(IDEAS?) What to do with auction proceeds for ScamKey victims

[krogothmanhattan]

 First of thanks to Smoothie for organizing this Charity auction for anyone who was YOGGED! and also to everyone who donated their precious collectable

  to this event.

   I wanted to create this thread so all affected parties can place their input and then we can decide what is the appropriate and fair way to give out the

  proceeds.

   SO the question now is, how are or should the proceeds  be distributed.

  My thinking is as follows....

    For anyone whose cards were swept and did not get reimbursed by CYGAN, then they should be made whole.

    Once that is done, I feel CYGAN should be given back the BTC he doled out to cover guys like myself who did accept

   his BTC as they only wanted it back from Dogg.

    If there is any BTC leftover, then I say it should be given to the people who ordered cards and never received them.

    Those are just my two satoshi....Please feel free to add your thoughts and ideas and I am sure a consensus will be

    reached eventually that everyone is happy with.

  

[1715034019]

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[minerjones]

Is it possible to get an itemized list of who falls into which category and the outcome/response ?

This will help when funds are distributed and accounted for

Thank you

[JanEmil]

Finance ninja beatings

[Hookzup1]

Thank you krogothmanhattan for posting this as I didn't see us getting far without some sort of game plan.
I never accepted funds from cygan as I saw it as taking from another innocent victim but the auction made much more sense to me about getting some reimbursement for holding the directly affected halving sets that got yogged. I know the auction funds would not cover all the yogged sets but I made a list of all the ones I could find so members could post which they hold and obviously cygan being repaid for all the ones he covered

There may be more but these are the txids i could find from checking my affected halving sets

Jan 12 8:00 txid: c349e5c08ec76674f894886a4ab0207295109e0c15bf8e7719c16389fc0ca10e


bc1qhalvedmnl7kepcw2pfr3cj838tjan6rl4ggaxc,
bc1qhalvedte7dzhzqcpk6m62ngwzsghmqpsen8j82,
bc1qhalvedfs7cj7qr7jxhcrt9kmz4axu7uvrkvmqm,
  bc1qhalvedfdk0aap8a8ex04q2vjfqrk5qhmjt7dhc,
  bc1qhalveduz9xkczgw87z0eja2a6yccemajjqmt9a,
bc1qhalvedex22vk0hptzprd9hjy3fsqntwanf92sj,
bc1qhalved7rxhck0ayukp22lk4ws55vy69v4fxlxf,
bc1qhalvedn52vxv8gwjrr4zchwxc3qhsr0zu8ewmk,
bc1qhalved3v3clur92m502r8gahgegupulgt0a2z9,
bc1qhalvedy4v03xddvg5eq574y6vef4wx2yjka3g7,
bc1qhalvedd6yzf2jlzxxl2tr8sfxqvaz7qavevhlz,
bc1qhalvedlr525sjx0zlr09pzdtv8wtrqspa6lsdl,
bc1qhalvedywht258dhnckmw8zux09u5z242dfl5ey,
bc1qhalvedcj8fka3ytl7mg7wtz8m99ha23chg9jnl,
bc1qhalved2d37rz5jnwkwx7p8p3s0msshc39d02h8,
bc1qhalvedagxzw0jjshhaedgd89jw7gy3uhhazunz

Jan 12 9:32 txid: fad46a3df9f859dbdc56045c81f2fc557aafa04643753ba5aa15310ba41a9e04

  bc1qhalvedzhz6vhr3ax44rmzx9hvlt0ym3tz07kvp,
bc1qhalvedk57akyp67ljkyul8sd5lt48s2ls5nc57,
bc1qhalvedm8mma8dfcpe42cuedrz9254q0cyspghx,
bc1qhalved00m577ucget6gsy7zf7hwlr5kwc7m0gu,
bc1qhalvedvkg88nx9mt0fj8gu3gyvlzja5pp5fn8g,
bc1qhalvedlhvvsva40z7tmd0qccfcmzlgr6djl950,
bc1qhalvedwprmfjkwwuyp5ymysnjcehhhe4yg9kud,
bc1qhalvedldccefm22ayttzuf8eg8ayx62adgg0sn,
bc1qhalvedp9jcrwddt5yyv9h840reyyxnau2ju3fa,
bc1qhalvedx6dcs482uwpsclethd0nk03vp3sgrlvx,
bc1qhalved6uxsffuzewprxdlz4wq6t9kjtljmrpse,
bc1qhalvedx32fzrlevglamqnqu76jjl2av2379fqm,
bc1qhalvedz4k2cnpveh93rp4ha097h4mgx67nylvy



Jan 12 10:04 txid:
a1afdd4e5e667bad1c499038a3ef96d6f85f656b737c16e7addb783640b2dd31

bc1qhalved9qxuzun55easq5yy3c3kznztg46g9veu,
bc1qhalvedrvl4ydzshj2kxlddekmst5yv09ctywqk,
bc1qhalvedp4uvx268n5zhff7hlh7v76ns9myvrjz4,
bc1qhalvedvkfxm88ck4ggvkckl8ks2rfe7ypkpfxj,
bc1qhalvedvdjhwtw0yjz739dq7tyq6562wqjqfufc,
bc1qhalvedwuf8pa8wt03ueu7xzwg3n4ccqmpusz0r,
bc1qhalved273026cw5tf6umxulh9wzr2stfasml3n,
bc1qhalvedm00fvppz78k5jzeh4qf8748x7cafxvxm,
bc1qhalved8v87rnk7vlfspjt8knchrkjne2yxwzq7,
bc1qhalved7up2ycsexew74mvz5pd6wa9ny6sqluxf,
bc1qhalvedwtrr56u5tg9vfdny5ev80k6ha68pzp7w,
bc1qhalvedry7sykk6zvnujxjzk90xk99p9vgj9fch,
bc1qhalveddpzgn0lt8z0nssmagh455vxvqt8ry499,
bc1qhalvedfprksqe5cnd6a3rcljmh4acj36xx6xuy,
bc1qhalved59fv4lvkzkdu5p3xsq35tdcvudfj8uac,
bc1qhalved5fss8s42khvwnn5stm8aj6x985n4e3ea,
bc1qhalved0wtvv64fl0zfdeq0luwyp25c2l7mct7t,
bc1qhalvedva3dh5nllype4vzk2pvamwp2zve426ml,
bc1qhalvedkpsc94kxyzp6fd5lk04hv0spc87lvrxw,
bc1qhalvedzgg6vh5j4yzre8qe5jj5rlct4j0pj66z,
bc1qhalvedwt3v8ztezp57uz30nzca5yk2tpw3wlyp,
bc1qhalved69m40ypqr0lg8y2x3sjhevth3y5ale7l,
bc1qhalvedhshu8u9dgn09vfek2wvc6tdmzt3rcner,
bc1qhalved458fmnuuhdfv8lp0g27nsjjlg6csymwm,
bc1qhalved25z688ahju83m79pxqeedlt5sf0g66pn,
bc1qhalvedfm8sptr34gnx4hj8h6ph3py7qauvay2p,
bc1qhalvedt87eeylms62g4dr52rwrwqxfhcgkc6h4,
  bc1qhalvednz6fsckh72wlv96crt0q87msgxlyw8ye

Jan 12 3:22 txid: 23860be8c7bd7e1b05eb449d7e036c8cbd2dd7eeeac56590819df08a64ff4be7

bc1qhalvedcd5qe5xfeeq5dsf7ctw5fhefdfv652cp,
bc1qhalvede5ddnsq9uu2kvyfutpcydfzrpv5lsm7c,
bc1qhalvedtm7vwyttqnemnzwuvqrc0yhmkxt7ee9g,
bc1qhalveds5rskcvrlqapz6e2p6lgeyy6f9rk0p7p,
  bc1qhalved06e4j5c9mnww5tl8wg8nhshtdajhgy42,
  bc1qhalvedkz28f68cu3ejh6227gu0emrwekj0qf67,
bc1qhalvedv6ckf87syrumh9gqw05d9pe745zww7pz,
bc1qhalvedrn9fyhmyh4p8mv9z99hmfendzkzj2vse,
bc1qhalvedjsn03fy6p2qm7kpd887rx0dnrzu723ql,
bc1qhalvedlc9ndwzm5xx32g6x55n7felkq4g55esq

