a good industrial potential and hardworking Ukrainians. Without the history of Kievan Rus, the history of Russia looks very poor, even the territory of Moscow in the 13th century was the patrimony of one of the princes of this powerful state, and it turns out that Ukraine has the right to claim most of today's Russia, and not Russia to Ukraine. It even stole its name from Kievan Rus, because until the beginning of the 18th century it was called Muscovy or the Moscow kingdom.

Putin and his intelligence underestimated the professionalism of the Ukrainian army and the desire of its people for freedom and freedom. It was hoped that the resistance would be as flimsy as in 2014, when Russia first attacked Ukraine, seizing the Crimean peninsula, as well as part of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Therefore, on February 24, 2022, the Russian 200,000-strong invasion army was tasked to approach the outskirts of Kyiv on the same day by 15:00. The invaders have not fulfilled this task to this day. Now in Russia they say that Ukraine deceived them by pretending to be weak and defenseless. Strange justification for military aggression.

As for the benefits, the military weakening of Russia is certainly beneficial to the United States and other NATO countries. But even they underestimated the ability to defend Ukraine against Russia and gave Ukraine a maximum of seven days. That is why they did not give Ukraine heavy weapons on the eve of the attack, because they could have been seized by the Russian invaders. They gave only stingers and javelins for conducting guerrilla warfare under occupation. Help in more and more powerful weapons came from them only as the defeat of Russian troops in Ukraine and the brilliant conduct of military operations by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

NATO has been preparing for a long time for a possible military confrontation with the USSR, and then with Russia. Now it is performing its main tasks with the hands of Ukrainians and they are amazed at how they are beating the "second army of the world", which all NATO countries were afraid of together.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 06, 2023, 12:57:54 PM
War is something no society should do, as its consequences are devastating and unforgettable for generations. When two or more countries are at war, it is said that there are other countries that benefit in one way or another from the war as it drags on and escalates, especially economic gain being one of them.
   The incessant war between Russia and Ukraine, which has been going on for almost a year, and the consequences of the war between these two countries, not only concern the two warring countries, but have gone so far as to affect the economies of many countries of the world that they have no participation or intervention in said war. countries in Europe are experiencing gas shortages, while countries in Africa and other continents are suffering from an economic downturn due to the fact that some products and services are no longer available due to the consequences of the war.
In connection with this war between Russia and Ukraine, the effect of which is felt directly or indirectly in almost all parts of the world, I want to ask if there are beneficiaries of this war and how they benefit from it.


You are quite mistaken.
1. This war has been going on for more than 1 year. Russia attacked Ukraine back in 2014. Occupied part of the territory of Ukraine. This is the annexation of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, this is the capture and organization of a puppet separatist government in two sewers - the DPR and the LPR
2. This is not a war between Ukraine and Russia. It is Ukraine that defends its country, its people and its territory from an aggressor country. Which by the way acted as a guarantor of the inviolability of the territory of Ukraine, according to the Budapest Memorandum, when Ukraine abandoned its nuclear weapons. At the time of Ukraine's refusal of nuclear weapons, Ukraine had the third largest arsenal of nuclear weapons in the world, after the United States and Russia.
3. Everything that is happening now in the world is a manifestation of Russian aggression against Ukraine. And then also economic terror against the EU.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Husires on March 06, 2023, 01:02:12 PM
Sectors in Russia benefited from the war, and stopping the import of Russian gas made more European countries switch to nuclear energy, and Russia controls an estimated percentage of nuclear fuel, as Rosatom's sales increased by more than 20% from the beginning of the war.
Source: https://intellinews.com/rosatom-s-nuclear-exports-surge-in-2022-270128/

Both India and China benefited from the war by buying Russian oil and gas and other Russian products at a low price compared to the world price, which gives competitive quality.

Ukraine benefited from the war, as it received aid estimated at more than 3 times its budget for the year 2022.
The United States benefited from the war, especially oil and arms producers, who made huge billions due to high prices and increased demand.
Arms companies also benefited in some European countries.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 06, 2023, 01:08:53 PM
Sectors in Russia benefited from the war, and stopping the import of Russian gas made more European countries switch to nuclear energy, and Russia controls an estimated percentage of nuclear fuel, as Rosatom's sales increased by more than 20% from the beginning of the war.
Source: https://intellinews.com/rosatom-s-nuclear-exports-surge-in-2022-270128/

Both India and China benefited from the war by buying Russian oil and gas and other Russian products at a low price compared to the world price, which gives competitive quality.

Ukraine benefited from the war, as it received aid estimated at more than 3 times its budget for the year 2022.
The United States benefited from the war, especially oil and arms producers, who made huge billions due to high prices and increased demand.
Arms companies also benefited in some European countries.


1. Calculate the volume of Russia's losses from the loss of the EU oil and gas market, and compare this with the gain from the sale of nuclear fuel. Moreover, in the EU, stations do not use TVEL fuel cells from Russia. And the EU did not launch their nuclear power plants, but replaced gas suppliers
2. Speaking of "benefits" - do not forget about the tens of thousands of dead Ukrainians. Many died a terrible death having experienced before this inhuman torture from the invaders.
Do not forget about the millions of people who lost everything they had - seven, houses, cars, savings, FUTURE!
3. Speaking of benefits - don't forget about the destroyed cities of Ukraine. They were physically destroyed and razed to the ground by the invaders. About thousands of villages - which can no longer be restored. About thousands of hectares of land that needs to be cleared.

And I have listed only the tip of the iceberg of the evil that Russia brought to Ukraine


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Cryptomultiplier on March 06, 2023, 01:16:37 PM
Any war has its beneficiaries. What Russia stands to gain is what Ukraine doesn't want to loose, hence why the war keeps mounting.
Other known beneficiaries are those who manufactures these weapons and ammunition. Those who provide medical assistance and supply medical equipment and relief materials also benefit because they represent bodies with a godly front  but with hidden agenda.
No doubt Ukraine has suffered more including its surrounding nations, because it has had to defend its lands and structures. The battle effect would be felt generations to come. Russia on the other hand still has its major cities bubbling with little as much as no attack from the Ukrainian forces.
The countries who stand aside and observe like China and india also benefit because they have taken advantage of the trade pact and have its allies ready.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: kro55 on March 06, 2023, 01:20:48 PM
I support no one in the war between Russia and Ukraine and all the wars going on in the world, war is a crime. But to say who benefits in this war, it is clear that the arms dealers are the ones who benefit the most, the longer the war lasted, the more weapons they sold. Not to mention like the news I read, the Ukrainian battlefield is also a place for great powers to test new weapons as well as flaunt their strength to sell more weapons.

I hope there will be a miracle, a country can come out to end the war, the war not only hurts the people of the two countries but also affects the whole world.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Smartprofit on March 06, 2023, 01:33:17 PM
Producers of oil and natural gas benefited from the war. 

Oil and natural gas prices rose, resulting in windfall profits for oil and gas companies.  Organizers of maritime tanker shipments also received super-profits - Russia now carries its oil to India and China.  Sea transportation takes several weeks. 

The governments of these countries also benefited from the war, as they received additional taxes to the budget. 

Benefits were received by the countries to which qualified engineers, programmers, designers from Russia emigrated (these people left their country after the announcement of partial mobilization in it).


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: coupable on March 06, 2023, 02:28:15 PM
When we talk about the Ukraine and Russia war, only Russia has benefits from it as they can gain land, but for Ukraine, they are fighting for freedom. Also in war, the only thing that can benefit is the business of weaponry dealers like those who will make tanks, arm weapons, and anything else that was used in war because the demand is increasing, so they will make and make until the end of the war, meaning they are getting money from those countries on war. We normal people are affected by it, and we can't stop it on our own.
Most of the military countries monopolize the manufacture of weapons, and it is not possible for private companies to obtain licenses to manufacture any type of weapons.  These countries monopolize the industry, since its production is mainly for defense purposes, or it is sold on the global market.  In general, this country does not push towards wars, and the military industry is not one of the components of its economy. 
In other countries, private companies monopolize the arms industry, and since financial profit is their primary goal, they are pushing with all their efforts towards concluding more deals with potential customers.  These companies interfere in the political decision and do not care whether their customers are regular armies or armed groups.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: kryptqnick on March 06, 2023, 05:14:04 PM
Not every enterprise turns out to be profitable, and in many cases everyone loses, more or less, it's just that some gather political influence as a side effect of their actions, perhaps. That's how the US really became a prominent country after WW2, while France because way less powerful than it used to be. But it doesn't mean that the war was beneficial for Germany, the USA, the Soviet Union of anyone else. It was a huge tragedy, dozens of millions lives were lost, but the evil of Nazism had to be stopped no matter the cost. The USA gained political influence and probably money as well, but the war wasn't beneficial overall. In the Russo-Ukrainian war, everyone is losing and some might gain due to side effects if the war ends as it should, with Ukraine's victory. Ukraine would certainly gain a lot from defeating Russia, becoming a widely recognized political regional player rather than a country most can't even point to on the map and have no idea how big it is. But that doesn't mean Ukraine is benefiting from the war, as Ukraine is also suffering from it immensely and would of course prefer not to be invaded by Russia and remain of a lower political significance and with fewer weapons. The UK is gaining political influence which it lost over the last few decades by being a major ally of Ukraine and thus showing that it can still do things that matter internationally, despite not being that huge empire it used to be and not even being a part of the EU. Russia, I'm sure, wanted to gain a lot politically by conquering Ukraine because somebody is still not over the end of the Soviet Union and thinks that Kyiv should be their major city, while Ukraine is a 'fictional' state that should not exist. Analyzing potential gains isn't always helpful to determine what's going on and how it will go.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Flexystar on March 06, 2023, 05:37:05 PM
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


In every war there is someone who is getting benefited all the time. For example, US is supplying the war material to Ukraine and its their future investments. When war will be over and country is free, US will start asking for returns from the Ukraine. It could be either in the form of monetary refunds with interest or it could be geo settlements between the two and much more. Similarly there are countries who are standing by Russia, for example India who is already getting benefits of discounted oil and thus building the long term relationships already. Who knows if India and some other country like China goes into war then they could have biggest support from them.

That type of trend is going on when war breaks out and that's how countries will start forming alliances with each other. The real payback always comes after the dust is settled.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Smartprofit on March 06, 2023, 06:45:17 PM
When we talk about the Ukraine and Russia war, only Russia has benefits from it as they can gain land, but for Ukraine, they are fighting for freedom. Also in war, the only thing that can benefit is the business of weaponry dealers like those who will make tanks, arm weapons, and anything else that was used in war because the demand is increasing, so they will make and make until the end of the war, meaning they are getting money from those countries on war. We normal people are affected by it, and we can't stop it on our own.
Most of the military countries monopolize the manufacture of weapons, and it is not possible for private companies to obtain licenses to manufacture any type of weapons.  These countries monopolize the industry, since its production is mainly for defense purposes, or it is sold on the global market.  In general, this country does not push towards wars, and the military industry is not one of the components of its economy. 
In other countries, private companies monopolize the arms industry, and since financial profit is their primary goal, they are pushing with all their efforts towards concluding more deals with potential customers.  These companies interfere in the political decision and do not care whether their customers are regular armies or armed groups.

I read that the market for the sale of weapons is very small in terms of capitalization when compared with other global markets (for example, the market for oil, natural gas, grain, etc.)

Therefore, it is not arms sellers who receive the main benefits from the war (although of course they also earn very  big money).  Weapons rather play a role in the capture of new territories rich in minerals. 

If, for example, the United States were not such a militarily strong state, then the US dollar would hardly have become the world's reserve currency. 

However, the war itself is destructive and has catastrophic consequences.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: South Park on March 06, 2023, 06:59:47 PM
I support no one in the war between Russia and Ukraine and all the wars going on in the world, war is a crime. But to say who benefits in this war, it is clear that the arms dealers are the ones who benefit the most, the longer the war lasted, the more weapons they sold. Not to mention like the news I read, the Ukrainian battlefield is also a place for great powers to test new weapons as well as flaunt their strength to sell more weapons.

I hope there will be a miracle, a country can come out to end the war, the war not only hurts the people of the two countries but also affects the whole world.
Arms dealers are the most obvious beneficiaries from wars but they are not really the ones that earn the most, after a war at a country a great deal of effort is needed to get it back to its previous level of development, and for that money is needed, however that money comes with conditions which benefits whoever is lending that money, so bankers and investors will earn the most out of this after the war is over, and I hope the war is over as soon as possible so the people from Ukraine can start to rebuild their lives.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: panganib999 on March 06, 2023, 07:10:38 PM
Winning country. Dominance.
But obviously, none of them are winning. Wars are not really beneficial and will never be necessary. Bigger problems will just arise and will just make the possibility for things to be followed by other countries as well. Hundreds and thousands of lives are being killed during a war. Economic crises are also being a struggle during such thing. It will also take long amount of time to completely recover and before making use of the dominance won over the other countries. This is just how power is being percieved by some countries who are used on solving inter country problems with brute force.  We're done with colonialism, we should never go back again with the time wherein killing and mass destruction are considered to be a solution.
There's money to be made in these types of conflict. Just right now, Russia's barring of oil on opposing countries surged its price and had made it even more valuable in the public market, not to mention the fact that there's the weapons dealership too, as well as other points of profit that entities use and abuse in times of crisis. Ultimately, in the case of Russia's war against Ukraine, which was done for the sole purpose of invading and absorbing the latter's territory for its resources and access to other geo-political factors, the prize here comes in the form of Ukraine. Never mind the lives lost, or the lives devastated by this conflict (I'm being sarcastic), land's more valuable than people's lives anyway.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Bananington on March 06, 2023, 07:23:12 PM
I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
There are many beneficiaries to war. The people who sell weapons to the countries in crisis, the government of supporting nations that give financial aid to the countries in crisis as they can find a way to laundered money through it. The leaders of the countries that receive the funding that may just decide to keep engaging in the crisis because they are receiving massive financial aid and support, they can embezzle funds without many scrutiny. Pharmaceutical companies that sell drugs and companies that sell relief items are beneficiaries too.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Agbe on March 06, 2023, 07:33:17 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.

War is also use to create peace. There are somethings that political leaders do in the society can be solved only war. Like Nigeria, it is only war can solve the present scenario in the country because the court who's supposed be the last hope for common man is also part of the oppressing class. War is absent of peace. In war people and countries benefits from it. Small scale businesses also benefits from war. Manufacturers benefits from war. But those countries that produce gun or weapons are the ones benefits more and also food stuff. Those dealers that deal on food stuffs to the conflicting parties also benefits from it. Land acquisition from owners by the opposition party. In war different people persons benefits differently.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Synchronice on March 06, 2023, 07:38:07 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.

Average person never benefits from war, in fact, he becomes cannon-fodder. Elites, billionaires, these people profit a lot, even from war. While it looks like the country is suffering and people are having less money, these billionaires still benefit because everything you spend money on, belongs to them. They increase prices, you pay more, they pay less, you work harder.
Different companies profit from different situations. During Pandemic, doctors and pharma companies were profiting a lot, during this war, gas and some other companies are profiting the most but elites definitely are profiting always.
I believe what we see outside isn't the only thing that happens at the moment. It's known that a lot of money is laundered during the war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: cabron on March 06, 2023, 08:15:46 PM

North African countries are benefiting coz it seems like they get the cheapest Russian oil and then sell it to European countries 3x its price. That's a huge gain for them.

They need to make more money, after all, it's the best they can do while the EU keeps sanctioning Russia. While Russia also benefits from taking more land from Ukraine. I don't think the regions are going back to Ukraine and will be on the table once the minds cool down and are ready for peace negotiation.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Smartprofit on March 06, 2023, 08:24:02 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.

Average person never benefits from war, in fact, he becomes cannon-fodder. Elites, billionaires, these people profit a lot, even from war. While it looks like the country is suffering and people are having less money, these billionaires still benefit because everything you spend money on, belongs to them. They increase prices, you pay more, they pay less, you work harder.
Different companies profit from different situations. During Pandemic, doctors and pharma companies were profiting a lot, during this war, gas and some other companies are profiting the most but elites definitely are profiting always.
I believe what we see outside isn't the only thing that happens at the moment. It's known that a lot of money is laundered during the war.

It is possible, for example, at the expense of the state budget to restore the destroyed city on the frontline territory. 

And then an unexpected event will happen - the enemy will suddenly go on the offensive and destroy this city again. 

And no one will know that this city was not restored, and the funds allocated for restoration were simply stolen. 

During the war, interested persons can easily carry out such financial schemes and enrich themselves on this.  During the military confusion, no one can prevent them from doing this.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Hamza2424 on March 06, 2023, 08:36:20 PM
Simple to answer this we can have two approaches to understanding one is from the Country wise and one is from the industry wise so to maintain the ethical way we are going general using a named entity.

There are different types of entities in the world one who Lives by Selling Food products, Some sell Oil and some Sell Factory Products and Some Sell their Tourism services as these are major services that make them survive in the same world there are some entities who created a necessary thing on the name of peace called weapons so in War who is in benefit the entity simple as they Dominate to Servive (To Live better). For a common example let's consider Ukraine vs Russia's recent Incidents EU countries provided $25B in Funding (Which is more likely a Loan based offer to Ukraine to fight Russia) not financially. They provided this amount in the form of weapons that they will offer them $25B weapons on loan.

Further, as this example is based on the local Journalist report I am not sure about the authenticity but this is reality and this happens because people don't have money to eat and they desperately buy weapons on loan I consider my country as well in this.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: zaki12 on March 06, 2023, 08:53:45 PM
In my opinion, actually no country benefits from the Russia vs Ukraine war because:
- Russia's oil and gas sales are up but it's also costing a lot for the war not to mention the losses due to sanctions
- China experienced a decline in economic growth including all countries in the world.
- America is experiencing an economic crisis and inflation even though its military industry is alive and well.
- European Union economic crisis and energy scarcity
- Ukraine is devastated by huge debts to the European Union

if Russia wins the war, America and Europe will lose big, because it is impossible for Ukraine to repay its debts.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Huppercase on March 06, 2023, 11:55:31 PM
The two sides always lose but the ones who have more friends always win financially and quickly recover from damage. Look at Ukraine from example, despite the way Russian has been attacking them, they still have all the support they need from other countries while Russia is seen as the bad country, they continue to receive donation from different countries and heavy funding from US. Russia is loosing value from other countries because of puttin and Ukraine is gaining value from other countries but I think things might settle down when Puttin tenure comes to an end.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: KennyR on March 06, 2023, 11:59:22 PM
In war no country benefits despite the attack or winning from the opponent, in war they both lose their soldiers at a time and as well suffer the same hardship. Now how doe other country benefits, well as a matter of fact there's no benefits all less their competitors who are wanting to dominate the other country by innovations and many more. Don't you ever or dream of war because after the war it would take longer time to take back it's previous structures and coupled with the numerous soul that has been lost, Many of their citizens have relocated from their country to nearest country where they found comfortability and rest of mind.
The winner will be the country that sells the war equipments to the country involved in war. Almost every country have got a big allocation on their budget for security and systems development. This fund is being used continuously on production, and beyond some point there happens accumulation. How this can be used, only during war. Even there are discussion that war is being triggered by few nations for their weapon trade. I'm not sure on it.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: kro55 on March 07, 2023, 04:01:28 AM
I support no one in the war between Russia and Ukraine and all the wars going on in the world, war is a crime. But to say who benefits in this war, it is clear that the arms dealers are the ones who benefit the most, the longer the war lasted, the more weapons they sold. Not to mention like the news I read, the Ukrainian battlefield is also a place for great powers to test new weapons as well as flaunt their strength to sell more weapons.

I hope there will be a miracle, a country can come out to end the war, the war not only hurts the people of the two countries but also affects the whole world.
Arms dealers are the most obvious beneficiaries from wars but they are not really the ones that earn the most, after a war at a country a great deal of effort is needed to get it back to its previous level of development, and for that money is needed, however that money comes with conditions which benefits whoever is lending that money, so bankers and investors will earn the most out of this after the war is over, and I hope the war is over as soon as possible so the people from Ukraine can start to rebuild their lives.

You have a point there, I forgot after the war, Ukraine will need a lot of money to rebuild the country, and that will be an opportunity for the banks, which will even make more money than contractors selling weapons. Because it takes decades for a country to recover economically after a war.

We all expect the war to end soon, but that won't happen anytime soon, as it seems the major powers have yet to reach an agreement on the division of profits. The war has entered its second year, and I doubt it will end this year, it will be a multi-year war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Markinzo on March 07, 2023, 05:15:24 AM
In war no country benefits despite the attack or winning from the opponent,
Pardon! I do disagree with your statement here that in war non of the belligerent country benefits in anyway in the way. Let use the case of the WW2 between the USA and the Japanese, dis you know that part of the world power the USA wield today was due to the  resultant aggression of the atomic bombs dropped in the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. The effect of such act paid the USA an influence of a world power among other nations of the world. So doesn't that sounds like a benefit?



Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: bitterguy28 on March 07, 2023, 05:32:50 AM

North African countries are benefiting coz it seems like they get the cheapest Russian oil and then sell it to European countries 3x its price. That's a huge gain for them.
then this is truly a benefits lol.

but does this not making them prone from the sanctions of whom who supports russia?

but either way this is truly a good thing for them and their people(if not being abused by the corrupt government as we knew about north africa)
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They need to make more money, after all, it's the best they can do while the EU keeps sanctioning Russia. While Russia also benefits from taking more land from Ukraine. I don't think the regions are going back to Ukraine and will be on the table once the minds cool down and are ready for peace negotiation.
but still war is devastating and not to be tolerated right?


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Jawhead999 on March 07, 2023, 06:02:13 AM
Bitcoin holders also get the benefit of this war isn't? where the Bitcoin price was slightly drop and it's make people who have cash or stable coin can buy the dip.

Anything beside war will have both advantage and disadvantage, it just depends on your side. Just like this war, are you a Russian? a Ukrainian? or country who sell weapons? Both Russia and Ukraine get the disadvantages, while country who sell weapons are get a lot advantages.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Smartprofit on March 07, 2023, 07:32:09 AM
In war no country benefits despite the attack or winning from the opponent,
Pardon! I do disagree with your statement here that in war non of the belligerent country benefits in anyway in the way. Let use the case of the WW2 between the USA and the Japanese, dis you know that part of the world power the USA wield today was due to the  resultant aggression of the atomic bombs dropped in the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. The effect of such act paid the USA an influence of a world power among other nations of the world. So doesn't that sounds like a benefit?



World War II did not take place in the United States of America.  

The main fighting took place on the territory of modern Ukraine, Belarus and Russia, as well as other European countries.  

The United States, after the end of World War II, became a powerful country precisely because its territory was not affected by hostilities.  At the same time, the industry and agriculture of many potential US competitors were completely destroyed by the war.  

If you want your country to become powerful and prosperous after the end of the war, then it is necessary that military operations take place as far as possible from the territory of your country, so that neither shells, nor missiles, nor bombers reach its cities.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Coojhb on March 07, 2023, 08:26:22 AM
Apart from the casualties and deaths that are recorded during wars, I would've said from time to time it will be good for wars to break out. This is because wars afford us the period for realignment and repositioning. It's often said that those who refuse peaceful negotiations make wars inevitable. Most times it's cheating and highhandedness that lead to war. So, when these wars happen they help the parties involved to readjust their thought and behavioural patterns.

Who is the neutral authority that decides which country is at fault and must be punished? So far we have seen that country that is powerful decides what is right (or might is right). We have seen USA invading Iraq for finding WMDs and ends up saying there were no WMDs there. Is there any compensation for human lives lost in Iraq due to this invasion? Since USA is super power no one questioned him for that adventure. There are many stories like that.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: NotATether on March 07, 2023, 08:51:37 AM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations.

Not devastating to bankers however - quite the opposite.

You see, after a war, the countries involved get loans from banks to improve their economy (money which they can create from thin air as an entry in the database because they are allowed to). They have to pay regular interest fees to those banks, and that makes the owners of those banks stinking rich. So they actually profit from the outcome of a war, either direction it goes - as long as their own country is not invaded.

The United States, after the end of World War II, became a powerful country precisely because its territory was not affected by hostilities.  At the same time, the industry and agriculture of many potential US competitors were completely destroyed by the war. 

See the paragraph above. It's because they loaned money to the Allies and Axis countries.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: cabron on March 07, 2023, 09:21:39 AM

North African countries are benefiting coz it seems like they get the cheapest Russian oil and then sell it to European countries 3x its price. That's a huge gain for them.
then this is truly a benefits lol.

but does this not making them prone from the sanctions of whom who supports russia?

but either way this is truly a good thing for them and their people(if not being abused by the corrupt government as we knew about north africa)
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They need to make more money, after all, it's the best they can do while the EU keeps sanctioning Russia. While Russia also benefits from taking more land from Ukraine. I don't think the regions are going back to Ukraine and will be on the table once the minds cool down and are ready for peace negotiation.
but still war is devastating and not to be tolerated right?

US can really do something about this since Zelensky only listens to the West. They could end the war. If they really want to.

Everyone wants to enrich and if they benefit from this war in any manner, they will do it. India and China benefits from cheap oil as well. But thats just what they do. None of them gets sanctioned yet.  But its not just US who can sanction these days.





Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Jatiluhung on March 07, 2023, 10:48:09 AM
Have you ever read and someone said that War is the most profitable business?

surely some people are no stranger to the question.
I've even read a lot of news and articles related to this. that there are people who really benefit from war. And of course one of them is a military weapons manufacturer. the arms industry will certainly be the most preoccupied with this. because the more orders they receive.

even if you read about the income of the arms company then surely you will be very surprised.
like in the 2021 article I read that
" It turns out that the world has spent around 1.7 trillion dollars a year just for war. And for comparison: Turns out Global humanitarian funding is only 1.3% of that." (Sourch (https://www.greenpeace.org/indonesia/cerita/44972/ketika-perang-menjadi-bisnis-bagaimana-senjata-yang-diproduksi-di-eropa-membantu-menimbulkan-bahaya-di-seluruh-dunia/)).

And if you read about the annual value of arms sales in every arms company, you will be amazed at how much they earn. So for the question of who will benefit the most, please conclude.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 07, 2023, 11:22:37 AM
War is something no society should do, as its consequences are devastating and unforgettable for generations. When two or more countries are at war, it is said that there are other countries that benefit in one way or another from the war as it drags on and escalates, especially economic gain being one of them.
   The incessant war between Russia and Ukraine, which has been going on for almost a year, and the consequences of the war between these two countries, not only concern the two warring countries, but have gone so far as to affect the economies of many countries of the world that they have no participation or intervention in said war. countries in Europe are experiencing gas shortages, while countries in Africa and other continents are suffering from an economic downturn due to the fact that some products and services are no longer available due to the consequences of the war.
In connection with this war between Russia and Ukraine, the effect of which is felt directly or indirectly in almost all parts of the world, I want to ask if there are beneficiaries of this war and how they benefit from it.


You are quite mistaken.
1. This war has been going on for more than 1 year. Russia attacked Ukraine back in 2014. Occupied part of the territory of Ukraine. This is the annexation of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, this is the capture and organization of a puppet separatist government in two sewers - the DPR and the LPR
2. This is not a war between Ukraine and Russia. It is Ukraine that defends its country, its people and its territory from an aggressor country. Which by the way acted as a guarantor of the inviolability of the territory of Ukraine, according to the Budapest Memorandum, when Ukraine abandoned its nuclear weapons. At the time of Ukraine's refusal of nuclear weapons, Ukraine had the third largest arsenal of nuclear weapons in the world, after the United States and Russia.
3. Everything that is happening now in the world is a manifestation of Russian aggression against Ukraine. And then also economic terror against the EU.



Another news from "great russia", "whose economy is stable, and sanctions are useless" :)
Sanctions are not useless; on the contrary, they are very useful for Russia. Under conditions of free trade and an open market, Russia had no chance to develop its own economy, and it is precisely the closing of borders thanks to sanctions that gives Russia a chance to become economically self-sufficient and throw off the suffocating "Parshev's noose "from its neck. When two-thirds of your territory is permafrost, globalization and transparent borders become unprofitable. Russia becomes stronger in the presence of strong external threats and weakens when surrounded by friends. For Russia, the collapse of the USSR in the economic sense was not a tragedy, but a boon. Fool who does not understand this.

Are you really not worried about the wild dissonance in what you say and what the Kremlin squeals to the whole world? :)
It is strange to hear your mantras for self-hypnosis, despite the fact that:
- The Russian economy is "bursting at the seams"
- Huge holes in the budget
- Isolation of an already very weak economy from the world economy. Before the start of the war against Ukraine, Russia's share in the world economy was 1.8%, now it is no more than 1%. Russia has become a raw material appendage of China and India
- The defeat of the army, and the complete fiasco of the tale of "unparalleled Russian weapons." Loss of the arms market, where until recently Russia held a leading position
- The status of a pariah country, now for decades.
- Impoverishment and degradation of the Russian population
- Loss of the largest oil and gas market - the EU
... you can list the "benefits of sanctions" for a long time
Do you seriously want to say that these are all positive changes? :)

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Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Smartprofit on March 07, 2023, 11:35:41 AM
Have you ever read and someone said that War is the most profitable business?

surely some people are no stranger to the question.
I've even read a lot of news and articles related to this. that there are people who really benefit from war. And of course one of them is a military weapons manufacturer. the arms industry will certainly be the most preoccupied with this. because the more orders they receive.

even if you read about the income of the arms company then surely you will be very surprised.
like in the 2021 article I read that
" It turns out that the world has spent around 1.7 trillion dollars a year just for war. And for comparison: Turns out Global humanitarian funding is only 1.3% of that." (Sourch (https://www.greenpeace.org/indonesia/cerita/44972/ketika-perang-menjadi-bisnis-bagaimana-senjata-yang-diproduksi-di-eropa-membantu-menimbulkan-bahaya-di-seluruh-dunia/)).

And if you read about the annual value of arms sales in every arms company, you will be amazed at how much they earn. So for the question of who will benefit the most, please conclude.

Currently, drones are massively used in combat battles between Russian and Ukrainian troops.  These drones (they are also called "birds") are needed in very large numbers. 

They are lifted into the air and used for reconnaissance.  Without their use, it is impossible to prepare in advance for an attack or repulse an enemy attack. 

These drones are not industrial products.  They are assembled from Chinese components that are sold by Chinese merchants on Avito. 

At the same time, both Ukrainian and Russian soldiers buy them.  Chinese merchants don't care who buys their drones - they are only interested in money.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: harapan on March 07, 2023, 01:51:09 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


Its usually weapon manufacturers but in the case of the Russia-Ukraine war Oil companies are also big beneficiaries of the war. With the ban on Russia  most of Asia and Europe looked to Gulf countries for oil supply. We aw the surge in gas prices all over the world. The Oil companies and Oil producing countries stand to gain from that.
In the weeks following Russia's invasion of Ukraine we also saw the stock of top defense companies like Lockheed Martin increase by 20%. This shows how much these companies make from these wars.
Pharmaceutical companies also benefits to an extent in wars like this. there are also risk to it but its highly profitable to these companies.   


