(IDEAS?) What to do with auction proceeds for ScamKey victims

[YodasRedRocket]

How were they victims of the yogging? This is getting ridiculous lol

They’re the only reason we’re having this conversation lol

But that’s why we need to vote. 

[YodasRedRocket]

How were they victims of the yogging? This is getting ridiculous lol

They’re the only reason we’re having this conversation lol

But that’s why we need to vote. 

Obviously a donator to charity auctions would only get a coin or card if we made one… that’s continent on what the choice is for what we do with the funds.

[YodasRedRocket]

Ok, feel free to add these… this is my best & final remedy.  If nothing else, there would be enough data to make a final vote.  Everyone else can take it from here ✌🏼

2 Polls

Who benefits?

*Multiple Answers*
1. Everyone who was rugged
2. Everyone who lost premium due to peeling after warning (includes rugged people bc they also lost premium)
3. Everyone who never received a purchased item or funding from Yogg
4. Everyone who gave Yogg a business loan
5. Everyone who donated items to charity auctions (if it’s a coin, card or raffle)
6. Everyone who beats the shit out of Yogg’s bitch-ass (kidding of course ?)

Remedy?

*One Answer*
1. Pay back rugged people who refused cygans’s & remainder goes to coin or card
2. Pay back rugged people who refused cygans’s & remainder goes to raffle
3. Collectible coin or card
4. Raffle with one winner
5. Raffle with multiple winners
6. Distribute funds directly to chosen people in poll 1 with details to be determined
7. Donate all to a reputable charity
8. Other (please specify)

[krogothmanhattan]

Ok, feel free to add these… this is my best & final remedy.  If nothing else, there would be enough data to make a final vote.  Everyone else can take it from here ✌🏼

2 Polls

Who benefits?

*Multiple Answers*
1. Everyone who was rugged
2. Everyone who lost premium due to peeling after warning (includes rugged people bc they also lost premium)
3. Everyone who never received a purchased item or funding from Yogg
4. Everyone who gave Yogg a business loan
5. Everyone who donated items to charity auctions (if it’s a coin, card or raffle)
6. Everyone who beats the shit out of Yogg’s bitch-ass (kidding of course ?)

Remedy?

*One Answer*
1. Pay back rugged people who refused cygans’s & remainder goes to coin or card
2. Pay back rugged people who refused cygans’s & remainder goes to raffle
3. Collectible coin or card
4. Raffle with one winner
5. Raffle with multiple winners
6. Distribute funds directly to chosen people in poll 1 with details to be determined
7. Donate all to a reputable charity
8. Other (please specify)

 Like most of these....  My opinion is as follows...

  Remedy..in this order

  Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)
  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.

  Not sure there is enough BTC to cover premiums lost and that would be quite difficult in determining and also who gets what, but its an opinion and it counts as well and should be considered of course.

  I do not like the idea of a raffle or a coin etc etc etc. I think we should send the BTC back to the collectors who lost BTC directly. BTC for BTC so to speak. These are my opinions and I mean no offense in stating the opposite..so I respect everyones opinion as we are all victims here. Starting a poll would be the best way going forward once everyone chimes in. Cheers

  

  

[minerjones]

 Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)
  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.

  Not sure there is enough BTC to cover premiums lost and that would be quite difficult in determining and also who gets what, but its an opinion and it counts as well and should be considered of course.

  I do not like the idea of a raffle or a coin etc etc etc. I think we should send the BTC back to the collectors who lost BTC directly. BTC for BTC so to speak. These are my opinions and I mean no offense in stating the opposite..so I respect everyones opinion as we are all victims here. Starting a poll would be the best way going forward once everyone chimes in. Cheers  

 0.40030 Balance
-0.07500 Paying back refused funds (12 x 0.00625)
              (Hookz x6, chronicsky x4, Mitchell x2)
-0.26250 Paying back cygan (42 x 0.00625)
-0.09755 Raffle ticket payback for 3 users
              (chronicsky x 12, Hookzup1 x 12, geophphreigh x 15)
--------------------------------
-0.03475 funds left


Data taken from this post by cygan: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434598.0

Confirmed from chronicsky that they returned the funds for their 2x silver sets and the raffle tickets to cygan

I have updated the above to reflect that.