Feb 10 txid:
55e372858ba521e1f23fd44ba97a541fcc154d35041ad1fe02adab64df37665d


  bc1qhalved6j2fdckftlna4750hdnn0nhgyt73z9cq,
  bc1qhalvedez9f4llrl7dq977uqdnaa58t7fga3qqx,
bc1qhalvedmwqj2s8w8zwxyrk0skwf40tcg5ey5q9x,
bc1qhalved049lyyf0xfz8s696ec8z0qwvtsutagap,
bc1qhalved22x5wd4xrzlrjfpdtzejp8dk07ud8m2y,
bc1qhalved844kesg9p8gc89wdp9kj8u0l0xusqkrn,
bc1qhalvedhshtudcre7fndk0686vxm6gvpmz9amzg,
bc1qhalved2dss6w2pmwhujte9su57ssgy5x4u37z4,
bc1qhalvedkharzw2292r96gcv839jkfvu95dh6jw5,
bc1qhalved44dlwqcfszgtunwfd8urxpujavh9u2rj,
  bc1qhalvedsp6q2nn6ayzgn222cr0pxhv076p93r35,
  bc1qhalvedjnleuwzx3xuncvku0knljhmys6q58e5x,
  bc1qhalveder5a0y7mhq70r8y2u37ndkk4gvrad00q,
  bc1qhalveddge9y40purlq5ctvfmng9200ze2evr0f,
bc1qhalved7m6lrhf4d2f4lh0qq7sdw69d7pr5pljd,
bc1qhalvedurt85g8nn4zvmuvmuclrtcv7ltq8c38l,
bc1qhalved8whnwpxphem3rljczuyf6gs3twzvnvt6,
bc1qhalvedeukvsm26a096pgx09rzsecraf8uemh7q,
bc1qhalvedp07ancrf8dkfwj0laj4p9utyqrj4xz35,
bc1qhalvedmfxrtj9f0g6jwwshupzmqke4lapemd2y
I put a sad face next to my 12 that were swept by yogg and here is a picture of them all still assembled

https://imgur.com/a/T5mC9i8

Thanks a lot to smoothie, minerjones, cygan, krogothmanhattan, and everyone else that made this come together for the victims and have done what they can to help since the issue🙏

Maybe they can be crossed off or deleted as repaid 🤔

I also paid for and never recieved a set of the personal basorexia cards for 625 and 2 sets of crypto bonds, one for each of my daughter's future birthdays to be unlocked .001,.0025, and .005 funding and 100$ worth of btc for each set, all funding and fees paid up front but never recieved. There are other orders I never recieved but I don't care as these are the main 2 I was excited about


If someone can copy my list and cross-reference the cygan paid for wallets that would be great it's not very easy to do this using my phone and my boss has me working more than full time these days

[Cueneyt1986]

I was yogged too...
What should I do?

[MoparMiningLLC]

woohoo yet another thread about coldkey scam 

there are too many - I am giving up reading them all its the same thing repeated over and over just in multiple places - like a dozen broken records.

none of my cards were emptied by yogg

I lost premium due to the high purchase prices I paid for cards - I lost the 25 cards paid for that were never sent and I lost the .05 I loaned yogg.


But I am done with the thread after thread of repetitious postings of the same subject.

[krogothmanhattan]

  Thanks guys for the feedback! I am sure more people will chime in.

  I was made whole by Cygan when it came to the BTC never loaded or swept.

  If there are any leftovers after every one is made whole, I ordered two cards that were never shipped.

  @Cueneyt1986 I think you should post what cards were swept etc etc on this thread for all to see as proof of loss.

  I am not the one distributing the BTC from the auction...how its done and to whom is yet to be determined, thats why I created this thread

  to have it all organized in one place 

[OgNasty]

Finance ninja beatings

LOL. I’m sure Yogg probably appreciates seeing comments like this. I think you’re kidding, but there are a lot of crazies on the internet so don’t fire them up too much.

I’m a bit disappointed that Yogg didn’t stick around if this was just a bad gambling decision. I think those who call him a friend should talk him into joining a signature campaign and donating all of his proceeds to coldkey victims he stole from until they’re all paid back no matter how long it takes.

[YodasRedRocket]

Finance ninja beatings

LOL. I’m sure Yogg probably appreciates seeing comments like this. I think you’re kidding, but there are a lot of crazies on the internet so don’t fire them up too much.

I’m a bit disappointed that Yogg didn’t stick around if this was just a bad gambling decision. I think those who call him a friend should talk him into joining a signature campaign and donating all of his proceeds to coldkey victims he stole from until they’re all paid back no matter how long it takes.

Yogg's bitch ass stole another round of halvings in February!  I'm all for do-it-yourself beatings!  If anyone calls him a "friend" still, they're a damn fool!

[YodasRedRocket]

I think we should use the funds to do a custom ballet card with some cool art.  If Lucho doesn't want to participate & one of our talented artists like KryptoWerk didn't want to contribute, there's an idea below.  All extra funds are distributed to the cards.

Anyone who was swiped, peeled after warning, were due items from Yogg they never received & the charity auction donators all get one.

[PreciousMetapsICT]

I have a strict rule of not being friends with scammers or crackheads…. So for all I care Yogg can get fucked. Ninja beatings seem too nice


That is all  

[lebnor]

I was yogged too...
What should I do?

I was too and wondered the same thing until I decided to chalk it up as a lesson learned and let it go. Perceiving myself as a victim wasn’t something I was willing to do after “doing my own research”. That wasn’t my first rodeo and probably not my last.. Best of luck

[dozerz]

cheeky fentanyl add in yoggs next order thanks or happy with the $10 wrench also.

[owlcatz]

LOL. I’m sure Yogg probably appreciates seeing comments like this. I think you’re kidding, but there are a lot of crazies on the internet so don’t fire them up too much.

I’m a bit disappointed that Yogg didn’t stick around if this was just a bad gambling decision. I think those who call him a friend should talk him into joining a signature campaign and donating all of his proceeds to coldkey victims he stole from until they’re all paid back no matter how long it takes.

You don't get it and you clearly don't read replies. Yogg is NOT looking or logging into this forum at all. How Do I know that? Because I've posted it 10 times already and you're just a lazy shitposter for your 1 BTC a month from Stake.com... Get a real job loser...

<end shit on Ognasty shitposts>

For the record I was ONLY rugged of a silver set. Did I seek refund from cygan? No. Do I want him to refund me? Hell no. Do I care if I get refunded? Not really, I've suffered much greater losses TBH.

Anyhow, yogg will shortly be living in the shitty parts of paris with probably a needle in his arma few times a day. Fuck that guy.

I don't believe in dwelling on anger and negativity. I've already moved on. I suggest you all try to as well, as dwelling on this POS is not worth the time or typing energy. Not mention it's just a waste of Internet as well..
 

[YodasRedRocket]

Seriously though… KW’s design on a ballet with his permission & fund them for all affected!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434638.0

[krogothmanhattan]

I think we should use the funds to do a custom ballet card with some cool art.  If Lucho doesn't want to participate & one of our talented artists like KryptoWerk didn't want to contribute, there's an idea below.  All extra funds are distributed to the cards.

Anyone who was swiped, peeled after warning, were due items from Yogg they never received & the charity auction donators all get one.

  LOL that is a great design @Yodasredrocket ! That's also a good idea.

  I like all the ideas being posted and will go along with what the majority of the victims want to do.

  Eventually a decision has to be made especially now that the auctions are over.

  So please anyone who was affected and wants a say on what happens, please post your opinions! Cheers!

[raritycheck]

What’s the final total BTC, please? And total how many community impacted users are there?

These are some of our suggestions
1. Create limited edition unload-able silver coins (we will do unique design proposals and people can chose). This design will never be reused. All work from our side will be for free as long as we are in budget.
2. Same option like 1 but loadable / buyer funded coins
3. Give the amount to chosen charity of impacted people. (Can be per person)
4. As someone mentioned order custom ballet cards.
5. Divide btc by total users and give to each user.
6. Bulk buy of known silver crypto coins like Niue coins, etc and give to impacted users.

Regards

[krogothmanhattan]

What’s the final total BTC, please? And total how many community impacted users are there?

These are some of our suggestions
1. Create limited edition unload-able silver coins (we will do unique design proposals and people can chose). This design will never be reused. All work from our side will be for free as long as we are in budget.
2. Same option like 1 but loadable / buyer funded coins
3. Give the amount to chosen charity of impacted people. (Can be per person)
4. As someone mentioned order custom ballet cards.
5. Divide btc by total users and give to each user.
6. Bulk buy of known silver crypto coins like Niue coins, etc and give to impacted users.

Regards

  Great ideas to be considered....here is the BTC from the auctions as per MinerJones quote...

   

0.38875 Current balance
-0.00065 postage
-0.00190 postage
--------
 0.3862 true/adjusted balance
-0.4003 total bids
--------
-0.0141 outstanding bids

There are 2x bids for 0.013 and 0.0011 outstanding
Once we get those 2x payments, we will have our balance of 0.4003

[YodasRedRocket]

I would suggest:

• compensation of stolen loaded amounts (ppl not yet having received compensation)
  
• compensation of loans and of 'paid but never received' orders
  
• cygan for compensating scammed ppl

... coz these are objective figures.