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: alastantiger on March 07, 2023, 02:29:10 PM
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
Honestly, war is not a thing to be proud of. It is not good for any Country to go to war with another country or with itself the consequences are just too grave. It is true that when two countries go into war, there are some people or countries that benefits from it. But is it worth it? The conflict between Russians and Ukraine, the war between them is actually affecting some countries in Europe and Asia, there is no exportation of gas from Russian therefore any nearby country that has access to transport gas to Europeans will sell at a higher price and it will automatically affect the economy of the Europeans. Who suffers poor people.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: YOSHIE on March 07, 2023, 02:39:55 PM
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
The impact of the war, as a whole anyone can see that the two countries in conflict suffered losses, both enemies and victims of war, in terms of the economy is a factor impacting large losses, the loss factor of various economic aspects.
* Buildings were destroyed, many people died, trade, investors stalled, all structures related to the economy were paralyzed.

The impact of the war in terms of profits also exists, but only a handful of people, for example: those involved in the arms trade and others, however, if the war is thoroughly studied as a whole the biggest impact is losses. only a few people benefit from the effects of war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: LittleBitFunny on March 07, 2023, 02:59:29 PM
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
Honestly, war is not a thing to be proud of. It is not good for any Country to go to war with another country or with itself the consequences are just too grave. It is true that when two countries go into war, there are some people or countries that benefits from it. But is it worth it? The conflict between Russians and Ukraine, the war between them is actually affecting some countries in Europe and Asia, there is no exportation of gas from Russian therefore any nearby country that has access to transport gas to Europeans will sell at a higher price and it will automatically affect the economy of the Europeans. Who suffers poor people.

For ordinary citizens like us, war is something no one wants to happen, nothing to be proud of, but for politicians looking for power, it is something they always want to do. Ukraine and Russia would have no interest in a war, but other countries would benefit greatly. Countries that sell weapons, countries that buy cheap oil and then resell it at a high price, Russia's opponents want this war to happen and last because only then can they contain Russia, even making this country obsolete...Too many people benefited when war broke out. That's why war has never disappeared from this earth.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Davidvictorson on March 07, 2023, 03:11:51 PM
Just like any other business, war is a big, profitable business. There are so many people and organizations that profit during a period of war, but I am going to just focus on people who deal in arms and smugglers too.

During war, militias, separatists, the military, and individuals will need to defend themselves from their enemies, whoever the person or group may be. Because you cannot bring a knife to a gun fight, knowing that the sole aim of your enemy is to eliminate you, you will do everything possible to get a gun. The government won't sell guns to you; what happens, you turn to those who deal in them illegally— the arms dealers. The folks do not care who wins or loses. They just want to sell their guns and make a profit. And trust me, because the demand for arms will be high with a low supply of it, the price will skyrocket, and they will make huge profits.

Likewise smugglers, they can move people and goods in country and out of the country for a huge fee. It may be by air, land or sea they have the contact and as long as you have good cash, they are good to go. These people can smuggle high profile people, politicians, wealthy people out of the country. Their business booms in war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: justdimin on March 07, 2023, 03:16:29 PM
Apart from the casualties and deaths that are recorded during wars, I would've said from time to time it will be good for wars to break out. This is because wars afford us the period for realignment and repositioning. It's often said that those who refuse peaceful negotiations make wars inevitable. Most times it's cheating and highhandedness that lead to war. So, when these wars happen they help the parties involved to readjust their thought and behavioural patterns.
Who is the neutral authority that decides which country is at fault and must be punished? So far we have seen that country that is powerful decides what is right (or might is right). We have seen USA invading Iraq for finding WMDs and ends up saying there were no WMDs there. Is there any compensation for human lives lost in Iraq due to this invasion? Since USA is super power no one questioned him for that adventure. There are many stories like that.
I would guess that factories being so much in work and no other nation had the same chances made USA leap forward with selling stuff to rest of the world for a long time. Mainly cars, but even other things like fridges and washers and simple other stuff as well, hell even agriculture stuff too.

Because none of their factories were bombed, whereas all the other "rich" nations were bombed and didn't had any factories left, and even the ones that were standing were changed into arms manufacturers anyway. So, it's true that 50's and 60's were an amazing period for USA and that did helped them a lot. I keep supporting the idea that WWII would have ended, maybe a bit later, even without USA.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: serveria.com on March 07, 2023, 03:23:26 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


The biggest loser will be the EU. No matter what happens next, these guys are screwed. They have already lost. EU has lost it's cheap resources/fossil fuels (but not only that, also fertilizers and other stuff important for farming and agriculture, some rare metals, potassium etc) which will lead to many companies going out of business, lots of money spent on supporting Ukraine, lots of money spent on hosting refugees etc.

The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.

US and China will be neither winners nor losers. China will go on trading with both Russia and the US, nothing will change for them. The US will sell a sh*tload of weapons and military equipment all around the world and will be just fine too. They will experience a blow to their reputation of a superpower and "world police" status (only a couple of years ago they had to withdraw from Afghanistan).


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Smartprofit on March 07, 2023, 04:33:32 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


The biggest loser will be the EU. No matter what happens next, these guys are screwed. They have already lost. EU has lost it's cheap resources/fossil fuels (but not only that, also fertilizers and other stuff important for farming and agriculture, some rare metals, potassium etc) which will lead to many companies going out of business, lots of money spent on supporting Ukraine, lots of money spent on hosting refugees etc.

The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.

US and China will be neither winners nor losers. China will go on trading with both Russia and the US, nothing will change for them. The US will sell a sh*tload of weapons and military equipment all around the world and will be just fine too. They will experience a blow to their reputation of a superpower and "world police" status (only a couple of years ago they had to withdraw from Afghanistan).

In my opinion, Russia cannot get an economic gain in this war.

Suppose that Russia manages to annex the entire territory of Ukraine to its territory (up to the border with Poland)

Russia's main problem is the demographic problem - Russia has very few people to control such a large area of ​​the country.  

However, as a result of hostilities, people are dying - young sexually mature men.  Some boys and girls decided to leave the country for other countries (Armenia, Mongolia, Georgia, Finland, Dubai, etc.). This is due to the announcement of partial mobilization in Russia.

At the same time, in the new annexed territories, most likely, there will be a war with Ukrainian partisans.  

That is, people will continue to die even after the formal end of the war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: coupable on March 07, 2023, 05:10:29 PM
When we talk about the Ukraine and Russia war, only Russia has benefits from it as they can gain land, but for Ukraine, they are fighting for freedom. Also in war, the only thing that can benefit is the business of weaponry dealers like those who will make tanks, arm weapons, and anything else that was used in war because the demand is increasing, so they will make and make until the end of the war, meaning they are getting money from those countries on war. We normal people are affected by it, and we can't stop it on our own.
Most of the military countries monopolize the manufacture of weapons, and it is not possible for private companies to obtain licenses to manufacture any type of weapons.  These countries monopolize the industry, since its production is mainly for defense purposes, or it is sold on the global market.  In general, this country does not push towards wars, and the military industry is not one of the components of its economy. 
In other countries, private companies monopolize the arms industry, and since financial profit is their primary goal, they are pushing with all their efforts towards concluding more deals with potential customers.  These companies interfere in the political decision and do not care whether their customers are regular armies or armed groups.

I read that the market for the sale of weapons is very small in terms of capitalization when compared with other global markets (for example, the market for oil, natural gas, grain, etc.)

Therefore, it is not arms sellers who receive the main benefits from the war (although of course they also earn very  big money).  Weapons rather play a role in the capture of new territories rich in minerals. 

If, for example, the United States were not such a militarily strong state, then the US dollar would hardly have become the world's reserve currency. 

However, the war itself is destructive and has catastrophic consequences.


Each party can benefit from wars according to its location and in its way. Military manufacturing companies benefit from providing conflict areas with weapons, and on this basis they do not mind supporting war decisions. And politicians benefit from these wars by invading new lands and benefiting from their goods. Most wars between countries are for colonial reasons.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: tiCeR on March 07, 2023, 05:19:32 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.



You described it well and phrased an interesting question. I must say that the question, if you really think about it in detail, is an incredibly complex one and you would have differentiate on so many levels and in so many areas to come up with an answer that at least offers some level of detail.

You could say that China benefits from cheap energy since Russia is forced to find alternative customers because of the ban of Western countries. While China now has cheap energy, they are also an export nation that depends on frictionless markets and smoothly working supply chains. Is it a good deal to have cheap energy in exchange for markets full of frictions and disturbed supply chains? If you just calculate that in monetary terms, I guess China is worse off as they benefit the most from a vibrant global economy with them at the core of a main export nation.

But if you look at it from a political angle, China benefits from Russia doing the dirty work now, meaning that they are keeping the West busy with defending Ukraine while they can stockpile military equipment produced with cheap energy in order to prepare for some future confrontation.

Now this is just a tiny excerpt of what is going on in the world. The fact alone that Russia and Ukraine combined are responsible for almost 25% of the global grain export shows how critical they are to the global food supply especially in areas like Africa.

I doubt that any country as a whole is better off economically because of the war. Industries are, of course, but entire countries, I don't know. My guess would be no. If anyone knows better than me, I'd be interested in knowing.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Smartprofit on March 07, 2023, 07:45:01 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.



You described it well and phrased an interesting question. I must say that the question, if you really think about it in detail, is an incredibly complex one and you would have differentiate on so many levels and in so many areas to come up with an answer that at least offers some level of detail.

You could say that China benefits from cheap energy since Russia is forced to find alternative customers because of the ban of Western countries. While China now has cheap energy, they are also an export nation that depends on frictionless markets and smoothly working supply chains. Is it a good deal to have cheap energy in exchange for markets full of frictions and disturbed supply chains? If you just calculate that in monetary terms, I guess China is worse off as they benefit the most from a vibrant global economy with them at the core of a main export nation.

But if you look at it from a political angle, China benefits from Russia doing the dirty work now, meaning that they are keeping the West busy with defending Ukraine while they can stockpile military equipment produced with cheap energy in order to prepare for some future confrontation.

Now this is just a tiny excerpt of what is going on in the world. The fact alone that Russia and Ukraine combined are responsible for almost 25% of the global grain export shows how critical they are to the global food supply especially in areas like Africa.

I doubt that any country as a whole is better off economically because of the war. Industries are, of course, but entire countries, I don't know. My guess would be no. If anyone knows better than me, I'd be interested in knowing.

Yes, I agree with you that in the conditions of the collapse of the globalization system, all countries suffer economic losses. 

The system of international division of labor makes it possible to produce goods cheaply and in large quantities.  World peace allows you to build the most optimal supply chains.  All this leads to the well-being and prosperity of all countries.  Wars lead to economic losses, and these losses are borne not only by the parties to the conflict, but by the whole world as a whole. 

However, even in this difficult situation, some countries that carry out a balanced and adequate foreign policy receive certain preferences. 

These countries I would include Turkey, India and China, as well as the Arab countries.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Ngewex Yuk on March 09, 2023, 06:26:54 AM
War is a big and serious disaster, a lot of infrastructure such as bridges, roads, public facilities, airports and others are damaged and even destroyed so that when the war ends many countries are in debt to build infrastructure, of course the countries that lose in the war will suffer greatly and it will take tens of years to recover, but there are those who benefit from war, namely countries that produce weapons, foodstuffs and others.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: tiCeR on March 09, 2023, 05:11:36 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.



You described it well and phrased an interesting question. I must say that the question, if you really think about it in detail, is an incredibly complex one and you would have differentiate on so many levels and in so many areas to come up with an answer that at least offers some level of detail.

You could say that China benefits from cheap energy since Russia is forced to find alternative customers because of the ban of Western countries. While China now has cheap energy, they are also an export nation that depends on frictionless markets and smoothly working supply chains. Is it a good deal to have cheap energy in exchange for markets full of frictions and disturbed supply chains? If you just calculate that in monetary terms, I guess China is worse off as they benefit the most from a vibrant global economy with them at the core of a main export nation.

But if you look at it from a political angle, China benefits from Russia doing the dirty work now, meaning that they are keeping the West busy with defending Ukraine while they can stockpile military equipment produced with cheap energy in order to prepare for some future confrontation.

Now this is just a tiny excerpt of what is going on in the world. The fact alone that Russia and Ukraine combined are responsible for almost 25% of the global grain export shows how critical they are to the global food supply especially in areas like Africa.

I doubt that any country as a whole is better off economically because of the war. Industries are, of course, but entire countries, I don't know. My guess would be no. If anyone knows better than me, I'd be interested in knowing.

Yes, I agree with you that in the conditions of the collapse of the globalization system, all countries suffer economic losses. 

The system of international division of labor makes it possible to produce goods cheaply and in large quantities.  World peace allows you to build the most optimal supply chains.  All this leads to the well-being and prosperity of all countries.  Wars lead to economic losses, and these losses are borne not only by the parties to the conflict, but by the whole world as a whole. 

However, even in this difficult situation, some countries that carry out a balanced and adequate foreign policy receive certain preferences. 

These countries I would include Turkey, India and China, as well as the Arab countries.

That is actually a very important point you raised here as well. Economies of scale due to international division of labor has an enormous impact on our output capacities, which is important as for a long time we had an ever growing population and along with it demand for all kinds of goods and services. How important optimal supply chains are and how the service sector is dependent them as well could very well be seen during the pandemic when China was the largest exporter of hygiene articles and equipment that was needed to provide inside and outside of hospitals. When supply chains stopped working optimally due to lockdowns, it took quite a while to fix the shortages and some countries were even forced to make up for stuck supply chains by ramping up their own production of certain products they usually obtained from abroad.

The war has now also shown how globally interconnected production and supply chains are. That is why Taiwan is a point of contention as well as it dominates the global chip industry and is key to countless production processes of vital technical products.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: el kaka22 on March 09, 2023, 07:14:03 PM
Obviously at least one politician. This isn't the only war in the world and in Russia vs Ukraine, it was Putin that "won", even if the war could be lost or won, which I do not know what the latest situation is but I am at least entirely certain that it wasn't as easy as Putin wanted it to be, and much harder than the 2014 version.

I still think that he won in the sense that he is keeping the full power to himself and we could all joke about "double shot to head suicide" as we all want, he is going to rule that nation until he dies thanks to moves like this and there is nothing the world could ever do. Hell, in a sense he won against Ukraine's president too, doubt that guy could get elected, even after all he did for his nation.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Ozero on March 09, 2023, 07:54:34 PM


The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.


Russia will no longer win this war, and this is already obvious. As soon as the weather is good for the offensive of heavy equipment and Ukraine receives the military assistance promised from the West, which is already arriving, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will counterattack and in May-June will inflict a residual defeat on Russian troops, and will also liberate almost all of their occupied territories.

Despite the mobilization of more than 300,000 of its citizens since September and the general offensive in eastern Ukraine, Russia has not been able to achieve any success at the front in recent months. Moreover, the largest armored offensive by the Russians near Ugledar turned into a major defeat, where over 130 armored vehicles were destroyed (including 36 tanks), and elite units of the Russian airborne troops were defeated. Moreover, these units never reached the front line and were completely defeated on the way.
Since May last year, Russia has been attacking the city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine to no avail. Almost the entire 50,000-strong Wagner PMC and the remnants of the 200,000-strong Russian invasion army in February last year ingloriously perished here. Russia is already running out of military equipment and now rarities from the Second World War are already getting to the front, and Russian troops are increasingly refusing to attack the fortified positions of the defenders of Ukraine. The Russian command has recently chosen the "meat rampart" tactic, when, without artillery preparation and armored vehicle support, it continuously attacks the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in small groups of 10-20 people. Probably in the hope that the barrels of their weapons will overheat in the Ukrainians or the cartridges will run out. Over the past 24 hours alone, more than a hundred attacks by the invaders have been repulsed, and their daily losses on the Ukrainian front often amount to more than a thousand people.

After such a defeat, Russia is unlikely to remain within its current borders. Five regions of Russia have already held an online referendum for secession from Russia and the formation of independent states. Further it will be even more interesting.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Smartprofit on March 09, 2023, 08:36:07 PM
Obviously at least one politician. This isn't the only war in the world and in Russia vs Ukraine, it was Putin that "won", even if the war could be lost or won, which I do not know what the latest situation is but I am at least entirely certain that it wasn't as easy as Putin wanted it to be, and much harder than the 2014 version.

I still think that he won in the sense that he is keeping the full power to himself and we could all joke about "double shot to head suicide" as we all want, he is going to rule that nation until he dies thanks to moves like this and there is nothing the world could ever do. Hell, in a sense he won against Ukraine's president too, doubt that guy could get elected, even after all he did for his nation.

Yes, there is an opinion that political power is always more important than the economy. 

Politicians reason like this - what is the point that the economy in my country will be in excellent condition if the president (king, general secretary, etc.) is not me, but some other guy? 

Therefore, politicians are primarily concerned with maintaining their personal power, recruiting loyal supporters, and creating complex political coalitions. 

The growth of the welfare of citizens is not a priority goal for politicians.  Especially for politicians in an authoritarian country.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: puloweh555 on March 09, 2023, 08:44:32 PM
I personally judged it from the war between the two countries, Russia. Even though it was battered by many European sanctions, Russia was still able to reduce the inflation rate for 7 months in a row. This means that Russia also benefits. Then America is the most profitable from the sale of weapons and energy sources to Europe. The biggest loser is Ukraine. Really have to cry, drenched in blood and crying blood.
Russia is bad because it has been fighting Ukraine, but the US and its Alliance are in fact much worse because in all aspects they are very selfish.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: panganib999 on March 09, 2023, 08:59:07 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.

As I have said before, in the case of Russia and Ukraine, the winner, objectively speaking is who gets the territory of Ukraine after the smoke has cleared out and if Russia still bars the rest of the planet from its oil. These two things are very vital in declaring who wins this tussle. Let's not be poetic here saying no one wins in a war because let's face it, someone does. Otherwise wars wouldn't have been waged in the first place. I think I'm going off a tangent here but my point is that there's economy in war, and there's money to be made in businesses like these. Plus add to this the fact that this is a war waged for territory and resources too, so when all of this is said and done and a winner is objectively determined, the one who gets to keep the other's stuff while retaining theirs will win.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 09, 2023, 09:44:12 PM
I personally judged it from the war between the two countries, Russia. Even though it was battered by many European sanctions, Russia was still able to reduce the inflation rate for 7 months in a row. This means that Russia also benefits. Then America is the most profitable from the sale of weapons and energy sources to Europe. The biggest loser is Ukraine. Really have to cry, drenched in blood and crying blood.
Russia is bad because it has been fighting Ukraine, but the US and its Alliance are in fact much worse because in all aspects they are very selfish.


I have a strong opinion that you do not quite understand what is happening, cause and effect. I can show you photographic facts that captured the wild, inhuman, indescribable crimes committed by the Russian terrorist army on the territory of Ukraine. This is not a war in the classical sense of the confrontation between two opposing camps. This is a psychiatric problem for the Kremlin under-furrer, who for a long time concealed this terrorist attack under various excuses, but then openly declared that our goal is TO DESTROY UKRAINE. No, not opposition to NATO, not opposition to the West, or anything else. just-destroy UKRAINE! Because she allowed herself - not to surrender to his desire!

The economic component - you are also mistaken. Sanctions against Russia have not been introduced since 2014, when Russia attacked Ukraine! I repeat once again - Russia attacked Ukraine, not in 2022, but in 2014. In 2022, feeling impunity, Russia unleashed a TOTAL terrorist war against Ukraine. And only AFTER that, sanctions appeared ... I recommend once again studying the facts and the chronology of this international crime by Russia ....



Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: yohananaomi on March 09, 2023, 10:44:09 PM
War is a big and serious disaster, a lot of infrastructure such as bridges, roads, public facilities, airports and others are damaged and even destroyed so that when the war ends many countries are in debt to build infrastructure, of course the countries that lose in the war will suffer greatly and it will take tens of years to recover, but there are those who benefit from war, namely countries that produce weapons, foodstuffs and others.
In fact, it is certain that whoever is in war will not benefit, it is certain that he will experience losses that will be prolonged and will disrupt the country's economy. winning or losing is the same as losing, because everything is sacrificed for the sake of the ego of the war, which will obviously have an impact on all existing activities.
completely agree that from the war the beneficiaries are those who make things worse by providing weapons and if they need more they have to pay and not yet with the need for food and clothing.
so war really doesn't have a good effect, so avoid war as long as the peace door can still be run.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: PX-Z on March 09, 2023, 11:26:24 PM
Basically the businesses behind the arms production benefits the most because of the demand. But technically in general, no one benefits since the war effect directly hit the country's economy which was felt by so many country in the world, especially in Europe, Asia and even in US.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Xampeuu on March 10, 2023, 04:49:18 AM
War is a big and serious disaster, a lot of infrastructure such as bridges, roads, public facilities, airports and others are damaged and even destroyed so that when the war ends many countries are in debt to build infrastructure, of course the countries that lose in the war will suffer greatly and it will take tens of years to recover, but there are those who benefit from war, namely countries that produce weapons, foodstuffs and others.
In fact, it is certain that whoever is in war will not benefit, it is certain that he will experience losses that will be prolonged and will disrupt the country's economy. winning or losing is the same as losing, because everything is sacrificed for the sake of the ego of the war, which will obviously have an impact on all existing activities.
completely agree that from the war the beneficiaries are those who make things worse by providing weapons and if they need more they have to pay and not yet with the need for food and clothing.
so war really doesn't have a good effect, so avoid war as long as the peace door can still be run.

for me, war is the same as economics, government officials have of course calculated the gains and losses from the war, they issued capital in the form of weapons and soldiers, of course the next government must have more profit than that, maybe it can be in the form of a supply of resources nature or something. but the war made civilians especially suffer, even to the loss of their brethren. especially for colonized countries, of course, more suffering will be felt


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 10, 2023, 09:19:25 AM
Obviously at least one politician. This isn't the only war in the world and in Russia vs Ukraine, it was Putin that "won", even if the war could be lost or won, which I do not know what the latest situation is but I am at least entirely certain that it wasn't as easy as Putin wanted it to be, and much harder than the 2014 version.

I still think that he won in the sense that he is keeping the full power to himself and we could all joke about "double shot to head suicide" as we all want, he is going to rule that nation until he dies thanks to moves like this and there is nothing the world could ever do. Hell, in a sense he won against Ukraine's president too, doubt that guy could get elected, even after all he did for his nation.


You almost answered the question about the reasons for the war that the terrorist country unleashed, and now it is losing. POWER. Total power and enslavement of peoples, for the monopoly of obtaining super-profits, the realization of kleptomaniac and other fantasies. That is why the war began in 2014, when the people of Ukraine overthrew the power of kleptomaniacs and criminals (Yanukovych and company), which set an example for neighboring countries - primarily Russia. It is Putin who is terribly afraid of the loss of power, because for him, a change of power means real death! Why ? Because for his work, he caused so much trouble and grief to people that at the first opportunity he will be destroyed by the "bloodlines". It’s not for nothing that “the greatest politician in the world, the most beloved president of Russia” has been hiding in a bunker in recent years, if he arrives at some event, the city simply dies out, and people move 2-3 km away from the place of his presence :) Such is “love and honor "in his country with a population of which 98% vote for him :)

And if you go back to the topic of the topic - I'll add. If the US military-industrial complex really earns income by receiving government orders and receiving money from the budget, then in Russia the military-industrial complex is just a huge industry for plundering budgets. That is why all of them "unparalleled weapons" that were so promoted by the Russian military-industrial complex and Putin himself turned out to be fake, a dummy, incompetent models and window dressing. Because most of the allocated budget funds were simply stolen at the very top level. So one of the reasons for Russia's loss in the war against Ukraine is their corruption and kleptomania :)


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: AicecreaME on March 10, 2023, 01:21:16 PM
If we're gonna talk about economy, no one get any benefits from war. The production of weapons like guns, bullets, missiles, tanks, jet fighters, helicopters, warships, are very expensive that most of the economic budget are being used. Also, the damage of war is the worst, everyone could be affected in the whole world if it's gonna be a nuclear war and more. Whoever wins, it doesn't matter at all, because everything will be destroyed.

War is all about abusing of political power and greediness.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: ivankoh on March 10, 2023, 02:12:34 PM
Perhaps there is no need to judge geopolitically, but when there is a war - typically the Russia-Ukraine war, the long-term macroeconomic interests, the position of the country, the polarization of the world will more or less  target of many other countries.  Specifically in terms of defense weapons, outstanding weapons will be produced and sold to many other countries, bringing great profits to these industries.  Weapon components have also increased in price… I'm not sure that the US and China will be the winners in many respects.  Countries directly in conflict like Russia and Ukraine are absolutely the ones who suffer more, more painfully.
The rest is affected by economic recession due to war, energy, food prices increase due to lack of supply/production.  Separation, isolation and the people living must soak in pain.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Smack That Ace on March 10, 2023, 02:39:00 PM
War is a big and serious disaster, a lot of infrastructure such as bridges, roads, public facilities, airports and others are damaged and even destroyed so that when the war ends many countries are in debt to build infrastructure, of course the countries that lose in the war will suffer greatly and it will take tens of years to recover, but there are those who benefit from war, namely countries that produce weapons, foodstuffs and others.
In fact, it is certain that whoever is in war will not benefit, it is certain that he will experience losses that will be prolonged and will disrupt the country's economy. winning or losing is the same as losing, because everything is sacrificed for the sake of the ego of the war, which will obviously have an impact on all existing activities.
completely agree that from the war the beneficiaries are those who make things worse by providing weapons and if they need more they have to pay and not yet with the need for food and clothing.
so war really doesn't have a good effect, so avoid war as long as the peace door can still be run.


War broke out because of the competition for benefits, so when two countries fight with each other, there will be one country to win, which is the country that benefits. If war does not bring benefits, then no country needs war because it will cause damage in all aspects of the country.

We don't need war, but politicians and arms dealers need war to bring them profits as well as power. Without war, politicians cannot consolidate their power.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: solehdavid on March 10, 2023, 03:05:11 PM
Wars, as always, can create opportunities for some people or countries. However, these opportunities are often limited in the long run and the devastating effects of war are often outweighed by the economic and human losses felt around the world.

The Russia-Ukraine war may have created opportunities for some companies and countries. For example, some defense industry companies may profit from selling arms and other defense equipment to the warring parties. Also, some countries may find opportunities in this regard, as they are forced to reduce their gas purchases from Russia and turn to alternative energy sources.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: TribalBob on March 10, 2023, 03:36:44 PM
Only certain countries have benefited from the war between Russia and Ukraine, including the USA, which supplied their war equipment. The rest of the countries have experienced economic losses and a crisis of natural resources due to a lack of supplies from importing countries.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Gyfts on March 10, 2023, 04:14:13 PM
Bitcoin holders also get the benefit of this war isn't? where the Bitcoin price was slightly drop and it's make people who have cash or stable coin can buy the dip.

Anything beside war will have both advantage and disadvantage, it just depends on your side. Just like this war, are you a Russian? a Ukrainian? or country who sell weapons? Both Russia and Ukraine get the disadvantages, while country who sell weapons are get a lot advantages.

Bitcoin has been in the slump for the past year despite the instability the war causes.

The fact is that Bitcoin is tied to the global economy such that a "dip" in the economic productivity means a dip in crypto prices across the board. Nobody actually wins in war, and that includes crypto users. Even the military industrial complex isn't actually winning long term. Short term weapons contracts might ensure some level of immediate profitability. That doesn't mean the global economic instability wouldn't affect them either.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: SquallLeonhart on March 10, 2023, 06:08:14 PM
Wars, as always, can create opportunities for some people or countries. However, these opportunities are often limited in the long run and the devastating effects of war are often outweighed by the economic and human losses felt around the world.

The Russia-Ukraine war may have created opportunities for some companies and countries. For example, some defense industry companies may profit from selling arms and other defense equipment to the warring parties. Also, some countries may find opportunities in this regard, as they are forced to reduce their gas purchases from Russia and turn to alternative energy sources.
I am not well versed in Ukraine and Russia war and I can't talk about that. But I remember clearly about USA vs Iraq war, one that was basically as terrible as it gets, hundreds of thousands of people dead, and a whole nation still not recovered because of the war.

Because America wanted to get rid of a dictator, if that was the only reason, they would have gone there, get the dictator, and leave. However, they stayed and derailed the whole nation and now people are starving and basically living in confusion there. Meanwhile, warhawks of USA made tens of billions of dollars from it, they just sold the trillion dollar war to congress and made a killing off it as well.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Bushdark on March 10, 2023, 06:40:37 PM
I personally judged it from the war between the two countries, Russia. Even though it was battered by many European sanctions, Russia was still able to reduce the inflation rate for 7 months in a row. This means that Russia also benefits. Then America is the most profitable from the sale of weapons and energy sources to Europe. The biggest loser is Ukraine. Really have to cry, drenched in blood and crying blood.
Russia is bad because it has been fighting Ukraine, but the US and its Alliance are in fact much worse because in all aspects they are very selfish.
Whether Russia was able to reduce the inflation rate or sanctions, that's not the point here.what I am after right now is for the war to stop as soon as possible so that the people of ukta9can go back to there country and build it again. This war had caused a lots of suffering for the people of Ukraine and the entire world. I am still witching and praying that this war is going to end one.

 The NATO are not even planning to end the war so that things are going to come back to normal. We need pea e in the world and how we are going to end it is by negotiating on how to stop the war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Finestream on March 10, 2023, 08:21:15 PM
Those who produce and sell weapons always benefit the most from war, because during wars the demand for weapons increases. The data show that in just one year, Ukraine consumed as much specific artillery ammunition as the US otherwise produces in even 5 years - and now, of course, production must be significantly increased in order to satisfy the demand to some extent.

Another industry that profits are those that produce medical supplies, especially those used on the battlefield such as bandages, infusions, painkillers and the like. In addition, the war creates thousands of disabled people who need prostheses and various other medical aids.

