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March 17, 2023, 07:13:20 PM
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Casinos work very similarly to amusement park games wherein you have higher odds of losing. Games are intentionally created with the slight advantage of the casino over the player because this is business. It costs to operate, maintain, and subscribe to game providers. They also tend to lose if player(s) can hit multiple big wins. This is why people should not see gambling as a source of income.

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March 17, 2023, 08:47:12 PM
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Most of the casino was based on the program.They will allow to win lesser amounts and make some loss at high level.I had mean this for the trusted website,this strategy was used by the worth ethics Gambling sites.Which target on the money as compared to the ethical things.And expecting the profit from the gambling is also not a good one.If you expect the fun from the gambling,the gambling will gives you fun.It also gives you the thrill on the game.Since you are using the real money,you should build your own tactics.
I also believe that as a player you must build your own tactics , I have searched a lot on gambling pages , but there is no strategy that can be adapted to what I want, but there are no strategies that are functional with 100% effectiveness, I don't see something like that statistic,but it's normal because otherwise the casinos would go bankrupt, but there are players who don't play much, they only place their bets every 8 or 10 days but they make them with a Large amount of money, And so they win or lose, they don't care.

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March 17, 2023, 09:04:06 PM
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Casinos are just like every other business and at they will easily set the system to support only themselves and protect the interest of the casino's revenue generation is the primary aim of casinos so at that it will be better if we have the mindset of losing to the house but not all the time.

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March 17, 2023, 09:48:11 PM
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Casinos work very similarly to amusement park games wherein you have higher odds of losing. Games are intentionally created with the slight advantage of the casino over the player because this is business. It costs to operate, maintain, and subscribe to game providers. They also tend to lose if player(s) can hit multiple big wins. This is why people should not see gambling as a source of income.

Gambling operators see gambling as a source of income and actually, it is a good source of income if we are the one hosting the gambling games.  As a player, I agree with you that we should think twice if we want gambling as our source of income because more often than not, we are bound to lose since there is a house edge that makes the house at an advantageous position especially when we are gambling in the long run.

But regardless, I still believe reputable casinos are not scamming us and don't lie about the provably fair thing.
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March 17, 2023, 09:50:49 PM
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Casinos are just like every other business and at they will easily set the system to support only themselves and protect the interest of the casino's revenue generation is the primary aim of casinos so at that it will be better if we have the mindset of losing to the house but not all the time.
They're here to make money and business and that's why if there's a need to modify their algorithm from someone who's been winning against them, that should be changed for them per se. But to say that they're scamming us? This has become an expression of many frustrated gamblers every time they lose. We have to change this type of complain if we think that they're playing against us, we're gambling and you should be wary that you can really be frustrated through losing and that's the part where we can't change as this is a business setup for making money and not to let all of their players win with every game that they bet. There's fairness on this but we just know that the house always wins no matter how many good bettors are there that keeps on winning, there will always be those bettors that shall have the opposite result through losing.


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March 18, 2023, 01:39:40 AM
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So self-control is the most important thing we must have in any case, not just in gambling, so we can think long and not rush into decisions. And when we feel very angry because of our loss at gambling, we have to leave immediately before things end badly.


That is the most difficult thing to do,when we are in our rage of losing money in gambling and I am talking when we are playing slot machines because in sport betting it is more easy to quit because they take more time as bets to develop (you have to wait for the game to end) but when in slot machines and we are in the middle of the biggest rage which come from our continuous losses it is extremely difficult to quit right there,usually we end up raising our bets and making false promises to ourselves that we will only hit the spin button just a couple of times more when in reality we keep hitting that button until every single penny is lost.

When one of us masters the art of leaving a slot machine in the middle of the rage he is saved from the worse endings that the people who continue to play face.
Yes, I think almost all slot players have experienced being in that situation and it's difficult to stop amid continuous losses because our emotions are provoked to keep playing and trying to recover from losses. But instead of being able to recover losses, we will be stuck in a very difficult condition to decide because there is a whisper in our ear that says that our next round must be lucky and that causes us not to want to stop even though we have experienced defeat before.

But when we have had a lot of experience in that situation, we can try to calm down and maybe a glass of water can reduce the tension caused by the defeat and the mounting emotions. And if the tension can decrease after drinking the water, we better think about stopping immediately to reduce the losses that can get bigger.