I'm undecided when it comes to premiums as those are very subjective. likewise in a legal case you would seldom receive the sentimental/collector's add-on value (premium).
(speaking of an European legal understanding (yogg/coldkey as European individual/legal entity); don't know about strange US case law regime)

Secret personal loans should not be reimbursed in any scenario imo.

For one, if these people who all know eachother had shared this info, the reality of Yogg being a dead best dick sucker would have surfaced long ago & a lot of people wouldn’t be in the spot they are today.

[krogothmanhattan]

I would suggest:

• compensation of stolen loaded amounts (ppl not yet having received compensation)
  
• compensation of loans and of 'paid but never received' orders
  
• cygan for compensating scammed ppl

... coz these are objective figures.

I'm undecided when it comes to premiums as those are very subjective. likewise in a legal case you would seldom receive the sentimental/collector's add-on value (premium).
(speaking of an European legal understanding (yogg/coldkey as European individual/legal entity); don't know about strange US case law regime)

Secret personal loans should not be reimbursed in any scenario imo.

For one, if these people who all know eachother had shared this info, the reality of Yogg being a dead best dick sucker would have surfaced long ago & a lot of people wouldn’t be in the spot they are today.

  Sadly but true...if only we wouldve known of each others loans....All I have to say is I based it on my experience with him in the past...he always delayed his repayment but then came thru. SO I was very lenient when it came to repaying me back....figuring his depression had something to do with it. But hindsight is 20/20....lesson learned at my end and never again.

  And I agree....personal loans should not be covered as it was personal and not business.

[MoparMiningLLC]

What if the loan was business related? From one business to another? When the loan was requested so that materials could be bought etc etc?

[krogothmanhattan]

What if the loan was business related? From one business to another? When the loan was requested so that materials could be bought etc etc?

  Good point....In my case it was personal so I shall not ask for mine to be covered..but if in your case it had to do with Coldkey business then of course I would say you would need to be reimbursed as well as a casualty of the ColdSkam fallout.

[MoparMiningLLC]

mine was a business loan but a lot smaller than some others - I think Hookzup1 stated he loaned him and was promised a % of future sales

seems like yogg was making tons of various deals with anyone/everyone he could just to stack more sats.

[OgNasty]

LOL. I’m sure Yogg probably appreciates seeing comments like this. I think you’re kidding, but there are a lot of crazies on the internet so don’t fire them up too much.

I’m a bit disappointed that Yogg didn’t stick around if this was just a bad gambling decision. I think those who call him a friend should talk him into joining a signature campaign and donating all of his proceeds to coldkey victims he stole from until they’re all paid back no matter how long it takes.

You don't get it and you clearly don't read replies. Yogg is NOT looking or logging into this forum at all. How Do I know that? Because I've posted it 10 times already and you're just a lazy shitposter for your 1 BTC a month from Stake.com... Get a real job loser...

<end shit on Ognasty shitposts>

For the record I was ONLY rugged of a silver set. Did I seek refund from cygan? No. Do I want him to refund me? Hell no. Do I care if I get refunded? Not really, I've suffered much greater losses TBH.

Anyhow, yogg will shortly be living in the shitty parts of paris with probably a needle in his arma few times a day. Fuck that guy.

I don't believe in dwelling on anger and negativity. I've already moved on. I suggest you all try to as well, as dwelling on this POS is not worth the time or typing energy. Not mention it's just a waste of Internet as well..

You seem pretty angry and are dwelling on a hatred of me for years over god only knows what reason so excuse me if I believe you’ll continue being your same miserable self for years to come over this. My assumption was that people who call him a friend had other ways to contact him than this forum alone. Given the amount of people who claim to have conversed with him on various chat rooms, I think that is a safe assumption. +$4

Serious question, who do you hate more? Me, the guy who donates money and time to send BTC for over a decade to those who buy my goods, or Yogg, the guy who pretended to be your friend and then ripped you off?

[Hookzup1]

The loan I gave was for him to pay back all past due orders and buy all the holograms and material for the raffle and future projects he had planned after getting caught up with everyone and back on track, in return I was promised 20% of all profits on a monthly basis until paid back then 10% of all profits going forward. I saw 0 but know he did use some of the funds to pay back some past due people and buy materials

[owlcatz]

You seem pretty angry and are dwelling on a hatred of me for years over god only knows what reason so excuse me if I believe you’ll continue being your same miserable self for years to come over this. My assumption was that people who call him a friend had other ways to contact him than this forum alone. Given the amount of people who claim to have conversed with him on various chat rooms, I think that is a safe assumption. +$4

Serious question, who do you hate more? Me, the guy who donates money and time to send BTC for over a decade to those who buy my goods, or Yogg, the guy who pretended to be your friend and then ripped you off?

I don't hate you or anyone, but stop shitposting on stuff you know nothing about. And stop claiming to be some fucking hero, cuz your not.

YES I did have his phone number, we talked daily on signal... . Not that that is your business, but I don't care.

/End of, and thank you @haloxon I agree, I'm just tired of a shitposters false assumptions over and over cuz he fails to read...    

[raritycheck]

What’s the final total BTC, please? And total how many community impacted users are there?

These are some of our suggestions
1. Create limited edition unload-able silver coins (we will do unique design proposals and people can chose). This design will never be reused. All work from our side will be for free as long as we are in budget.
2. Same option like 1 but loadable / buyer funded coins
3. Give the amount to chosen charity of impacted people. (Can be per person)
4. As someone mentioned order custom ballet cards.
5. Divide btc by total users and give to each user.
6. Bulk buy of known silver crypto coins like Niue coins, etc and give to impacted users.

Regards

  Great ideas to be considered....here is the BTC from the auctions as per MinerJones quote...

   

0.38875 Current balance
-0.00065 postage
-0.00190 postage
--------
 0.3862 true/adjusted balance
-0.4003 total bids
--------
-0.0141 outstanding bids

There are 2x bids for 0.013 and 0.0011 outstanding
Once we get those 2x payments, we will have our balance of 0.4003

Thank you.

Is there a count of total number of people impacted (and if possible loss per person)?

[polymerbit]

There are many people out of thousands of dollars, I'm not sure how it would be split best.

Personal loss is about 500 EURO

To Polymerbit: about $10k in damages

[PreciousMetapsICT]

Honestly debating what to do is going to take forever and just give more thought to Yoggs POS scam self….

Raffle sounds pretty fucking good eh? Lol

Or donate it to a charity that helps kids??

My personal loss was just in premiums paid for products that are now practically worthless. I would never loan Yogg money and always jumped his ass right away about funding my purchases. Probably out a few thousand but oh well - live and learn.

Personally - I lay no claim to auction funds if you guys are going to try to divide the .4 up as legally all swiped funds have been returned and everyone lost premiums. I bet on coldscam and lost. I’ll take the L. I knew better and even called out this as the next scam… yet still bought them.

Raffle seems fair if we all want a shot at some sats - I love to gamble so seems fun and less time consuming than debating what to do.

… or donation - just make sure it’s a good charity and not a rip off one.

Seems best to make a poll - put 3-5 options and let those affected or full members vote on it. Let’s get this shit over with tho as we should all be in the acceptance phase of grief and moving the fuck on from Yogg.

[Hookzup1]

It's insane to me that anyone thought the funds were able to cover more than the actual yogged wallets

[YodasRedRocket]

Let’s just make 2 polls.  1 for who benefits & 1 for the distribution.  No alt accounts can double vote.

Who benefits?

*Multiple Answers*
1. Everyone who was rugged
2. Everyone who lost premium due to peeling after warning (includes rugged people bc they also lost premium)
3. Everyone who never received a purchased item or funding from Yogg
4. Everyone who gave Yogg a business loan
5. Everyone who donated items to charity auctions (if it’s a coin or card)

Remedy?

*Multiple Answers or One Answer*
1. Collectible coin or card
2. Raffle with one winner
3. Raffle with multiple winners
4. Distribute funds directly to victims
5. Give to a reputable charity
6. Other

[Hookzup1]

It would literally be impossible to figure out reimbursement for anything other than the directly yogged  halving sets. Just myself I'm over 1 btc in losses if you count premium for my collection of over 200+ coldkeys, unfunded history cards, unrecieved orders, and thats still not accounting for the .5 BTC business loan, the 6 yogged halving sets in my collection or the 12 raffle tickets I paid for.