For most people, war means death, serious injuries, loss of apartments, houses, cars and more or less serious psychological consequences in the form of post-traumatic stress. However, for some it is really a time of great profit - and in my area there is a saying that says "war is a war for someone, and a brother for someone else".
You are right on this mate. The only people who benefit when there is war is the one who provide the weapons and those who provide medical kits to cure the injured people. Other than that, the rest of the people do not benefit at all but end up being threatened and abused. And maybe, the party who initiate the war first might be somehow celebrating its victory, even though numbers of their citizens are also being injured.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on March 10, 2023, 10:18:07 PM
Is there any benefit in war than destabilizing the economy and lots worth of life and properties rendering them into waste, we could go back to the history in seing how the past experience with war look like for those that never had any before, it's something not worth taking about because this is life we are talking about going on waste, blood shed and many infiltration of pains and hunger on fellow human beings, this is were we see a practical example of having ban on economical activities on certain location in form of embargo, if we are to ask those that witnessed it before, all they tell is there's no benefit in making war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: SirLancelot on March 11, 2023, 08:58:22 AM
In fact, it is certain that whoever is in war will not benefit, it is certain that he will experience losses that will be prolonged and will disrupt the country's economy. winning or losing is the same as losing, because everything is sacrificed for the sake of the ego of the war, which will obviously have an impact on all existing activities.
completely agree that from the war the beneficiaries are those who make things worse by providing weapons and if they need more they have to pay and not yet with the need for food and clothing.
so war really doesn't have a good effect, so avoid war as long as the peace door can still be run.
for me, war is the same as economics, government officials have of course calculated the gains and losses from the war, they issued capital in the form of weapons and soldiers, of course the next government must have more profit than that, maybe it can be in the form of a supply of resources nature or something. but the war made civilians especially suffer, even to the loss of their brethren. especially for colonized countries, of course, more suffering will be felt
You mean to say part of the economic issue? Governments can sometimes prepare a weapon in case there is an unexpected war that will spark. Some like Russia are doing it for the gain and maybe you are right that they already have done some calculations. Capital or money is issued on different things but if they can sell weapons and supply soldiers, they still can get money out of it.

Wars are devastating to the country's economy and mostly innocent people are affected with it. That is why many of us are against it and we hate those selfish governments who can only think about their selves. They can be punished thru sanctions but we people are still affected with it.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: swogerino on March 11, 2023, 09:12:00 AM
Frankly, the US is the cause of this war, and they are the party that is receiving a lot of orders to buy weapons from allies in the world, so it can be said that the US is the most beneficial party. Besides, because of the war, the world fell into an economic crisis, also when they exported inflation to the countries that were their debtors.

I think that you maybe partly right.However we are in the brink of another economic collapse,similar to that of Lehman Brothers in 2008 as the main banks are all over the news now and their failures with Silicon Valley Bank being one heavily seen in the news in the Internet right now but not only that,even Barclays.So war can never bring anything positive no matter who is winning and who is losing,even if US is getting more orders to sell weapons how do you explain that most likely we are going to see a recession soon starting from the very US country which of course I don't wish but things are looking exactly that way,so there are no real winners in a war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Mauser on March 11, 2023, 09:47:27 AM
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


For the families directly affected by war it's terrible, but there are a lot of companies who profit directly from it. The first beneficiary that come to mind are all the arms companies that produce equipment needed in Ukraine. There is a lot of demand for ammunition, tanks, planes and missles. Then you have the indirect effect of all major countries in the world increasing their military budget and modernising their army. Any company involved in the military supply chain should be doing well. The second big sector profiting from the war is the energy market. All the major corporations increased their prices and profit from the sanctions against Russia. Last year there were large profits for the energy companies.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: ringgo96 on March 11, 2023, 10:28:49 AM
for me there is nothing profitable because both of them suffered losses both financially and human lives and will always be remembered badly in the future,although there are winners I don't think they are also profited because it is considered a usurpation that they did by making a resistance,but for other countries that sell arms to the two countries that are at war it is indeed very profitable, but for those who are at war like today russia and ukraine they are equally detrimental.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: CODE200 on March 11, 2023, 11:58:15 AM
for me there is nothing profitable because both of them suffered losses both financially and human lives and will always be remembered badly in the future,although there are winners I don't think they are also profited because it is considered a usurpation that they did by making a resistance,but for other countries that sell arms to the two countries that are at war it is indeed very profitable, but for those who are at war like today russia and ukraine they are equally detrimental.
Based on my history classes and on my understanding, I see that people who benefits on war are obviously the one who wins. Especially when it comes on owning one territory. Just like what happen in my country hundred years ago. Many country owned are land up to the point that our national heroes fought back and do everything for our freedom. I'm glad that they won the battle against invader. In the end its beneficial to all of us since we are now not under any foreign country at all. One point also I see why they start war is because they want lands with lots of minerals that I see as a benefits for who ever have it in the end of the battle. Which can help for their economy to grow in the future.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Smartprofit on March 11, 2023, 12:14:33 PM
Frankly, the US is the cause of this war, and they are the party that is receiving a lot of orders to buy weapons from allies in the world, so it can be said that the US is the most beneficial party. Besides, because of the war, the world fell into an economic crisis, also when they exported inflation to the countries that were their debtors.

I think that you maybe partly right.However we are in the brink of another economic collapse,similar to that of Lehman Brothers in 2008 as the main banks are all over the news now and their failures with Silicon Valley Bank being one heavily seen in the news in the Internet right now but not only that,even Barclays.So war can never bring anything positive no matter who is winning and who is losing,even if US is getting more orders to sell weapons how do you explain that most likely we are going to see a recession soon starting from the very US country which of course I don't wish but things are looking exactly that way,so there are no real winners in a war.

In my opinion, the negative situation in the US economy is not a consequence of the war in Ukraine.  

In 2008, the world experienced an economic crisis.  

However, its causes have not been reliably established and not eliminated.  Instead, a policy of quantitative easing was announced, that is, there was a massive emission of US dollars and their distribution to all interested parties.  

In fact, it was the state's rescue of inefficient owners (large banks and corporations) from bankruptcy.  However, even after the stabilization of the economic situation, inefficient owners remained inefficient owners.  

The situation was exacerbated by the coronavirus covid-19 - - the answer to it was an even more massive emission of funds.  There is a lot of money in the world and very few efficient producers.  

This is the reason for the current economic crisis of 2023....


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: yohananaomi on March 12, 2023, 01:58:09 AM
War is a big and serious disaster, a lot of infrastructure such as bridges, roads, public facilities, airports and others are damaged and even destroyed so that when the war ends many countries are in debt to build infrastructure, of course the countries that lose in the war will suffer greatly and it will take tens of years to recover, but there are those who benefit from war, namely countries that produce weapons, foodstuffs and others.
In fact, it is certain that whoever is in war will not benefit, it is certain that he will experience losses that will be prolonged and will disrupt the country's economy. winning or losing is the same as losing, because everything is sacrificed for the sake of the ego of the war, which will obviously have an impact on all existing activities.
completely agree that from the war the beneficiaries are those who make things worse by providing weapons and if they need more they have to pay and not yet with the need for food and clothing.
so war really doesn't have a good effect, so avoid war as long as the peace door can still be run.


War broke out because of the competition for benefits, so when two countries fight with each other, there will be one country to win, which is the country that benefits. If war does not bring benefits, then no country needs war because it will cause damage in all aspects of the country.

We don't need war, but politicians and arms dealers need war to bring them profits as well as power. Without war, politicians cannot consolidate their power.
true friends, sad because many want to be controlled and used as puppets to do everything they want, including war. but those who fought did not realize that they were being made puppets because their egos were put forward without thinking about the impact that would occur after the post-war itself.

Those who supply accommodation for the war certainly hope that it will continue to happen because they do have other intentions, where they hope that what will be needed will be provided, even though initially as aid but later it will be used as a necessity and must be purchased.

all play and make the war a field for profit, politicians seek sensation and producers of war equipment make profits from the tools purchased.
This is an unbreakable chain which is indeed interrelated and mutually beneficial, not for the warring countries themselves.
More about true


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: RealMalatesta on March 12, 2023, 06:03:58 AM
for me there is nothing profitable because both of them suffered losses both financially and human lives and will always be remembered badly in the future,although there are winners I don't think they are also profited because it is considered a usurpation that they did by making a resistance,but for other countries that sell arms to the two countries that are at war it is indeed very profitable, but for those who are at war like today russia and ukraine they are equally detrimental.
I think Putin may have? I am not entirely sure and I do not know Russian politics but it is obvious that he did it to consolidate power and he wanted to control the nation in a way like "we are in a war right now and you are talking about politics, shame on you! how can you speak these things when we are in a war!" type of way.

I know this because I have seen it happen a million times in history, people who were barely in power created chaos so that they could act as if they are controlling the chaos and ignore the fact that they were the ones who created the chaos, and they will find someone supporting them as well. You will see that Putin won't give up power unless he dies or he is killed, there is no way to democratically get rid of him, impossible.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: SUPERSAIAN on March 12, 2023, 03:55:59 PM
In times of war, people with enough resources always made money. Usually, both countries suffer, and few merchants living in the countries make money. In every war, the same people, the same companies, make money. In a complete cycle, humanity actually loses in this process. If these wars were not chaos, perhaps there would be a much faster rise. Ukraine war, a whole country has to leave its homeland. We wish the wars to end


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: serveria.com on March 12, 2023, 07:20:53 PM


The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.


Russia will no longer win this war, and this is already obvious. As soon as the weather is good for the offensive of heavy equipment and Ukraine receives the military assistance promised from the West, which is already arriving, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will counterattack and in May-June will inflict a residual defeat on Russian troops, and will also liberate almost all of their occupied territories.

Despite the mobilization of more than 300,000 of its citizens since September and the general offensive in eastern Ukraine, Russia has not been able to achieve any success at the front in recent months. Moreover, the largest armored offensive by the Russians near Ugledar turned into a major defeat, where over 130 armored vehicles were destroyed (including 36 tanks), and elite units of the Russian airborne troops were defeated. Moreover, these units never reached the front line and were completely defeated on the way.
Since May last year, Russia has been attacking the city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine to no avail. Almost the entire 50,000-strong Wagner PMC and the remnants of the 200,000-strong Russian invasion army in February last year ingloriously perished here. Russia is already running out of military equipment and now rarities from the Second World War are already getting to the front, and Russian troops are increasingly refusing to attack the fortified positions of the defenders of Ukraine. The Russian command has recently chosen the "meat rampart" tactic, when, without artillery preparation and armored vehicle support, it continuously attacks the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in small groups of 10-20 people. Probably in the hope that the barrels of their weapons will overheat in the Ukrainians or the cartridges will run out. Over the past 24 hours alone, more than a hundred attacks by the invaders have been repulsed, and their daily losses on the Ukrainian front often amount to more than a thousand people.


Just to remind you Ukraine has been receiving military equipment from it's allies worth billions of dollars since day one. Why do you think that receiving 30 or 40 German tanks will improve the situation considerably?

As to Bakhmut, from what I've read, is already under siege, it's only a matter of time that it's going to fall. By the way, the attack on Bakhmut started in November not in May as you mentioned. In May some shelling by the Russians took place though. At least that's what Wikipedia has on record. And you didn't mention the Ukrainian losses and they should be pretty severe too.

Quote from: Ozero
After such a defeat, Russia is unlikely to remain within its current borders. Five regions of Russia have already held an online referendum for secession from Russia and the formation of independent states. Further it will be even more interesting.

Sounds interesting... Could you please provide a link to your source?


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 12, 2023, 08:51:13 PM
Frankly, the US is the cause of this war, and they are the party that is receiving a lot of orders to buy weapons from allies in the world, so it can be said that the US is the most beneficial party. Besides, because of the war, the world fell into an economic crisis, also when they exported inflation to the countries that were their debtors.

1. Do you just hate the USA because the standard of living in the USA is not available to you? :)
2. And now seriously:
- tell us about the background and situation in Ukraine in 2010-2013
- what is the influence of the United States on what is happening in Ukraine during the specified period
- What are the reasons, confirmed by facts, of the growing discontent of the citizens of Ukraine, to which I belong, and was a direct participant in the Maidan?
- tell the real story of the events of November 2013-February 2014, and what is the US participation in these events?

And then we will laugh together, and you will be ashamed for the fact that you wrote nonsense in the likeness of this inference of yours ...
PS I'm sure you won't answer :) Well, or it will be a set of clichés from anti-American "manuals" prepared by outcast countries ...


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Mr.right85 on March 12, 2023, 09:56:56 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
War is one way to reduce a whole civilisation back to its stone age. It usually that damaging as in a matter of days or weeks, years of work would be reduced to rumbles.

In a war, no one really gets to benefit if we look at it grossly. Everyone loses eventually.  Nations gets to lose there economic power and the wealth of there armory is diminished hence, there would be a need to visit the treasury.

Then, there are those that becomes opportunist and that is those that control the food. Eventually, the way of life of a people and means of livelihood is rendered useless and man must eat no matter what. Having food and being able to secure as well as get it out to the needing masses would make you an important figure.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 13, 2023, 10:46:41 AM
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


For the families directly affected by war it's terrible, but there are a lot of companies who profit directly from it. The first beneficiary that come to mind are all the arms companies that produce equipment needed in Ukraine. There is a lot of demand for ammunition, tanks, planes and missles. Then you have the indirect effect of all major countries in the world increasing their military budget and modernising their army. Any company involved in the military supply chain should be doing well. The second big sector profiting from the war is the energy market. All the major corporations increased their prices and profit from the sanctions against Russia. Last year there were large profits for the energy companies.

It would be possible to talk about the beneficiaries if they were the initiator of the massacre in Ukraine, which Russia has staged since 2014. Well, or does it turn out that Putin is a submissive executor of the will of the arms companies? :)
Now you are confusing cause and effect ... I don’t deny it - against the backdrop of the terrorist war unleashed by Russia in Ukraine, defense companies in the West were forced to earn money, which positively affected their economy, which suffered from covid and other world problems. But this is a consequence, not a cause. Moreover, income is an accompanying process of helping Ukraine in the destruction of world terrorism in the face of Russia and its terrorist army, and I don’t see anything wrong with that!


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Woodie on March 13, 2023, 11:15:36 AM
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly,
Affecting all of us is truly the sad part about this which is  also a selfish move by the engager and it's allies for fueling this war which is something I would never have thought would happen in the 21st century and beyond...

I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
As much as war is bad,this could have seen some benefiting in terms of fetching higher prices for some of the materials needed in this war like bullets ( technically making copper prices go up) , oil prices per barrel has equally gone up making any suppliers more richer and all this seems calculated to make this all artificial manipulation.

I guess other benefits the war has brought is opening up new markets for trade in commodities that cannot be supplied by either Russia or Ukraine as they are preoccupied with the war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: xSkylarx on March 13, 2023, 11:43:44 AM
In times of war, people with enough resources always made money. Usually, both countries suffer, and few merchants living in the countries make money. In every war, the same people, the same companies, make money. In a complete cycle, humanity actually loses in this process. If these wars were not chaos, perhaps there would be a much faster rise. Ukraine war, a whole country has to leave its homeland. We wish the wars to end

Only the business of war machines can be profitable as well as the fuels that are why those who made tanks, weapons and bombs are having a lot of things to do because countries are ordering a lot of them. While people in the warzone are hiding and starving because of the chaos. The only valid thing that I want to see is that only those presidents would be at war and not those people that lived in their places since the most affected are the people.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Wildwest on March 13, 2023, 12:44:31 PM
when there is a war in a country, then countries that produce military weapons then the country will definitely be profitable in arms sales and countries that are experiencing war I think are very much at a loss because there are many costs that must be incurred to buy weapons in order to survive when dealing with their enemies, even though there will be a winning side but I think the benefits they get exceed the costs they have incurred, But if they have faced war then no matter what they sacrifice in order to get a victory.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: GreenStox on March 13, 2023, 01:41:29 PM
war will make a victorious country superior, but more negative impacts caused by hunger food supply less chaos everywhere, and of course the loss of life that cannot be avoided.
Coupled with current global economic issues that make almost all citizens in the world experience difficulties.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: sana54210 on March 13, 2023, 05:11:59 PM
Only the business of war machines can be profitable as well as the fuels that are why those who made tanks, weapons and bombs are having a lot of things to do because countries are ordering a lot of them. While people in the warzone are hiding and starving because of the chaos. The only valid thing that I want to see is that only those presidents would be at war and not those people that lived in their places since the most affected are the people.
The oil thing is so far out funny at this moment that, I can't believe that the world can still turn a blind eye to it. You know who controls all the oil in all of Iraq right now? American companies.

Yes that's right, they went there, they said there were weapons of mass destruction, realized there were none, tens of thousands of people died, even hundreds of thousands if you count all the Iraqis that died, and in return, what did they do? Left a chaotic nation who is doing much worse than before America got there, and in return of all the terrible things and mistakes they did, they took all the oil they had as a payment. How could this be ok with anyone in the world is beyond me.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 13, 2023, 05:29:42 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
War is one way to reduce a whole civilisation back to its stone age. It usually that damaging as in a matter of days or weeks, years of work would be reduced to rumbles.

In a war, no one really gets to benefit if we look at it grossly. Everyone loses eventually.  Nations gets to lose there economic power and the wealth of there armory is diminished hence, there would be a need to visit the treasury.

Then, there are those that becomes opportunist and that is those that control the food. Eventually, the way of life of a people and means of livelihood is rendered useless and man must eat no matter what. Having food and being able to secure as well as get it out to the needing masses would make you an important figure.

You should explore modern russia, but outside of moscow and st. petersburg. You will see that this is almost the stone age of the 21st century. When they started talking about sanctions and how this would affect SIMPLE Russians, I said back in 2022 that the sanctions would not affect ordinary people, or the majority of the inhabitants of Russia! For the simple reason that their standard of living already looks wild and backward, and it is almost impossible to lower it even lower! :)
But the Kremlin's parody of the Fuhrer needs to somehow divert the attention of its slaves, with "great victories" and the "revival of the USSR" - otherwise the masses will begin to rage and demand explanations of where most of the money goes from "all the resources of the countryman concentrated in Russia, the richest country in the world": )


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Stedsm on March 13, 2023, 05:49:35 PM
Great thread by you OP.
Nobody sees anything good in war because peace is the only option to live and let live in this world. The thing Ukraine isn't understanding is, NATO is not defending or helping them (because Ukraine has not yet signed them yet) but NATO is fuelling this war just because they see good in this.

You will ask: How?
When NATO countries (I won't take names here) are sending money and all types of missiles and equipment to give Russia a strong tackle, they're doing this all because of one reason, to weaken Russia in terms of nuclear weapons that they are using to safeguard themselves and give a tough fight to NATO. Just think that why NATO countries are not directly getting involved into this? You've the reason now.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 14, 2023, 02:40:42 PM
Great thread by you OP.
Nobody sees anything good in war because peace is the only option to live and let live in this world. The thing Ukraine isn't understanding is, NATO is not defending or helping them (because Ukraine has not yet signed them yet) but NATO is fuelling this war just because they see good in this.

You will ask: How?
When NATO countries (I won't take names here) are sending money and all types of missiles and equipment to give Russia a strong tackle, they're doing this all because of one reason, to weaken Russia in terms of nuclear weapons that they are using to safeguard themselves and give a tough fight to NATO. Just think that why NATO countries are not directly getting involved into this? You've the reason now.

Do not be offended, but you, too, confuse cause and effect, and do not study these events with the necessary attention. aid to Ukraine did not start after the idiotic pretext for the attack on Ukraine in 2014. And only in the summer of 2022, after the start of the second massive military-terrorist operation against Ukraine by Russia. And only after 4 months of fierce fighting. And do you know why? Most likely not, or pretending not to have heard - Russia has openly stated that after Ukraine, its goal is Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and other countries that were previously part of the Warsaw Pact. At the same time, the world saw that even Hitler's Nazis did not do such monstrous crimes and destruction as Russia does on the territory of Ukraine! And then the West, realizing that after the capture of Ukraine, the terrorist country will invade the EU already, they stopped cowardly sitting out pretending that nothing was happening, and began to help the Ukrainians DEFEND. And only recently, more powerful weapons began to arrive, before that there was only weapons for deterrence. So do not manipulate information and replace cause and effect!


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Stedsm on March 14, 2023, 02:47:07 PM
--snip--

Do not be offended, but you, too, confuse cause and effect, and do not study these events with the necessary attention. aid to Ukraine did not start after the idiotic pretext for the attack on Ukraine in 2014. And only in the summer of 2022, after the start of the second massive military-terrorist operation against Ukraine by Russia. And only after 4 months of fierce fighting. And do you know why? Most likely not, or pretending not to have heard - Russia has openly stated that after Ukraine, its goal is Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and other countries that were previously part of the Warsaw Pact. At the same time, the world saw that even Hitler's Nazis did not do such monstrous crimes and destruction as Russia does on the territory of Ukraine! And then the West, realizing that after the capture of Ukraine, the terrorist country will invade the EU already, they stopped cowardly sitting out pretending that nothing was happening, and began to help the Ukrainians DEFEND. And only recently, more powerful weapons began to arrive, before that there was only weapons for deterrence. So do not manipulate information and replace cause and effect!

Ok let's put it your way then.
Russia wants to invade Ukraine? I don't think so. They are just trying to stop them from becoming a part of NATO. Putin even said that they'll peacefully end this if that comedian Zelenskyy would stop this destructive fight instead of sending all the people of Ukraine on warground. Isn't it stupid?
Neither am I offended, nor am I defending Russia. But all I want is peace in this world and not a situation where civilians suffer due to politicians, be it through this war between Russia and Ukraine or if the situation intensifies, through WW3.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Kgdktac on March 14, 2023, 09:39:28 PM
The devastating effects of war, including loss of life, destruction of infrastructure, and economic downturns, far outweigh any perceived benefits.

But then there are the Radical elements who looks to profit from the misfortune of others.
 These range from corrupt persons within the ranks of the conflicting nations to corporate institutions and stakeholders outside, with vested interest in a prolonged conflict because of profits. Such as the makers and suppliers of weapons of warfare.
So then let us answer this simple question, who has been supplying the most weapon but doesn't have a foot on ground?

There is the answer you need.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Quidat on March 14, 2023, 10:53:02 PM
Great thread by you OP.
Nobody sees anything good in war because peace is the only option to live and let live in this world. The thing Ukraine isn't understanding is, NATO is not defending or helping them (because Ukraine has not yet signed them yet) but NATO is fuelling this war just because they see good in this.

You will ask: How?
When NATO countries (I won't take names here) are sending money and all types of missiles and equipment to give Russia a strong tackle, they're doing this all because of one reason, to weaken Russia in terms of nuclear weapons that they are using to safeguard themselves and give a tough fight to NATO. Just think that why NATO countries are not directly getting involved into this? You've the reason now.
War is never been good and how are the ones who do see this as a good thing? In speaking about mainly on how many lives been wasted and been affected then its not something that people should be happy.Lots of lives been affected and lots of structures been destroyed or simply to those affected areas then we do know on what it looks like.

If we do point out fingers on whose the one is making profits or benefits out of these wars? Then to those people who are sitting on top of ranks or position.
They are the ones who do sell out weaponry which is been consumed and other war related vehicles and tools which we know that these things arent for free.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: woez on March 15, 2023, 06:19:12 AM
Yes, there are beneficiaries of this war and they benefit in different ways. My general opinion is that the most to benefit is that the arms manufacturers benefit from the war because the ideal situation for them is to arm both sides of the conflict. This increases the demand for their products and services, resulting in increased profits. Another impact of this condition is to produce an increase in geopolitical influence for the warring countries, whether military or other forces.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 15, 2023, 08:58:09 PM
Ok let's put it your way then.
Russia wants to invade Ukraine? I don't think so. They are just trying to stop them from becoming a part of NATO. Putin even said that they'll peacefully end this if that comedian Zelenskyy would stop this destructive fight instead of sending all the people of Ukraine on warground. Isn't it stupid?
Neither am I offended, nor am I defending Russia. But all I want is peace in this world and not a situation where civilians suffer due to politicians, be it through this war between Russia and Ukraine or if the situation intensifies, through WW3.

I answer according to you :)
1. Russia does not want to invade, it invaded in 2014, destroyed the citizens of Ukraine, annexed the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, created 2 sewers - the DPR and the LPR. It is a fact.

2. For those who do not read carefully or selectively read: the attack on Ukraine took place in 2014, Ukraine adopted the first official document in 2018, on the replacement of army standards from USSR standards to NATO standard armies, and possibly subsequent entry into NATO . I’ll clarify right away that the legal procedure for joining NATO for Ukraine is years, if not decades!

3. "if this comedian Zelensky stops" - well, no offense, I'll switch to your format - the old, senile homo-pedophile Putin, started the war, cowardly, in his usual manner, decided to cowardly shift the blame onto President Zelensky, who DEFENDS Ukraine, and opposes a terrorist horde led by a cowardly homo-pedophile Putin :) Well, how do you like your approach?
Your ability to try to humiliate a person because of his past does you no credit. But remember - in response you will receive the same answer, especially since Putin's real status is really vile, and corresponds to what I wrote :)
And a successful comedian is a good indicator in any case, it's better than a pedophile terrorist! Whatever Zelensky is, he makes efforts to protect his country, and does not destroy his country as a pathetic parody of the Fuhrer, Putin :)
I will add - I am not a supporter of Zelensky :)

By the way, your example looks like this - you fell ill with a very dangerous disease, which if left untreated - a fatal outcome is guaranteed, takes strong antibiotics ... And then the deadly virus that you successfully resist declares - that's it, I suggest not to eat antibiotics - this is evil, stop taking them, and I promise that you will not get sick :) Understand what is the nonsense of your speech? Putin attacked, destroys Ukraine, but invites Zelensky to stop resisting, and not start withdrawing Russian troops from the territory of Ukraine!

PS I strongly recommend that you study the REAL reasons for Russian aggression against Ukraine


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Ozero on March 16, 2023, 07:52:10 AM

Ok let's put it your way then.
Russia wants to invade Ukraine? I don't think so. They are just trying to stop them from becoming a part of NATO. Putin even said that they'll peacefully end this if that comedian Zelenskyy would stop this destructive fight instead of sending all the people of Ukraine on warground. Isn't it stupid?
Neither am I offended, nor am I defending Russia. But all I want is peace in this world and not a situation where civilians suffer due to politicians, be it through this war between Russia and Ukraine or if the situation intensifies, through WW3.
Putin began preparing for a large-scale invasion of Ukraine by denying the very concept of statehood and sovereignty of Ukraine. That is, he did not recognize Ukraine as an independent state, but Ukrainians as a nation. And then the conclusion is simple: since there is no Ukraine as a state, then you can go in and seize, as it were, no man's territory. This is Putin's insanity in the 21st century.

And Putin still periodically changes the reasons for the attack on Ukraine, and there is no point in discussing them. He began by saying that Ukraine should be "demilitarized", that is, destroy its army and deprive it of the ability to defend itself, and "denazify", that is, destroy Ukraine as a nation, although he interprets this a little differently. The fact that Putin said that he is against Ukraine joining NATO and this is another reason for attacking it is not true, if only because he does not attack Finland and Sweden because these countries decided in the past year also to join NATO and in this way, NATO is advancing directly to the northern borders of Russia. Russia threatened Finland a little and calmed down.

Russians are now killing Ukrainians for the very recognition of themselves as Ukrainians. This is a direct genocide of the Ukrainian people. Whatever Putin and his entourage say, Russia is waging an open war of conquest. The countries of Europe have long understood: if Ukraine ceases to defend itself, it will cease to exist as an independent state, and then the war will come to Europe, and in order for the war to end and peace to come, it is enough for Russia to withdraw its occupying troops from Ukraine and stop killing Ukrainians.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Joshapat on March 16, 2023, 10:13:26 AM
War of course is a disaster that can occur in the long run, countries that are at war certainly need a long time to recover, as happened in the Balkan countries where there was a war about 30 years ago but the trauma is still felt today, but war also brings benefits to other countries that sell any product in a warring country, and usually the supplying country must be prepared to take risks if the country is in debt and pays in the long term.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Cedie on March 16, 2023, 10:35:27 AM
War of course is a disaster that can occur in the long run, countries that are at war certainly need a long time to recover, as happened in the Balkan countries where there was a war about 30 years ago but the trauma is still felt today, but war also brings benefits to other countries that sell any product in a warring country, and usually the supplying country must be prepared to take risks if the country is in debt and pays in the long term.

It's devastating that there is always one who will suffer more and neighboring countries benefits. There is nothing to be happy with war aside from getting out from it. Tho peace and money can possible be gained from war, children and the innocent people always suffer the most while those in the position who decided to make the war happen are sitting comfortably. Good leadership will prevent this kind of crisis, I believe.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 16, 2023, 11:30:59 AM
Only the business of war machines can be profitable as well as the fuels that are why those who made tanks, weapons and bombs are having a lot of things to do because countries are ordering a lot of them. While people in the warzone are hiding and starving because of the chaos. The only valid thing that I want to see is that only those presidents would be at war and not those people that lived in their places since the most affected are the people.
The oil thing is so far out funny at this moment that, I can't believe that the world can still turn a blind eye to it. You know who controls all the oil in all of Iraq right now? American companies.

Yes that's right, they went there, they said there were weapons of mass destruction, realized there were none, tens of thousands of people died, even hundreds of thousands if you count all the Iraqis that died, and in return, what did they do? Left a chaotic nation who is doing much worse than before America got there, and in return of all the terrible things and mistakes they did, they took all the oil they had as a payment. How could this be ok with anyone in the world is beyond me.

You are very much mistaken! Iran is neither the only nor the largest supplier of oil. And its reserves do not make the weather on the world market.
By the way, like the change in the supply of Russian oil, nothing has changed .. Although no, it has changed - now Russia does not receive megaprofits, because its "friends" buy oil from the outcast country. India and China. As we say, "with such friends you don't need enemies" :) They force Russia, using its hopeless situation, to sell oil at a price at the cost line, or even lower :) I.e. anyway, yes - it's funny, yesterday's country, which imagined itself to be the "second pole of the world", has now become a raw materials appendage and a submissive slave of India and China :)


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: kotajikikox on March 16, 2023, 12:04:26 PM
The most  beneficial are the countries that sells arms and ammunitions to those countries in War, imagine that with the out of stock , each countries needs more shells and mortars to sustain the war and they need suppliers , and in this those big nations are the winners.

and also for the opposing countries? both are losers because even if they won the war and gets loots? this is not enough to recover the losses.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Argoo on March 16, 2023, 03:17:09 PM
The most  beneficial are the countries that sells arms and ammunitions to those countries in War, imagine that with the out of stock , each countries needs more shells and mortars to sustain the war and they need suppliers , and in this those big nations are the winners.

and also for the opposing countries? both are losers because even if they won the war and gets loots? this is not enough to recover the losses.

By invading Ukraine and unleashing a long war in Europe, which is now in its second year, Russia has spurred an arms race and this situation will clearly not be in its favor. In the war with Ukraine, high-precision NATO weapons proved to be excellent. Therefore, the demand for it will increase many times over, while at the same time the vaunted Russian weapons will not be in sufficient demand. Therefore, the military-industrial complex of the NATO countries will win.

