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March 08, 2023, 08:55:48 PM
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I do sports betting so there is no room for the casino to lie or manipulate anything when it comes to sports betting, I avoid casino games because they are games that depend on luck so I am not the lucky type of guy so I chose to just stay in the sports betting, as I don't play these casino games so I can't say for sure if casino x or y has been doing some sort of manipulation, I also don't know if people have been constantly checking whether casino x or y's games are provably fair, and I have not yet seen a site that is dedicated precisely to monitoring all casino games 24 hours a day to ensure that casino games are demonstrably fair

you, me and we all know that the license provider does little or nothing in relation to monitoring the casinos, so there is no authority that makes a constant check on the casinos, which every person needs to do always before starting to play in one and make the checking the game itself if it is a proven fair game or not, I think it is possible for people to be able to do this on their own, I hope I am not making any mistakes

Now about the video link, I confess I didn't click on it, for obvious reasons, you have the right to hear what these guys and so many other guys are talking about, but remember - these are their opinions, don't play based on that, check yourself whether or not the game is provably fair, this is the best path you should take.

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March 08, 2023, 09:36:40 PM
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You need to carry your research about a casino before choosing them as your most preferred for gambling, you make deposit into their casino wallet and use your stake on varieties of bet all because you still trust them, then why must you know everything from their own end which does not have to concern you, once you start to doubt about a casino then it's better to give a pause and reset your choice by finding another which could be more preferred, but how long will you keep into this.



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March 08, 2023, 10:28:50 PM
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Casinos are here to make money; not to lose to their gamblers/customers. At the end of the day, they will be the winner and you, me or other gamblers will be the loser. It's pretty much simple than you are thinking as of. Well, play on casinos where you can verify your bets; if you are familiar with provably fair, so it shouldn't be an issue for you. If all of us keep winning, would this huge casino industry have existed? No. C'mon.

I highly agree, this is a business. So you are playing and putting the money at risk. It's like a game of life in which you really depend on luck and winning in casino games has really a low chance. Having a strategy and analyzing the game can sure give you a chance of winning but still, you are playing with luck.

And not all casino games are scammers and maybe they think the odds are always stacked against them, and that they'll always lose money which I think could add to their reasoning about the scam.
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March 08, 2023, 10:37:06 PM
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That's why players stick to reviews or megathreads of casinos to see which ones are worthy over time. There are a few reputable reviewers here, like GOSU and GamblingBro that have reviewed casinos from time to time.

After all, gambling is all about luck and house edges hence it's a business for making money.

House edges were designed in order to at least give the online gambling company the "edge" when it comes to the bets. Given that gambling is a double-edged sword, this somehow guarantees that the odds are on their side in order to avoid them from going bankrupt. As well all know, these gambling companies are businesses- in which their primary focus is the earning of profits.

In order to counter this, some reputable companies explicitly mention the percentage of their house edge in order to keep the advantage on their side. Of course, the players are free to choose whether to continue or not but this is what keeps these online casinos alive and profitable.

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March 08, 2023, 10:39:50 PM
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You need to carry your research about a casino before choosing them as your most preferred for gambling, you make deposit into their casino wallet and use your stake on varieties of bet all because you still trust them, then why must you know everything from their own end which does not have to concern you, once you start to doubt about a casino then it's better to give a pause and reset your choice by finding another which could be more preferred, but how long will you keep into this.
I think op is just giving an opinion here about what he felt about some of the many casinos that we are using and we might not be aware of what is going on and how they might to cheating. This is time for many of us to be prepared and asking questions about some of the bugs some insincere casinos are having.

I have seen some gamblers complaining about some sites they are using and they keep making losing with knowing the cause. This could be real that is why we need to make sure that we are using a reputable casinos that are well to do.

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March 08, 2023, 11:05:53 PM
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What did you expect? a 100% sure win? Well, a casino is also a business or company owned and managed by someone who also expects to make profit from his business, so if there is not one loss, they cannot make their profit. That's why it's called gambling; winning is not guaranteed. Also, it is not really a good idea to just have an account with any random casinos out there; if individuals who are not aware of the Bitcointalk forum should fall victim to some scam casinos, I expect every member of this forum to look out for a reputable casino in this forum.

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March 08, 2023, 11:19:43 PM
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What did you expect? a 100% sure win? Well, a casino is also a business or company owned and managed by someone who also expects to make profit from his business, so if there is not one loss, they cannot make their profit. That's why it's called gambling; winning is not guaranteed. Also, it is not really a good idea to just have an account with any random casinos out there; if individuals who are not aware of the Bitcointalk forum should fall victim to some scam casinos, I expect every member of this forum to look out for a reputable casino in this forum.
If you are really that impulsive on finding new casinos and testing it out then you are really that bound on getting scammed because not every new casino turns out to be that legit and this is really a casual thing
that do happens around.
Its true and i agree on what you have said that gambling isnt always talking about winning and of course those casino or platform owners are here on making a business and not a charity on letting their
users do win up but we know that on a fair way and as long there's a house edge then gamblers would be always at disadvantage.