The chart on the main post by cygan needs to be updated:

?? - silver halving set #24 - chronicsky (refused) 0.00625 btc
?? - silver halving set #24 - chronicsky (refused) 0.00625 btc
?? - silver halving set #25 - chronicsky (refused) 0.00625 btc
?? - silver halving set #25 - chronicsky (refused) 0.00625 btc


12 Coldkey raffle tickets - chronicsky (refused)  0.03 btc
12 Coldkey raffle tickets - Hookzup1 (refused)  0.03 btc
15 Coldkey raffle tickets - geophphreigh (refunded) ?? btc

[Hookzup1]

I'm over trying to keep up with this clown show, I've tried to help as much as I can. Mj has my btc address if he decides to refund me for any of my swept halving sets or 12 raffle cards i paid for as I see those are now being included. Good luck figuring this out, im headed to work for more cheap sats 😉

[cygan]

✂
The chart on the main post by cygan needs to be updated:

?? - silver halving set #24 - chronicsky (refunded)
?? - silver halving set #24 - chronicsky (refunded)
?? - silver halving set #25 - chronicsky (refunded)
?? - silver halving set #25 - chronicsky (refunded)

not only from chronicsky but also from N8twon and ChiBitCTy i am still waiting for the addresses of the listed halving sets
all three of them were contacted by me at that time for this matter again

[MoparMiningLLC]

  Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)
  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.

 

I dont think there is enough to even cover half of the first point - let alone any of the rest.

but I also agree - there should be no raffle or drawing or w/e

But also how do you pick/choose who gets reimbursed when there simply is not enough to cover everyone?

What about all the buyers who do not come here but joined the forums specifically for lucho's set? Many of those may not know of what has happened yet.

[krogothmanhattan]

  Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)
  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.

 

I dont think there is enough to even cover half of the first point - let alone any of the rest.

but I also agree - there should be no raffle or drawing or w/e

But also how do you pick/choose who gets reimbursed when there simply is not enough to cover everyone?

What about all the buyers who do not come here but joined the forums specifically for lucho's set? Many of those may not know of what has happened yet.

  All excellent points....That is true and if they sold the sets then how do you notify whomever owns them now?

 

[ChiBitCTy]

I had accepted funds from Cygan under the impression that Yogg had decided to give some of the funds back. When I found out that wasn’t the case I didn’t want to keep the funds and returned them back to Cygan. I’m a bit confused by what’s being asked here or going on or whatever ..just wanted to share this.

[owlcatz]

I had accepted funds from Cygan under the impression that Yogg had decided to give some of the funds back. When I found out that wasn’t the case I didn’t want to keep the funds and returned them back to Cygan. I’m a bit confused by what’s being asked here of going on or whatever ..just wanted to share this.

I would have done the same my friend...

So I got rugged a silver set, #51 ...

Code:

Patrick	2020 Halving Serie	Silver Halving / Lucho	HALVING3-L.51	2020	BTC	bc1qhalvedt87eeylms62g4dr52rwrwqxfhcgkc6h4	0	$0.00																	
Patrick	2020 Halving Serie	Silver Halving / Lucho	HALVING3-R.51	2020	BTC	bc1qhalvedfm8sptr34gnx4hj8h6ph3py7qauvay2p	0	$0.00	

But that's all he got me for so considering the loss and everything else, I never wanted a refund from Cygan. Didn't feel right to me ofc..

Dont really care if I get it back, but just sayin Iguess.. 🤷‍♂️

Edit - I painfully peeled the golds after the intital scam went down, so i got that back at least ...  

[krogothmanhattan]

I’m a bit confused by what’s being asked here or going on or whatever ..just wanted to share this.

   This is what I suggested to do....

  Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .

   Thats for people like yourself that refused to take Cygan's BTC
  
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)

     Give back Cygan the BTC he gave to people like myself and others that did accept his BTC.

  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.
  

[YodasRedRocket]

I’m a bit confused by what’s being asked here or going on or whatever ..just wanted to share this.

   This is what I suggested to do....

  Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .

   Thats for people like yourself that refused to take Cygan's BTC
  
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)

     Give back Cygan the BTC he gave to people like myself and others that did accept his BTC.

  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.
  