In addition, there is another trend that is not in favor of Russia. Now European countries are actively helping Ukraine with military equipment and ammunition. First of all, Ukraine is being given Soviet weapons, which are still left in Europe, and are also being assembled around the world, which are familiar in Ukraine and which they can immediately send to the front. In exchange for Soviet, Russian weapons, these countries are receiving more modern NATO weapons, and this process is already irreversible. Europe, like other countries, against the backdrop of this war, as well as tensions with China and Iran, is not only rearming, but also greatly increasing its military potential.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Docnaster on March 17, 2023, 12:39:59 PM
To me, I think that the heavy destructive effects of war to humanity is far beyond any perceived benefit anyone can think of because during war, innocent children who are absolutely ignorant of the contentions that led to war are being in killed in cold blood.

That being said, there are people or nations who does wish for other nations or people to engage in war because of the huge economic benefits they're going  to derive when these wars happen. Some nations go as far as inciting violence and war with documentaries of past historical sad events thereby refreshing the wounds of the disadvantageous nations and make them to take actions in they think can be take to revenge their past horrors.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Bitcoin2009 on March 17, 2023, 02:36:32 PM
War certainly brings huge losses, the loss of life continues to occur, the bombs and damage are so massive that it makes the countries involved in the war suffer huge losses, and during a war of course there is no economic activity, the farmers cannot take care of the rice fields, oil and gas is disrupted thus creating problems complicated.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Bushdark on March 17, 2023, 07:52:39 PM
Yes, there are beneficiaries of this war and they benefit in different ways. My general opinion is that the most to benefit is that the arms manufacturers benefit from the war because the ideal situation for them is to arm both sides of the conflict. This increases the demand for their products and services, resulting in increased profits. Another impact of this condition is to produce an increase in geopolitical influence for the warring countries, whether military or other forces.
Fighting a war has two side, the arm suppliers and the countries that are involved. During war, the countries that are fighting the war are always creating partnership with other countries to get aid and ammunition supplies to aid them I defeating there adversaries.

Some times any if these countries would not mind exchanging there raw materials to get ammunitions and war equipments from neighboring countries. War is not a thing we should ever wish to see just like the one that is currently happening in Ukraine. Many of the Ukraine citizens had lost their homes, properties, families and friends just because of the conflict between them and Russia.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 18, 2023, 10:37:21 AM
The most beneficial are the countries that sells arms and ammunitions to those countries in War, imagine that with the out of stock , each countries needs more shells and mortars to sustain the war and they need suppliers , and in this those big nations are the winners .
and also for the opposing countries? both are losers because even if they won the war and gets loots? this is not enough to recover the losses.


The benefit, direct, in this case can only be in the case of the SALE of these weapons. But in today's situation, when most of the weapons are being transferred to Ukraine to fight the country as an international terrorist, on the basis of gratuitous assistance. Those. market value, not helper countries, nor producing enterprises - do not receive. Of course, the manufacturer receives payment from the budget of his country, but this is not a "market" price and the margin is much lower there.
What definitely works and helps is the revival of the military-industrial complex of the USA, Britain, Germany and other countries. Also - the growth of the prestige of Western technologies and weapons, against the background of the revealed fake status of Russian weapons "unparalleled".

By the way, the military-industrial complex of Ukraine also began to develop since 2016, quite actively, which also helps the country's economy in this situation.

Well, and most importantly, even these advantages were not a goal, but a consequence of the terrorist war unleashed by Russia against Ukraine.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Ozero on March 18, 2023, 06:14:58 PM
War certainly brings huge losses, the loss of life continues to occur, the bombs and damage are so massive that it makes the countries involved in the war suffer huge losses, and during a war of course there is no economic activity, the farmers cannot take care of the rice fields, oil and gas is disrupted thus creating problems complicated.
Russia is now suffering colossal losses in the war in Ukraine, which have not been seen since the Second World War.
On March 18, in a morning report to Russian President Vladimir Putin, representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry reported on the irretrievable losses of Russian troops, that is, the number of dead and missing in Ukraine, which amounted to more than 226,000 people. Of these, 165,713 are servicemen of the regular army, 53,592 are members of PMCs and 7,144 are members of the National Guard.

In Russia, more than a quarter of a million have already been killed, several times more wounded. Was it worth it to attack your peaceful neighbors and try to take away their territory and destroy the Ukrainians as a nation? The losses of the invaders will grow much more when the Armed Forces of Ukraine will soon go on the offensive and the Russian front in Ukraine will crumble.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: serveria.com on March 19, 2023, 11:34:27 AM
War certainly brings huge losses, the loss of life continues to occur, the bombs and damage are so massive that it makes the countries involved in the war suffer huge losses, and during a war of course there is no economic activity, the farmers cannot take care of the rice fields, oil and gas is disrupted thus creating problems complicated.
Russia is now suffering colossal losses in the war in Ukraine, which have not been seen since the Second World War.
On March 18, in a morning report to Russian President Vladimir Putin, representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry reported on the irretrievable losses of Russian troops, that is, the number of dead and missing in Ukraine, which amounted to more than 226,000 people. Of these, 165,713 are servicemen of the regular army, 53,592 are members of PMCs and 7,144 are members of the National Guard.

In Russia, more than a quarter of a million have already been killed, several times more wounded. Was it worth it to attack your peaceful neighbors and try to take away their territory and destroy the Ukrainians as a nation? The losses of the invaders will grow much more when the Armed Forces of Ukraine will soon go on the offensive and the Russian front in Ukraine will crumble.

Very interesting info, could you please provide a source/link where you found it? I know that Ukrainian side are not disclosing their losses since day 1, whereas Russians initially started reporting casualties but then apparently stopped and classified this info. I don't think it's possible to find this data online, was there some kind of data leak?


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 19, 2023, 01:46:51 PM
War certainly brings huge losses, the loss of life continues to occur, the bombs and damage are so massive that it makes the countries involved in the war suffer huge losses, and during a war of course there is no economic activity, the farmers cannot take care of the rice fields, oil and gas is disrupted thus creating problems complicated.
Russia is now suffering colossal losses in the war in Ukraine, which have not been seen since the Second World War.
On March 18, in a morning report to Russian President Vladimir Putin, representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry reported on the irretrievable losses of Russian troops, that is, the number of dead and missing in Ukraine, which amounted to more than 226,000 people. Of these, 165,713 are servicemen of the regular army, 53,592 are members of PMCs and 7,144 are members of the National Guard.

In Russia, more than a quarter of a million have already been killed, several times more wounded. Was it worth it to attack your peaceful neighbors and try to take away their territory and destroy the Ukrainians as a nation? The losses of the invaders will grow much more when the Armed Forces of Ukraine will soon go on the offensive and the Russian front in Ukraine will crumble.


The destroyed manpower of the terrorist country, this is very good! This is the demoralization of "potential" terrorists, and the weakening of the economy, and the deterioration of the demographic picture.
Thanks to Western partners who supply Ukraine with excellent weapons, which allows, like in a shooting range, to destroy waves of Russian terrorists, whom, according to the habit of the Second World War, the Russian command throws at our fortified areas!
Now there is another component of the defeat of Russia - the destruction of logistics, the destruction or disabling of missile launchers, electronic warfare, support and support systems, radar, ...
Moreover, this is already being done deep behind enemy lines, both by means provided by our friends, and by our own developments, which we managed to "put on stream" last year. Yes, so far ballistic missiles are dangerous, but I'm sure new weapons will level their threats.

Well, it is very important - Ukraine has managed to actually completely destroy the more or less modern part of the tank forces today. Now in Russia they are reopening "scrap metal" produced in the 60-70s of the last century, which morally, qualitatively and technologically, have irreversibly degraded.
A very noticeable blow was also dealt to the Air Force - a significant number of combat aircraft (airplanes and helicopters) were destroyed, elements of the "nuclear triad" - strategic air-missile carriers, early warning systems - were destroyed little by little.

By the way - absolutely whole "unparalleled" T90 tanks were captured, which were disassembled and studied. Bottom line: all high-tech solutions are of Western, not Russian origin, which means that the production of new copies of these weapons becomes, after the imposition of sanctions, almost impossible.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: cafee_orange on March 19, 2023, 03:38:36 PM
of course from every war that took place in several countries there were parties who benefited and there were also parties who felt disadvantaged from the war. for example, the war that is currently going on between Russia and Ukraine, as I have read in a media that in this war there are parties who benefit, namely America.
https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/20220818111047-4-364665/rusia-bongkar-dinding-yang-untung-dan-buntung-di-perang-ukraina

it seems that in the link that I included you can see it carefully and thoroughly, who will benefit from the war between Russia and Ukraine!


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: 19Nov16 on March 20, 2023, 02:12:27 PM
War is a big disaster because of the many losses it causes, but behind the war of course there are countries that smile because they get profits, the country is a supplier of weapons, foodstuffs and so on, almost all production activities will stop during the war so that countries that are at war automatically buy from other countries.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 20, 2023, 03:03:32 PM
War is a big disaster because of the many losses it causes, but behind the war of course there are countries that smile because they get profits, the country is a supplier of weapons, foodstuffs and so on, almost all production activities will stop during the war so that countries that are at war automatically buy from other countries.

Russia was counting on such a scenario.
I'll start a little from afar to understand what I mean.
When Russia launched a terrorist attack, and this was in February 2014, and not in 2022, Russia was "probing" the world reaction. And the position of pro-Kremlin politicians in the EU (Merkel, Orban, Berlusconi's entourage, Macron and some others) was "ideal" - everyone stuck their tongues into themselves .... well, you understand where. And they pretended that nothing was happening. Although in Ukraine during the period 2014-2022 a huge number of citizens of Ukraine were destroyed, hundreds of settlements were destroyed .... But the EU and the rest of the world pretended - "well, let them sort it out themselves, we are not interested, it is more interesting for us to share money from the Kremlin's oil and gas "and nothing that this money is in the blood ...
And so it was until 2022. when Putin decided for himself that the world is at his feet, everyone is afraid of him, and everyone will worship him, because he is the "oil and gas god", he has the "second army of the world", and all the policies of the world powers are in his hand ! Plus there was a "blessing" of China, because. China, on the "guinea pig" of Russia, wanted to watch the reaction of the world to the occupation of FOREIGN territories. And on February 24, 2022, Putin, with a sadistic grin, sent his troops to destroy Ukraine as a state and a subject of international law.

The reaction of the United States and Britain completely broke all the plans of the Kremlin ... The sanctions for the terrorist attack on Ukraine turned out to be very harsh. And the Russian miserable parody of the Fuhrer decided to start economic terror against the EU, which supported the sanctions. Here you have seen everything yourself - interruptions in the supply of gas. Moreover, the first "demonstration performances" were long before that. The Kremlin "showed" to Europe what would happen if you "resisted" and "disobeyed Putin." You probably remember the cessation of gas supply to the EU in the winter of 2018 and 2019 (I could be wrong - but information with dates is very easy to find), I think, literally for a couple of days, but .. just to show "who is the boss" ... But ... it turned out that the authorities in Germany had changed, and the "Kremlin bedding" was no longer may have no effect. Although you remember how Merkel tried to persuade him to sit down at the negotiating table and agree to the terms of Russia!
As a result - a complete failure, both in the war (it is going to defeat Russia), and on the world stage - Russia is a rogue country, the president is an international criminal. Perhaps you saw how the USSR collapsed, now we will see how rashism and Russia as its basis cease to exist


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Ozero on March 22, 2023, 12:08:47 PM
War certainly brings huge losses, the loss of life continues to occur, the bombs and damage are so massive that it makes the countries involved in the war suffer huge losses, and during a war of course there is no economic activity, the farmers cannot take care of the rice fields, oil and gas is disrupted thus creating problems complicated.
Russia is now suffering colossal losses in the war in Ukraine, which have not been seen since the Second World War.
On March 18, in a morning report to Russian President Vladimir Putin, representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry reported on the irretrievable losses of Russian troops, that is, the number of dead and missing in Ukraine, which amounted to more than 226,000 people. Of these, 165,713 are servicemen of the regular army, 53,592 are members of PMCs and 7,144 are members of the National Guard.

In Russia, more than a quarter of a million have already been killed, several times more wounded. Was it worth it to attack your peaceful neighbors and try to take away their territory and destroy the Ukrainians as a nation? The losses of the invaders will grow much more when the Armed Forces of Ukraine will soon go on the offensive and the Russian front in Ukraine will crumble.

Very interesting info, could you please provide a source/link where you found it? I know that Ukrainian side are not disclosing their losses since day 1, whereas Russians initially started reporting casualties but then apparently stopped and classified this info. I don't think it's possible to find this data online, was there some kind of data leak?
Yes, indeed, Ukraine classified information about its losses in the war until the end of hostilities. At first, Russia named the losses, reducing them very much in order to reassure the population of their country, and when the coffins went en masse and it became useless to deny the big losses, they also stopped talking about it. But in Russia they are in control of the situation about their losses at the front in Ukraine and regularly report this to Putin. But foreign intelligence is also working in Russia, and secret data is being leaked. If such information gets into the media, then its sources are hidden. Information about Russia's military losses in Ukraine periodically appears in the media, and at the same time they refer to the Russian Telegram channel "General SVR".
Source : https://donpress.com/news/18-03-2023-putinu-posle-pereryva-ozvuchili-novye-dannye-o-poteryakh-v-ukraine.

I use information from some Ukrainian news sources that I trust. But unfortunately, there is no way to make links to the text.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Negotiation on March 22, 2023, 12:25:02 PM
In war both sides usually suffer a lot and the other side benefits from the middle and the arms dealers are more. The arms trade seems likely to flourish because there is no sign of the war ending but everyone is more or less losing but benefiting but the united states.  they are trying to get to the door of russia, and they are quite comfortable with the wind in their economy due to the sale of arms and the high value of the dollar all over the world.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: serveria.com on March 22, 2023, 07:34:15 PM
War certainly brings huge losses, the loss of life continues to occur, the bombs and damage are so massive that it makes the countries involved in the war suffer huge losses, and during a war of course there is no economic activity, the farmers cannot take care of the rice fields, oil and gas is disrupted thus creating problems complicated.
Russia is now suffering colossal losses in the war in Ukraine, which have not been seen since the Second World War.
On March 18, in a morning report to Russian President Vladimir Putin, representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry reported on the irretrievable losses of Russian troops, that is, the number of dead and missing in Ukraine, which amounted to more than 226,000 people. Of these, 165,713 are servicemen of the regular army, 53,592 are members of PMCs and 7,144 are members of the National Guard.

In Russia, more than a quarter of a million have already been killed, several times more wounded. Was it worth it to attack your peaceful neighbors and try to take away their territory and destroy the Ukrainians as a nation? The losses of the invaders will grow much more when the Armed Forces of Ukraine will soon go on the offensive and the Russian front in Ukraine will crumble.

Very interesting info, could you please provide a source/link where you found it? I know that Ukrainian side are not disclosing their losses since day 1, whereas Russians initially started reporting casualties but then apparently stopped and classified this info. I don't think it's possible to find this data online, was there some kind of data leak?
Yes, indeed, Ukraine classified information about its losses in the war until the end of hostilities. At first, Russia named the losses, reducing them very much in order to reassure the population of their country, and when the coffins went en masse and it became useless to deny the big losses, they also stopped talking about it. But in Russia they are in control of the situation about their losses at the front in Ukraine and regularly report this to Putin. But foreign intelligence is also working in Russia, and secret data is being leaked. If such information gets into the media, then its sources are hidden. Information about Russia's military losses in Ukraine periodically appears in the media, and at the same time they refer to the Russian Telegram channel "General SVR".
Source : https://donpress.com/news/18-03-2023-putinu-posle-pereryva-ozvuchili-novye-dannye-o-poteryakh-v-ukraine.

I use information from some Ukrainian news sources that I trust. But unfortunately, there is no way to make links to the text.

That donpress.com doesn't look like a credible source to me. Besides, according to whois this domain is registered and hosted in Ukraine. You are referring to "some Ukrainian news sources" which definitely contain propaganda (would be logical). In other words: you don't have any credible, reputable, independent source to confirm those numbers. I guess nobody knows the real numbers atm (well apart from Putin and Zelensky and their higher military officers).


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: odunybiz on March 22, 2023, 10:38:34 PM
War isn't something good. No one benefit during or after war no matter the cause of the war. Imagine the resources and infrastructures destroy during the Russia and Ukrinre war recently.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 23, 2023, 11:17:44 AM
That donpress.com doesn't look like a credible source to me. Besides, according to whois this domain is registered and hosted in Ukraine. You are referring to "some Ukrainian news sources" which definitely contain propaganda (would be logical). In other words: you don't have any credible, reputable, independent source to confirm those numbers. I guess nobody knows the real numbers atm (well apart from Putin and Zelensky and their higher military officers).

just find and subscribe to the Telegram channel "Гeнepaл CBP". Information from the "Kremlin corridors" is constantly published there. On the one hand, I agree - the telegram channel is not the most trusted source of information. On the other hand, by reading the information from this channel and comparing it with what is happening in reality, you can quickly make sure that the information from this channel appears before the events and accurately describes what we should expect. For at least half a year since I subscribed to the channel, I did not see a single piece of news there that was not later confirmed by reality. Just subscribe and compare the "announcement of events" with reality. You can also check some of the numbers that are published there


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: iv4n on March 23, 2023, 11:23:24 AM
I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.

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A war profiteer is any person or organization that derives unreasonable profit from warfare or by selling weapons and other goods to parties at war.

Now do some digging and check who is "the best weapon seller" and how much they earn... these guys are far from conflict (read yachts, private islands...) but they earn a lot by selling guns all over the world. Even more when they come after the war with investments and new companies that will rebuild everything that is destroyed. Corporations... can we add anything to that?

Since I live in Serbia I have some direct experience with wars. In war times there is still a market, a dark one mostly, and prices go high because the supply is disturbed. There are many fair and unfair players... and you can't believe how much money the big players are making, the ones who have trucks and plains and government approval for their illegal business.
And of course, there are those with a disturbed moral compass. Who kills and cleans houses one after another... And when the war is over, what do you think all these people do? Assuming, of course, that they survived... These guys usually have a criminal history, and after the war ends they just continue on the same path. In Serbia, many serious crimes were committed by ex-soldiers.

Nothing good can come from wars, we all know that but we still have so many wars around. Countries have bigger and bigger armies with more and more weapons... and they say "we need it for protection"! What a joke...:)

...Imagine the resources and infrastructures destroy during the Russia and Ukrinre war recently.

Don't you worry! New companies will arise, and everything will be rebuilt... Who owns those companies and how they earned their "first million" is not so important. How they got big contracts is also shady, but is it really matter? The truth is sad, it's all I can say... but the world keeps sping around and we don't have any other choices than to continue to live, the best we can.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 23, 2023, 12:18:42 PM
While the Kremlin propagandists are inventing new fakes, such as about "another capture of Bakhmut", we can get acquainted with real information.
By the way, in order to understand what the "second army of the world" really is, they have been trying to take the small town of Bakhmut for 8 months. Which protects the Armed Forces of Ukraine - "not representing any threat to the Russian army" :) A huge number of regular troops of the Russian Federation, including elite units, were destroyed there, then there was an attempt to throw the bodies of the mobilized, and then the bodies of the criminals from the PMC Wagner.

Over the past 3 months, according to the OSCE, about 30,000 Russian terrorists have died there. And this is data only on the losses of the regular army of the Russian Federation, excluding PMCs and other terrorist groups. This is data for a short period, from under one small town. You can only guess the real scale of losses ....

Now for the impact. You understand that the main part of those drafted into the Russian terrorist army are men from 20 to 50 years old. Most productive age And now imagine, if according to confirmed data, about 250,000 of them were destroyed in Ukraine. At the same time, "medical losses" - wounded, mutilated, without arms, without legs, who have lost their sight - are approximately 3 times more. In total, approximately 1 million men in Russia simply became useless or disappeared. Another 2 to 4 million left Russia, running away from mobilization. half of them are also men of the most productive age. Now they work for pennies in Georgia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and other border countries.

Now imagine what it means for a country with about 80 million people to lose 2-3 million men of their most productive age?
Of the 80 million, about 40% are pensioners, another 30% are from 0 to 18 years old. The total productive population is about 30%. Or about 24 million. In total, about 3 million of them have been removed.
Why did I specify 80 million? Because this is the real population of Russia and not fake data about 140 million, and this is easily verified ...


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Smartprofit on March 23, 2023, 01:13:23 PM
The reduction of the male population in the country is, of course, a terrible catastrophe. 

Everything was fine in Russia, the only really serious problem in terms of the country's long-term prospects was the poor demographic situation. 

Sex, not aggression - that should have been the motto of the Russians! 

At the same time, the outflow of young people from Russia continues.  A friend of mine recently told me that he was going to move to Spain, he was afraid of the difficulties he would face in this country, but he had already decided to leave. 

Another friend of mine cannot leave the country yet because of his elderly parents who need constant care.  He says that two events will be the signal for him to leave the country - the adoption of a law on the introduction of the death penalty in the country and the closure of YouTube.  He believes that since the country is very large, he will be able to illegally cross the border at X hour. However, it is possible that this is an illusion.... 

The fate of a huge number of people ruined and crippled.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 23, 2023, 02:08:29 PM
The reduction of the male population in the country is, of course, a terrible catastrophe. 

Everything was fine in Russia, the only really serious problem in terms of the country's long-term prospects was the poor demographic situation. 

Sex, not aggression - that should have been the motto of the Russians! 

At the same time, the outflow of young people from Russia continues.  A friend of mine recently told me that he was going to move to Spain, he was afraid of the difficulties he would face in this country, but he had already decided to leave. 

Another friend of mine cannot leave the country yet because of his elderly parents who need constant care.  He says that two events will be the signal for him to leave the country - the adoption of a law on the introduction of the death penalty in the country and the closure of YouTube.  He believes that since the country is very large, he will be able to illegally cross the border at X hour. However, it is possible that this is an illusion.... 

The fate of a huge number of people ruined and crippled.

If we discard Russia's aggression towards other countries and look "inside" - today Putin is actually destroying Russia, its future, and has crossed out almost any qualitative prospects for many decades ...
And the demographic problem, which has already been created, will create huge problems for the whole country for many decades to come.
Internal degradation, the destruction of the population, the degradation of the economy, the status of a pariah country, and other "successes" of Putin can really turn Russia into an absolutely depressive country of the 3rd world, if not worse ...

Moreover, I do not exclude the option of a "quiet" expansion of the same China, which today objectively needs women of childbearing age and those who have the opportunity to bear children. And Russian women may be China's real target. China cares about its demographics, and is already doing everything possible to avoid problems in the future.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Ngewex Yuk on March 24, 2023, 03:51:38 AM
War of course makes huge losses more than benefits, only a few countries can benefit from war, usually countries that have special relations that can supply countries that are at war, as happened with the Ukraine vs Russia war of course the countries bordering these 2 countries benefit because during the war many economic activities could not be carried out.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: fauzan Ichsan on March 24, 2023, 08:30:37 AM
War of course makes huge losses more than benefits, only a few countries can benefit from war, usually countries that have special relations that can supply countries that are at war, as happened with the Ukraine vs Russia war of course the countries bordering these 2 countries benefit because during the war many economic activities could not be carried out.
due to pressing needs, we can sell at high prices. Of course, in a war situation, it will be difficult for us to make ends meet as normal, so even though they are expensive because of scarcity, we still buy them. In this case, I think that Ukraine is the most disadvantaged, because more infrastructure is damaged, and indeed it is an opportunity for neighboring countries to provide materials needed for warring countries.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: fuguebtc on March 24, 2023, 08:51:41 AM
War isn't something good. No one benefit during or after war no matter the cause of the war. Imagine the resources and infrastructures destroy during the Russia and Ukrinre war recently.

That is not good for us peace-loving citizens, but for politicians, it is necessary to consolidate power as well as show strength. In war, the winner will be the beneficiary, they will have all they want if they win.

In war, the main beneficiaries are the arms sellers, and after the war ends, every country needs capital to rebuild the country, and the lenders benefit.
The wars in Ukraine and Russia are hurting the people of both countries and affecting everyone in the world, but there are always beneficiaries in it, and that's why they don't want it to end early.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Gallar on March 24, 2023, 10:45:39 AM
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
There are always countries that benefit from interstate wars, for example, from the Russian and Ukrainian wars, there are several countries that benefit.

CHINA
China benefited from the war between Russia and Ukraine when it came to purchasing energy businesses. this was caused by the boycott of the US and its allies.

INDIA
India also benefited from the war between Russia and Ukraine, India reportedly bought crude oil and made it fuel oil and then sold it.

maybe in the end if the war continues it will cause a crisis in Russia and Europe which is getting weaker.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 24, 2023, 02:07:28 PM
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
There are always countries that benefit from interstate wars, for example, from the Russian and Ukrainian wars, there are several countries that benefit.

CHINA
China benefited from the war between Russia and Ukraine when it came to purchasing energy businesses. this was caused by the boycott of the US and its allies.

INDIA
India also benefited from the war between Russia and Ukraine, India reportedly bought crude oil and made it fuel oil and then sold it.

maybe in the end if the war continues it will cause a crisis in Russia and Europe which is getting weaker.

The benefit of China and India is, firstly, a temporary phenomenon :)
Secondly, this is not a benefit - but a "cynical robbing of Russia", which has driven itself into such an idiotic position.
It won't last forever or even a long period.
The only potential benefit in this situation (not from the war, but from the political situation) is China, which has already become a "big brother" for Russia, and in the future will become the owner of part of its territories, which Russia will either simply give away or exchange for "glass beads", because no one else will help Russia.

I apologize in advance for any cynicism regarding my next speech. Yes, we will never return hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian citizens who were destroyed in a barbaric and sadistic way by the Russians ... We will not return childhood to children whose childhood will always be associated with war, death and devastation, we will never return dead husbands and sons to their wives and children and mothers...
But Ukraine, after the victory will be reborn. The destroyed cities, the economy will be restored, Ukraine will become very attractive for investment. Against the backdrop of the tragedy that occurred, this is not the worst scenario for the development of the situation.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: mulia sabee on March 24, 2023, 04:46:45 PM
one of them is countries that produce defense equipment or sophisticated war equipment, they will benefit from sales made to the warring parties on the battlefield. I think only countries like that benefit in every war that occurs


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: jenny56 on March 25, 2023, 03:35:44 AM
I thing the War between Russia and Ukraine is very dangerous, its nit affecting just the warring countries but also the economies of many other countries. That whyu there may be some beneficiaries, the overall impact is negative and harmful to all over stability and growth


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: fuer44 on March 25, 2023, 04:10:21 AM
In the near future or in a period of war, no one gains. the victorious side got power, but many soldiers and people died. Many buildings, fields or farms were damaged. The economy must be build up again from 0. The losing side also suffers more losses because they have to be sovereign over the winning side. But in the future if the reorganization of the people's economy goes well, then the advantage will go to the side who won the war because their territory will expand and their economy will be very prosperous.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Kath Bliss on March 25, 2023, 04:40:44 AM
There are some countries that benefit from war, even if they're not directly involved. These countries may benefit economically as they sell weapons, provide resources, or provide services to the parties involved in the conflict. They can also benefit politically by influencing the outcome of the conflict, which can give them increased power and influence in the region. Additionally, some countries benefit strategically by having a buffer between themselves and potential enemies.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on March 26, 2023, 10:02:52 AM
In the near future or in a period of war, no one gains. the victorious side got power, but many soldiers and people died. Many buildings, fields or farms were damaged. The economy must be build up again from 0. The losing side also suffers more losses because they have to be sovereign over the winning side. But in the future if the reorganization of the people's economy goes well, then the advantage will go to the side who won the war because their territory will expand and their economy will be very prosperous.


That is why Russia, a terrorist country, left us no other way out - except for the victory and defeat of Russia.
Until recently, "the greatest geopolitical hub of the world, Russia" has already turned into a nonentity and a pariah country. Yes, they still have the means to wage war. Yes, they will still terrorize Ukraine and the whole world, including with nuclear weapons. But if you now succumb to this blackmail, the world will always become a hostage to such a situation.
And that is why - there can be no peace negotiations - only a victory over Russia, an international court, reparations and decades of punishment of all the inhabitants of Russia for supporting the war and the bastard government.

In the meantime, a little on the topic, about the next successes of "great Russia":
Russia's federal budget deficit continues to grow, said Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin, speaking with a report on the work of the government in the State Duma.
As of March 8, the government's spending more than doubled its revenues - 6.3 trillion rubles against 3 trillion, Mishustin said.
Thus, after a record deficit of 1.8 trillion rubles in January for 25 years, growth to 2.6 trillion rubles in February, in the first week of March, the hole in the treasury reached 3.3 trillion rubles.
As of March 21, the deficit increased to 3.7 trillion rubles, follows from the data of the Electronic Budget system. Having collected 3.352 trillion rubles in taxes, the Ministry of Finance spent 7.035 trillion.
https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2023/03/23/mishustin-konstatiroval-uvelichenie-diri-v-rossiiskom-byudzhete-a37916


And a few words about politics. Dmitry Medvedev's speech "We will bomb Ukraine until it turns into Russia!" Did you understand the meaning? Russia is=a bombed-out country and a destroyed economy! Some kind of advertisement for a clinic for the treatment of severe forms of alcoholism and personality degradation would be good here :)


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Ozero on April 15, 2023, 04:58:20 AM

The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.

Do not even hope that Russia will win this war. The Russian professional army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine. Recently there was information that the army special forces of Russia have already suffered losses of 90-95 percent due to the fact that Putin wants to capture the small town of Bakhmut at all costs in order to show the Russians at least some kind of victory. Therefore, Russia threw its remnants of special forces and airborne troops to capture him, which are almost over. It will take at least ten years for Russia to restore these elite troops.

Now, through electronic subpoenas, the Kremlin wants to conscript at least 400,000 of the country's able-bodied population into the army. This will lead to a collapse in the demographic sphere and possible riots.

Most importantly, the Russians do not understand why they should go to Ukraine and die there. With an extremely low moral and psychological state and already with an acute shortage of military equipment and weapons, wars of conquest are not won.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: concept2 on April 15, 2023, 05:33:57 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.

Bruh, I feel you on the war and sht going on between Russia and Ukraine. Wars are a real mess, and they can fck up society for a long time. But there are always people making money off it. Usually, it's those with access to resources and technology that they can use to get rich from war.

The ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine has really messed up the economy for a bunch of countries. Lots of products and services aren't available anymore because of the war. But there are people benefiting from it too, like those making and selling arms and ammunition, or those giving logistical support to the military.