This is why if you are really that been bothered about being scammed, then always stick out with those known and reputable platforms.

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March 08, 2023, 11:58:53 PM
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We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,

Not all gamblers do know how provably fair works that's why your best shot that you are playing in a good casino is to look at its reputation. You can bet that these reputable gambling sites will not cheat their users as to why they should do it in the first place. Getting many users to play on their site is a hard thing to do and they won't surely ruin their famous status just for that.

If you always doubt gambling sites due to those issues then maybe, it's time to leave gambling and focus on other things.
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March 09, 2023, 02:18:28 AM
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If you are playing on a trusted site, then you don’t have to worry about its provably fair system. These sites have been operating for many years and have won the trust of many gamblers, so rather than getting the feeling of being cheated, you should test the fairness of the games on these sites. I am sure that, along with the seeds and fairness, they also have features on how to test that the site is fair. I cannot guarantee you the same about the new sites, but the old ones are always fair. And regarding the loss you are making, gambling means equal chances of getting losses and profits. So play accordingly.

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For an experience gambler you don't need to be told for you to know that these gambling sites or casinos ain't structured to function in your best interest. Should they keep having in flows of winnings how then cam they survive in the business environment, am not sure!
It's left for you the gambler to DYOR and reviews about the probable fair system of any gambling sites or casino you wish to gamble with over the years or better still sticking with older gambling sites that have proven themselves over the years is much reliable to these new emerging ones.

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March 09, 2023, 06:05:54 AM
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What did you expect? a 100% sure win? Well, a casino is also a business or company owned and managed by someone who also expects to make profit from his business, so if there is not one loss, they cannot make their profit. That's why it's called gambling; winning is not guaranteed. Also, it is not really a good idea to just have an account with any random casinos out there; if individuals who are not aware of the Bitcointalk forum should fall victim to some scam casinos, I expect every member of this forum to look out for a reputable casino in this forum.
I really like your statement and it is true that gambling is a company or business that wants profit from its customers and also not all gamblers always lose and also don't always win.
because for fair betting, some of the bets on this forum also provide gamblers with profits or wins, even if sometimes it's just a small win.
so actually between gambling sites that win and gamblers who lose it is something natural. because this is a gambling site, we already know that gambling is just luck.

so it's like the OP who experienced a loss at any online gambling site, that's a natural thing and there's no need to share about the defeat and accuse the site of being a fraud.

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You are scamming yourself op thanks to your delusional thoughts which are silly and dumb frankly speaking. If probably fair systems were truly unfair as you mentioned, those sites would have gone out of business a long time ago.

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March 09, 2023, 07:03:42 AM
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What did you expect? a 100% sure win? Well, a casino is also a business or company owned and managed by someone who also expects to make profit from his business, so if there is not one loss, they cannot make their profit. That's why it's called gambling; winning is not guaranteed. Also, it is not really a good idea to just have an account with any random casinos out there; if individuals who are not aware of the Bitcointalk forum should fall victim to some scam casinos, I expect every member of this forum to look out for a reputable casino in this forum.

    -   If we are not careful, we will fall prey to the scammers here who enter this industry. So we are free to do research first before entering a gambling casino that we are going to put money into.

Then we will not see a casino where all gamblers who entered and gambled on their platform that all gamblers won, instead most players lose on a gambling platform and this is the truth because it is simply a business field.

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March 09, 2023, 11:31:31 AM
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If you gamble only what you can afford to lose in every game, you will have less to worry about when you start winning big. Making money through gambling may seem impossible at first, but if you risk only what you can afford to lose, you will have less to worry about.

To avoid scammers, make sure you practice your gambling skills on a reputable gambling website, I know some scammers have come up with attractive new gambling websites, and they have it in mind to never run the platform for too long, the only way to avoid them is using reliable gambling websites only.

Also, try to understand that you can't always win, it's a big loss for casino runners if all players keep winning.
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March 09, 2023, 11:35:24 AM
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You are scamming yourself op thanks to your delusional thoughts which are silly and dumb frankly speaking. If probably fair systems were truly unfair as you mentioned, those sites would have gone out of business a long time ago.

Why? Because not all gamblers are naive and gullible. Many of them including me check whether such systems are truly fair or not before deciding to invest in those sites.

Some of them turn out to be legit while some turn out to be unfair. Do your research!

The video doesn't cheat, as it is true that some casinos manipulate every single bet, but it is made to give the impression that this is something common for all betting platforms, so it is normal that the OP thinks that way.

On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.

Moral: every single casino out there is designed to win money no matter the good or bad luck of their clients, but some of them more than others. In any case, play responsibly.

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March 09, 2023, 11:54:17 AM
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You are scamming yourself op thanks to your delusional thoughts which are silly and dumb frankly speaking. If probably fair systems were truly unfair as you mentioned, those sites would have gone out of business a long time ago.

Why? Because not all gamblers are naive and gullible. Many of them including me check whether such systems are truly fair or not before deciding to invest in those sites.