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March 18, 2023, 01:51:01 AM
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Casinos are just like every other business and at they will easily set the system to support only themselves and protect the interest of the casino's revenue generation is the primary aim of casinos so at that it will be better if we have the mindset of losing to the house but not all the time.
it is not easy to set a system in a casino business mate because this is full of important skills and knowledge to conduct , because if this is just like other business to set up then maybe half of us here are having a casino business now.
but what you have said is correct that only the generation of money is what they are concerned and just a bit for the players concern.
money will always be the main purpose as like what all business is.









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March 18, 2023, 03:01:00 AM
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Cases like this often happen, regardless of anything, things like this are very difficult to prevent as long as we always rely on emotions in the game. In the end, as you said, blaming the site is one of the most common actions taken because it is considered to hinder victory, even though it is. is just an alibi to cover up our frustration because we put too much emotion in the game which in the end looks for scapegoats in losing gambling.
Sometimes when you keep winning you tend to be too emotional while playing, just like what happened to me the other day. I was gambling for a measly amount of $5 and manage to make it into $2,000. I didn't stop there and continued playing, it reached $10,000 and was still enjoying the game, until I was on a lose streak and I only manage to stop when it reached $1,500. Though regrets followed me that night it was still a nice profit in the end.

Also when luck is smiling upon you, you must know when to gamble all the way, coz as far as I'm concern, luck also plays a big role when you are gambling.
Things like this are definitely bound to happen because of course we as humans always want more and are greedy, especially when we have made a huge profit.
Regret is definitely there but that is not an answer I think because indeed if we only regret but without any changes things like that will definitely happen again and again. At least there must be lessons that can still be taken so that we have more positive conditions even though it is likely to be repeated in a not short time but with the conditions that have been experienced at least we can remember that greed will not have a positive impact in the end.
btw from $ 5 to $ 1500 is also still a big profit, congrats on your big win buddy.

Cases like this often happen, regardless of anything, things like this are very difficult to prevent as long as we always rely on emotions in the game. In the end, as you said, blaming the site is one of the most common actions taken because it is considered to hinder victory, even though it is. is just an alibi to cover up our frustration because we put too much emotion in the game which in the end looks for scapegoats in losing gambling.
gamblers who cannot control their emotions are usually gamblers who always chase defeat and they will continue to bet with their emotions until the defeat is achieved. whereas chasing defeat will only be a waste of time. the longer you stay in the casino, the more you lose.
I agree with this, lingering in the casino for both offline and online is the same in the end only for defeat even though we might have won before.
This is where you have to be aware because sometimes things like this escape our awareness. we stop not only when we lose but we must also try to apply to stop when we win.

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well, finally gamblers who always bet with their emotions will lose all their money and valuables. After frustration and stress, he will blame the casino or accuse as if the casino cheated him, even though it was his own fault, too chasing defeat.
This is where causes start to appear when we say we were trapped by gambling and feel cheated by it, even though we already had options before but we forgot so when we lose it's clear that there must be a scapegoat there to blame Cheesy right?
Thanks for the kind words. Still there're lingering regrets I have but only a little bit, coz what would've happen if I wasn't greedy that night right? or what could've I've done if I let my emotions get the better of me? Well, as you've said in the end it is still a nice profit and would love to experience it once more, but somehow I'm hesitating coz I'm sure it wont ever be the same like last time, and what would be the result if by doing small bets all my accumulated loss would equal to the amount I won from that night? it would look like I didn't gain anything. I'll just try again but I wont expect too much, maybe I'll get lucky.
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March 18, 2023, 10:37:35 AM
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well, finally gamblers who always bet with their emotions will lose all their money and valuables. After frustration and stress, he will blame the casino or accuse as if the casino cheated him, even though it was his own fault, too chasing defeat.

I agree that it is very likely that at some point such gamblers will lose everything, but let's not forget that it is not guaranteed. First off, what time period we are talking about? If it's a several hours long one gambling session, I definitely want to object. But if its months of continuous gambling, I mean, 10-12 hours per day, then, yes, it is almost guaranteed that you will lose all your money, even if no one is scamming you or something.