The war in Ukraine is hella complicated, and it's not easy to find a solution that everyone will be happy with. But we can do stuff to help innocent civilians, like giving aid and support to those affected by the war. And we need to get the warring parties to talk and find a peaceful solution to the conflict.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on April 16, 2023, 03:09:24 PM
Do not even hope that Russia will win this war. The Russian professional army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine. Recently there was information that the army special forces of Russia have already suffered losses of 90-95 percent due to the fact that Putin wants to capture the small town of Bakhmut at all costs in order to show the Russians at least some kind of victory. Therefore, Russia threw its remnants of special forces and airborne troops to capture him, which are almost over. It will take at least ten years for Russia to restore these elite troops.

Now, through electronic subpoenas, the Kremlin wants to conscript at least 400,000 of the country's able-bodied population into the army. This will lead to a collapse in the demographic sphere and possible riots.

Most importantly, the Russians do not understand why they should go to Ukraine and die there. With an extremely low moral and psychological state and already with an acute shortage of military equipment and weapons, wars of conquest are not won.
 
Ukraine is still losing territory, recently Russia captured 80 percent of the city of Bakhmut Ukraine Armey is withdrawing from all the cities near the frontline. If Russia has lost 90 percent of soldiers then how this is possible? and Ukraine has recently received advanced weapons from United states and other NATO countries till now Russia has ordered only one round of mobilization on the other has Ukraine has impose  14 rounds of mobilization. For me it looks a safe Russia is having plenty of reserve soldiers  while Ukraine is running out of manpower.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Argoo on April 16, 2023, 04:03:50 PM
Do not even hope that Russia will win this war. The Russian professional army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine. Recently there was information that the army special forces of Russia have already suffered losses of 90-95 percent due to the fact that Putin wants to capture the small town of Bakhmut at all costs in order to show the Russians at least some kind of victory. Therefore, Russia threw its remnants of special forces and airborne troops to capture him, which are almost over. It will take at least ten years for Russia to restore these elite troops.

Now, through electronic subpoenas, the Kremlin wants to conscript at least 400,000 of the country's able-bodied population into the army. This will lead to a collapse in the demographic sphere and possible riots.

Most importantly, the Russians do not understand why they should go to Ukraine and die there. With an extremely low moral and psychological state and already with an acute shortage of military equipment and weapons, wars of conquest are not won.
 
Ukraine is still losing territory, recently Russia captured 80 percent of the city of Bakhmut Ukraine Armey is withdrawing from all the cities near the frontline. If Russia has lost 90 percent of soldiers then how this is possible? and Ukraine has recently received advanced weapons from United states and other NATO countries till now Russia has ordered only one round of mobilization on the other has Ukraine has impose  14 rounds of mobilization. For me it looks a safe Russia is having plenty of reserve soldiers  while Ukraine is running out of manpower.
Ukraine has not lost its territories for a long time, and with some exceptions, it is only returning back. In practice, this happened two months after the Russian attack, when the central and northern regions of Ukraine were liberated. In any case, after the mobilization of more than 300 thousand people in Russia in September and the Russian winter offensive, the Ukrainians did not lose their territory.

  The fighting in Bakhmut takes place with varying success, since the Russians make more than a hundred attacks per day, incurring colossal losses. In recent days, the center of Bakhmut, the railway station, the railway was again recaptured from the Russians, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are successfully counterattacking. Both roads leading to Bakhmut are also under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The Ukrainian army does not retreat in any sector of the front. This information is incorrect. Moreover, except for Bakhmut and Avdiivka, as well as at Svatovo and Kremennaya, the Russians do not attack anywhere else and go on the defensive, since they do not have enough troops or equipment to attack.

Now in Ukraine, the formation of the so-called "Offensive Guard" of about 60-70 thousand exclusively volunteers with experience in combat operations or law enforcement agencies is nearing completion. They will be the shock fist of the spring offensive. In a month or a month and a half, we will see how the Russians will flee in panic from the south and east of Ukraine. It's not long now.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Wakate on April 16, 2023, 04:10:40 PM

The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.

Do not even hope that Russia will win this war. The Russian professional army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine. Recently there was information that the army special forces of Russia have already suffered losses of 90-95 percent due to the fact that Putin wants to capture the small town of Bakhmut at all costs in order to show the Russians at least some kind of victory. Therefore, Russia threw its remnants of special forces and airborne troops to capture him, which are almost over. It will take at least ten years for Russia to restore these elite troops.

Now, through electronic subpoenas, the Kremlin wants to conscript at least 400,000 of the country's able-bodied population into the army. This will lead to a collapse in the demographic sphere and possible riots.

Most importantly, the Russians do not understand why they should go to Ukraine and die there. With an extremely low moral and psychological state and already with an acute shortage of military equipment and weapons, wars of conquest are not won.
There are so many persons or countries that can benefit from a war depending on the level of the war. Those who are sending weapons to there favorite country that are involved in the war are the one that used to benefit. War is not good at all that is why I will never support ear at all. If we look at the current war between the Russians and Ukraine, there are a lot of countries that may be benefiting indirectly from the war using Ukraine as a stepping stone to get what they want from the war attacking Russia indirectly using Ukraine.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Lida93 on April 16, 2023, 04:15:17 PM
Frankly, the US is the cause of this war, and they are the party that is receiving a lot of orders to buy weapons from allies in the world, so it can be said that the US is the most beneficial party. Besides, because of the war, the world fell into an economic crisis, also when they exported inflation to the countries that were their debtors.
Let's say what you say is true, but actually you also shouldn't accuse them like that without attaching evidence, because accusing a party without including evidence is also not good. Even though war and inflation do have causes, so everyone needs to look for the real causes to be disclosed to the public without accusing what is in each person's mind, because during a war only certain parties can benefit while most people only feel trouble.
The recent pentagon leak by the 21 years old national guard that's currently facing charges for the unprofessional act does raises questions if really the US is a party to the cause of this war or not and going by the leakage information it's obvious for an open minded person to agree if they have a hand in it or not.  Moreso there are other issues that follows in the information that surfaces out to the public apart from the issue of the Ukraine-Russia war. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/4/14/pentagon-leak-suspect-faces-charges-in-us-court&ved=2ahUKEwiQ352s5K7-AhU7hP0HHS0VBgkQFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1nXmnKqqMHBMeGIb-TNFxl


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: |MINER| on April 16, 2023, 11:27:06 PM
Talking about benefits, I would say war never brings benefits.
War always brings destruction to both sides. And if I say who benefited from this war then I would say Russia. moreover, in all other fields, all the countries of the world are facing economic crisis. I think this situation is due to the introduction of various restrictions on oil and gas.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Vaskiy on April 16, 2023, 11:45:09 PM
Talking about benefits, I would say war never brings benefits.
War always brings destruction to both sides. And if I say who benefited from this war then I would say Russia. moreover, in all other fields, all the countries of the world are facing economic crisis. I think this situation is due to the introduction of various restrictions on oil and gas.
When there happens war, each and everyone in the world suffers some sort of economic difficulty. This happens as a result of country's having dependency over each other for some needs. Apart all this the big profit makers or the benefiting one's during the war were the war equipment selling countries. When war takes place big business takes place.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: andriarto on April 17, 2023, 02:44:16 AM
Talking about benefits, I would say war never brings benefits.
War always brings destruction to both sides. And if I say who benefited from this war then I would say Russia. moreover, in all other fields, all the countries of the world are facing economic crisis. I think this situation is due to the introduction of various restrictions on oil and gas.
When there happens war, each and everyone in the world suffers some sort of economic difficulty. This happens as a result of country's having dependency over each other for some needs. Apart all this the big profit makers or the benefiting one's during the war were the war equipment selling countries. When war takes place big business takes place.
Humanely, war will only make everyone miserable, especially the people. but behind the war, of course, there is a separate mission from the rulers who certainly want their goals to be achieved with sacrifices that have been calculated beforehand, so that if their goals are achieved, then they will benefit, and of course they also make cooperation with other countries to supply weapons and other equipment, for example .


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Smartprofit on April 17, 2023, 08:41:20 AM
When two guys got into a fight outside a supermarket because one guy accidentally pushed the other, that's war too. 

Both guys in the fight will receive serious bodily harm.  It is also possible that they will be taken to the police (for fighting in a public place).  That is, the confrontation brings trouble to both sides of the conflict. 

In a war between countries, everything is the same.  Governments convince people that wars are inevitable, but this is a lie. 

Wars happen because of the stupidity of government officials, because of their ambition, because of their appalling incompetence and lack of interpersonal skills.  There is no benefit to the belligerents from wars.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Ozero on April 17, 2023, 08:43:20 AM

Humanely, war will only make everyone miserable, especially the people. but behind the war, of course, there is a separate mission from the rulers who certainly want their goals to be achieved with sacrifices that have been calculated beforehand, so that if their goals are achieved, then they will benefit, and of course they also make cooperation with other countries to supply weapons and other equipment, for example .
You are talking very vaguely about the mission of the rulers who start the war, and about their goals in a particular war.
  In February last year, Russia attacked Ukraine with its eight armies, some 180,000-200,000 in total. Moreover, the attack was from three sides: from the south, from the side of the previously captured Crimean peninsula, from the east, where Russia had attacked the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine eight years before, and also from the north, from Belarus. What then, in your opinion, was the mission of the rulers of Russia, making such an attack, and what were the goals in this war?


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Supreemo on April 17, 2023, 02:04:53 PM
When two guys got into a fight outside a supermarket because one guy accidentally pushed the other, that's war too. 

Both guys in the fight will receive serious bodily harm.  It is also possible that they will be taken to the police (for fighting in a public place).  That is, the confrontation brings trouble to both sides of the conflict. 

In a war between countries, everything is the same.  Governments convince people that wars are inevitable, but this is a lie. 

Wars happen because of the stupidity of government officials, because of their ambition, because of their appalling incompetence and lack of interpersonal skills.  There is no benefit to the belligerents from wars.
only big companies and corporations who support war are the victors, and i don't think that's a good thing for both parties since everyone is suffering and having to deal with casualties. in result, high number of medicine, food, ammunitions, war supplies and even real estate maintenance is required, and what does it benefit on that area? they get to defend their titles and land? or their beliefs? nothing comes out good from war, it only causes endless suffering for those who are left alive, and what? it'll become a huge part of history that due to political conflicts, a  large number of lives are lost.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: abralzain17 on April 17, 2023, 07:10:02 PM
agree with what you said, war should not happen because it will affect the next generations.
As for the war that is currently happening, various major problems are arising throughout the world, apart from the unstable global economic situation due to the war. but behind the war that occurred there were also countries that had weapons manufacturers who took advantage and took advantage of the ongoing war, of course by supplying weapons to countries that were at war, therefore the benefits would be obtained by certain countries.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Fortify on April 17, 2023, 09:03:52 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


When times are good, the rich prosper, when times are bad - they make a lot more money provided they have even the most basic investment plan. As we see, military industrial companies have made a huge swing back in the last year since the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Business had died off substantially, especially with the withdrawal of forces from places like Afghanistan and military budgets falling due to the perceived stability in the world. Oil and energy companies have also profited hugely off the more restricted sources available. However there have definitely been many losers in this scenario, like any foods that rely on grains because Ukraine and Russia supplied huge amounts into the world foodchain.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on April 17, 2023, 09:53:13 PM
Talking about benefits, I would say war never brings benefits.
War always brings destruction to both sides. And if I say who benefited from this war then I would say Russia. moreover, in all other fields, all the countries of the world are facing economic crisis. I think this situation is due to the introduction of various restrictions on oil and gas.
When there happens war, each and everyone in the world suffers some sort of economic difficulty. This happens as a result of country's having dependency over each other for some needs. Apart all this the big profit makers or the benefiting one's during the war were the war equipment selling countries. When war takes place big business takes place.
Humanely, war will only make everyone miserable, especially the people. but behind the war, of course, there is a separate mission from the rulers who certainly want their goals to be achieved with sacrifices that have been calculated beforehand, so that if their goals are achieved, then they will benefit, and of course they also make cooperation with other countries to supply weapons and other equipment, for example .

Agreed, in addition, the people who experience the war especially civilians would really suffer some psychological trauma that I think would greatly affect the mental health of these people. Also, we cannot deny that when a country becomes the war zone area, the existing buildings and landscape will be damage that would just only constitute to costs when the war is over. Therefore, it is indeed that no one would have benefits from these wars.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: MiF on April 18, 2023, 06:47:15 AM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.

There is no winner in war, war is just a kind of devastation, no one benefits on it, it can make the life more miserable specially when you are in a country that involves on it. Leaders knows what's best for the country but sometimes they are also greedy, they are humans and they can also make a wrong decision and we suffers from thier mistakes. So for me always no to war if we can talk the issue in a good way.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: tjtonmoy on April 18, 2023, 10:47:46 AM
The one who provides so-called "help". In the current Russia-Ukraine war, the USA is only providing that much of the weapon which is necessary for them to keep fighting and survive. Not to win the war. Because if they offer them all the resources, they will become a trained force with advanced weapons, which is also will become a threat to NATO. They will become a deadly threat to any other country or system.
That's why most of the weapon provided by the USA is failing too. They are just providing the mostly working weapons. On the other hand, Russia is buying back the sold weapons from China.
If we connect the dots, China and USA are the ones benefitting from this kind of situation.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: GigaBit on April 18, 2023, 11:16:49 AM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.

War never brings anything good which only brings destruction. The crisis created by the war between Ukraine and Russia has made life difficult for people. There is nothing to gain by this war. Rather, people are constantly losing their lives, houses and agricultural lands are being destroyed. It has no positive site. But some are speculating that two major countries are taking advantage of this ongoing war namely China and India. Who are buying fuel from Russia in cheap price. But the people of most countries are suffering greatly. From my point of view both countries have to be flexible or this war will not end.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Ozero on April 18, 2023, 03:01:44 PM
The one who provides so-called "help". In the current Russia-Ukraine war, the USA is only providing that much of the weapon which is necessary for them to keep fighting and survive. Not to win the war. Because if they offer them all the resources, they will become a trained force with advanced weapons, which is also will become a threat to NATO. They will become a deadly threat to any other country or system.
That's why most of the weapon provided by the USA is failing too. They are just providing the mostly working weapons. On the other hand, Russia is buying back the sold weapons from China.
If we connect the dots, China and USA are the ones benefitting from this kind of situation.
In principle, we can agree with your opinion. The military assistance provided to Ukraine is untimely and insufficient. At first, Ukraine was helped only by Javelins and Stingers. This, in fact, is a light portable weapon for conducting partisan struggle in the conditions of the occupation of Ukrainian territories by Russia. Because no one, including in the United States, believed that Ukraine would be able to resist Russia for a long time.

Heavy armored vehicles began to arrive at the beginning of this year, and then in very small batches. Moreover, long-range weapons and ammunition are not provided to Ukraine so far. This indicates that the US and NATO want, most likely, to weaken Russia as much as possible militarily and economically, but not completely destroy it, through the hands of the Ukrainians. In such a situation, Ukraine will suffer great material and human losses. The situation is saved only by the courage and professionalism of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

It is also true that Ukraine received working weapons, mostly of Soviet production. But there are many objective reasons here, since the provision of weapons is late, but they are very much needed at the front. Therefore, they give what is familiar to the Ukrainian military. This is also beneficial for the countries of Europe, because instead of the old Soviet weapons they receive new NATO ones.

But Ukraine is already grateful for the assistance rendered to it. Without it, it would be very difficult to resist Russia.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Hispo on April 18, 2023, 04:02:34 PM
Talking about benefits, I would say war never brings benefits.
War always brings destruction to both sides. And if I say who benefited from this war then I would say Russia. moreover, in all other fields, all the countries of the world are facing economic crisis. I think this situation is due to the introduction of various restrictions on oil and gas.

I am not an expert but I assume there have been companies that own weapons and ammunition factories around Europe, USA or even in China which probably are having a good time since this invasion started against the Ukrainian people, after all, there are already rumors and informs from the USA-Ukranian side that they are running low in ammo which only means that manufacturers will get more money to increase their production and the owners of such factories can pocket a good money our of this situation.

They may not even be interested in the specific situation of the war, but like the extra work they are getting to do for both factions.  ::)


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: cydrix on April 18, 2023, 04:59:32 PM
The first people to profit from conflicts are the companies who make weapons or other military hardware. A nation at war will spend anything to acquire weaponry to protect their territory and win the conflict. The conflict's backers also profit because they would profit from their investment through unfair trade agreements after the war. Corrupt government officials enjoy conflict because it gives them a perfect chance to plunder the nation's riches, as was the case in Ukraine. The fact that unscrupulous Ukrainian government officials have inflated contracts to benefit themselves is public knowledge. Russia and corruption are the two battles that Ukraine is currently engaged in.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on April 18, 2023, 05:14:53 PM
Talking about benefits, I would say war never brings benefits.
War always brings destruction to both sides. And if I say who benefited from this war then I would say Russia. moreover, in all other fields, all the countries of the world are facing economic crisis. I think this situation is due to the introduction of various restrictions on oil and gas.

I am not an expert but I assume there have been companies that own weapons and ammunition factories around Europe, USA or even in China which probably are having a good time since this invasion started against the Ukrainian people, after all, there are already rumors and informs from the USA-Ukranian side that they are running low in ammo which only means that manufacturers will get more money to increase their production and the owners of such factories can pocket a good money our of this situation.

They may not even be interested in the specific situation of the war, but like the extra work they are getting to do for both factions.  ::)

The idea is absolutely correct, but there are nuances. There are two of them:
1. Conscience
2. Sanctions :)
Conscience is about what can and should be supplied to those who are weak and are under the threat of terror.
Sanctions are about the fact that not everyone who wants and can actually trade "for any side" ...

A good example is Egypt. The country has historically always been "under the supervision of the USSR / Russia." The year 2022 came, the "second army of the world" began to shamefully lose and began to beg Egypt to start producing and supplying weapons to Russia. Egypt is smart, and understands how it will all end, and then to be in the "dock" as an accomplice of international terrorism - did not want to, which is logical! And Egypt agreed to start producing weapons for..Ukraine! :) For which the people and the government of Egypt are very grateful and respected!


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: coupable on April 18, 2023, 05:30:24 PM

The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.

Do not even hope that Russia will win this war. The Russian professional army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine. Recently there was information that the army special forces of Russia have already suffered losses of 90-95 percent due to the fact that Putin wants to capture the small town of Bakhmut at all costs in order to show the Russians at least some kind of victory. Therefore, Russia threw its remnants of special forces and airborne troops to capture him, which are almost over. It will take at least ten years for Russia to restore these elite troops.

The Russian threat to use nuclear weapons after turning Belarus into a nuclear military target, and the adoption of a law punishing 25 years for deserters from military service, are all indications that Russia is going through difficult times to cope with the conflict in Ukraine, which has become certain that Russia did not expect to be involved in it in this way. .
The same signs can be seen on the economic side, since Russia is forced to sell its products at less than half the world price to cover the costs of the war. Recently, after being convinced that abandoning the European market is a real disaster without alternatives, it has chosen a partnership with Turkey to distribute its products to global markets again.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: YUriy1991 on April 18, 2023, 05:35:15 PM
Those who produce and sell weapons always benefit the most from war, because during wars the demand for weapons increases. The data show that in just one year, Ukraine consumed as much specific artillery ammunition as the US otherwise produces in even 5 years - and now, of course, production must be significantly increased in order to satisfy the demand to some extent.

Yes, that's right, arms dealers and arms manufacturers who supply arms and ammunition to warring parties, Apart from that I think some countries may benefit from the geopolitical impact of war expanding their influence or gaining access to resources but I think the benefits of war are often short lived and can outweigh the costs in the long run. Economic and human casualties of war can have lasting consequences, including political instability, social unrest, and economic disruption.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: uneng on April 18, 2023, 06:27:30 PM
Those who produce and sell weapons always benefit the most from war, because during wars the demand for weapons increases. The data show that in just one year, Ukraine consumed as much specific artillery ammunition as the US otherwise produces in even 5 years - and now, of course, production must be significantly increased in order to satisfy the demand to some extent.

Yes, that's right, arms dealers and arms manufacturers who supply arms and ammunition to warring parties, Apart from that I think some countries may benefit from the geopolitical impact of war expanding their influence or gaining access to resources but I think the benefits of war are often short lived and can outweigh the costs in the long run. Economic and human casualties of war can have lasting consequences, including political instability, social unrest, and economic disruption.
Depending the intensity and magnitude of the war there can be devastating consequences for the entire world, however, if it's just a concentrated conflict, I think some nations can be really benefited from it, as you pointed out the geopolitical impact when expading influence and having access to human and natural resources.

It's also noticiable that in war times technology advances much more expressively and specialists work with much more effort on their respective fields. Moreover, the winner takes it all, including topnotch scientists and technology from the defeated country or alliance.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: tjtonmoy on April 18, 2023, 07:27:11 PM
~Snip
To the people's eye, that's how it is. But if you dive deep into it. Only then you can find the true motive of the USA and NATO. They are helping, but in the process, they are the one getting all the benefits. This is how their politics works, and they use strategy to stay in power.
To regular people, they are helping someone in need. But their true motive is always personal gains. Don't you agree that USA possess the best technology and weapons? Are they not capable of ending this war? Then why they are not providing that and ending this? Of course they have some other personal agenda behind it.
This is how they manipulate the world and keep holding the majority of the "power". 


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Obari on April 18, 2023, 08:13:07 PM
There is no wise person on earth that will ever pray for a war to elapsed especially a successful business type because in time of war there is no peace of mind
Even if it will be of favour to the arm dealers like they said on the other hand they won't find it happily to spend there money because there is controversy everywhere which we all know will collapsed business operations and even up to transportation aspect that world will be filled with riot people living in fears let give peace and chance because war is not a choice


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: wmaurik on April 18, 2023, 08:19:58 PM
agree with what you said, war should not happen because it will affect the next generations.
As for the war that is currently happening, various major problems are arising throughout the world, apart from the unstable global economic situation due to the war. but behind the war that occurred there were also countries that had weapons manufacturers who took advantage and took advantage of the ongoing war, of course by supplying weapons to countries that were at war, therefore the benefits would be obtained by certain countries.
When a war is going on, of course, countries that often produce weapons will take advantage of the opportunity and that is a very natural thing because opportunities that can be used to gain profits, obviously, will never be ignored. But in general, war always causes bad things for the world economy because every company that frequently moves around the world will definitely be very disturbed by this.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: rhodelmabanal on April 19, 2023, 01:47:04 AM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.

If there will be a beneficiary of war it is the terrorist who always wanted a war because of thier wrong belief they are always happy to kill and to make everyone suffer or cry they are demons, but if you will say there is a country who benefit in war i think there is nothing, if you are a president in one country and you will see countryman's dying because of war even if you win on that war you will consider as a loser because of the life's that is wasted because of the war. So as long as we can avoid war lets avoid it for good, war is not a solution it is another problem to be solve.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: bittraffic on April 19, 2023, 02:00:54 AM
~Snip
To the people's eye, that's how it is. But if you dive deep into it. Only then you can find the true motive of the USA and NATO. They are helping, but in the process, they are the one getting all the benefits. This is how their politics works, and they use strategy to stay in power.
To regular people, they are helping someone in need. But their true motive is always personal gains. Don't you agree that USA possess the best technology and weapons? Are they not capable of ending this war? Then why they are not providing that and ending this? Of course they have some other personal agenda behind it.
This is how they manipulate the world and keep holding the majority of the "power". 

Both parties are justifying how they don't end the war so far. The West wants to rule the world and Russia wants the security of its sovereignty. And the West seized Russia's reserve so Russia grabs the eastern regions of Ukraine. They both are benefiting though and only Ukraine is lost by far.

This war is spilling over already and China vs Taiwan is the next as if the crisis is not enough. Taiwan is supported by the West. I get the feeling that this is all just a play that eventually China unifies Taiwan and we the people are just being played.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Ozero on April 19, 2023, 05:00:07 AM

Both parties are justifying how they don't end the war so far. The West wants to rule the world and Russia wants the security of its sovereignty. And the West seized Russia's reserve so Russia grabs the eastern regions of Ukraine. They both are benefiting though and only Ukraine is lost by far.

This war is spilling over already and China vs Taiwan is the next as if the crisis is not enough. Taiwan is supported by the West. I get the feeling that this is all just a play that eventually China unifies Taiwan and we the people are just being played.

Russia does not want security for its sovereignty, but seeks to seize the territory of Ukraine with its huge material and human resources. The fact that she attacked Ukraine because Ukraine does want to join NATO is one of the inventions of Russian propaganda in order to somehow justify the usual war of conquest in the 21st century. An example of this is Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, which have long joined NATO, which are located near the immediate border with Russia and Finland recently joined NATO, as a result of which the total length of the border with NATO members has increased by more than 1,300 kilometers. Russia does not attack these states.

The West has seized Russia's reserve, so Russia is seizing the eastern regions of Ukraine? Have you messed up the order here? Russia took over eastern parts of Ukraine back in 2014, and $300 billion of Russia's reserves in foreign banks were blocked after Russia's full-scale invasion last February.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Sithara007 on April 19, 2023, 05:37:06 AM
The West has seized Russia's reserve, so Russia is seizing the eastern regions of Ukraine? Have you messed up the order here? Russia took over eastern parts of Ukraine back in 2014, and $300 billion of Russia's reserves in foreign banks were blocked after Russia's full-scale invasion last February.

As far as I know, Russia has also seized a lot of investment from European companies inside Russia. Many large corporations have run in to billions of USD worth of losses each. Anyway, Russia has indirectly benefitted from the war. The price of LNG, thermal coal, wheat and sunflower oil went up steeply as a result of the war and Russian exporters have made large profits as a result of this. Also, the Russian Ruble has got devalued by more than 30% over the last 12 months. This has also helped the exporters to make even larger profits.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Doan9269 on April 19, 2023, 06:36:33 AM
There are many scenario of war we can take as an example and put into consideration in using them as a case study, we have the Vietnam war, Afghanistan war, world war III and even the Russia and Ukraine war which is the ongoing one currently, what has come to the the end of it is nothing than a big casualty and loss of lives, but after every successful war comes in peace and serenity, it makes things go well after the restoration of peace.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Argoo on April 19, 2023, 06:51:29 AM
The West has seized Russia's reserve, so Russia is seizing the eastern regions of Ukraine? Have you messed up the order here? Russia took over eastern parts of Ukraine back in 2014, and $300 billion of Russia's reserves in foreign banks were blocked after Russia's full-scale invasion last February.

As far as I know, Russia has also seized a lot of investment from European companies inside Russia. Many large corporations have run in to billions of USD worth of losses each. Anyway, Russia has indirectly benefitted from the war. The price of LNG, thermal coal, wheat and sunflower oil went up steeply as a result of the war and Russian exporters have made large profits as a result of this. Also, the Russian Ruble has got devalued by more than 30% over the last 12 months. This has also helped the exporters to make even larger profits.
If Russia has received any material benefit from the war it has unleashed with Ukraine, then it is temporary. Recently, I saw a figure in the news that only 9 percent of foreign enterprises withdrew their assets from Russia. Russia blackmails and threatens them in every possible way, threatening to nationalize their property if they try to leave the country. Many of the foreign enterprises are ready to take certain losses in order to leave Russia, but it is difficult to sell their property there. As a result, Russia will be recognized as an unreliable partner for doing business, and foreign business will gradually leave Russia.

Earlier, Russia refused to return several hundred civilian aircraft that were leased from other states. But they can only be operated in Russia, and their maintenance is impossible due to the lack of imported components. Therefore, there are more and more accidents and plane crashes, and Russian planes are being arrested in order to compensate for losses. After a short period of time, the Russian air fleet will be practically destroyed.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: woez on April 19, 2023, 06:57:25 PM
There are many scenario of war we can take as an example and put into consideration in using them as a case study, we have the Vietnam war, Afghanistan war, world war III and even the Russia and Ukraine war which is the ongoing one currently, what has come to the the end of it is nothing than a big casualty and loss of lives, but after every successful war comes in peace and serenity, it makes things go well after the restoration of peace.

Wars can be started for many reasons, including economic gain, political power, and territorial expansion, which may not benefit most of the people involved. While it is true that wars often end in peace and can lead to a restoration of stability, it is important to remember that the costs of war are very high. If it's finished, as you said, if not, how?


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: electronicash on April 19, 2023, 07:13:20 PM

There are many scenario of war we can take as an example and put into consideration in using them as a case study, we have the Vietnam war, Afghanistan war, world war III and even the Russia and Ukraine war which is the ongoing one currently, what has come to the the end of it is nothing than a big casualty and loss of lives, but after every successful war comes in peace and serenity, it makes things go well after the restoration of peace.

Wars can be started for many reasons, including economic gain, political power, and territorial expansion, which may not benefit most of the people involved. While it is true that wars often end in peace and can lead to a restoration of stability, it is important to remember that the costs of war are very high. If it's finished, as you said, if not, how?

so many families cried for the fathers who are not coming home yet their lives still do not matter to those who benefitted from this war. how much money is sent to Zelensky that only goes into his account who knows where he hid his BTC if he does have.

recently we are seeing some news where Zelensky is calling China for peace talks.
if there will be peace coming soon, there will be funds to be sent for the rebuilding of Ukraine. then again another question who will hold those funds because this is entirely a new government when war is over.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on April 20, 2023, 09:03:53 AM

There are many scenario of war we can take as an example and put into consideration in using them as a case study, we have the Vietnam war, Afghanistan war, world war III and even the Russia and Ukraine war which is the ongoing one currently, what has come to the the end of it is nothing than a big casualty and loss of lives, but after every successful war comes in peace and serenity, it makes things go well after the restoration of peace.

Wars can be started for many reasons, including economic gain, political power, and territorial expansion, which may not benefit most of the people involved. While it is true that wars often end in peace and can lead to a restoration of stability, it is important to remember that the costs of war are very high. If it's finished, as you said, if not, how?

so many families cried for the fathers who are not coming home yet their lives still do not matter to those who benefitted from this war. how much money is sent to Zelensky that only goes into his account who knows where he hid his BTC if he does have.

recently we are seeing some news where Zelensky is calling China for peace talks.
if there will be peace coming soon, there will be funds to be sent for the rebuilding of Ukraine. then again another question who will hold those funds because this is entirely a new government when war is over.


I beg your pardon - but you have such a strange assessment. You talk about the dead, about the beneficiaries of the situation, but not a word about who started this nightmare - about Russia, its authorities and its people, ready for the sake of painful fantasies of a pathetic copy of the Fuhrer, to go kill citizens of another country, about their morals, more precisely about its complete absence, about the sadism with which they destroy cities and the population of Ukraine... Can we start with this?

Regarding Zelensky. And maybe it's better about Putin and his gang of bloodsuckers? Who pays him money, where does he keep it, who helps him avoid sanctions? No, I am not defending Zelensky, but your rhetoric hints at the fact that you want to "turn the conversation aside" from real criminals.