[YodasRedRocket]

It would literally be impossible to figure out reimbursement for anything other than the directly yogged  halving sets. Just myself I'm over 1 btc in losses if you count premium for my collection of over 200+ coldkeys, unfunded history cards, unrecieved orders, and thats stipl not accounting for the .5 BTC business loan or the yogged halving sets in my collection

Simple answer is a custom ballet with remainder of funds distributed to the cards or a raffle.  I say ballet because they do custom designs & they’re trusted.

[OgNasty]

It would literally be impossible to figure out reimbursement for anything other than the directly yogged  halving sets. Just myself I'm over 1 btc in losses if you count premium for my collection of over 200+ coldkeys, unfunded history cards, unrecieved orders, and thats stipl not accounting for the .5 BTC business loan or the yogged halving sets in my collection

I agree. If anything, it’s likely that Yogg is still posting here with alt accounts and attempting to further benefit from his scam using the charity angle to collect a portion of the donated funds. I think it’s horrible what he did but it’s impossible to fairly or equally compensate all victims at this point. The whole situation is awful and I’m not trying to discourage donations. If there were any way to fairly distribute funds to all victims I’d donate myself. I just don’t see how that could be possible.

[polymerbit]

It would literally be impossible to figure out reimbursement for anything other than the directly yogged  halving sets. Just myself I'm over 1 btc in losses if you count premium for my collection of over 200+ coldkeys, unfunded history cards, unrecieved orders, and thats stipl not accounting for the .5 BTC business loan or the yogged halving sets in my collection

Simple answer is a custom ballet with remainder of funds distributed to the cards or a raffle.  I say ballet because they do custom designs & they’re trusted.

I'm wondering if something within the community may be a better idea.

[YodasRedRocket]

It would literally be impossible to figure out reimbursement for anything other than the directly yogged  halving sets. Just myself I'm over 1 btc in losses if you count premium for my collection of over 200+ coldkeys, unfunded history cards, unrecieved orders, and thats stipl not accounting for the .5 BTC business loan or the yogged halving sets in my collection

Simple answer is a custom ballet with remainder of funds distributed to the cards or a raffle.  I say ballet because they do custom designs & they’re trusted.

I'm wondering if something within the community may be a better idea.

Please add your idea to list of poll options & we can vote on it ✌🏼

[krogothmanhattan]

I was yogged too...
What should I do?

  Reach out to Cygan as he was covering the losses of swept Skamkey cards here >>  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434598.0

[krogothmanhattan]

It would literally be impossible to figure out reimbursement for anything other than the directly yogged  halving sets. Just myself I'm over 1 btc in losses if you count premium for my collection of over 200+ coldkeys, unfunded history cards, unrecieved orders, and thats stipl not accounting for the .5 BTC business loan or the yogged halving sets in my collection

Simple answer is a custom ballet with remainder of funds distributed to the cards or a raffle.  I say ballet because they do custom designs & they’re trusted.

I'm wondering if something within the community may be a better idea.

Please add your idea to list of poll options & we can vote on it ✌🏼

  Aye a poll would be the way to go once we decide what is to be voted for etc etc etc.

  All those affected should post their opinions so they can be included in the poll.

[YodasRedRocket]

Let’s just make 2 polls.  1 for who benefits & 1 for the distribution.  No alt accounts can double vote.

Who benefits?

*Multiple Answers*
1. Everyone who was rugged
2. Everyone who lost premium due to peeling after warning (includes rugged people bc they also lost premium)
3. Everyone who never received a purchased item or funding from Yogg
4. Everyone who gave Yogg a business loan
5. Everyone who donated items to charity auctions (if it’s a coin of card)

Remedy?

*Multiple Answers or One Answer*
1. Collectible coin or card
2. Raffle with one winner
3. Raffle with multiple winners
4. Distribute funds directly to victims
5. Give to a reputable charity
6. Other

Forgot an option on who should receive reimbursement

5. Everyone who donated items to charity auctions (if it’s a coin or card)

[Hookzup1]

How were they victims of the yogging? This is getting ridiculous lol

[YodasRedRocket]

How were they victims of the yogging? This is getting ridiculous lol

They’re the only reason we’re having this conversation lol

But that’s why we need to vote. 

[YodasRedRocket]

How were they victims of the yogging? This is getting ridiculous lol

They’re the only reason we’re having this conversation lol

But that’s why we need to vote. 

Obviously a donator to charity auctions would only get a coin or card if we made one… that’s continent on what the choice is for what we do with the funds.

[YodasRedRocket]

Ok, feel free to add these… this is my best & final remedy.  If nothing else, there would be enough data to make a final vote.  Everyone else can take it from here ✌🏼

2 Polls

Who benefits?

*Multiple Answers*
1. Everyone who was rugged
2. Everyone who lost premium due to peeling after warning (includes rugged people bc they also lost premium)
3. Everyone who never received a purchased item or funding from Yogg
4. Everyone who gave Yogg a business loan
5. Everyone who donated items to charity auctions (if it’s a coin, card or raffle)
6. Everyone who beats the shit out of Yogg’s bitch-ass (kidding of course ?)

Remedy?

*One Answer*
1. Pay back rugged people who refused cygans’s & remainder goes to coin or card
2. Pay back rugged people who refused cygans’s & remainder goes to raffle
3. Collectible coin or card
4. Raffle with one winner
5. Raffle with multiple winners
6. Distribute funds directly to chosen people in poll 1 with details to be determined
7. Donate all to a reputable charity
8. Other (please specify)

[krogothmanhattan]

Ok, feel free to add these… this is my best & final remedy.  If nothing else, there would be enough data to make a final vote.  Everyone else can take it from here ✌🏼

2 Polls

Who benefits?

*Multiple Answers*
1. Everyone who was rugged
2. Everyone who lost premium due to peeling after warning (includes rugged people bc they also lost premium)
3. Everyone who never received a purchased item or funding from Yogg
4. Everyone who gave Yogg a business loan
5. Everyone who donated items to charity auctions (if it’s a coin, card or raffle)
6. Everyone who beats the shit out of Yogg’s bitch-ass (kidding of course ?)

Remedy?

*One Answer*
1. Pay back rugged people who refused cygans’s & remainder goes to coin or card
2. Pay back rugged people who refused cygans’s & remainder goes to raffle
3. Collectible coin or card
4. Raffle with one winner
5. Raffle with multiple winners
6. Distribute funds directly to chosen people in poll 1 with details to be determined
7. Donate all to a reputable charity
8. Other (please specify)

 Like most of these....  My opinion is as follows...

  Remedy..in this order

  Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)
  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.

  Not sure there is enough BTC to cover premiums lost and that would be quite difficult in determining and also who gets what, but its an opinion and it counts as well and should be considered of course.

  I do not like the idea of a raffle or a coin etc etc etc. I think we should send the BTC back to the collectors who lost BTC directly. BTC for BTC so to speak. These are my opinions and I mean no offense in stating the opposite..so I respect everyones opinion as we are all victims here. Starting a poll would be the best way going forward once everyone chimes in. Cheers

  

  

[minerjones]

 Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)
  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.

  Not sure there is enough BTC to cover premiums lost and that would be quite difficult in determining and also who gets what, but its an opinion and it counts as well and should be considered of course.

  I do not like the idea of a raffle or a coin etc etc etc. I think we should send the BTC back to the collectors who lost BTC directly. BTC for BTC so to speak. These are my opinions and I mean no offense in stating the opposite..so I respect everyones opinion as we are all victims here. Starting a poll would be the best way going forward once everyone chimes in. Cheers  

 0.40030 Balance
-0.07500 Paying back refused funds (12 x 0.00625)
              (Hookz x6, chronicsky x4, Mitchell x2)
-0.26250 Paying back cygan (42 x 0.00625)
-0.09755 Raffle ticket payback for 3 users
              (chronicsky x 12, Hookzup1 x 12, geophphreigh x 15)
--------------------------------
-0.03475 funds left


Data taken from this post by cygan: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434598.0

Confirmed from chronicsky that they returned the funds for their 2x silver sets and the raffle tickets to cygan

I have updated the above to reflect that.