Cygan was/is CEO of ColdShits.  I would imagine he received equipment or other proprietary intellectual property of value... maybe he can confirm or deny?  Also, he pushed ColdSweeps up until the end even when there were more warning signs privately than already discussed publicly.  I 100% disagree with your comment "had no reason to do so".   I do commend him for doing it quickly, but if he backed the bitch that was Yogg & there are future profits to be had from his investment in ColdCunts, his reimbursements were rightfully given.

[krogothmanhattan]

I’m a bit confused by what’s being asked here or going on or whatever ..just wanted to share this.

   This is what I suggested to do....

  Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .

   Thats for people like yourself that refused to take Cygan's BTC
  
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)

     Give back Cygan the BTC he gave to people like myself and others that did accept his BTC.

  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.
  

Cygan was/is CEO of ColdShits.  I would image he received equipment or other proprietary intellectual property of value... maybe he can confirm or deny?  Also, he pushed ColdSweeps up until the end even when there were more warning signs privately than already discussed publicly.  I 100% disagree with your comment "had no reason to do so".   I do commend him for doing it quickly, but if he backed the bitch that was Yogg & there are future profits to be had from his investment in ColdCunts, his reimbursements were rightfully given.

  Noted and understood. Thats my opinion and thus everyone has to have their say and then someone should run a poll to see how this is best distributed. I am all ears to what everyone else has to say as well.

[raritycheck]

 

What’s the final total BTC, please? And total how many community impacted users are there?

These are some of our suggestions
1. Create limited edition unload-able silver coins (we will do unique design proposals and people can chose). This design will never be reused. All work from our side will be for free as long as we are in budget.
2. Same option like 1 but loadable / buyer funded coins
3. Give the amount to chosen charity of impacted people. (Can be per person)
4. As someone mentioned order custom ballet cards.
5. Divide btc by total users and give to each user.
6. Bulk buy of known silver crypto coins like Niue coins, etc and give to impacted users.

Regards

  Great ideas to be considered....here is the BTC from the auctions as per MinerJones quote...

   

0.38875 Current balance
-0.00065 postage
-0.00190 postage
--------
 0.3862 true/adjusted balance
-0.4003 total bids
--------
-0.0141 outstanding bids

There are 2x bids for 0.013 and 0.0011 outstanding
Once we get those 2x payments, we will have our balance of 0.4003

Thank you.

Is there a count of total number of people impacted (and if possible loss per person)?

 

[cygan]

✂️
Cygan was/is CEO of ColdShits.  I would imagine he received equipment or other proprietary intellectual property of value... maybe he can confirm or deny?  
✂️

i can confirm that we have been in possession of the old Coldkey hardware for a few weeks now and it is only the printers, the ribbon shredder and the embosser.
the laptop with all the codes is still in Patrick's possession and we don't want to have it (for security reasons) in any case.

✂️
I do commend him for doing it quickly, but if he backed the bitch that was Yogg & there are future profits to be had from his investment in ColdCunts, his reimbursements were rightfully given.

at my time as ck-ceo, there were no activities or profits from coldkey (there were also no orders/sales) - i would also like to clarify this once again

[krogothmanhattan]

 Alrighty then!  We need more inputs on what to do here! All people affected by ColdScam should have their say here so we can get this over with and also move on ahead and leave this shameful part of collectable physical cryptos history in the rear view mirror.

[krogothmanhattan]

   Has a conclusion been agreed upon on this or is it still in limbo?

   Also MinerJones can you please tell us the balance now that Kialara has donated his proceeds to this?

    All that have been affected should have their say so please do as now is the time.

[YodasRedRocket]

   Has a conclusion been agreed upon on this or is it still in limbo?

   Also MinerJones can you please tell us the balance now that Kialara has donated his proceeds to this?

    All that have been affected should have their say so please do as now is the time.

There needs to be a poll or polls to decide.  There's a lot of people (most affected people) that lost premiums & if they don't get a dime, that would be a shame.

[krogothmanhattan]

  Has a conclusion been agreed upon on this or is it still in limbo?

   Also MinerJones can you please tell us the balance now that Kialara has donated his proceeds to this?

    All that have been affected should have their say so please do as now is the time.

There needs to be a poll or polls to decide.  There's a lot of people (most affected people) that lost premiums & if they don't get a dime, that would be a shame.

  I agree with you 100%%%

  But we need to decide what the poll will look like..

  My thoughts would be along these lines...

  Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)
  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.


   In that order......I can start a poll with that but I know others have different ideas...so need feedback