Zelensky is not my choice, and I have a lot of complaints and questions about him. But accusations should not be fantasies - but proven or have an evidentiary basis. And what you write is just your fantasy.

But what I agree on is external control and external legal assistance will be needed. In my country, unfortunately, there is a high level of corruption, and power is part of it. Therefore, after the victory over rashizm, we still have a long struggle with corruption, collaborators and other problems. And here, without independent external control, it will be very difficult


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Marvell1 on April 20, 2023, 09:58:54 AM

The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.

Do not even hope that Russia will win this war. The Russian professional army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine. Recently there was information that the army special forces of Russia have already suffered losses of 90-95 percent due to the fact that Putin wants to capture the small town of Bakhmut at all costs in order to show the Russians at least some kind of victory. Therefore, Russia threw its remnants of special forces and airborne troops to capture him, which are almost over. It will take at least ten years for Russia to restore these elite troops.

The Russian threat to use nuclear weapons after turning Belarus into a nuclear military target, and the adoption of a law punishing 25 years for deserters from military service, are all indications that Russia is going through difficult times to cope with the conflict in Ukraine, which has become certain that Russia did not expect to be involved in it in this way. .
The same signs can be seen on the economic side, since Russia is forced to sell its products at less than half the world price to cover the costs of the war. Recently, after being convinced that abandoning the European market is a real disaster without alternatives, it has chosen a partnership with Turkey to distribute its products to global markets again.

As a country at war and oppressed by other countries, seeking to drive them to their destruction, Russia could not help but face some difficulties. But with the ongoing hostilities, I don't believe Russia is becoming as exhausted as you say. The war has not ended, and there is no final result, so it is difficult to say who has suffered more damage.

News in the media is largely manipulated by two parties, what we read is for reference only and should not be trusted too much. I will continue to wait for the final outcome of the battle.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Mame89 on April 20, 2023, 12:44:16 PM
I must say that no country has really benefited from war, including in conflict situations between Russia and Ukraine. The presence of foreign troops or the supply of war equipment by other countries does not mean that they are taking advantage of the conflict.

Conversely, conflict situations can undermine global political and economic stability, and can affect international trade, resource supply, and investment. Political and security crises can disrupt international trade and investment, which in turn can affect the global economy and the stability of market prices. In addition, war can also damage infrastructure and natural resources, which can affect economic sustainability and prosperity in areas involved in conflict.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: yohananaomi on April 21, 2023, 12:29:38 AM
I must say that no country has really benefited from war, including in conflict situations between Russia and Ukraine. The presence of foreign troops or the supply of war equipment by other countries does not mean that they are taking advantage of the conflict.

Conversely, conflict situations can undermine global political and economic stability, and can affect international trade, resource supply, and investment. Political and security crises can disrupt international trade and investment, which in turn can affect the global economy and the stability of market prices. In addition, war can also damage infrastructure and natural resources, which can affect economic sustainability and prosperity in areas involved in conflict.
agree, it is certain that war is everywhere and at this time Russia's intervention in Ukraine is very unprofitable for the two countries. all the losers from all the problems, especially the economic and infrastructure sector which was in ruins, the war did not win or lose, but both of them lost in the ability to be able to revive to a stable economy.

war will have an impact, there are pros and cons which actually make the war grow unstoppable, all those who help make sure there is a specific purpose, some are selling weapons etc. sincerely or with other intentions, which ultimately binds them so that they cannot escape from the grip.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Oasisman on April 21, 2023, 01:45:37 AM
The first people to profit from conflicts are the companies who make weapons or other military hardware. A nation at war will spend anything to acquire weaponry to protect their territory and win the conflict. The conflict's backers also profit because they would profit from their investment through unfair trade agreements after the war. Corrupt government officials enjoy conflict because it gives them a perfect chance to plunder the nation's riches, as was the case in Ukraine. The fact that unscrupulous Ukrainian government officials have inflated contracts to benefit themselves is public knowledge. Russia and corruption are the two battles that Ukraine is currently engaged in.


This are entirely true! I might say, the first one to benefit with these war would be the highest government officials because like what you've said, it is the perfect time to scoop out portions of the nation's budget due to the ongoing chaos. It would be easier for them to disclose a fake financial plan publicly as a defensive measures. Ammunition and military suppliers comes second and they could also be part of the corruption, they could serve as a primary outlet as to where these budgets are going to.  Then, everyone would suffer, even those people who are not part of the country under the war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: xSkylarx on April 21, 2023, 03:02:38 AM

The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.

Do not even hope that Russia will win this war. The Russian professional army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine. Recently there was information that the army special forces of Russia have already suffered losses of 90-95 percent due to the fact that Putin wants to capture the small town of Bakhmut at all costs in order to show the Russians at least some kind of victory. Therefore, Russia threw its remnants of special forces and airborne troops to capture him, which are almost over. It will take at least ten years for Russia to restore these elite troops.

The Russian threat to use nuclear weapons after turning Belarus into a nuclear military target, and the adoption of a law punishing 25 years for deserters from military service, are all indications that Russia is going through difficult times to cope with the conflict in Ukraine, which has become certain that Russia did not expect to be involved in it in this way. .
The same signs can be seen on the economic side, since Russia is forced to sell its products at less than half the world price to cover the costs of the war. Recently, after being convinced that abandoning the European market is a real disaster without alternatives, it has chosen a partnership with Turkey to distribute its products to global markets again.

As a country at war and oppressed by other countries, seeking to drive them to their destruction, Russia could not help but face some difficulties. But with the ongoing hostilities, I don't believe Russia is becoming as exhausted as you say. The war has not ended, and there is no final result, so it is difficult to say who has suffered more damage.

News in the media is largely manipulated by two parties, what we read is for reference only and should not be trusted too much. I will continue to wait for the final outcome of the battle.

Well, if it is the opposite of what the media is saying, then I would be scared as Russia is getting powerful. For sure, Russia won't stop until they already got Ukraine, and you know that they are just getting donations from all over the world; this fight is among all countries. What scares me most is the Taiwan vs. China conflict because we are near it and there is the possibility that we will get into battle when we should not be there. Only those leaders benefit from it, and the people suffer.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: BobK71 on April 21, 2023, 04:47:39 AM
Well, if it is the opposite of what the media is saying, then I would be scared as Russia is getting powerful. For sure, Russia won't stop until they already got Ukraine, and you know that they are just getting donations from all over the world; this fight is among all countries. What scares me most is the Taiwan vs. China conflict because we are near it and there is the possibility that we will get into battle when we should not be there. Only those leaders benefit from it, and the people suffer.
I think a proper solution to all these problems can be on the results of the 2024 elections in America. If the Trump administration comes to power, there will be a big change in the image of the world politics, Biden administration's different initiatives are not supported by many Americans. It is also possible that both of the leaders may change in 2024 election. But before the election we can not expect any change especially Ukraine- Russia war. This war is gradually getting more and more widespread, resulting in massive losses.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: karmamiu on April 21, 2023, 06:14:02 AM
Well, if it is the opposite of what the media is saying, then I would be scared as Russia is getting powerful. For sure, Russia won't stop until they already got Ukraine, and you know that they are just getting donations from all over the world; this fight is among all countries. What scares me most is the Taiwan vs. China conflict because we are near it and there is the possibility that we will get into battle when we should not be there. Only those leaders benefit from it, and the people suffer.
I think a proper solution to all these problems can be on the results of the 2024 elections in America. If the Trump administration comes to power, there will be a big change in the image of the world politics, Biden administration's different initiatives are not supported by many Americans. It is also possible that both of the leaders may change in 2024 election. But before the election we can not expect any change especially Ukraine- Russia war. This war is gradually getting more and more widespread, resulting in massive losses.
As they were saying that democratic relations are facades made to fool the public, while they are shaking their hands in front of everyone they are secretly stomping each other's foot. That is how I view the political relationships between different countries nowadays. Imagine those big nations spending billions of billions just to get those natural resources resorting to whatever method they could think of while neglecting millions of lives living on that country. Money is more important to them compared to manpower and lives since the more money you have the more influence you can exert in the world economy.

Still I don't agree with this non-ending squable they're getting just to get what they wanted. The future is really bleak for those living in third world countries. It feels like we are treated like rats waiting to be used as experiments. Every war history worldwide is like this as always, true to the saying "history repeats itself".


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Ozero on April 21, 2023, 12:03:33 PM
Well, if it is the opposite of what the media is saying, then I would be scared as Russia is getting powerful. For sure, Russia won't stop until they already got Ukraine, and you know that they are just getting donations from all over the world; this fight is among all countries. What scares me most is the Taiwan vs. China conflict because we are near it and there is the possibility that we will get into battle when we should not be there. Only those leaders benefit from it, and the people suffer.
I think a proper solution to all these problems can be on the results of the 2024 elections in America. If the Trump administration comes to power, there will be a big change in the image of the world politics, Biden administration's different initiatives are not supported by many Americans. It is also possible that both of the leaders may change in 2024 election. But before the election we can not expect any change especially Ukraine- Russia war. This war is gradually getting more and more widespread, resulting in massive losses.
Russia in the war against Ukraine has already lost over 185,000 of its servicemen only killed, several times more wounded, more than 24,000 various military equipment have been destroyed. International sanctions have also been putting pressure on it very well lately. At the same time, Russia cannot become stronger, this is obvious. The Russian cadre army is almost completely defeated in Ukraine. And those mobilized with old equipment will no longer save the situation. Therefore, the capture of Ukraine will remain only a dream for the Kremlin.

I think that the main hostilities in this war will end this year and Russia will lose in it. It will end in disaster for her. Therefore, the outcome of the war is unlikely to be significantly influenced by the US presidential election next year. As for Trump, after being charged with a felony, he may not even be elected as a presidential candidate.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: coupable on April 21, 2023, 01:00:56 PM

The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.

Do not even hope that Russia will win this war. The Russian professional army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine. Recently there was information that the army special forces of Russia have already suffered losses of 90-95 percent due to the fact that Putin wants to capture the small town of Bakhmut at all costs in order to show the Russians at least some kind of victory. Therefore, Russia threw its remnants of special forces and airborne troops to capture him, which are almost over. It will take at least ten years for Russia to restore these elite troops.

The Russian threat to use nuclear weapons after turning Belarus into a nuclear military target, and the adoption of a law punishing 25 years for deserters from military service, are all indications that Russia is going through difficult times to cope with the conflict in Ukraine, which has become certain that Russia did not expect to be involved in it in this way. .
The same signs can be seen on the economic side, since Russia is forced to sell its products at less than half the world price to cover the costs of the war. Recently, after being convinced that abandoning the European market is a real disaster without alternatives, it has chosen a partnership with Turkey to distribute its products to global markets again.

As a country at war and oppressed by other countries, seeking to drive them to their destruction, Russia could not help but face some difficulties. But with the ongoing hostilities, I don't believe Russia is becoming as exhausted as you say. The war has not ended, and there is no final result, so it is difficult to say who has suffered more damage.

News in the media is largely manipulated by two parties, what we read is for reference only and should not be trusted too much. I will continue to wait for the final outcome of the battle.
Both sides will try to use the media to promote their interests. I cannot admit that everything broadcast by the media should not be believed, since most of them are biased in one way or another to one of the two parties to the conflict, given that the largest media platforms are located in the Western countries allied to Ukraine. Russia, in turn, is trying to use the media to promote itself as an important military power in the world, while emphasizing that its mission in Ukraine is "humanitarian." There are a few media platforms that publish the news with the greatest degree of impartiality, but unfortunately they are not available to everyone, since they are small platforms or published in a local language that not everyone understands. I have been following news on one of the sites from an African country for some time, using machine translation, and I can say that it is fair in conveying international news from its sources without trying to influence the viewer.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Marvell1 on April 21, 2023, 03:35:47 PM
What scares me most is the Taiwan vs. China conflict because we are near it and there is the possibility that we will get into battle when we should not be there. Only those leaders benefit from it, and the people suffer.

I haven't thought about the Taiwan and China issue because I don't think it will happen even though news about them is regularly published in the media. Because in my opinion, it is not in their favor for China to join the war right now because their goal is not only to unify Taiwan, but they also want to become the number one power in the world. So getting into war at this point is not entirely in their favor. China is not like Russia, they are more greedy and want more things.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: wmaurik on April 21, 2023, 03:44:48 PM
I must say that no country has really benefited from war, including in conflict situations between Russia and Ukraine. The presence of foreign troops or the supply of war equipment by other countries does not mean that they are taking advantage of the conflict.
It could be that there are benefits, it's just that maybe not everyone knows from which direction the country can benefit after supplying war equipment. But in general it is difficult to gain any advantage in a conflict situation because the better advantage is always in a peaceful condition and it is definitely not when the country is at war.

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Conversely, conflict situations can undermine global political and economic stability, and can affect international trade, resource supply, and investment. Political and security crises can disrupt international trade and investment, which in turn can affect the global economy and the stability of market prices. In addition, war can also damage infrastructure and natural resources, which can affect economic sustainability and prosperity in areas involved in conflict.
Conditions of conflict are indeed not good conditions so that any damage will always exist and will also affect conditions of political, economic and educational stability because these three factors can only run more stably in peaceful conditions. And apart from that, what you say is also true because war can trigger damage to infrastructure and natural resources that are often used by citizens to earn a living. So it is clear that nothing good can be expected when the country is experiencing war conflict.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Ozero on April 22, 2023, 07:08:39 AM

Both sides will try to use the media to promote their interests. I cannot admit that everything broadcast by the media should not be believed, since most of them are biased in one way or another to one of the two parties to the conflict, given that the largest media platforms are located in the Western countries allied to Ukraine. Russia, in turn, is trying to use the media to promote itself as an important military power in the world, while emphasizing that its mission in Ukraine is "humanitarian." There are a few media platforms that publish the news with the greatest degree of impartiality, but unfortunately they are not available to everyone, since they are small platforms or published in a local language that not everyone understands. I have been following news on one of the sites from an African country for some time, using machine translation, and I can say that it is fair in conveying international news from its sources without trying to influence the viewer.
I have heard all sorts of nonsense that the Kremlin speaks about the goals of their military invasion of Ukraine. However, Putin and his entourage have not yet heard of the seizure of foreign territory as a "humanitarian" mission. Putin unleashed a classic war of conquest in Ukraine. This is clearly and obviously visible, therefore there are constantly, even in the second year of the war, the goals of this war are changing. This is also facilitated by the military defeat of the Russian troops in Ukraine, and Putin has to twist and invent new goals, why he climbed into Ukraine, so that in case of a complete failure he would somehow explain that the set goals were achieved.

After a significant part of the civilian population of the occupied territories of Ukraine was destroyed during the "liberation", and the civilian infrastructure and housing stock in many cases were destroyed by 90 percent, Russia will certainly have to carry out a humanitarian mission in the occupied territories and invest large amounts of subsidies in them so that the situation does not turn out to be absolutely catastrophic.

The maintenance of the Ukrainian regions captured by Russia will cost the Russian budget 410.7 billion rubles. Russia will allocate this amount for subsidies to the occupied territories of Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions in 2023. Subsidies will amount to almost 90% of the total income of the annexed Ukrainian territories. It is they who will receive the largest share of subsidies from the Russian budget - even more than Ingushetia (82%), Chechnya (about 80%) and Tyva (about 79%).

Moreover, the so-called DPR will become the most subsidized region in Russia - if the total income of the occupied Ukrainian region is 196.4 billion rubles, then 171.1 billion rubles will be subsidies. 162 billion rubles will be allocated to Crimea annexed in 2014. The revenues of the budget of the so-called LPR for the year will amount to 134.6 billion rubles, of which 113.3 billion rubles are subsidies. The total income of the occupied part

In percentage terms, the largest subsidies will be required for the captured regions of Zaporozhye and Kherson regions. The budget of the Zaporozhye region will amount to 68.5 billion rubles, and 65.2 of them will come from the federal budget. And 61 billion will be financed by the Kherson region, the budget of which will be 61.8 billion rubles.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Latviand on April 22, 2023, 07:22:11 AM
The winner would be the CEO of those companies that supply weapons, maybe the country that is supporting from behind the scenes will have their interests taken care of during and after the war. Imo these two are the only real winners in war, the best example to visualize the real beneficiary of war is probably the main antagonist in Far Cry 2, the Jackal a war profiteer.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: yohananaomi on April 22, 2023, 10:34:27 PM
What scares me most is the Taiwan vs. China conflict because we are near it and there is the possibility that we will get into battle when we should not be there. Only those leaders benefit from it, and the people suffer.

I haven't thought about the Taiwan and China issue because I don't think it will happen even though news about them is regularly published in the media. Because in my opinion, it is not in their favor for China to join the war right now because their goal is not only to unify Taiwan, but they also want to become the number one power in the world. So getting into war at this point is not entirely in their favor. China is not like Russia, they are more greedy and want more things.
The problem between China and Taiwan seems to have been going on for a long time, since 1949 when it decided not to join China. if indeed China wants to immediately control Taiwan it can be ascertained that it will do so from the beginning of the secession but it is not carried out and only ceremonially that it will do so at every opportunity when Taiwan continues to be in touch with the USA, after that nothing will happen.
so I assume that China has no intention at all to intervene in Taiwan because of something that is difficult to disclose.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: gaston castano on April 23, 2023, 02:14:32 PM
What benefits from the war are the victorious countries and their allies, while the losses from the war are larger in scale than the gains.
that is why the entire world economy will be affected by the war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: posi on April 23, 2023, 03:09:03 PM
What benefits from the war are the victorious countries and their allies, while the losses from the war are larger in scale than the gains.
that is why the entire world economy will be affected by the war.

Of course, the country that wins will benefit because they have achieved their goal. But the winners are not the ones who benefit the most because once the war happens, it does some damage to the country. Meanwhile, many countries do not directly participate in the war but always provoke, find ways to prolong the war, and sell weapons. Those are the biggest beneficiaries of the war.

The world economy is affected by the war, but not everyone will be affected, many politicians benefit from many things, and only the people bear the burden, but they will not care about us.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: mvdheuvel1983 on April 23, 2023, 03:43:20 PM
People who benefit from war are not the parties fighting but those who seem to be on the sidelines but are behind fuelling the conflict through whatever means.

We do not always know who these people behind the scenes are but we know that they are powerful people from developed countries that have to score a point with war regarding defense budget, neocolonialism, resources exploitation etc.

And these people are everywhere whether in war between countries (Russia vs Ukraine) or among countries (for example what is going on in Sudan right now)


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: molsewid on April 23, 2023, 08:56:12 PM
People who benefit from war are not the parties fighting but those who seem to be on the sidelines but are behind fuelling the conflict through whatever means.

We do not always know who these people behind the scenes are but we know that they are powerful people from developed countries that have to score a point with war regarding defense budget, neocolonialism, resources exploitation etc.

And these people are everywhere whether in war between countries (Russia vs Ukraine) or among countries (for example what is going on in Sudan right now)
The people who are just benefiting from the wars are not citizens but the government and their businesses. Citizens are the victim in every war, imagine we people pay taxes for us to comply to government, and for us to have security. But sometimes, these government are the ones who give us the war that we don't need. There are some business behind this waf and benefitting with it, some are from pharmaceutical and some are the distributor of the weapons.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on April 24, 2023, 07:13:39 AM
One of the "accidental" beneficiaries turned out to be ... INDIA :)
See what an interesting situation turns out:
India bought, well, when they did not yet understand that this was fake air defense, C400 complexes from Russia. The contract amount was close to $3 billion. Russia shipped $2 billion worth of "unparalleled" fake data to India. And then .. sanctions came.

India is a law-abiding country, and international agreements for India are agreements, India sticks to its word.

But the sanctions say that a terrorist country cannot be paid in dollars. Well, in general, as a terrorist country, it wanted to, when it squealed that the EU would buy gas and oil only for rubles, well, you remember this humoresque! :)

India says - "we have an agreement with Russia, there are sanctions. We are in the BRICS - let's pay you $ 2 billion, only in rupees?" :) Russia has already sold oil for rupees, and now does not know what to do with them, so she said - "No, India, we are a great country, and please let us have American dollars, which no one needs, uuu! Well, please, give us dollars, they we need it very very very badly! Give give give give!" :)

And India says - "no, there are obligations to you and to the normal world, but we recognize the debt and will pay - either rupees, or we are waiting for the lifting of sanctions! :)))

Understand how beautiful it turns out!? And it's good for India! It turns out ... India is an interested country .. And this means!? .... :)


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: wmaurik on April 25, 2023, 11:55:01 PM
What benefits from the war are the victorious countries and their allies, while the losses from the war are larger in scale than the gains.
that is why the entire world economy will be affected by the war.

Winning a war in general is indeed an advantage, but I would not see it as an advantage because a country that wins a war also suffers a lot of damage in its infrastructure sector even though not all of it is damaged, but the country that wins the war also has to make some improvements which require they pay for it.

So those who win actually don't benefit either and in my opinion the most profitable in these conditions are journalists who always get the latest news and who are able to make the latest news based on facts that occur because war content is usually very much interested in reading it.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Marvell1 on April 27, 2023, 12:37:19 PM
What scares me most is the Taiwan vs. China conflict because we are near it and there is the possibility that we will get into battle when we should not be there. Only those leaders benefit from it, and the people suffer.

I haven't thought about the Taiwan and China issue because I don't think it will happen even though news about them is regularly published in the media. Because in my opinion, it is not in their favor for China to join the war right now because their goal is not only to unify Taiwan, but they also want to become the number one power in the world. So getting into war at this point is not entirely in their favor. China is not like Russia, they are more greedy and want more things.
The problem between China and Taiwan seems to have been going on for a long time, since 1949 when it decided not to join China. if indeed China wants to immediately control Taiwan it can be ascertained that it will do so from the beginning of the secession but it is not carried out and only ceremonially that it will do so at every opportunity when Taiwan continues to be in touch with the USA, after that nothing will happen.
so I assume that China has no intention at all to intervene in Taiwan because of something that is difficult to disclose.

There are many implicit treaties between nations, and we don't know about them. In my view, China will still seek to take back Taiwan but not now or in the near future. In my opinion, China's immediate goal is still to surpass the US to become the world's number one power and continue to move closer to Russia to strengthen its military power. Once they have claimed the world's No. 1 position, taking back Taiwan will be much quicker and less expensive. Taiwan is still their target, but not a priority. The expansion or encroachment of small countries is what big countries always want, IMO.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on May 02, 2023, 06:48:37 AM
What scares me most is the Taiwan vs. China conflict because we are near it and there is the possibility that we will get into battle when we should not be there. Only those leaders benefit from it, and the people suffer.

I haven't thought about the Taiwan and China issue because I don't think it will happen even though news about them is regularly published in the media. Because in my opinion, it is not in their favor for China to join the war right now because their goal is not only to unify Taiwan, but they also want to become the number one power in the world. So getting into war at this point is not entirely in their favor. China is not like Russia, they are more greedy and want more things.
The problem between China and Taiwan seems to have been going on for a long time, since 1949 when it decided not to join China. if indeed China wants to immediately control Taiwan it can be ascertained that it will do so from the beginning of the secession but it is not carried out and only ceremonially that it will do so at every opportunity when Taiwan continues to be in touch with the USA, after that nothing will happen.
so I assume that China has no intention at all to intervene in Taiwan because of something that is difficult to disclose.

There are many implicit treaties between nations, and we don't know about them. In my view, China will still seek to take back Taiwan but not now or in the near future. In my opinion, China's immediate goal is still to surpass the US to become the world's number one power and continue to move closer to Russia to strengthen its military power. Once they have claimed the world's No. 1 position, taking back Taiwan will be much quicker and less expensive. Taiwan is still their target, but not a priority. The expansion or encroachment of small countries is what big countries always want, IMO.

Whether I like it or not, the fact is that China, in the current situation, INSIDE THE COUNTRY, really needs demonstrative "great victories" to "distract attention" from those problems that now and in the future exist in the economy and social tensions, China .
After choosing a new vector for China (this is some mixture of socialism, imperial ambitions, totalitarianism), it will be difficult to explain such a turn, to the inhabitants of the "Celestial Empire" why yesterday there were freedoms and tomorrow they are gone. They need to present something in the form of a gift and a resounding victory. According to the plans - it should have been Taiwan. But this should have been after "a quick and crushing victory for Russia, with the capture of Ukraine, and the shock and silence of the West." Russia is now acting as a "guinea pig" for China. But everything went wrong, Russia lost the war to the West, rallied the West, and showed that the aggressor would be severely punished. What broke all the plans of China and its government. Now, I do not rule out that a possible object of "victory" will be ... The territory of Russia, which China will have at its disposal. Not without reason, before the visit of the Chinese leader to Moscow, new maps were printed in China, where the vast territories of Russia are marked with historical Chinese names, and described as "historical territories of China." Moreover, today Russia has degraded economically, morally and in terms of military power, and it needs a "powerful master", which China can very well become. A sort of patron, and owner of part of the land ...

PS But I will add - Taiwan was needed not only as a "moral victory", but also as the most high-tech platform in the world. And as part of the current trend of Western technology leaving China, high-tech production is vital for China ... Well, either slowly watch how China again slides into the last century, becoming a huge third world agrarian country.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Andrija Branislav on May 02, 2023, 03:42:50 PM
What benefits from the war are the victorious countries and their allies, while the losses from the war are larger in scale than the gains.
that is why the entire world economy will be affected by the war.

Winning a war in general is indeed an advantage, but I would not see it as an advantage because a country that wins a war also suffers a lot of damage in its infrastructure sector even though not all of it is damaged, but the country that wins the war also has to make some improvements which require they pay for it.

So those who win actually don't benefit either and in my opinion the most profitable in these conditions are journalists who always get the latest news and who are able to make the latest news based on facts that occur because war content is usually very much interested in reading it.

Yes, That's right  ;D ;D ;D. The other  Items  than the Journalist's trade may be one of the ones that benefit from being able to cover the latest news and developments. this is especially relevant because the Public often has a keen interest in war-related content, making it profitable for journalists to report on it. To me War is a lose-lose situation, and the impact on the world economy can be significant.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Smartprofit on May 02, 2023, 04:05:12 PM
China is a very closed country, we know very little about the intentions of the leaders of the Chinese Communist Party...

Are the Chinese really planning to take over Taiwan?  Or do they have some alternative plans for the development of Chinese microelectronics (including military developments)?  We do not know.  Until recently, China pursued a very balanced foreign policy. 

However, with the coming to power of Xi Jinping, the Chinese Communist Party has moved from collective management to an authoritarian management model. 

Will this lead to a more aggressive Chinese foreign policy?  Will China go to war?  These questions are difficult to answer unambiguously. 

But it is possible.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: wmaurik on May 05, 2023, 02:05:59 PM
Yes, That's right  ;D ;D ;D. The other  Items  than the Journalist's trade may be one of the ones that benefit from being able to cover the latest news and developments. this is especially relevant because the Public often has a keen interest in war-related content, making it profitable for journalists to report on it. To me War is a lose-lose situation, and the impact on the world economy can be significant.

And only those who have lost a war can truly feel how it impacts the economy. As for the news reporter who has been in the war area very often and often takes news from every incident, perhaps they will not feel a bad economic impact because they make money through the news coverage they present to the public.

But if we draw general conclusions, in fact every country that is at war is equally experiencing its own losses, even though one side is winning, the costs that have been incurred by the countries to win the war are also not small. So that those who won the war must also be considered a loss through costs and the destruction of the places they have, because when the state begins to repair the destroyed places, of course the state must also pour fresh funds into this matter.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on May 07, 2023, 07:23:35 AM
China is a very closed country, we know very little about the intentions of the leaders of the Chinese Communist Party...
Are the Chinese really planning to take over Taiwan? Or do they have some alternative plans for the development of Chinese microelectronics (including military developments)? We don't know. Until recently, China pursued a very balanced foreign policy.
However, with the coming to power of Xi Jinping, the Chinese Communist Party has moved from collective management to an authoritarian management model.
Will this lead to a more aggressive Chinese foreign policy? Will China go to war? These questions are difficult to answer unambiguously.
But it is possible.

China, like any empire (namely, China is trying to become an empire), there always comes a moment of "hard times." These are times when the internal population begins to ask uncomfortable questions, and distrust of the authorities appears. Anything can be a trigger for this - a bad economic situation, a drop in living standards, failure to fulfill promises ... And what can be done to "smooth out" tension? That's right - a classic set: "external enemy", "internal enemy", "small victorious war". Well, or do you think the rulers of empires will CORRECT THEIR MISTAKES and begin to save the economy, raise the standard of living of people, urgently fulfill their promises? :)


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Ozero on July 04, 2023, 07:27:26 PM
I personally judged it from the war between the two countries, Russia. Even though it was battered by many European sanctions, Russia was still able to reduce the inflation rate for 7 months in a row. This means that Russia also benefits. Then America is the most profitable from the sale of weapons and energy sources to Europe. The biggest loser is Ukraine. Really have to cry, drenched in blood and crying blood.
Russia is bad because it has been fighting Ukraine, but the US and its Alliance are in fact much worse because in all aspects they are very selfish.
Putin's Russia wanted to capture Ukraine with its huge human, economic and industrial resources in a few days and then, using them, direct its aggression against the Baltic countries and Europe. Of no small importance was the Kremlin's desire to appropriate the history of Ukraine's development as Russia's own history. After all, the history of the formation of Ukraine dates back to the 9th century, when Kievan Rus, one of the most powerful states in Europe, was born and grew stronger. And the history of present-day Russia is only a few centuries old and there is nothing special to brag about.

But Russia will definitely be a big loser after the end of its attack on Ukraine, if, of course, it survives as a single state at all. Ukraine has no other choice but to defend itself against the military aggression of its neighbor. But after the war, Ukraine will still receive financial and material assistance from the United States and European countries. In addition, the world powers are able to force the defeated Russia to pay reparations for the damage suffered by Ukraine from the war. This can completely renew Ukraine and make it even better than it was before this war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on July 04, 2023, 08:11:55 PM
I personally judged it from the war between the two countries, Russia. Even though it was battered by many European sanctions, Russia was still able to reduce the inflation rate for 7 months in a row. This means that Russia also benefits. Then America is the most profitable from the sale of weapons and energy sources to Europe. The biggest loser is Ukraine. Really have to cry, drenched in blood and crying blood.
Russia is bad because it has been fighting Ukraine, but the US and its Alliance are in fact much worse because in all aspects they are very selfish.
Putin's Russia wanted to capture Ukraine with its huge human, economic and industrial resources in a few days and then, using them, direct its aggression against the Baltic countries and Europe. Of no small importance was the Kremlin's desire to appropriate the history of Ukraine's development as Russia's own history. After all, the history of the formation of Ukraine dates back to the 9th century, when Kievan Rus, one of the most powerful states in Europe, was born and grew stronger. And the history of present-day Russia is only a few centuries old and there is nothing special to brag about.