The chart on the main post by cygan needs to be updated:

?? - silver halving set #24 - chronicsky (refused) 0.00625 btc
?? - silver halving set #24 - chronicsky (refused) 0.00625 btc
?? - silver halving set #25 - chronicsky (refused) 0.00625 btc
?? - silver halving set #25 - chronicsky (refused) 0.00625 btc


12 Coldkey raffle tickets - chronicsky (refused)  0.03 btc
12 Coldkey raffle tickets - Hookzup1 (refused)  0.03 btc
15 Coldkey raffle tickets - geophphreigh (refunded) ?? btc

[Hookzup1]

I'm over trying to keep up with this clown show, I've tried to help as much as I can. Mj has my btc address if he decides to refund me for any of my swept halving sets or 12 raffle cards i paid for as I see those are now being included. Good luck figuring this out, im headed to work for more cheap sats 😉

[cygan]

✂
The chart on the main post by cygan needs to be updated:

?? - silver halving set #24 - chronicsky (refunded)
?? - silver halving set #24 - chronicsky (refunded)
?? - silver halving set #25 - chronicsky (refunded)
?? - silver halving set #25 - chronicsky (refunded)

not only from chronicsky but also from N8twon and ChiBitCTy i am still waiting for the addresses of the listed halving sets
all three of them were contacted by me at that time for this matter again

[MoparMiningLLC]

  Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)
  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.

 

I dont think there is enough to even cover half of the first point - let alone any of the rest.

but I also agree - there should be no raffle or drawing or w/e

But also how do you pick/choose who gets reimbursed when there simply is not enough to cover everyone?

What about all the buyers who do not come here but joined the forums specifically for lucho's set? Many of those may not know of what has happened yet.

[krogothmanhattan]

  Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)
  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.

 

I dont think there is enough to even cover half of the first point - let alone any of the rest.

but I also agree - there should be no raffle or drawing or w/e

But also how do you pick/choose who gets reimbursed when there simply is not enough to cover everyone?

What about all the buyers who do not come here but joined the forums specifically for lucho's set? Many of those may not know of what has happened yet.

  All excellent points....That is true and if they sold the sets then how do you notify whomever owns them now?

 

[ChiBitCTy]

I had accepted funds from Cygan under the impression that Yogg had decided to give some of the funds back. When I found out that wasn’t the case I didn’t want to keep the funds and returned them back to Cygan. I’m a bit confused by what’s being asked here or going on or whatever ..just wanted to share this.

[owlcatz]

I had accepted funds from Cygan under the impression that Yogg had decided to give some of the funds back. When I found out that wasn’t the case I didn’t want to keep the funds and returned them back to Cygan. I’m a bit confused by what’s being asked here of going on or whatever ..just wanted to share this.

I would have done the same my friend...

So I got rugged a silver set, #51 ...

Code:

Patrick	2020 Halving Serie	Silver Halving / Lucho	HALVING3-L.51	2020	BTC	bc1qhalvedt87eeylms62g4dr52rwrwqxfhcgkc6h4	0	$0.00																	
Patrick	2020 Halving Serie	Silver Halving / Lucho	HALVING3-R.51	2020	BTC	bc1qhalvedfm8sptr34gnx4hj8h6ph3py7qauvay2p	0	$0.00	

But that's all he got me for so considering the loss and everything else, I never wanted a refund from Cygan. Didn't feel right to me ofc..

Dont really care if I get it back, but just sayin Iguess.. 🤷‍♂️

Edit - I painfully peeled the golds after the intital scam went down, so i got that back at least ...  

[krogothmanhattan]

I’m a bit confused by what’s being asked here or going on or whatever ..just wanted to share this.

   This is what I suggested to do....

  Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .

   Thats for people like yourself that refused to take Cygan's BTC
  
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)

     Give back Cygan the BTC he gave to people like myself and others that did accept his BTC.

  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.
  

[YodasRedRocket]

I’m a bit confused by what’s being asked here or going on or whatever ..just wanted to share this.

   This is what I suggested to do....

  Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .

   Thats for people like yourself that refused to take Cygan's BTC
  
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)

     Give back Cygan the BTC he gave to people like myself and others that did accept his BTC.

  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.
  

Cygan was/is CEO of ColdShits.  I would imagine he received equipment or other proprietary intellectual property of value... maybe he can confirm or deny?  Also, he pushed ColdSweeps up until the end even when there were more warning signs privately than already discussed publicly.  I 100% disagree with your comment "had no reason to do so".   I do commend him for doing it quickly, but if he backed the bitch that was Yogg & there are future profits to be had from his investment in ColdCunts, his reimbursements were rightfully given.

[krogothmanhattan]

I’m a bit confused by what’s being asked here or going on or whatever ..just wanted to share this.

   This is what I suggested to do....

  Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .

   Thats for people like yourself that refused to take Cygan's BTC
  
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)

     Give back Cygan the BTC he gave to people like myself and others that did accept his BTC.

  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.
  

Cygan was/is CEO of ColdShits.  I would image he received equipment or other proprietary intellectual property of value... maybe he can confirm or deny?  Also, he pushed ColdSweeps up until the end even when there were more warning signs privately than already discussed publicly.  I 100% disagree with your comment "had no reason to do so".   I do commend him for doing it quickly, but if he backed the bitch that was Yogg & there are future profits to be had from his investment in ColdCunts, his reimbursements were rightfully given.

  Noted and understood. Thats my opinion and thus everyone has to have their say and then someone should run a poll to see how this is best distributed. I am all ears to what everyone else has to say as well.

[raritycheck]

 

What’s the final total BTC, please? And total how many community impacted users are there?

These are some of our suggestions
1. Create limited edition unload-able silver coins (we will do unique design proposals and people can chose). This design will never be reused. All work from our side will be for free as long as we are in budget.
2. Same option like 1 but loadable / buyer funded coins
3. Give the amount to chosen charity of impacted people. (Can be per person)
4. As someone mentioned order custom ballet cards.
5. Divide btc by total users and give to each user.
6. Bulk buy of known silver crypto coins like Niue coins, etc and give to impacted users.

Regards

  Great ideas to be considered....here is the BTC from the auctions as per MinerJones quote...

   

0.38875 Current balance
-0.00065 postage
-0.00190 postage
--------
 0.3862 true/adjusted balance
-0.4003 total bids
--------
-0.0141 outstanding bids

There are 2x bids for 0.013 and 0.0011 outstanding
Once we get those 2x payments, we will have our balance of 0.4003

Thank you.

Is there a count of total number of people impacted (and if possible loss per person)?

 

[cygan]

✂️
Cygan was/is CEO of ColdShits.  I would imagine he received equipment or other proprietary intellectual property of value... maybe he can confirm or deny?  
✂️

i can confirm that we have been in possession of the old Coldkey hardware for a few weeks now and it is only the printers, the ribbon shredder and the embosser.
the laptop with all the codes is still in Patrick's possession and we don't want to have it (for security reasons) in any case.

✂️
I do commend him for doing it quickly, but if he backed the bitch that was Yogg & there are future profits to be had from his investment in ColdCunts, his reimbursements were rightfully given.

at my time as ck-ceo, there were no activities or profits from coldkey (there were also no orders/sales) - i would also like to clarify this once again

[krogothmanhattan]

 Alrighty then!  We need more inputs on what to do here! All people affected by ColdScam should have their say here so we can get this over with and also move on ahead and leave this shameful part of collectable physical cryptos history in the rear view mirror.

[krogothmanhattan]

   Has a conclusion been agreed upon on this or is it still in limbo?

   Also MinerJones can you please tell us the balance now that Kialara has donated his proceeds to this?

    All that have been affected should have their say so please do as now is the time.

[YodasRedRocket]

   Has a conclusion been agreed upon on this or is it still in limbo?

   Also MinerJones can you please tell us the balance now that Kialara has donated his proceeds to this?

    All that have been affected should have their say so please do as now is the time.

There needs to be a poll or polls to decide.  There's a lot of people (most affected people) that lost premiums & if they don't get a dime, that would be a shame.

[krogothmanhattan]

  Has a conclusion been agreed upon on this or is it still in limbo?

   Also MinerJones can you please tell us the balance now that Kialara has donated his proceeds to this?

    All that have been affected should have their say so please do as now is the time.

There needs to be a poll or polls to decide.  There's a lot of people (most affected people) that lost premiums & if they don't get a dime, that would be a shame.

  I agree with you 100%%%

  But we need to decide what the poll will look like..

  My thoughts would be along these lines...

  Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)
  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.


   In that order......I can start a poll with that but I know others have different ideas...so need feedback

[YodasRedRocket]

  Has a conclusion been agreed upon on this or is it still in limbo?

   Also MinerJones can you please tell us the balance now that Kialara has donated his proceeds to this?

    All that have been affected should have their say so please do as now is the time.

There needs to be a poll or polls to decide.  There's a lot of people (most affected people) that lost premiums & if they don't get a dime, that would be a shame.

  I agree with you 100%%%

  But we need to decide what the poll will look like..

  My thoughts would be along these lines...

  Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
  Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.(He volunteered to do this and had no reason to do so)
  Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
  Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.


