worried about downloading blockchain...

[Macadonian]

If you plan on running the a node 24/7 you could run it on Tails but if it ever crashed or you turned it off the blockchain would not be saved on the next boot because of how tails works and if you are doing it in a location where running a node is illegal it would still be illegal to do it.

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[Wind_FURY]

2. Lenient/flexible government should understand your intention is running Bitcoin node, not intentionally storing inappropriate content. If running Tor exit node is legal on your country, it's less likely you'll face trouble.

But the question, can Ordinals, if used to inscribe child-porn in the blockchain and build a Darknet market place for it, be used as an attack vector by State-Attackers to give them a reason to order users to shut down their nodes because "aiding and abetting the child-porn market"?

Yes, any government (especially authoritarian ones) could use any kind of excuse to justify their action. Although if they're not stupid, they should realize they only waste their resource since user can use VPN/Tor or even host it elsewhere.

OK, then the State-Attackers should find easier targets who are publicly known to run full nodes = Miners and Mining Pools.

I have been playing the Devil's Advocate against those who hate Ordinals, I don't like it too, and I believe Casey Rodarmor's "hack", although remarkable, has opened attack vectors that WILL be used against the participants of the network.

[ABCbits]

One could in a new core version,
Simply encrypted the blockchain with AES.
The own private key for the wallet would also be suitable as an AES key.
Then no government of the world could decipher its blockchain.

Apart from that, everyone who is afraid can simply encrypt their hard drive.

Does upcoming Bitcoin Core have such feature? Could you point link to discussion or pull request?

Not that I know of.
But I would welcome it if someone submits such a proposal and he is discussed.

I see. But it's hard to imagine such proposal would be accepted when it reduce performance (especially on HDD) and increase maintenance burden when they could just suggest user to use encrypted provided by OS or certain software.

One could in a new core version,
Simply encrypted the blockchain with AES.
The own private key for the wallet would also be suitable as an AES key.
Then no government of the world could decipher its blockchain.

Apart from that, everyone who is afraid can simply encrypt their hard drive.

Encrypt the blockchain data on your hard drive, how would other nodes read your encrypted data? If it's accessible for other nodes, it will be accessible to everyone, you can't hide/ lock the data if you want to maintain a node.

The data would be decrypted by full node software before it's being used for any purpose. So in practice other node doesn't even know your node store blockchain data in encrypted manner.

Yes, any government (especially authoritarian ones) could use any kind of excuse to justify their action. Although if they're not stupid, they should realize they only waste their resource since user can use VPN/Tor or even host it elsewhere.

OK, then the State-Attackers should find easier targets who are publicly known to run full nodes = Miners and Mining Pools.

Users above us already mention pool usually run on least hostile country while most miner don't run full node.

[ABCbits]

Ok, I understand your point of view that is correct with the performacne. But I still think that it would be a good idea, at least if it is implemented correctly.
The encryption on HDD would always be optional, so that the user can decide whether to encrypt or not.
There should then be a switch in the settings.

In principle, it would be an optional additional function, which is even switched off via dafault.
The update would therefore not change anything for those who do not switch it on. You could even implement these things by plugIn.
Is there a plugIn API for the core?

Nothing would change the protocol. So it would be a simple change that would contain very few risk.

I agree it's good idea and would be nice if such feature is available. But looking at few old discussion[1-2], Bitcoin user/Bitcoin Core contributor had similar thought with mine. As for plugin, AFAIK such feature/API isn't exist.

[1] https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/46
[2] https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9844

[Wind_FURY]

Yes, any government (especially authoritarian ones) could use any kind of excuse to justify their action. Although if they're not stupid, they should realize they only waste their resource since user can use VPN/Tor or even host it elsewhere.

OK, then the State-Attackers should find easier targets who are publicly known to run full nodes = Miners and Mining Pools.

Users above us already mention pool usually run on least hostile country while most miner don't run full node.

That's not the point, and running a node in a "least hostile country" isn't really the technical solution. The point is, is it another attack vector that State-Attackers could/would use to stop Bitcoin? Because obviously it is. Ordinals is just starting to be an issue, and if it generates something that will bring Bitcoin down, the name that that will be remembered is Casey Roarmor. It will be unfair to him, because the "feature" found in Taproot would have been found by any other developer, sooner or later.

[Wind_FURY]

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That's not the point, and running a node in a "least hostile country" isn't really the technical solution. The point is, is it another attack vector that State-Attackers could/would use to stop Bitcoin? Because obviously it is.

I get your point. But just like pirating, usually it'll turn into cat and mouse problem where government only reduce total hashrate and occasionally temporary disrupt it's service. Besides if that happens on many country, i expect P2Pool could be revived.

Ordinals is just starting to be an issue, and if it generates something that will bring Bitcoin down, the name that that will be remembered is Casey Roarmor. It will be unfair to him, because the "feature" found in Taproot would have been found by any other developer, sooner or later.

Ordinals by itself cannot generate anything. It requires human intervention to put arbitrary data into Bitcoin blockchain using Ordinals protocol.

I never said Ordinals is "evil/bad", I merely said in other topics that it could be used as an attack vector to disrupt/congest the network. It's a remarkable "hack" from a technical viewpoint, but dangerous. Plus I never said Casey Rodarmor is also evil/bad for discovering a feature in software that could be used than what it was built for, but if the network was brought down because of something developed from Ordinals I'm merely saying, we will remember the name Casey Rodarmor.

[Jason Brendon]

Simply encrypted the blockchain with AES.

How do you encrypt this 500gb data?

[Wind_FURY]

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Ordinals by itself cannot generate anything. It requires human intervention to put arbitrary data into Bitcoin blockchain using Ordinals protocol.

I never said Ordinals is "evil/bad", I merely said in other topics that it could be used as an attack vector to disrupt/congest the network. It's a remarkable "hack" from a technical viewpoint, but dangerous. Plus I never said Casey Rodarmor is also evil/bad for discovering a feature in software that could be used than what it was built for, but if the network was brought down because of something developed from Ordinals I'm merely saying, we will remember the name Casey Rodarmor.

My previous reply only mention technical inaccuracy though. I didn't assume/accuse you said something "bad" about Ordinal/Casey Rodarmor.

Of course, and OK, I will go with the thinking that "Ordinals itself is not the problem" - because I AGREE/I have debated for it, and "it requires human invervention to put arbitrary data into the Bitcoin blockchain", then if the "human intervention" comes through the State-Attackers themselves, and with a plan on which mining-pools/miners to target then obviously Ordinals has made it easier to target participants of the network. Perhaps exchanges could be another possible target? Full nodes that matter.

[larry_vw_1955]

I have been reading some news items about ordinals, and how some bad actors are using them to upload very inappropriate content to the blockchain

where did you read that and did they provide a list of the inscription numbers? if not then they are probably just making it up. most of the ordinals are just monkeys...

[mailsats]

I have been reading some news items about ordinals, and how some bad actors are using them to upload very inappropriate content to the blockchain

where did you read that and did they provide a list of the inscription numbers? if not then they are probably just making it up. most of the ordinals are just monkeys...

I didn't see any inscription numbers quoted... I was referring to this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGA1mJm4tQk&t=1s

[larry_vw_1955]

I didn't see any inscription numbers quoted... I was referring to this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGA1mJm4tQk&t=1s

his video sounded reasonable until he got on a bit of a soapbox and chided people for wanting to get out of bitcoin and use fedcoin instead. no need to beat people over the head if they don't want to have the liability of storing imagines of monkeys...