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March 18, 2023, 11:32:30 AM
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Casinos are just like every other business and at they will easily set the system to support only themselves and protect the interest of the casino's revenue generation is the primary aim of casinos so at that it will be better if we have the mindset of losing to the house but not all the time.
Well, I disagree with you mate, understand that casinos are not responsible for some of the games we play, most especially, sports betting, if casinos programed their system to only win and never loose, most of the casinos wouldn't support sports betting since they will likely loose their money to the bettor when ever the bettor is right with their bet, or maybe they could refuse to pay whenever the gambler wins his or her bet.

In conclusion, most casinos do offer their users a provably fair casino gaming, which simply means its not in their hand to determine who wins or loses while playing their casino games, though this does not dispute the fact that  there are still some scam casinos that find a way to tweak their system in  a way that gamblers keep losing money, but understand this is not something that is general with casinos, like i said, its some, and such casinos should be avoided whenever gamblers discover them.

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March 18, 2023, 12:06:46 PM
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well, finally gamblers who always bet with their emotions will lose all their money and valuables. After frustration and stress, he will blame the casino or accuse as if the casino cheated him, even though it was his own fault, too chasing defeat.

I agree that it is very likely that at some point such gamblers will lose everything, but let's not forget that it is not guaranteed. First off, what time period we are talking about? If it's a several hours long one gambling session, I definitely want to object. But if its months of continuous gambling, I mean, 10-12 hours per day, then, yes, it is almost guaranteed that you will lose all your money, even if no one is scamming you or something.

It's simple logic - casinos have the house edge, so regardless of how many hours you are gambling, you will still lose in the long run. You don't count your wins and losses per day but your overall performance. So, if you really want to know how you are doing, you need to record your ins and outs so you can calculate if you are in profit or not.

This is gambling, that's why it's called entertainment - just for us not to feel bad when we lose. But if we are ambitious enough to think we can make a living in gambling, then we should understand the risk.

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Casinos work very similarly to amusement park games wherein you have higher odds of losing. Games are intentionally created with the slight advantage of the casino over the player because this is business. It costs to operate, maintain, and subscribe to game providers. They also tend to lose if player(s) can hit multiple big wins. This is why people should not see gambling as a source of income.
You are absolutely right.I like the amusement park comparison sounds cool.For me personally the game should be fun in the first place,I don’t think about the source of profit if something turns out to win, it’s like a nice bonus and nothing more. For me, gambling is just like a hobby and spending time with pleasure.

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March 18, 2023, 02:49:02 PM
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Casinos are just like every other business and at they will easily set the system to support only themselves and protect the interest of the casino's revenue generation is the primary aim of casinos so at that it will be better if we have the mindset of losing to the house but not all the time.
Accepting reality allows us to be realistic all the time. The problem for some of us is that we think we can beat the casino. That's why when we lose, we tend to become emotional and cannot accept it. Chasing our losses can lead to losing everything we have, especially if we gamble what we cannot afford to lose.

In gambling, winning is not an everyday occurrence. That's why it's important to control our emotions, especially when we experience losses, as regrets often follow. If we cannot learn from our mistakes, we should not blame the casino for scamming us because that is unfair.

My opinion is based on the assumption that we are talking about a legitimate casino.
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March 18, 2023, 03:07:44 PM
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We really like to play gambling online , and there are lot of crypto gambling sites out there ,
many times i doubted the provably fair system,  that these casinos are cheating me, but what can i do ,
i come across this YouTube video that a biggest gambling site supervisor telling the truth about these sites,
that they analyze our bets and try to make us lose ,
what are your thoughts ,
i know provably system but many times i doubted it, i don't know this person is talking about crypto gambling or not but may be it also applies in crypto gambling.
most of you also may doubted the casino ,
video: https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M
I don't think that the casinos are openly deceiving us, that is, such conditions are created that it is almost impossible to win. Is it some kind of scam if you yourself bring money to them and leave money with them? Then don't play by their rules, that is, don't gamble in the casino at all.

Purely technically, nothing prevents the casino from pushing players to lose. In general, this whole industry is aimed at making players lose and enrich the casino. So they have clear motives to cheat in every possible way and without the players knowing it.

Is it really? It’s easier for me not to even try to check, because I realize at the expense of whose money the casino operates and I don’t want mine to be among it.