Some of them turn out to be legit while some turn out to be unfair. Do your research!

The video doesn't cheat, as it is true that some casinos manipulate every single bet, but it is made to give the impression that this is something common for all betting platforms, so it is normal that the OP thinks that way.

On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.

Moral: every single casino out there is designed to win money no matter the good or bad luck of their clients, but some of them more than others. In any case, play responsibly.
Well, for me personally, I've never really cared to know if a casino is probably fair or not, possibly because I don't know how to check this as well.
Knowing that casinos are designed to win in the long run, makes me put fun first when ever I decide to play some gambling games, this helps me not to count the losses as anything since i know beforehand that the losses are natural.

When winning money becomes paramount in my head, I go for betting instead, since I know that betting depends more on how good you know the team you are betting on, likewise a very small amount of luck.

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March 09, 2023, 12:45:30 PM
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You are scamming yourself op thanks to your delusional thoughts which are silly and dumb frankly speaking. If probably fair systems were truly unfair as you mentioned, those sites would have gone out of business a long time ago.

Why? Because not all gamblers are naive and gullible. Many of them including me check whether such systems are truly fair or not before deciding to invest in those sites.

Some of them turn out to be legit while some turn out to be unfair. Do your research!

The video doesn't cheat, as it is true that some casinos manipulate every single bet, but it is made to give the impression that this is something common for all betting platforms, so it is normal that the OP thinks that way.

On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.

Moral: every single casino out there is designed to win money no matter the good or bad luck of their clients, but some of them more than others. In any case, play responsibly.
Well, for me personally, I've never really cared to know if a casino is probably fair or not, possibly because I don't know how to check this as well.
Knowing that casinos are designed to win in the long run, makes me put fun first when ever I decide to play some gambling games, this helps me not to count the losses as anything since i know beforehand that the losses are natural.

When winning money becomes paramount in my head, I go for betting instead, since I know that betting depends more on how good you know the team you are betting on, likewise a very small amount of luck.

Indeed, until it touches you, you will always assume that you have already checked and evaluated everything as required. But when faced with an unfair casino and losing your money there, you may have the illusion that this will not happen to you anymore and now you are already going to another gambling establishment in the hope of recouping, the truth is that there are actually not so many trusted online casinos.
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March 09, 2023, 02:11:17 PM
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Do not forget that casinos are more or less a business oriented organization. So therefore would want to make more profits to running the casino and also salary payment to her staff. Just like every individual, gamblers or bettors would want to make profit from gambling on casinos same it is applicable to casinos too. No one wants to loss. I some times feel the same way you too feel about casinos intentionally doing what they could to strap gamblers of their hard earned resources all in the name of gambling for fun. Although not all do it intentional but believe me you, they always want More gamblers to fail do they could make more profits to their coffers.  I think sometimes the issues of account ban and suspension must likely be that the casino might be running short of funds do would probably generate more funds from that act of theirs in banning and suspending accounts but they would not say it for us to know rather they would find fault and do the dirty job on people's account and funds.
The owner of every casin always thinking that they will not getting loss be cause for them casino is business and also like you said above they have many personal or let says staff which is they need to pay all of them. And one the best of casino is that banning suspicious accounts which is they get that specific accounts cheating and that's against the rules and regulations then that will automatically banned that account .

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March 09, 2023, 03:57:53 PM
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We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts

Not all casinos cheat their players; there are some scam casinos. Still, when choosing an online gambling site, it's essential to consider factors such as reputation, licensing, and player reviews. It's also necessary to set a budget and gamble responsibly.
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You are scamming yourself op thanks to your delusional thoughts which are silly and dumb frankly speaking. If probably fair systems were truly unfair as you mentioned, those sites would have gone out of business a long time ago.

Why? Because not all gamblers are naive and gullible. Many of them including me check whether such systems are truly fair or not before deciding to invest in those sites.

Some of them turn out to be legit while some turn out to be unfair. Do your research!

The video doesn't cheat, as it is true that some casinos manipulate every single bet, but it is made to give the impression that this is something common for all betting platforms, so it is normal that the OP thinks that way.

On the other hand, I don't know how you assess if a casino is truly provably fair or not; I am incapable to do that because my technical skills are ridiculous, but maybe you can search on their code for inconsistencies.

Moral: every single casino out there is designed to win money no matter the good or bad luck of their clients, but some of them more than others. In any case, play responsibly.
We should think that the casino is proven to be fair rather than thinking of things that can affect the pleasure we will get from gambling. And if he still thinks something is wrong with the casino, he can move to other casinos that can better guarantee that what they do is fair. But if he remains like that and can't control his mind, he should not have to play gambling rather than he goes crazy just because he thinks proven fair or cheating.

It will not stop there because he must think that if he loses gambling, it is because the casino is cheating on him and maybe he will complain to the public even though he is the one who loses because he is disadvantaged. We know that gambling is a profitable business for casino owners and we should not gamble with big money so that we don't think things.

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