But Russia will definitely be a big loser after the end of its attack on Ukraine, if, of course, it survives as a single state at all. Ukraine has no other choice but to defend itself against the military aggression of its neighbor. But after the war, Ukraine will still receive financial and material assistance from the United States and European countries. In addition, the world powers are able to force the defeated Russia to pay reparations for the damage suffered by Ukraine from the war. This can completely renew Ukraine and make it even better than it was before this war.

It is very nice to hear a sober assessment of the situation.

The only thing I would add is that there is an idea that modern Russia, if it loses this war, which is only a matter of time, will turn into a kind of giant North Korea. A totally isolated, militarized, backward, degraded country and nation. I will say this is an optimistic scenario :)
The problem is that modern Russia (a legacy of the USSR) is a forcibly "united" structure. Where many regions were forcibly, through wars, destruction, driven into slavery to the Kremlin, to provide and maintain it. But the populations of these regions have not been reduced to the condition in which the population of North Korea is. The population of Russia, in the "golden noughties" (2000+, when oil and gas prices began their wild rise), had the opportunity to earn money, travel the world, and live rich and well. Not all, but a noticeable part of Russia. And as history has shown - only Russia began the second phase of the war against Ukraine - quite a large part of the "middle class" and the most productive, but not tainted with ties to the criminal regime - fled the country. And many stayed. And they don't want to go back to either the USSR or North Korea. All the more so inside russia there are many "frozen" conflicts, great discontent with the "central government" and the absolutely unfair distribution of resources. If the economy collapses, which is already happening, and the authorities are impotent (Prigozhin's demarche showed this), "centrifugal forces" and discontent in the "outskirts of Russia" will grow. In the end, this will lead to the "rupture" of this artificially created country. Bottom line: the collapse of Russia into several (most likely about 10+) independent republics is what we will see in the next few years. No, it's not 2024, it will most likely take 3 to 10 years.

So the Kremlin's project, which according to their plans was supposed to be a benefit (strengthening and building an empire), will lead to their destruction and disintegration


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Argoo on July 26, 2023, 06:43:31 PM
War has always been beneficial to the military-industrial complex of all countries, especially if these countries are not involved in a military conflict. During armed conflicts, large and small wars, the demand and prices for weapons increase, especially effective for waging war in specific conditions and time frames. But countries that are directly at war always lose. After all, war destroys human and material resources, which then cannot be covered by any profit from the sale of these weapons and military equipment.

In the current war against Ukraine, Russia counted on an easy and quick victory. If the Kremlin knew how the attack on Ukraine would turn out for them, they would not have made such a mistake, which became fatal for Russia.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: CryptoHeadlineNews on July 26, 2023, 07:13:40 PM
The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.

For me, I simply don't think any nation is benefiting from this Russia/Ukrain war that have lasted over a year now, but all countries who depended on Russia's most exported products will be having shortage of products, which petrol/fuel was one of Russia most exported products all around the world, including others such as fertilizers, aluminum, copper, cereals, inorganic chemicals and precious metals. Which whatever country depended on any of those products will surely be in shortage.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: serveria.com on July 26, 2023, 07:53:15 PM
I personally judged it from the war between the two countries, Russia. Even though it was battered by many European sanctions, Russia was still able to reduce the inflation rate for 7 months in a row. This means that Russia also benefits. Then America is the most profitable from the sale of weapons and energy sources to Europe. The biggest loser is Ukraine. Really have to cry, drenched in blood and crying blood.
Russia is bad because it has been fighting Ukraine, but the US and its Alliance are in fact much worse because in all aspects they are very selfish.
Putin's Russia wanted to capture Ukraine with its huge human, economic and industrial resources in a few days and then, using them, direct its aggression against the Baltic countries and Europe. Of no small importance was the Kremlin's desire to appropriate the history of Ukraine's development as Russia's own history. After all, the history of the formation of Ukraine dates back to the 9th century, when Kievan Rus, one of the most powerful states in Europe, was born and grew stronger. And the history of present-day Russia is only a few centuries old and there is nothing special to brag about.

But Russia will definitely be a big loser after the end of its attack on Ukraine, if, of course, it survives as a single state at all. Ukraine has no other choice but to defend itself against the military aggression of its neighbor. But after the war, Ukraine will still receive financial and material assistance from the United States and European countries. In addition, the world powers are able to force the defeated Russia to pay reparations for the damage suffered by Ukraine from the war. This can completely renew Ukraine and make it even better than it was before this war.

Another big fat chunk of propaganda! I hope you're at least being paid.  ;D

What makes you think Russia wants to capture or annex Ukraine? Was it mentioned somewhere? Did Putin say this? If not, what are your sources then? SOMA (Straight Outta My Ass)?

Why do you think Russia wants to confront NATO by attacking the Baltic states and Europe? Did Russia claim that?

Your statement about Russia losing the war is just laughable. Just to remind you, nuclear superpowers can't lose in a military conflict.  ;)


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Wend on July 26, 2023, 11:55:56 PM
I personally judged it from the war between the two countries, Russia. Even though it was battered by many European sanctions, Russia was still able to reduce the inflation rate for 7 months in a row. This means that Russia also benefits. Then America is the most profitable from the sale of weapons and energy sources to Europe. The biggest loser is Ukraine. Really have to cry, drenched in blood and crying blood.
Russia is bad because it has been fighting Ukraine, but the US and its Alliance are in fact much worse because in all aspects they are very selfish.
Putin's Russia wanted to capture Ukraine with its huge human, economic and industrial resources in a few days and then, using them, direct its aggression against the Baltic countries and Europe. Of no small importance was the Kremlin's desire to appropriate the history of Ukraine's development as Russia's own history. After all, the history of the formation of Ukraine dates back to the 9th century, when Kievan Rus, one of the most powerful states in Europe, was born and grew stronger. And the history of present-day Russia is only a few centuries old and there is nothing special to brag about.

But Russia will definitely be a big loser after the end of its attack on Ukraine, if, of course, it survives as a single state at all. Ukraine has no other choice but to defend itself against the military aggression of its neighbor. But after the war, Ukraine will still receive financial and material assistance from the United States and European countries. In addition, the world powers are able to force the defeated Russia to pay reparations for the damage suffered by Ukraine from the war. This can completely renew Ukraine and make it even better than it was before this war.

Another big fat chunk of propaganda! I hope you're at least being paid.  ;D

What makes you think Russia wants to capture or annex Ukraine? Was it mentioned somewhere? Did Putin say this? If not, what are your sources then? SOMA (Straight Outta My Ass)?

Why do you think Russia wants to confront NATO by attacking the Baltic states and Europe? Did Russia claim that?

Your statement about Russia losing the war is just laughable. Just to remind you, nuclear superpowers can't lose in a military conflict.  ;)

I think if Ukraine had not stubbornly joined Nato, there would have been no conflict, but many people still insist that Russia is trying to occupy and annex Ukraine. War has never been beneficial to any country as it will stifle their economic development. Only countries that specialize in exporting weapons and making money from the sale of military weapons want war, but they will never directly go to war.
I agree, the possibility that a leading nuclear power in the world loses in a small war like this is very unlikely, sounds like a myth.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Popkon6 on July 27, 2023, 12:45:09 AM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


The biggest beneficiary of the war between Russia and Ukraine is the United States. Because during this war, they are trading arms and giving loans to the economic crisis of the country due to the war between the two countries. Thus the amount of debt to the country is fixed and the import and export of the country is disturbed. Especially the countries of the Middle East are under the most threat of economic crisis because the country is struggling in the crisis in oil, gas, coal and many others. Due to this dire situation in the current country, can the United States be filed and in this case China is involved. More and more countries are benefiting in different contexts.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: CryptoBuds on July 27, 2023, 01:25:13 AM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


The biggest beneficiary of the war between Russia and Ukraine is the United States. Because during this war, they are trading arms and giving loans to the economic crisis of the country due to the war between the two countries. Thus the amount of debt to the country is fixed and the import and export of the country is disturbed. Especially the countries of the Middle East are under the most threat of economic crisis because the country is struggling in the crisis in oil, gas, coal and many others. Due to this dire situation in the current country, can the United States be filed and in this case China is involved. More and more countries are benefiting in different contexts.


You have been very straightforward in naming the country that benefits the most as the US but many people will think what you say is a fabrication, and they will believe that Russia is the country that started the war, so they are the ones who benefit the most. People who are not Americans, but support the US government will object to your statement.

The war has lasted 2 years, the US and its allies are still aggressively supplying weapons to Ukraine. It shows that they do not want the war to be stopped soon by one arrow hitting two targets, which can both push Russia into a long-term war and take advantage of the opportunity to sell weapons to other countries. The US was the biggest beneficiary of the war, but many people still blindly defended it.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Promocodeudo on July 27, 2023, 07:55:43 AM
War is never a good idea for conflicting countries, dialogue is always the best means for actualizing lasting peace between two nations that are in disagreement.

When there is war, the manufacturers of weapons benefit more, because they see it as an opportunity to either sell their weapons or test-run their new weapons in other to know the actual capacity and function of such weapons, in case of future use.

Mercenaries also benefit, as the case may be, either of these countries hires their services in the end they get paid for it, it doesn't matter if they will win or not, whichever way they will get their payment because of the existing agreement.

Note there might be a winner, but the question is, the nation we perceived as the winner was there no casualties recorded by them?
To me, when there is a war between two countries, I don't see any victory of any kind, because in most cases both countries record high casualties and infrastructural damage. Rebuilding and rehabilitating this country involved, takes a lot of time, in some cases, there may not be rebuilding and even though there is, are they going to rebuild the dead ones, the answer is no.

Say no to war, dialogue remains the best option for the resolution of conflict.
 


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: ancafe on July 27, 2023, 08:52:09 AM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
War will cause big wounds to society and war will also kill the economic growth sector, so there are many negative sides to the war that occurs. Everyone does not want this to happen because civil society will continue to be victims, children will lose their chance to live a decent life and they will not be able to go to school. Older people who have responsibility for their families lost their jobs because of the war. Any sector is in suspended animation and cannot run amid conditions of war, thus making the country even more difficult and in the end the war never ends and vice versa will lead to prolonged conflict.

Countries that produce weapons or tools for war will always benefit and they never care about the fate of people affected by war. On the other hand, those who produce medical supplies and will distribute them to warring areas, so that other benefits cannot be separated from political interests and the interests of certain countries.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: dothebeats on July 27, 2023, 09:34:41 AM
War is never a good idea for conflicting countries, dialogue is always the best means for actualizing lasting peace between two nations that are in disagreement.

When there is war, the manufacturers of weapons benefit more, because they see it as an opportunity to either sell their weapons or test-run their new weapons in other to know the actual capacity and function of such weapons, in case of future use.

Mercenaries also benefit, as the case may be, either of these countries hires their services in the end they get paid for it, it doesn't matter if they will win or not, whichever way they will get their payment because of the existing agreement.

Note there might be a winner, but the question is, the nation we perceived as the winner was there no casualties recorded by them?
To me, when there is a war between two countries, I don't see any victory of any kind, because in most cases both countries record high casualties and infrastructural damage. Rebuilding and rehabilitating this country involved, takes a lot of time, in some cases, there may not be rebuilding and even though there is, are they going to rebuild the dead ones, the answer is no.

Say no to war, dialogue remains the best option for the resolution of conflict.
 

You made great points here. Those who will "benefit" from war will only live thru their attained benefits temporarily. Soon enough they will also feel the consequences of the war, which will surely last for so long. Not only that but it is something that will constantly visit them as people will keep on looking back on the happenings of the war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Victan22 on July 27, 2023, 10:02:16 AM
 There's this popular slants that says one man's food is another man's poison.so for the man who benefits from the poison, he will continually wish for more poison to be served for him to benefit.
  To this end it is obvious that some countries In the west and other parts of the globe are benefiting direct or indirect as a result of war among nations. Some countries aid warring nations in arms and other amenities instead of engaging both warring nations in peace talk.
Notably, the Ukraine and Russia war is another means through which some countries has identified an economic opportunity therefore choose to exploit it.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on July 27, 2023, 10:42:03 AM
War is never a good idea for conflicting countries, dialogue is always the best means for actualizing lasting peace between two nations that are in disagreement.

When there is war, the manufacturers of weapons benefit more, because they see it as an opportunity to either sell their weapons or test-run their new weapons in other to know the actual capacity and function of such weapons, in case of future use.

Mercenaries also benefit, as the case may be, either of these countries hires their services in the end they get paid for it, it doesn't matter if they will win or not, whichever way they will get their payment because of the existing agreement.

Note there might be a winner, but the question is, the nation we perceived as the winner was there no casualties recorded by them?
To me, when there is a war between two countries, I don't see any victory of any kind, because in most cases both countries record high casualties and infrastructural damage. Rebuilding and rehabilitating this country involved, takes a lot of time, in some cases, there may not be rebuilding and even though there is, are they going to rebuild the dead ones, the answer is no.

Say no to war, dialogue remains the best option for the resolution of conflict.
 


As a resident of Ukraine who has directly experienced everything since 2014, I will say one thing: when a crazy, inhibited, homicidal maniac aims to rob and kill you, and has prepared everything necessary for this, plus a bunch of stupid and embittered executors - to "talk" is only to prolong the agony. History knows one rule - if the aggressor is not resisted and destroyed, you will lose. Ukraine has no other option but to WIN. I hope the world has also realized that it has no options to live in peace as long as there is such a terrorist entity on the planet earth, and it must be defeated and destroyed.
I will also bring such an interesting historical observation - as soon as the USSR/Russia had real difficulties and they slipped into another bottom, the number of terrorist, active, groups, and all kinds of terrorist events - fell sharply ALL OVER THE WORLD! In this statistics you can easily see for yourself.
And I hope the cause and effect are quite clear ?
The USSR was given a chance and saved in the second world war. In the hope that the USSR would become an adequate world leader. But they were wrong... Even earlier the USSR and Muscovy were saved from starvation and riots by the West...Hoping that the USSR/Moscow would be adequate partners...They were wrong. I don't think the world wants to be wrong again.

Speaking of benefits. There is one quite proven and logical, economic "justification" for a terrorist country to attack Ukraine. In 2006-2012, the largest shale gas deposits in Europe were discovered and explored on the territory of Lugansk and Donetsk regions ! If you search history, you will be surprised that from about 2008-2010, the Kremlin started pouring huge amounts of money into the propaganda "shale gas is an earth killer". Although, if you go deeper into the issue, you will also find out that Russia produces a lot of hydrocarbons using this technology, and no problems :)
After the propaganda failed and Western production companies actually came to the finish line, to sign contracts for the beginning of production, came 2013/2014. As you will notice, it is the areas where the main shale gas deposits are located that are temporarily occupied by Russia. And here the "economic benefit of Russia" in this war is quite clear - to prevent Ukraine from producing and selling gas to the EU, especially since Ukraine has a well-developed gas network (gas pipelines, storage facilities), while Russia does not have it and moreover would get a competitor.
But now all the "benefit of russia" has turned into the collapse of the economy, impoverishment of the population, and the status of a pariah country


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: wmaurik on July 28, 2023, 12:06:06 PM
You made great points here. Those who will "benefit" from war will only live thru their attained benefits temporarily. Soon enough they will also feel the consequences of the war, which will surely last for so long. Not only that but it is something that will constantly visit them as people will keep on looking back on the happenings of the war.
And those who often take advantage of a war will also continue to be highlighted by the media, both when the war is over and when the war is already underway so that they will only benefit temporarily. In this world there are always parties who are harmed when a party benefits from something, but if the benefits are obtained through war, of course everyone will find it easier to find out and criticize if the benefits obtained are at the expense of other people's suffering.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Wimex on July 28, 2023, 10:16:24 PM
I personally judged it from the war between the two countries, Russia. Even though it was battered by many European sanctions, Russia was still able to reduce the inflation rate for 7 months in a row. This means that Russia also benefits. Then America is the most profitable from the sale of weapons and energy sources to Europe. The biggest loser is Ukraine. Really have to cry, drenched in blood and crying blood.
Russia is bad because it has been fighting Ukraine, but the US and its Alliance are in fact much worse because in all aspects they are very selfish.
Putin's Russia wanted to capture Ukraine with its huge human, economic and industrial resources in a few days and then, using them, direct its aggression against the Baltic countries and Europe. Of no small importance was the Kremlin's desire to appropriate the history of Ukraine's development as Russia's own history. After all, the history of the formation of Ukraine dates back to the 9th century, when Kievan Rus, one of the most powerful states in Europe, was born and grew stronger. And the history of present-day Russia is only a few centuries old and there is nothing special to brag about.

But Russia will definitely be a big loser after the end of its attack on Ukraine, if, of course, it survives as a single state at all. Ukraine has no other choice but to defend itself against the military aggression of its neighbor. But after the war, Ukraine will still receive financial and material assistance from the United States and European countries. In addition, the world powers are able to force the defeated Russia to pay reparations for the damage suffered by Ukraine from the war. This can completely renew Ukraine and make it even better than it was before this war.

Another big fat chunk of propaganda! I hope you're at least being paid.  ;D

What makes you think Russia wants to capture or annex Ukraine? Was it mentioned somewhere? Did Putin say this? If not, what are your sources then? SOMA (Straight Outta My Ass)?

Why do you think Russia wants to confront NATO by attacking the Baltic states and Europe? Did Russia claim that?

Your statement about Russia losing the war is just laughable. Just to remind you, nuclear superpowers can't lose in a military conflict.  ;)

I think if Ukraine had not stubbornly joined Nato, there would have been no conflict, but many people still insist that Russia is trying to occupy and annex Ukraine. War has never been beneficial to any country as it will stifle their economic development. Only countries that specialize in exporting weapons and making money from the sale of military weapons want war, but they will never directly go to war.
I agree, the possibility that a leading nuclear power in the world loses in a small war like this is very unlikely, sounds like a myth.

You are right, although I think that whether Ukraine had joined NATO or not, the conflict would have been executed sooner or later, the more land a country has, the more benefits they will have either for trade or for simple territorial expansion, joining in an organization was not going to save him from such a situation, however if I speed up the process, this would harm the Russian government, since having a neighboring country allied with its opponent is not very helpful for its military strategies but even so  I think that it is not the only reason..Or because you think that China wants to re-integrate Taiwan, it is very clear, because in addition to alienating the United States from its district, this gives it direct access to international trade and this, to say the least of the privileges they will have when achieving their mission. it is true that most wars are created to be able to sell weapons, but it is not always for that purpose, sometimes it is for strategy.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on July 29, 2023, 07:35:22 AM
I think if Ukraine had not stubbornly joined Nato, there would have been no conflict, but many people still insist that Russia is trying to occupy and annex Ukraine. War has never been beneficial to any country as it will stifle their economic development. Only countries that specialize in exporting weapons and making money from the sale of military weapons want war, but they will never directly go to war.
I agree, the possibility that a leading nuclear power in the world loses in a small war like this is very unlikely, sounds like a myth.


Very interesting assertion, well, or attempted justification :)
Can you tell me - when did Ukraine OFFICIALLY adopt legislative acts on NATO plans ?

So that you don't have to search for real information contradicting your statement, I'll give you a clue :)
1. in 2015-2017 it was decided to... No, not about joining NATO..... Due to the sabotage and almost complete collapse of the AFU by the previous president Yanukovych, the AFU was reorganized according to the standards of the advanced countries of the West - from the transition to weapons formats to the restructuring of the army structure itself.
2 In 2018, at the end of the year, an official document on Ukraine's plans and prospects for NATO membership really appeared.

Let me remind you that the first wave of attack on Ukraine, with the annexation of Crimea and the creation of two cloaks DNR and LNR, began in February 2014.

According to you, in a cause and effect system, cause follows effect ? :)

I assume that you have secret information that Yannukovych wanted to bring Ukraine into NATO in 2013, early 2014 ? Please share it here !


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: marcous on July 29, 2023, 08:40:39 AM
The answer is very complex if it is only limited to who benefits, we can see with the naked eye that Russia comes out as the winner of the most profits. However, we must objectively assess that Russia's invasion of Ukraine has a long and complicated background to explain. What is clear is that the benefits in the war cannot be felt directly either by the country that wins the battle, expanding the influence of power and exploring Ukraine's natural resources is an advantage for Russia in the future.

However, economically the two countries spent a sizable amount of war money to carry out their mission, if it was used to develop the country it would produce significant progress. Apart from the notion that the two countries are in conflict due to the interference of other countries, I think peace is better for the two countries.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Tony116 on July 29, 2023, 09:07:50 AM
The answer is very complex if it is only limited to who benefits, we can see with the naked eye that Russia comes out as the winner of the most profits. However, we must objectively assess that Russia's invasion of Ukraine has a long and complicated background to explain. What is clear is that the benefits in the war cannot be felt directly either by the country that wins the battle, expanding the influence of power and exploring Ukraine's natural resources is an advantage for Russia in the future.

However, economically the two countries spent a sizable amount of war money to carry out their mission, if it was used to develop the country it would produce significant progress. Apart from the notion that the two countries are in conflict due to the interference of other countries, I think peace is better for the two countries.

In war, whichever country wins or has an advantage, that country benefits, no war breaks out without benefits. But I don't think Russia will be the biggest beneficiary because getting bogged down in war is something no country wants. Because it will slow down their economy and their country will lag behind the rest of the world, it will take them years to recover everything. The country that benefits most is the country that is not directly involved in the war but continues to sell weapons to prolong the war and they do not want the war to stop because the longer it lasts, the more weapons it sells.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: dothebeats on July 29, 2023, 10:51:21 AM
The answer is very complex if it is only limited to who benefits, we can see with the naked eye that Russia comes out as the winner of the most profits. However, we must objectively assess that Russia's invasion of Ukraine has a long and complicated background to explain. What is clear is that the benefits in the war cannot be felt directly either by the country that wins the battle, expanding the influence of power and exploring Ukraine's natural resources is an advantage for Russia in the future.

However, economically the two countries spent a sizable amount of war money to carry out their mission, if it was used to develop the country it would produce significant progress. Apart from the notion that the two countries are in conflict due to the interference of other countries, I think peace is better for the two countries.

In war, whichever country wins or has an advantage, that country benefits, no war breaks out without benefits. But I don't think Russia will be the biggest beneficiary because getting bogged down in war is something no country wants. Because it will slow down their economy and their country will lag behind the rest of the world, it will take them years to recover everything. The country that benefits most is the country that is not directly involved in the war but continues to sell weapons to prolong the war and they do not want the war to stop because the longer it lasts, the more weapons it sells.

Yes, of course the winner gets benefits. However, if you scale the benefits and loss, you'll find yourself wondering if the benefits found are even worth the loss accumulated. Recovery, as you said will take years and the mark it will leave will be remembered for good.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: adiksau0414 on July 29, 2023, 02:53:23 PM
War benefits different groups, but its overall impact is highly destructive. Some entities that historically gained from war include arms manufacturers and the military-industrial complex, profiting from increased weapon demand. Resource-rich nations or corporations can exploit conflicts to control valuable resources, securing economic advantages. Certain political leaders may use war to consolidate power or divert attention from internal issues. Additionally, wars can create opportunities for profit through post-conflict reconstruction efforts, benefiting some businesses. Geopolitically, countries might engage in war to expand influence or protect allies, potentially enhancing their position in the world order. However, it is essential to recognize that these benefits often come at an immense cost: loss of human lives, displacement of populations, destruction of infrastructure, and long-lasting psychological trauma. Pursuing peaceful resolutions and investing in diplomacy remains a crucial path towards a more stable and just global community.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: khiholangkang on July 29, 2023, 04:37:10 PM
The answer is very complex if it is only limited to who benefits, we can see with the naked eye that Russia comes out as the winner of the most profits. However, we must objectively assess that Russia's invasion of Ukraine has a long and complicated background to explain. What is clear is that the benefits in the war cannot be felt directly either by the country that wins the battle, expanding the influence of power and exploring Ukraine's natural resources is an advantage for Russia in the future.

However, economically the two countries spent a sizable amount of war money to carry out their mission, if it was used to develop the country it would produce significant progress. Apart from the notion that the two countries are in conflict due to the interference of other countries, I think peace is better for the two countries.

In war, whichever country wins or has an advantage, that country benefits, no war breaks out without benefits. But I don't think Russia will be the biggest beneficiary because getting bogged down in war is something no country wants. Because it will slow down their economy and their country will lag behind the rest of the world, it will take them years to recover everything. The country that benefits most is the country that is not directly involved in the war but continues to sell weapons to prolong the war and they do not want the war to stop because the longer it lasts, the more weapons it sells.

I agree that countries that benefit the most are countries that don't join the war but they get income from selling their merchandise to countries that are in conflict, but sometimes this also triggers conflict for countries that supply their goods because they are considered supporters.
Yes, of course there are negative and positive sides to the position of war, but the advantaged position in the position of the warring countries is the victorious country, because they will get the spoils of war and expand the territory of their territory.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: so98nn on July 29, 2023, 04:55:47 PM
China is a very closed country, we know very little about the intentions of the leaders of the Chinese Communist Party...

Are the Chinese really planning to take over Taiwan?  Or do they have some alternative plans for the development of Chinese microelectronics (including military developments)?  We do not know.  Until recently, China pursued a very balanced foreign policy. 

However, with the coming to power of Xi Jinping, the Chinese Communist Party has moved from collective management to an authoritarian management model. 

Will this lead to a more aggressive Chinese foreign policy?  Will China go to war?  These questions are difficult to answer unambiguously. 

But it is possible.

Throughout the history China always pushed others to go into war and that’s what they are doing till date. They will never ever be friends with anyone because they play safe. They play that way because of the same authority based administration which is deep rooted in them since very long. They just following the divide and rule strategy which used to be famous from British empire.

If they do war they are doing this for business purpose only. They know they have biggest supply chain in the world. If world needs anything in the war situation then it’s china that cha manufacture and they can do it on mass level.

Everything is tricky these days.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Tony116 on July 30, 2023, 08:38:17 AM
The answer is very complex if it is only limited to who benefits, we can see with the naked eye that Russia comes out as the winner of the most profits. However, we must objectively assess that Russia's invasion of Ukraine has a long and complicated background to explain. What is clear is that the benefits in the war cannot be felt directly either by the country that wins the battle, expanding the influence of power and exploring Ukraine's natural resources is an advantage for Russia in the future.

However, economically the two countries spent a sizable amount of war money to carry out their mission, if it was used to develop the country it would produce significant progress. Apart from the notion that the two countries are in conflict due to the interference of other countries, I think peace is better for the two countries.

In war, whichever country wins or has an advantage, that country benefits, no war breaks out without benefits. But I don't think Russia will be the biggest beneficiary because getting bogged down in war is something no country wants. Because it will slow down their economy and their country will lag behind the rest of the world, it will take them years to recover everything. The country that benefits most is the country that is not directly involved in the war but continues to sell weapons to prolong the war and they do not want the war to stop because the longer it lasts, the more weapons it sells.

Yes, of course the winner gets benefits. However, if you scale the benefits and loss, you'll find yourself wondering if the benefits found are even worth the loss accumulated. Recovery, as you said will take years and the mark it will leave will be remembered for good.

What you say is just the thoughts of ordinary people like us, but politicians, they have different thoughts, even they will risk everything to achieve their goals. Moreover, sometimes war occurs but is not what the two warring parties want, but it can be manipulated by a third party to create a war in favor of the one pulling the strings behind it. In my opinion, every war has a division of interests between great powers, those countries that do not have a powerful army but are becoming warring parties are just chess pieces for the great powers to take advantage of to distribute benefits.



Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: EarnOnVictor on July 30, 2023, 10:18:52 AM
The answer is very complex if it is only limited to who benefits, we can see with the naked eye that Russia comes out as the winner of the most profits. However, we must objectively assess that Russia's invasion of Ukraine has a long and complicated background to explain. What is clear is that the benefits in the war cannot be felt directly either by the country that wins the battle, expanding the influence of power and exploring Ukraine's natural resources is an advantage for Russia in the future.

However, economically the two countries spent a sizable amount of war money to carry out their mission, if it was used to develop the country it would produce significant progress. Apart from the notion that the two countries are in conflict due to the interference of other countries, I think peace is better for the two countries.

In war, whichever country wins or has an advantage, that country benefits, no war breaks out without benefits.
You are missing something here and what you wrote is totally incorrect. None of the countries that are involved in a war benefit. Is it for the money lost or the casualty recorded? Is it of the sanctions, diseases and famine causes or famine that would still linger for years because of the war? None of them has a single thing to benefit from but losses and destruction.

And it might surprise you that those people and countries that benefit might be external. This is because even if such countries engaging in war could produce their weapons, they might run short of it or other raw materials which they will need to import from other countries, thereby benefiting external countries that have nothing to lose.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Fuso.hp on July 30, 2023, 10:28:16 AM
War can never bring peace to any country but war always causes unrest to every country. In order to maintain the peace of your country, you must make a peace agreement without war. The Russia-Ukraine war has been going on for almost a long time, and the outcome of this war has not gone in favor of either country. Due to the war between the two countries, the common people are in a lot of fear and many common people have already lost their lives. The impact of the war in Russia and Ukraine has directly affected the economy of various countries. Almost every country had economic relations with Russia, but due to the war, Russia's relations with many countries were damaged, as a result of which they could not export or import goods from different countries. The war between Russia and Ukraine has affected many countries around the world. Due to the war in these two countries, the prices of fuel oil or raw materials of different countries have increased so the war must be stopped.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DanWalker on July 30, 2023, 12:23:19 PM
War can never bring peace to any country but war always causes unrest to every country. In order to maintain the peace of your country, you must make a peace agreement without war. The Russia-Ukraine war has been going on for almost a long time, and the outcome of this war has not gone in favor of either country. Due to the war between the two countries, the common people are in a lot of fear and many common people have already lost their lives. The impact of the war in Russia and Ukraine has directly affected the economy of various countries. Almost every country had economic relations with Russia, but due to the war, Russia's relations with many countries were damaged, as a result of which they could not export or import goods from different countries. The war between Russia and Ukraine has affected many countries around the world. Due to the war in these two countries, the prices of fuel oil or raw materials of different countries have increased so the war must be stopped.