   In that order......I can start a poll with that but I know others have different ideas...so need feedback

Well, you're forgetting the main losers here.  Everyone who was swiped or peeled their cards to prevent being swiped & all the premium they lost.  Maybe a split of proceeds go to compensating people who now have worthless hotel keys haha

[Agrawas]

   Has a conclusion been agreed upon on this or is it still in limbo?

   Also MinerJones can you please tell us the balance now that Kialara has donated his proceeds to this?

    All that have been affected should have their say so please do as now is the time.

There needs to be a poll or polls to decide.  There's a lot of people (most affected people) that lost premiums & if they don't get a dime, that would be a shame.

As much as I agree with you buddy, but premiums is very subjective. Personally 0 of coldkeys were swept and I lost everything in premium, no order recieved and loan. But premiums is an ugly pandora's box that shouldn't be open.

[YodasRedRocket]

   Has a conclusion been agreed upon on this or is it still in limbo?

   Also MinerJones can you please tell us the balance now that Kialara has donated his proceeds to this?

    All that have been affected should have their say so please do as now is the time.

There needs to be a poll or polls to decide.  There's a lot of people (most affected people) that lost premiums & if they don't get a dime, that would be a shame.

As much as I agree with you buddy, but premiums is very subjective. Personally 0 of coldkeys were swept and I lost everything in premium, no order recieved and loan. But premiums is an ugly pandora's box that shouldn't be open.

I couldn't disagree more my friend.  You should receive compensation for all the cards you had to sweep.  But that's what the poll is for... we will see.  But it should damn fuckin sure be an option to vote on!!  Otherwise, I call this whole charity thing a fraud.

[PreciousMetapsICT]

All this discussion is about nothing - we all know the OGs are going to protect the OGs even when said OGs are the ones who helped perpetuate the fraud by vouching for and loaning Yogg btc. (My personal favorite quote told
To me was “you will never be scammed by Coldkey”)

Cygan did receive equipment - that has to have some value. Plus CEO was obviously a bad investment… same as the loans - you bet on red and lost.

I bet on the community and lost - covered red and black yet green hit

Such is life - unfortunately newcomers are what will grow this hobby yet newcomers are also the ones not here to know about Yoggs issues of disappearing and not fulfilling orders. We obviously had no clue about the loans or that people would even loan out btc (that’s a thing??). We paid stupid premiums at times for what we were told were safe and secure with no knowledge of coldscams history or debts. All because the same people who will receive the auction funds were around to vouch and help perpetuate this fraud…. Pretty damn ironic if you think about it.

Do what you guys want - I’m already over this loss.  Just like the Coldkey scam I saw this happening as well.

[owlcatz]

The equipment right now is worth about 4K if that, add on a couple hundred dollars in shit like printer ribbons cardstock and other crap like holograms yog purchased right before he went scammed so those are now worthless too.

You're clearly not over it because you're one of the ones who keeps bitching. We all got scammed man okay. I've been here almost 10 years and you can go back through my history and see how much shit and money I've lost. I lost a 1.6 BTC Gold cas coin in the mail back in 2018.

Do I feel scammed of course because the escrow did a shitty packaging job and apparently the coin landed in a bin somewhere in Memphis Tennessee at FuckEx... So yeah I digress , bout point is I know about loss man, it can burn for a long time and literally just fuck with your head... . My advice is to unwatch this thread and just move on if it's fucking with you like this. Yes I never thought I'd be scammed by Patrick either and I'm sorry if that is that what you want I don't know anymore. But I can tell you that no OG's are covering up for other OG's here as far as I know. 

Yeah nobody likes that there's no clear outlined way to do this yet but I'm sure we will get there and if not I will start prodding people as I always do.

Cheers and sorry again bud, seriously man....
Owl

[PreciousMetapsICT]

The equipment right now is worth about 4K if that, add on a couple hundred dollars in shit like printer ribbons cardstock and other crap like holograms yog purchased right before he went scammed so those are now worthless too.

You're clearly not over it because you're one of the ones who keeps bitching. We all got scammed man okay. I've been here almost 10 years and you can go back through my history and see how much shit and money I've lost. I lost a 1.6 BTC Gold cas coin in the mail back in 2018.

Do I feel scammed of course because the escrow did a shitty packaging job and apparently the coin landed in a bin somewhere in Memphis Tennessee at FuckEx... So yeah I digress , bout point is I know about loss man, it can burn for a long time and literally just fuck with your head... . My advice is to unwatch this thread and just move on if it's fucking with you like this. Yes I never thought I'd be scammed by Patrick either and I'm sorry if that is that what you want I don't know anymore. But I can tell you that no OG's are covering up for other OG's here as far as I know. 

Yeah nobody likes that there's no clear outlined way to do this yet but I'm sure we will get there and if not I will start prodding people as I always do.

Cheers and sorry again bud, seriously man....
Owl

And my advice  is to actually know the people you get in business with and vouch for… as your name is forever tied to coldscam as well

[owlcatz]

The equipment right now is worth about 4K if that, add on a couple hundred dollars in shit like printer ribbons cardstock and other crap like holograms yog purchased right before he went scammed so those are now worthless too.

You're clearly not over it because you're one of the ones who keeps bitching. We all got scammed man okay. I've been here almost 10 years and you can go back through my history and see how much shit and money I've lost. I lost a 1.6 BTC Gold cas coin in the mail back in 2018.

Do I feel scammed of course because the escrow did a shitty packaging job and apparently the coin landed in a bin somewhere in Memphis Tennessee at FuckEx... So yeah I digress , bout point is I know about loss man, it can burn for a long time and literally just fuck with your head... . My advice is to unwatch this thread and just move on if it's fucking with you like this. Yes I never thought I'd be scammed by Patrick either and I'm sorry if that is that what you want I don't know anymore. But I can tell you that no OG's are covering up for other OG's here as far as I know. 

Yeah nobody likes that there's no clear outlined way to do this yet but I'm sure we will get there and if not I will start prodding people as I always do.

Cheers and sorry again bud, seriously man....
Owl

And my advice  is to actually know the people you get in business with and vouch for… as your name is forever tied to coldscam as well

Whatever You can make it as personal as you want in your head but it had nothing to do with me, and I did know him in person, but apparently people change or are good at being chameleons. I'm not going to sit here and defend myself against you as I never even made a fucking dime from Patrick The whole time, FFS...

You can say what you want about me being tied to cold scam forever, but the fact remains I lost probably at least 10 times what you did, so if you want to make it personal fuck off. Lol. I feel zero guilt about it and I have moved on so I don't even care anymore to be honest.

You're the one who hasn't so again fuck you.

[YodasRedRocket]

A ranked choice poll is the best idea.  Everyone chime in who has been affected.  Once the results are in, we can move forward & put this behind us ✌🏼

[ChiBitCTy]

The equipment right now is worth about 4K if that, add on a couple hundred dollars in shit like printer ribbons cardstock and other crap like holograms yog purchased right before he went scammed so those are now worthless too.

You're clearly not over it because you're one of the ones who keeps bitching. We all got scammed man okay. I've been here almost 10 years and you can go back through my history and see how much shit and money I've lost. I lost a 1.6 BTC Gold cas coin in the mail back in 2018.

Do I feel scammed of course because the escrow did a shitty packaging job and apparently the coin landed in a bin somewhere in Memphis Tennessee at FuckEx... So yeah I digress , bout point is I know about loss man, it can burn for a long time and literally just fuck with your head... . My advice is to unwatch this thread and just move on if it's fucking with you like this. Yes I never thought I'd be scammed by Patrick either and I'm sorry if that is that what you want I don't know anymore. But I can tell you that no OG's are covering up for other OG's here as far as I know.  

Yeah nobody likes that there's no clear outlined way to do this yet but I'm sure we will get there and if not I will start prodding people as I always do.

Cheers and sorry again bud, seriously man....
Owl

And my advice  is to actually know the people you get in business with and vouch for… as your name is forever tied to coldscam as well

Many of us knew him personally. That’s why this was so fucked up. Especially for Owlcatz, who knew him very well and tried working with /helping him out. But Patrick did this all on his own, and no one else is to blame nor do I view their reputation tied to cold key at all. If anything Owlcatz and Cygan’s reputation is better than before, as both have been very upfront, trying to help out those who lost money etc.

It’s simply a shit situation.

A ranked choice poll is the best idea.  Everyone chime in who has been affected.  Once the results are in, we can move forward & put this behind us ✌🏼

This makes sense.

[owlcatz]

A ranked choice poll is the best idea.  Everyone chime in who has been affected.  Once the results are in, we can move forward & put this behind us ✌🏼

I do agree but after being personally slandered and attacked a short while ago, I would like to say for the fucking absolute record:

 ... I take great issue with that @PreciousMetaps, as you really really really have zero fucking clue what I actually gave/put into this fucking shitshow project when it was actually viable. I did more than my fucking best, so again stuff your premiums up your ass. Not even counting cards I was scammed, peeled or premiums I lost about 15k. Wanna keep arguing? Nope, you are now on my ignore list and wil be leaving you red trust for slandering me in the post above.