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March 18, 2023, 03:22:18 PM
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This is gambling, that's why it's called entertainment - just for us not to feel bad when we lose. But if we are ambitious enough to think we can make a living in gambling, then we should understand the risk.
There are lots of assumptions about gambling, some call it entertainment and fun, some really expect big things from gambling or use gambling as their place to make a living.
But it all depends on the gamblers themselves because everyone has their own goals and ways of thinking.
Not only when you have the ambition to make a living, but for fun entertainment, you also have to understand the risks because in gambling we use money to be able to play, so financial management is very important and needed by gambling players.
Usually those who are really involved in gambling will be able to accept and be responsible for all the risks that will occur.

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March 18, 2023, 03:29:54 PM
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Usually those who are really involved in gambling will be able to accept and be responsible for all the risks that will occur.

This is not the reality, Most of the people that heavily involved in gambling loss their funds and even life savings on worst case. Only streamers manage to play gambling extravagantly due to their partnership to the casino that gives them extra credit to play and endorse gambling games.

Most of the addicted gambler know the risk but they usually ignores it by keep betting in the quest to get rich.

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March 18, 2023, 03:37:55 PM
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Casinos work very similarly to amusement park games wherein you have higher odds of losing. Games are intentionally created with the slight advantage of the casino over the player because this is business. It costs to operate, maintain, and subscribe to game providers. They also tend to lose if player(s) can hit multiple big wins. This is why people should not see gambling as a source of income.
You are absolutely right.I like the amusement park comparison sounds cool.For me personally the game should be fun in the first place,I don’t think about the source of profit if something turns out to win, it’s like a nice bonus and nothing more. For me, gambling is just like a hobby and spending time with pleasure.
That's great if you can think of gambling as entertainment so you don't focus on chasing victory but only enjoy gambling games.
So whatever the result, we can accept it well and have no regrets because, for example, we lose.
We already realize that in gambling, there are only wins and losses, so we will not cross that line.
If people could think of gambling as entertainment, surely they would be fine and the number of addicts who are addicted to gambling could decrease.
But sadly, that's hard to be true because some people they think of gambling as a way to get quick money when it's not.

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March 18, 2023, 05:12:02 PM
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We already realize that in gambling, there are only wins and losses, so we will not cross that line.
If people could think of gambling as entertainment, surely they would be fine and the number of addicts who are addicted to gambling could decrease.
But sadly, that's hard to be true because some people they think of gambling as a way to get quick money when it's not.
So any facts found in the gambling system according to the OP's statement are based on video reviews from YouTube, but we agree with your discussion above that we place gambling only as entertainment and not passive income, so we choose sports gambling because pure winnings are determined based on match scores and not from the casino system.

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March 19, 2023, 10:09:57 AM
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We already realize that in gambling, there are only wins and losses, so we will not cross that line.
If people could think of gambling as entertainment, surely they would be fine and the number of addicts who are addicted to gambling could decrease.
But sadly, that's hard to be true because some people they think of gambling as a way to get quick money when it's not.
So any facts found in the gambling system according to the OP's statement are based on video reviews from YouTube, but we agree with your discussion above that we place gambling only as entertainment and not passive income, so we choose sports gambling because pure winnings are determined based on match scores and not from the casino system.

Yes, but bookmakers sometimes cheat, as well as the sports clubs themselves involved in match-fixing, you can also lose your money in sports betting as well as in online casino slot machines, provided that you really strive for a quick income.

Well, of course, if you do it moderately and under the mood, then yes, it can be fun.
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March 20, 2023, 05:24:01 PM
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Casinos are just like every other business and at they will easily set the system to support only themselves and protect the interest of the casino's revenue generation is the primary aim of casinos so at that it will be better if we have the mindset of losing to the house but not all the time.
it is not easy to set a system in a casino business mate because this is full of important skills and knowledge to conduct , because if this is just like other business to set up then maybe half of us here are having a casino business now.
but what you have said is correct that only the generation of money is what they are concerned and just a bit for the players concern.
money will always be the main purpose as like what all business is.
What do you guys actually expect? Should casinos let themselves go bankrupt and out of business? They wouldn't do that, and to be honest, casinos don't hide the fact that they have an advantage over the players, they call it the house edge and almost every casino has it, for some, it is quite lower while for others it's higher. It also differs from every other game that you play in a casino.

So the house definitely has an edge over the gamblers, and almost every gambler understands this they still gamble because this isn't considered cheating if they are open about it as it is a part of the business.

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