It is true that the war between Russia and Ukraine is causing damage to many countries worldwide, but not all, there are still countries that profit by selling weapons and energy to allies at exorbitant prices or have the opportunity to create an economic crisis to export inflation. Not only Russia and Ukraine suffered losses, but many other countries also fell into the same situation, but besides that, there were also some countries that benefited, so they did not want the war to end soon.
If war didn't bring any benefit, people wouldn't have maintained it for thousands of years.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Pejoh Asu on July 30, 2023, 03:34:15 PM
War is something that causes a lot of losses, but on the other hand war provides many advantages, countries that have a supply of food, daily needs, to weapons for war certainly get a lot of benefits from war, of course it is not easy to be able to supply to countries that are at war because it will impact the enemy country will try to break the supply chain.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on July 30, 2023, 04:55:45 PM
In terms of simple logic, the beneficiary in a war can be:
1. The country that started the war and won. as a result of the victory it gained for example new land, resources, population. However, such wars were more characteristic of the Middle Ages, where the size of the country, population and resources played an important role. In today's world, it is more likely to benefit from a change of government in the country that has been subjected to aggression, to a loyal and favorable to the aggressor.
2. any third party that uses the conflict for its own benefit. Whether purposefully or as a "by-product" of its some involvement in a war on one side of the conflict.
This could be - profitable buying up of assets or resources. In today's situation, this is for example done by China and India in their relations with the aggressor country, Russia
It can be the benefit of a "boost to the economy".  For example, the financing and development of the military-industrial complex of the countries of the anti-Rashist coalition, which, in order to help the country subjected to aggression, are increasing the production of weapons, ammunition, etc.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: dothebeats on July 30, 2023, 06:19:52 PM
In terms of simple logic, the beneficiary in a war can be:
1. The country that started the war and won. as a result of the victory it gained for example new land, resources, population. However, such wars were more characteristic of the Middle Ages, where the size of the country, population and resources played an important role. In today's world, it is more likely to benefit from a change of government in the country that has been subjected to aggression, to a loyal and favorable to the aggressor.
2. any third party that uses the conflict for its own benefit. Whether purposefully or as a "by-product" of its some involvement in a war on one side of the conflict.
This could be - profitable buying up of assets or resources. In today's situation, this is for example done by China and India in their relations with the aggressor country, Russia
It can be the benefit of a "boost to the economy".  For example, the financing and development of the military-industrial complex of the countries of the anti-Rashist coalition, which, in order to help the country subjected to aggression, are increasing the production of weapons, ammunition, etc.

Finally. I was waiting for anyone to mention the third party/ies. Admit it or not there will be a third party that will take the opportunity to gain something as chaos from war happens. It is a golden opportunity to gain without losing, to earn something without risking too much. Hence, I agree with you on that point.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DeathAngel on July 30, 2023, 07:48:23 PM
I am 100% always an advocate for peace but to answer the question arms manufacturers, defense contractors &  the military industrial complex often profit financially from war.

Political leaders benefit by diverting attention away from domestic issues or rallying support. It’s crucial to note that certain individuals or industries may reap short term gains but the overall costs & consequences of war can be devastating for societies, economies & individuals.

The toll on human lives, infrastructure & the long term impacts on peace and stability far outweigh any potential benefits.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Tony116 on July 31, 2023, 10:38:57 AM
The answer is very complex if it is only limited to who benefits, we can see with the naked eye that Russia comes out as the winner of the most profits. However, we must objectively assess that Russia's invasion of Ukraine has a long and complicated background to explain. What is clear is that the benefits in the war cannot be felt directly either by the country that wins the battle, expanding the influence of power and exploring Ukraine's natural resources is an advantage for Russia in the future.

However, economically the two countries spent a sizable amount of war money to carry out their mission, if it was used to develop the country it would produce significant progress. Apart from the notion that the two countries are in conflict due to the interference of other countries, I think peace is better for the two countries.

In war, whichever country wins or has an advantage, that country benefits, no war breaks out without benefits.
You are missing something here and what you wrote is totally incorrect. None of the countries that are involved in a war benefit. Is it for the money lost or the casualty recorded? Is it of the sanctions, diseases and famine causes or famine that would still linger for years because of the war? None of them has a single thing to benefit from but losses and destruction.

And it might surprise you that those people and countries that benefit might be external. This is because even if such countries engaging in war could produce their weapons, they might run short of it or other raw materials which they will need to import from other countries, thereby benefiting external countries that have nothing to lose.

Do you mean participating in war does not bring any benefit? As I said that's our thinking, but politicians won't think so. If war does not bring benefits, then why did Nazi Germany want to annex the world, why did the US, French, and British empires in the 90s sent troops to invade countries and were ready to destroy them all? And do you see that the countries that specialize in invading other countries are now great powers? What politicians want is to show their power, want people to obey them, but they don't think about the safety of others.

I agree that war will cause losses but if they win the spoils will be much bigger. I am not surprised that it is the countries that do not participate in the war that benefit the most because they are the arms sellers, the longer the war goes on, the higher their revenue is, and they are even the instigators of the war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: EarnOnVictor on July 31, 2023, 11:39:31 AM
The answer is very complex if it is only limited to who benefits, we can see with the naked eye that Russia comes out as the winner of the most profits. However, we must objectively assess that Russia's invasion of Ukraine has a long and complicated background to explain. What is clear is that the benefits in the war cannot be felt directly either by the country that wins the battle, expanding the influence of power and exploring Ukraine's natural resources is an advantage for Russia in the future.

However, economically the two countries spent a sizable amount of war money to carry out their mission, if it was used to develop the country it would produce significant progress. Apart from the notion that the two countries are in conflict due to the interference of other countries, I think peace is better for the two countries.

In war, whichever country wins or has an advantage, that country benefits, no war breaks out without benefits.
You are missing something here and what you wrote is totally incorrect. None of the countries that are involved in a war benefit. Is it for the money lost or the casualty recorded? Is it of the sanctions, diseases and famine causes or famine that would still linger for years because of the war? None of them has a single thing to benefit from but losses and destruction.

And it might surprise you that those people and countries that benefit might be external. This is because even if such countries engaging in war could produce their weapons, they might run short of it or other raw materials which they will need to import from other countries, thereby benefiting external countries that have nothing to lose.

Do you mean participating in war does not bring any benefit? As I said that's our thinking, but politicians won't think so. If war does not bring benefits, then why did Nazi Germany want to annex the world, why did the US, French, and British empires in the 90s sent troops to invade countries and were ready to destroy them all? And do you see that the countries that specialize in invading other countries are now great powers? What politicians want is to show their power, want people to obey them, but they don't think about the safety of others.

I agree that war will cause losses but if they win the spoils will be much bigger. I am not surprised that it is the countries that do not participate in the war that benefit the most because they are the arms sellers, the longer the war goes on, the higher their revenue is, and they are even the instigators of the war.
You are mixing things together, are you talking about war or conquest, they are different things. You do not have to be at war to be a great power in the global sphere, once you build your economy and you build your recognition and power and your relationship with other countries concluded the rest, then it will happen, it doesn't have to be through the war that destroys.

As for Nazi Germany's remarks, that's a crazy example just like what Putin is doing now, Nazis want more territory because of their hunger for power, but did it help them, no of course, it only relegated the country after losing money, people, power and their respect. This happened until current Germany made people believe they were sorry. Or what has Russia of now gained or will gain in its present war with Ukraine? Nothing my friend, they can't certainly benefit anything.

And for the countries engaging in the war themselves no benefits, not even the winners. Politicians and military high rankings might gain truly, but when it comes to the countries involved as I said earlier, there is no benefit on any side that at war, they will both suffer catastrophe of the war. Only external countries supplying weapon and raw material benefits.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Sebas.tian on July 31, 2023, 01:15:43 PM
I think, bad leaders are the one benefiting from war most because war always give them access to make a huge demand from the government resources that will affect the economy and the citizens of those two party, which they will not use the money to solve the problem in the land. Like the war that is going on between Ukraine and Russia government, if the world peace Makers can investigate the cause of the war very well, you will discover that the bad leaders in the two countries are the one looking for way to loot the government resources. I believe, very soon the war will be over, and those behind the war will be brought to book , and they will definitely vomit what they have consum from the war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: Ozero on July 31, 2023, 04:57:38 PM
I think, bad leaders are the one benefiting from war most because war always give them access to make a huge demand from the government resources that will affect the economy and the citizens of those two party, which they will not use the money to solve the problem in the land. Like the war that is going on between Ukraine and Russia government, if the world peace Makers can investigate the cause of the war very well, you will discover that the bad leaders in the two countries are the one looking for way to loot the government resources. I believe, very soon the war will be over, and those behind the war will be brought to book , and they will definitely vomit what they have consum from the war.
In the war between Russia and Ukraine, Russia is the aggressor, that is, the attacking side. Its bad and bloodthirsty leader Putin would have won if, as he expected, he would have captured Ukraine in a short time. But he miscalculated and Ukraine, with the support of other states, inflicted colossal material and human losses on the aggressor. This hit Putin's image very painfully, and he, and possibly the state itself, will not recover from this.
I am sure that Putin is now very sorry that he attacked Ukraine, but it is already impossible to return to the position before the attack.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: qwertyup23 on July 31, 2023, 06:20:40 PM
I think, bad leaders are the one benefiting from war most because war always give them access to make a huge demand from the government resources that will affect the economy and the citizens of those two party, which they will not use the money to solve the problem in the land. Like the war that is going on between Ukraine and Russia government, if the world peace Makers can investigate the cause of the war very well, you will discover that the bad leaders in the two countries are the one looking for way to loot the government resources. I believe, very soon the war will be over, and those behind the war will be brought to book , and they will definitely vomit what they have consum from the war.
In the war between Russia and Ukraine, Russia is the aggressor, that is, the attacking side. Its bad and bloodthirsty leader Putin would have won if, as he expected, he would have captured Ukraine in a short time. But he miscalculated and Ukraine, with the support of other states, inflicted colossal material and human losses on the aggressor. This hit Putin's image very painfully, and he, and possibly the state itself, will not recover from this.
I am sure that Putin is now very sorry that he attacked Ukraine, but it is already impossible to return to the position before the attack.

I remember there was a quote that said: you may have won the battle, but we have won the war; but everyone lost.

This quote really hits deep when you think about the consequences of war both in the winner and on the loser side. Sure, the winner may have won but at what cost? Money on ammunition, explosives, etc. have been used; lives were lost; and the economic impact which would therefore last for ages would soon hit the country.

In war, the only one that benefits is actually no one. Everyone is lost during the war due to its overall impact to everyone,


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on July 31, 2023, 07:13:55 PM
In terms of simple logic, the beneficiary in a war can be:
1. The country that started the war and won. as a result of the victory it gained for example new land, resources, population. However, such wars were more characteristic of the Middle Ages, where the size of the country, population and resources played an important role. In today's world, it is more likely to benefit from a change of government in the country that has been subjected to aggression, to a loyal and favorable to the aggressor.
2. any third party that uses the conflict for its own benefit. Whether purposefully or as a "by-product" of its some involvement in a war on one side of the conflict.
This could be - profitable buying up of assets or resources. In today's situation, this is for example done by China and India in their relations with the aggressor country, Russia
It can be the benefit of a "boost to the economy".  For example, the financing and development of the military-industrial complex of the countries of the anti-Rashist coalition, which, in order to help the country subjected to aggression, are increasing the production of weapons, ammunition, etc.

Finally. I was waiting for anyone to mention the third party/ies. Admit it or not there will be a third party that will take the opportunity to gain something as chaos from war happens. It is a golden opportunity to gain without losing, to earn something without risking too much. Hence, I agree with you on that point.

Third party is not an unambiguous concept either !
For example, the position of Poland is also a third party, but they are not the initiators of these events, they got involved because of the events. And their benefit was that by transferring Soviet-made airplanes to Ukraine, on the one hand they helped Ukraine to destroy aggressors, on the other hand they benefited from receiving new models of airplanes for arming.
Or here is India - buys oil for pennies and earns on it perfectly well, forcing "friend" to fulfill all the whims of India :)
Perhaps there are countries, "third party", which could push Russia to aggression against Ukraine, expecting to get their benefit - for example, losing all military potential, economy, etc., to get it, Russia, in their possession?! I assume (but this is only my personal assumptions) that there is such a country on the map, and it is it that started to buy grain in Russia and Ukraine directly and indirectly in 2020-2021.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: n0ne on July 31, 2023, 10:46:18 PM
I think, bad leaders are the one benefiting from war most because war always give them access to make a huge demand from the government resources that will affect the economy and the citizens of those two party, which they will not use the money to solve the problem in the land. Like the war that is going on between Ukraine and Russia government, if the world peace Makers can investigate the cause of the war very well, you will discover that the bad leaders in the two countries are the one looking for way to loot the government resources. I believe, very soon the war will be over, and those behind the war will be brought to book , and they will definitely vomit what they have consum from the war.
In the war between Russia and Ukraine, Russia is the aggressor, that is, the attacking side. Its bad and bloodthirsty leader Putin would have won if, as he expected, he would have captured Ukraine in a short time. But he miscalculated and Ukraine, with the support of other states, inflicted colossal material and human losses on the aggressor. This hit Putin's image very painfully, and he, and possibly the state itself, will not recover from this.
I am sure that Putin is now very sorry that he attacked Ukraine, but it is already impossible to return to the position before the attack.

I remember there was a quote that said: you may have won the battle, but we have won the war; but everyone lost.

This quote really hits deep when you think about the consequences of war both in the winner and on the loser side. Sure, the winner may have won but at what cost? Money on ammunition, explosives, etc. have been used; lives were lost; and the economic impact which would therefore last for ages would soon hit the country.

In war, the only one that benefits is actually no one. Everyone is lost during the war due to its overall impact to everyone,
The reality behind the war is perfectly said in the quote. Maybe one can claim that they've won the war. The same doesn't mean they're at the top and haven't affected by the war. It completely destroys the growth. Most of the time the war takes place in growing countries which is kind of hidden politics to down the growth of country.

In a war everything is a loss, except the country who sells weapons to the war participants were the benefitting one.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on August 01, 2023, 05:19:54 AM
By the way, a cool nuance regarding official Russian data on Russia's GDP.
I will not explain what this indicator means and how it is calculated.
So here is what is interesting, in the realities of Russia. GDP is something that is consumed inside the country, for the population and economy of the country (this is very primitive). So in Russia 2023, about 50%+ of the budget goes to the military-industrial complex. That's shells, tanks, ammunition. All of which are soon to be destroyed in Ukraine. I.e. it only brings costs. But for beautiful statistics, the Russian Ministry of Finance counts it as "industrial production" and counts it in GDP. So ... count for yourself how "beautiful" everything is there :)

Ah yes. You will ask a question - where do such figures - 50% ? I agree, without argumentation is not very beautiful ! I correct ! :)
1. In the Russian Federation, the government has classified a quarter of all expenditures for 2023. This is all the expenses for a "2-3 week special military operation"
2. 25% is the official data on OPEN cost items from the budget.

So irreversible degradation is exactly what is happening to the Russian economy now.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: dothebeats on August 01, 2023, 11:10:56 AM
I think, bad leaders are the one benefiting from war most because war always give them access to make a huge demand from the government resources that will affect the economy and the citizens of those two party, which they will not use the money to solve the problem in the land. Like the war that is going on between Ukraine and Russia government, if the world peace Makers can investigate the cause of the war very well, you will discover that the bad leaders in the two countries are the one looking for way to loot the government resources. I believe, very soon the war will be over, and those behind the war will be brought to book , and they will definitely vomit what they have consum from the war.
In the war between Russia and Ukraine, Russia is the aggressor, that is, the attacking side. Its bad and bloodthirsty leader Putin would have won if, as he expected, he would have captured Ukraine in a short time. But he miscalculated and Ukraine, with the support of other states, inflicted colossal material and human losses on the aggressor. This hit Putin's image very painfully, and he, and possibly the state itself, will not recover from this.
I am sure that Putin is now very sorry that he attacked Ukraine, but it is already impossible to return to the position before the attack.

I remember there was a quote that said: you may have won the battle, but we have won the war; but everyone lost.

This quote really hits deep when you think about the consequences of war both in the winner and on the loser side. Sure, the winner may have won but at what cost? Money on ammunition, explosives, etc. have been used; lives were lost; and the economic impact which would therefore last for ages would soon hit the country.

In war, the only one that benefits is actually no one. Everyone is lost during the war due to its overall impact to everyone,
The reality behind the war is perfectly said in the quote. Maybe one can claim that they've won the war. The same doesn't mean they're at the top and haven't affected by the war. It completely destroys the growth. Most of the time the war takes place in growing countries which is kind of hidden politics to down the growth of country.

In a war everything is a loss, except the country who sells weapons to the war participants were the benefitting one.

Exactly, the third party. In some cases, you will even see that third party selling to all of those countries involved in the war to get as many profits as they can get. They certainly did not lose anything but they gained millions, probably even billions for that. They did not directly participate in the war, they only did business.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: pooya87 on August 01, 2023, 01:27:25 PM
In a war everything is a loss, except the country who sells weapons to the war participants were the benefitting one.
I wouldn't say the country that sells the weapons but instead the company that sells them. Take a look at US for example. As the biggest weapons seller in this war the arms manufacturers and the arms dealers are making tons of money but US itself is experiencing inflation and recession at the same time with the national debt growing by the trillions every couple of months as the government can not keep up with its massive expenses while the banks keep shutting down one at a time and people who can no longer pay their debt due to high interest rates and the inflation that eats through their income.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: bussybuddy on August 01, 2023, 04:55:26 PM
War brings a lot of benefits to the victors, but these are only short-term benefits. In fact, the countries that sell weapons to both sides are the real winners. Looking at history, one of the reasons the US grew so fast and rich was also through selling weapons and providing foreign currency to countries during world wars.

The economy is affected by the war, which has a strong impact on society and it is the people who are severely affected whether they participate directly or indirectly. While it is true that there will be people who will not be affected by this, it is undeniable that the people are still the ones who bear the ultimate burden and do not benefit the most in this war.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: slapper on August 01, 2023, 09:39:41 PM
War brings a lot of benefits to the victors, but these are only short-term benefits. In fact, the countries that sell weapons to both sides are the real winners. Looking at history, one of the reasons the US grew so fast and rich was also through selling weapons and providing foreign currency to countries during world wars.

The economy is affected by the war, which has a strong impact on society and it is the people who are severely affected whether they participate directly or indirectly. While it is true that there will be people who will not be affected by this, it is undeniable that the people are still the ones who bear the ultimate burden and do not benefit the most in this war.
Selling weapons and aiding war efforts boosts economies, notably in the US. Not all is black and white. Consider post-war reconstruction. Many countries, even the winners, need years and a lot of money to recover. Despite appearances, economies are based on war and conflict and cannot persist

It's tragic that the public suffers the most. This is why peaceful solutions are crucial, no matter how difficult. Peace implies respecting everyone's human rights


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: BenCodie on August 01, 2023, 10:13:46 PM
War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.

While devastating, it has unfortunately played an integral part of collective human development, for reasons that are terrible and some not so bad.

What I mean here is the process of Destroy, Rebuild, Stagnate, Destroy etc.

Following destruction, a large amount of effort is put into rebuilding. During the rebuild, things are planned and thought out better than the previous time. As completion of rebuilding is done, comfort sets back in which causes the journey toward stagnant progress, which is eventually removed when the next destruction occurs.

It's a sad process though this is what history has taught most small-medium sized countries.

The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.

The war spans much further than Russia and Ukraine. NATO play an integral role in the control of the malicious pawn that is Ukraine. It is portrayed in the media that Russia is the bad country and Ukraine is this saint-like victim. This is not the case though. From the beginning, tensions and treaty violations were NATO puppeteering Ukraine. Russia is no saint, but the chain of events isn't as published.

After the war is done, rebuilding will occur for whichever countries need it, they'll come back stronger. As for surrounding countries, they will be included in this process as the victim country will need resources from its neighbours.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: wmaurik on August 02, 2023, 03:58:29 PM
Exactly, the third party. In some cases, you will even see that third party selling to all of those countries involved in the war to get as many profits as they can get. They certainly did not lose anything but they gained millions, probably even billions for that. They did not directly participate in the war, they only did business.
I also agree and it makes sense if you say a third party can take advantage of both sides when two countries are at war. Because this third party is a party who really wants to take advantage of this moment as an opportunity to make money from both of them, so that party will not care about the level of difficulty that occurs in the war, but only see how many opportunities he can take advantage of in these conditions.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: romero121 on August 02, 2023, 11:22:48 PM
Exactly, the third party. In some cases, you will even see that third party selling to all of those countries involved in the war to get as many profits as they can get. They certainly did not lose anything but they gained millions, probably even billions for that. They did not directly participate in the war, they only did business.
I also agree and it makes sense if you say a third party can take advantage of both sides when two countries are at war. Because this third party is a party who really wants to take advantage of this moment as an opportunity to make money from both of them, so that party will not care about the level of difficulty that occurs in the war, but only see how many opportunities he can take advantage of in these conditions.
As said War is the ground to measure the ability of different weapons as well as show who's product is superior to the other. Here the third party would sell products to both the countries involved in war. This is pure politics connected with business, because initially the country who holds big volume of weapons provide support with free weapons and further on discount and later on pricing. Whenever a war is happening it is the responsibility of the governments to get into discussion and make an end and war isn't the solution. This is kind of wasting people's money and making their living even worse.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: milewilda on August 02, 2023, 11:31:09 PM
I think, bad leaders are the one benefiting from war most because war always give them access to make a huge demand from the government resources that will affect the economy and the citizens of those two party, which they will not use the money to solve the problem in the land. Like the war that is going on between Ukraine and Russia government, if the world peace Makers can investigate the cause of the war very well, you will discover that the bad leaders in the two countries are the one looking for way to loot the government resources. I believe, very soon the war will be over, and those behind the war will be brought to book , and they will definitely vomit what they have consum from the war.
In the war between Russia and Ukraine, Russia is the aggressor, that is, the attacking side. Its bad and bloodthirsty leader Putin would have won if, as he expected, he would have captured Ukraine in a short time. But he miscalculated and Ukraine, with the support of other states, inflicted colossal material and human losses on the aggressor. This hit Putin's image very painfully, and he, and possibly the state itself, will not recover from this.
I am sure that Putin is now very sorry that he attacked Ukraine, but it is already impossible to return to the position before the attack.

I remember there was a quote that said: you may have won the battle, but we have won the war; but everyone lost.

This quote really hits deep when you think about the consequences of war both in the winner and on the loser side. Sure, the winner may have won but at what cost? Money on ammunition, explosives, etc. have been used; lives were lost; and the economic impact which would therefore last for ages would soon hit the country.

In war, the only one that benefits is actually no one. Everyone is lost during the war due to its overall impact to everyone,
The reality behind the war is perfectly said in the quote. Maybe one can claim that they've won the war. The same doesn't mean they're at the top and haven't affected by the war. It completely destroys the growth. Most of the time the war takes place in growing countries which is kind of hidden politics to down the growth of country.

In a war everything is a loss, except the country who sells weapons to the war participants were the benefitting one.

Exactly, the third party. In some cases, you will even see that third party selling to all of those countries involved in the war to get as many profits as they can get. They certainly did not lose anything but they gained millions, probably even billions for that. They did not directly participate in the war, they only did business.
Thats how business works and its been approved out by government of course because they would really be taking up some percentage too on what they do profit out.It would really be taking up some advantage considering that selling out weapons and other warfare correlated items would really be in expense in countries taxes which it would really be the usual case. In speaking about other things been attached for them to profit out then i do agree with those third parties too, this is why wars becomes that too long duration because as long it would be still happening then it would really be a continuous flow in terms of revenue.
Its a wicked world and only to those people who are in position and power or fame would be always be having the advantage on making themselves even more richer on which its not really that something shocking
if we do speak about reality. Is there something we can do as an ordinary citizen? There's none and thats why we do live on a world where these things do happening around and it does really affect out economically which its never been new.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: DrBeer on August 03, 2023, 01:40:57 PM
About "benefits".
Recently ended the summit, organized by the country-terrorist Russia. The goal is to gather at least someone who could be called "friends" of the outcast country. For understanding - 2/3 of those invited disdained to come.
To begin with, I will quote the words of M. Zakharova, the press drunkard of the Russian Foreign Ministry, "our guys are dying in Ukraine, defending the freedoms of Africa and the whole world." This is certainly not about the economy, it's about neglected psychiatry :)
Who doubts - answer a simple question. How did "Ivan" from Syzran, who came to Ukraine to destroy and kill, and in the end was expectedly destroyed, and now lies somewhere in the fields of Ukraine, helped African countries? :)
But back to the "benefits"!
If you watched this freak show, there is one person who looks like an international criminal V.V. Putin, on behalf of Russia, promised, in exchange for friendship, the countries of Africa - GRAIN. Free of charge.
Slightly depart from this fact, and remember another. Until 2022, the largest supplier of grain to African countries was... Let's remember... Ukraine! Yes, someone will now refer to the recent "information stuffing" that states that "Ukraine did not supply grain to African countries, but only to rich and well-fed Europeans." Moreover, these stuffing somehow surprisingly coincided with the beginning of Russian attempts to destroy the port and logistics system of Ukraine, which was responsible for grain supplies.
Fact 2: Before the start of a new wave of terrorist attacks, Ukraine was the largest supplier of grain for African countries and other, not very rich countries. This is easy to check.
Fact 3. Having destroyed cities, villages, agricultural holdings, losses and logistics in the south of Ukraine, Russia GUARANTEED the impossibility of Ukrainian grain supplies to African countries!
Fact 4. Since 2022, Russia, having occupied the southern and eastern regions of Ukraine, began to systematically steal grain! Hundreds of thousands of tons stored in elevators, storage facilities, and prepared for shipment.

And back to the benefits. As a result, we get - Russia attacked Ukraine. Thus, provoking a huge risk of famine in African countries, due to the inability of Ukraine to send grain to these countries. Russia stole this grain. And now he is trying to buy friendship from some African countries for STOLEN grain!

Are you saying that this is not true? Russia will give YOUR grain? I will disappoint you! Yes, Russia has large grain crops. BUT! Grain remains so far the only resource that has not fallen under sanctions and brings hard currency. Yes, yes - Russia sells its grain to developed countries, but not to African ones. Therefore, the stolen grain from Ukraine has become "charitable". I immediately answer the question - no, Russia cannot sell it to developed countries, because. the origin of the grain is easy to determine and with a high probability it will be sent back, and they will also write out a fine!

Here is such a benefit, Russian - theft, lies, an attempt to buy friendship for food :)

And some statistics for understanding trade with Africa, or rather "its savior - Russia"
Trade with African countries:
EU - $415 billion
China - $212 billion
United States - $68 billion
Türkiye - $32 billion
Savior of Africa, Russia - 10 billion dollars !!!! : ;D ;D ;D ;D

PS
Zimbabwe - disdained ALIEN, STOPPED grain and refused!
The President of South Africa said that they did not come for gifts, but to solve the problems of the grain program, which was spawned by Russia


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
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Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: usekevin on August 04, 2023, 09:03:27 PM
Suppliers of weapons, tools, food, and other stuff to the belligerents of war will always be the winners--granted the world hasn't end based on this war that they supplied. The winners gain dominance and some control over the losers, and they get to shape the new world and established new rules that favors them, but not for long. Conflicts will always be there as long as humans continue to strive for power and control, and as long as they do that, there will come a time wherein no winners will be left after a war.

The developed country had a capacity to give food, tools, weapon for their soldiers, So they will have a huge chance of winning in the war.The winners will get huge power and loser economy will goes ten year backward.The winner also implement the law favour to their nation and take all the wealth from the losing country.When one nation get conflict over other nation, this leads to war.If each country based on the economy.Both the country rarely go to the war.They most probably try to solve the problem using the mutual respect.


Title: Re: War: who benefits and how!
Post by: serveria.com on August 04, 2023, 10:02:46 PM
About "benefits".
Recently ended the summit, organized by the country-terrorist Russia. The goal is to gather at least someone who could be called "friends" of the outcast country. For understanding - 2/3 of those invited disdained to come.
To begin with, I will quote the words of M. Zakharova, the press drunkard of the Russian Foreign Ministry, "our guys are dying in Ukraine, defending the freedoms of Africa and the whole world." This is certainly not about the economy, it's about neglected psychiatry :)
Who doubts - answer a simple question. How did "Ivan" from Syzran, who came to Ukraine to destroy and kill, and in the end was expectedly destroyed, and now lies somewhere in the fields of Ukraine, helped African countries? :)
But back to the "benefits"!
If you watched this freak show, there is one person who looks like an international criminal V.V. Putin, on behalf of Russia, promised, in exchange for friendship, the countries of Africa - GRAIN. Free of charge.
Slightly depart from this fact, and remember another. Until 2022, the largest supplier of grain to African countries was... Let's remember... Ukraine! Yes, someone will now refer to the recent "information stuffing" that states that "Ukraine did not supply grain to African countries, but only to rich and well-fed Europeans." Moreover, these stuffing somehow surprisingly coincided with the beginning of Russian attempts to destroy the port and logistics system of Ukraine, which was responsible for grain supplies.
Fact 2: Before the start of a new wave of terrorist attacks, Ukraine was the largest supplier of grain for African countries and other, not very rich countries. This is easy to check.
Fact 3. Having destroyed cities, villages, agricultural holdings, losses and logistics in the south of Ukraine, Russia GUARANTEED the impossibility of Ukrainian grain supplies to African countries!
Fact 4. Since 2022, Russia, having occupied the southern and eastern regions of Ukraine, began to systematically steal grain! Hundreds of thousands of tons stored in elevators, storage facilities, and prepared for shipment.

And back to the benefits. As a result, we get - Russia attacked Ukraine. Thus, provoking a huge risk of famine in African countries, due to the inability of Ukraine to send grain to these countries. Russia stole this grain. And now he is trying to buy friendship from some African countries for STOLEN grain!

Are you saying that this is not true? Russia will give YOUR grain? I will disappoint you! Yes, Russia has large grain crops. BUT! Grain remains so far the only resource that has not fallen under sanctions and brings hard currency. Yes, yes - Russia sells its grain to developed countries, but not to African ones. Therefore, the stolen grain from Ukraine has become "charitable". I immediately answer the question - no, Russia cannot sell it to developed countries, because. the origin of the grain is easy to determine and with a high probability it will be sent back, and they will also write out a fine!

Here is such a benefit, Russian - theft, lies, an attempt to buy friendship for food :)

And some statistics for understanding trade with Africa, or rather "its savior - Russia"
Trade with African countries:
EU - $415 billion
China - $212 billion
United States - $68 billion
Türkiye - $32 billion
Savior of Africa, Russia - 10 billion dollars !!!! : ;D ;D ;D ;D

PS
Zimbabwe - disdained ALIEN, STOPPED grain and refused!
The President of South Africa said that they did not come for gifts, but to solve the problems of the grain program, which was spawned by Russia

Could you provide the links to your sources? However, I think I already know the answer... certainly you can't because it's a lie. Quickly running through the list you provided I can see some numbers are completely off  (up to 100%). Please fix and stop spreading lies.