Furthermore, If you or anyone doesn't like it, fuck off, I'm sorry, as I said, I lost way fucking more than most of you, plus one of my best friends (Who played me in every fucking manner at that), so fuck all of you AFAIC - As I said, I don't care about this money, give it to fucking Ukraine FFS....  

[YodasRedRocket]

A ranked choice poll is the best idea.  Everyone chime in who has been affected.  Once the results are in, we can move forward & put this behind us ✌🏼

I do agree but after being personally slandered and attacked a short while ago, I would like to say for the fucking absolute record:

 ... I take great issue with that @PreciousMetaps, as you really really really have zero fucking clue what I actually gave/put into this fucking shitshow project when it was actually viable. I did more than my fucking best, so again stuff your premiums up your ass. Not even counting cards I was scammed, peeled or premiums I lost about 15k. Wanna keep arguing? Nope, you are now on my ignore list and wil be leaving you red trust for slandering me in the post above.

Furthermore, If you or anyone doesn't like it, fuck off, I'm sorry, as I said, I lost way fucking more than most of you, plus one of my best friends (Who played me in every fucking manner at that), so fuck all of you AFAIC - As I said, I don't care about this money, give it to fucking Ukraine FFS....  

Negative trust for an argument? Come on man… we all grown ups here… I think 🤔 He didn’t rip you off or anything, that’s what I always thought the trust system was for.  You do what you say kinda thing or reporting scammers. 

Anyway, a poll with ranked choice voting & if 2 or 3 have significant votes, we divide the funds up. Maybe a portion can be distributed to people who lost premium or never received their items, to refund folks who didn’t want cygan’s, refund Cygan & personal loan folks etc.  The people will show the way… we gotta rip this bandaid off & move on ✌🏼

[owlcatz]

Negative trust for an argument? Come on man… we all grown ups here… I think 🤔 He didn’t rip you off or anything, that’s what I always thought the trust system was for.  You do what you say kinda thing or reporting scammers. 

Anyway, a poll with ranked choice voting & if 2 or 3 have significant votes, we divide the funds up. Maybe a portion can be distributed to people who lost premium or never received their items, to refund folks who didn’t want cygan’s, refund Cygan & personal loan folks etc.  The people will show the way… we gotta rip this bandaid off & move on ✌🏼

Reality check - There are literally zero ways to accurately track "Premium" losses here - Seriously, forget it. Premiums are what buyers attach to the product, yes I too paid many times over face for certain cards but how in the living f is anyone gonna prove that or even track it? It seriously boggles my mind, so drop that idea. The best these funds will cover is Cygan's losses out of pocket which should be #1 to me, and the others who never sought refunds from Cygan like myself... Sure many people bought cards on the forum so history can be looked up, but many many others did off-forum deals (PM etc etc) as well.

The fact that everyone freaked out and peeled every card they had as a result of only 2 specific sets known to have been swept PROVES this was NOT an orchestrated fraud from the beginning. NO other cards have been swept... So ... That leads to the question, why should anyone be reimbursed for funds that were never likely to be swept? (For the record, Yogg was a genius in terms of IQ, but came at the expense of social skills and other aspects of his life..  So... IMO, I KNOW if he had done this on purpose from day one, all funds would have gone woosh at once for ALL cards ...

@Hookzup, all your other cards still funded? 

And yes, if someone is going to falsely accuse me of being part of some kind of orchestrated fraud, I WILL INDEED leave them negative trust, or at least Neutral...  The trust system is not moderated, so anyone who doesn't like it can fuck off too afaic....

For the record, this "precious" guy (fitting lol) was nothing but whiny, skittish and impatient whenever I dealt with him and the fact I even TRIED to help him burns now as well when I had no control over a guy in France lol ... I've spent 9 years here combatting scams and scammers... Ever heard of the GAW mining scam? Yeah, go look back through 2014 of my posts. I spent half my life exposing Homero the GAW cloud mining fraudster along with @Suchmoon who called it first...

lastly, Yogg nearly literally fckn killed me that day when he went fuckin batshit insane - I have health issues too, so I'm sure you all saw the messages I sent him etc ffs? Does that look fun to you on a day off?

Have a good night, I got real work to do...

[MoparMiningLLC]

the point is whether it was that set or those 2 sets - anyone leaving a card unpeeled would have been asking for it to be taken - I think even you told everyone to peel em - might be wrong but peeling them was the right thing.

people getting reimbursed for the last premium? I would say no - I mean shit, I paid nearly 3/4 of a Bitcoin for all my cards - a shit ton of premium - lost premium should not be reimbursed.

maybe reimburse everyone for the initial cost of a card? if they have the card itself then reimburse but that could be hard to prove still.

[YodasRedRocket]

Negative trust for an argument? Come on man… we all grown ups here… I think 🤔 He didn’t rip you off or anything, that’s what I always thought the trust system was for.  You do what you say kinda thing or reporting scammers.  

Anyway, a poll with ranked choice voting & if 2 or 3 have significant votes, we divide the funds up. Maybe a portion can be distributed to people who lost premium or never received their items, to refund folks who didn’t want cygan’s, refund Cygan & personal loan folks etc.  The people will show the way… we gotta rip this bandaid off & move on ✌🏼

Reality check - There are literally zero ways to accurately track "Premium" losses here - Seriously, forget it. Premiums are what buyers attach to the product, yes I too paid many times over face for certain cards but how in the living f is anyone gonna prove that or even track it? It seriously boggles my mind, so drop that idea. The best these funds will cover is Cygan's losses out of pocket which should be #1 to me, and the others who never sought refunds from Cygan like myself... Sure many people bought cards on the forum so history can be looked up, but many many others did off-forum deals (PM etc etc) as well.

The fact that everyone freaked out and peeled every card they had as a result of only 2 specific sets known to have been swept PROVES this was NOT an orchestrated fraud from the beginning. NO other cards have been swept... So ... That leads to the question, why should anyone be reimbursed for funds that were never likely to be swept? (For the record, Yogg was a genius in terms of IQ, but came at the expense of social skills and other aspects of his life..  So... IMO, I KNOW if he had done this on purpose from day one, all funds would have gone woosh at once for ALL cards ...

@Hookzup, all your other cards still funded?  

And yes, if someone is going to falsely accuse me of being part of some kind of orchestrated fraud, I WILL INDEED leave them negative trust, or at least Neutral...  The trust system is not moderated, so anyone who doesn't like it can fuck off too afaic....

For the record, this "precious" guy (fitting lol) was nothing but whiny, skittish and impatient whenever I dealt with him and the fact I even TRIED to help him burns now as well when I had no control over a guy in France lol ... I've spent 9 years here combatting scams and scammers... Ever heard of the GAW mining scam? Yeah, go look back through 2014 of my posts. I spent half my life exposing Homero the GAW cloud mining fraudster along with @Suchmoon who called it first...

lastly, Yogg nearly literally fckn killed me that day when he went fuckin batshit insane - I have health issues too, so I'm sure you all saw the messages I sent him etc ffs? Does that look fun to you on a day off?

Have a good night, I got real work to do...

Ummm reality check.. he swept another round a month after the first swipening.  He also missed some cards the first time in the same batch. Genius? Maybe not lol.  People literally left funds on their shit & he fuckin Yogg’d their ass later as an extra fuck you to everyone 🙄 leaving funds on one still is like going back in time & buying a bunch of 2FA Titans

The premium reimbursement is plausible & I’ll be giving my suggestions as soon as the poll is complete.  Let’s face it, you got a handful of people who want it all to go to people to propped up the scammer, guilty or not themselves & all the “common folk” who just lost a lot of Fuckin money trusting someone everyone was giving personal loans to keep the racket going…. Let just be honest… the regular Joe collectors deserve some relief, maybe some for the whales too ✌🏼

[YodasRedRocket]

Just vote & have all options on the table with ranked choice or multiple choice.  No point in arguing. 

[YodasRedRocket]

the point is whether it was that set or those 2 sets - anyone leaving a card unpeeled would have been asking for it to be taken - I think even you told everyone to peel em - might be wrong but peeling them was the right thing.

people getting reimbursed for the last premium? I would say no - I mean shit, I paid nearly 3/4 of a Bitcoin for all my cards - a shit ton of premium - lost premium should not be reimbursed.

maybe reimburse everyone for the initial cost of a card? if they have the card itself then reimburse but that could be hard to prove still.

Yes, something like that.  Initial cost of card, some were more obviously & a proof pic must be sent with QR visible with addy & name/date.

[MoparMiningLLC]

hold on a second - who was being propped up by yogg? people were helping him - people were buying the card - people loaned him funds - yes, but not to keep the "Racket" going.

you just accused a ton of great people - "regular joe collectors"

[PreciousMetapsICT]

[/quote]
Reality check - There are literally zero ways to accurately track "Premium" losses here - Seriously, forget it. Premiums are what buyers attach to the product, yes I too paid many times over face for certain cards but how in the living f is anyone gonna prove that or even track it? It seriously boggles my mind, so drop that idea. The best these funds will cover is Cygan's losses out of pocket which should be #1 to me, and the others who never sought refunds from Cygan like myself... Sure many people bought cards on the forum so history can be looked up, but many many others did off-forum deals (PM etc etc) as well.

The fact that everyone freaked out and peeled every card they had as a result of only 2 specific sets known to have been swept PROVES this was NOT an orchestrated fraud from the beginning. NO other cards have been swept... So ... That leads to the question, why should anyone be reimbursed for funds that were never likely to be swept? (For the record, Yogg was a genius in terms of IQ, but came at the expense of social skills and other aspects of his life..  So... IMO, I KNOW if he had done this on purpose from day one, all funds would have gone woosh at once for ALL cards ...

@Hookzup, all your other cards still funded?  

And yes, if someone is going to falsely accuse me of being part of some kind of orchestrated fraud, I WILL INDEED leave them negative trust, or at least Neutral...  The trust system is not moderated, so anyone who doesn't like it can fuck off too afaic....

For the record, this "precious" guy (fitting lol) was nothing but whiny, skittish and impatient whenever I dealt with him and the fact I even TRIED to help him burns now as well when I had no control over a guy in France lol ... I've spent 9 years here combatting scams and scammers... Ever heard of the GAW mining scam? Yeah, go look back through 2014 of my posts. I spent half my life exposing Homero the GAW cloud mining fraudster along with @Suchmoon who called it first...

lastly, Yogg nearly literally fckn killed me that day when he went fuckin batshit insane - I have health issues too, so I'm sure you all saw the messages I sent him etc ffs? Does that look fun to you on a day off?

Have a good night, I got real work to do...
[/quote]

Help me recover my $1000+ worth of btc funding that I sent specifically for funding my history sets of your affiliated company?? That’s what I’m whiny and impatient about?

That’s all true - but at least I got my funds. The post explaining all the made up difficulties that was promised never happened either. Only promised after I threatened to go public… I truly regret not going public (could’ve saved you guys and me some btc) but had no way of knowing about all the loans and owed products. I thought I was a one off case and not the norm. Either way - your reputation precedes itself. I don’t know what personal issues you have going on but acting out online and “blocking” “negative trust” and crying about it isn’t healthy. Hope you get the help you need. Cuz man - you are something else. When you have this constant drama surrounding you, plus flying off the handle at random shit all the time… bro - seek help. I am not the first second or tenth person you’ve done this to and I know I won’t be the last.

[YodasRedRocket]

hold on a second - who was being propped up by yogg? people were helping him - people were buying the card - people loaned him funds - yes, but not to keep the "Racket" going.

you just accused a ton of great people - "regular joe collectors"

I could be mistaken but didn’t some of his backers know he was whacked out on drugs, not delivering old ass orders, constantly borrowing $ & making excuses?  Is this someone you would tell the community to trust?  I’m not saying they intentionally did anything to scam anyone, I’m saying the warning signs were there.  I’ve spoken to OG’s that sold their cards long ago bc they lost confidence.  I’ve trusted the wrong people in my life too, believe me, but looking back, I had that feeling that they were capable of what they did.

[MoparMiningLLC]

hold on a second - who was being propped up by yogg? people were helping him - people were buying the card - people loaned him funds - yes, but not to keep the "Racket" going.

you just accused a ton of great people - "regular joe collectors"

I could be mistaken but didn’t some of his backers know he was whacked out on drugs, not delivering old ass orders, constantly borrowing $ & making excuses?  Is this someone you would tell the community to trust?  I’m not saying they intentionally did anything to scam anyone, I’m saying the warning signs were there.  I’ve spoken to OG’s that sold their cards long ago bc they lost confidence.  I’ve trusted the wrong people to believe me. 

maybe some of them? I dont know - do you? but you stated " everyone was giving personal loans to keep the racket going" that puts hookzup1, krogoth, myself, polymerbit and a few others I cant think of off the top of my head - and none of us did it to "keep the racket going"

I get you are pissed but your general statements are trashing everyone for no reason. No one on this thread is responsible for what yogg did - only  yogg is.

[YodasRedRocket]

hold on a second - who was being propped up by yogg? people were helping him - people were buying the card - people loaned him funds - yes, but not to keep the "Racket" going.

you just accused a ton of great people - "regular joe collectors"

I could be mistaken but didn’t some of his backers know he was whacked out on drugs, not delivering old ass orders, constantly borrowing $ & making excuses?  Is this someone you would tell the community to trust?  I’m not saying they intentionally did anything to scam anyone, I’m saying the warning signs were there.  I’ve spoken to OG’s that sold their cards long ago bc they lost confidence.  I’ve trusted the wrong people to believe me. 

maybe some of them? I dont know - do you? but you stated " everyone was giving personal loans to keep the racket going" that puts hookzup1, krogoth, myself, polymerbit and a few others I cant think of off the top of my head - and none of us did it to "keep the racket going"

I get you are pissed but your general statements are trashing everyone for no reason. No one on this thread is responsible for what yogg did - only  yogg is.

Agreed but the warning signs were there.  I don’t believe any of the people you mentioned intentionally kept the racket going… but the hype campaign was strong when there was fire coming in the woods.

[owlcatz]

Negative trust for an argument? Come on man… we all grown ups here… I think 🤔 He didn’t rip you off or anything, that’s what I always thought the trust system was for.  You do what you say kinda thing or reporting scammers.  

Anyway, a poll with ranked choice voting & if 2 or 3 have significant votes, we divide the funds up. Maybe a portion can be distributed to people who lost premium or never received their items, to refund folks who didn’t want cygan’s, refund Cygan & personal loan folks etc.  The people will show the way… we gotta rip this bandaid off & move on ✌🏼

Reality check - There are literally zero ways to accurately track "Premium" losses here - Seriously, forget it. Premiums are what buyers attach to the product, yes I too paid many times over face for certain cards but how in the living f is anyone gonna prove that or even track it? It seriously boggles my mind, so drop that idea. The best these funds will cover is Cygan's losses out of pocket which should be #1 to me, and the others who never sought refunds from Cygan like myself... Sure many people bought cards on the forum so history can be looked up, but many many others did off-forum deals (PM etc etc) as well.

The fact that everyone freaked out and peeled every card they had as a result of only 2 specific sets known to have been swept PROVES this was NOT an orchestrated fraud from the beginning. NO other cards have been swept... So ... That leads to the question, why should anyone be reimbursed for funds that were never likely to be swept? (For the record, Yogg was a genius in terms of IQ, but came at the expense of social skills and other aspects of his life..  So... IMO, I KNOW if he had done this on purpose from day one, all funds would have gone woosh at once for ALL cards ...

@Hookzup, all your other cards still funded?  

And yes, if someone is going to falsely accuse me of being part of some kind of orchestrated fraud, I WILL INDEED leave them negative trust, or at least Neutral...  The trust system is not moderated, so anyone who doesn't like it can fuck off too afaic....

For the record, this "precious" guy (fitting lol) was nothing but whiny, skittish and impatient whenever I dealt with him and the fact I even TRIED to help him burns now as well when I had no control over a guy in France lol ... I've spent 9 years here combatting scams and scammers... Ever heard of the GAW mining scam? Yeah, go look back through 2014 of my posts. I spent half my life exposing Homero the GAW cloud mining fraudster along with @Suchmoon who called it first...

lastly, Yogg nearly literally fckn killed me that day when he went fuckin batshit insane - I have health issues too, so I'm sure you all saw the messages I sent him etc ffs? Does that look fun to you on a day off?

Have a good night, I got real work to do...

Boy I could post so many messages, as Yogg tried to steal the btc I sent for funding 3 history sets, until I raised hell. So if whiny, bitchy, and impatient is definitely a way to describe me when a company you personally vouched for over and over was withholding over 1k worth of btc of mine from me… yeah - that is correct.

Negative trust for an argument? Come on man… we all grown ups here… I think 🤔 He didn’t rip you off or anything, that’s what I always thought the trust system was for.  You do what you say kinda thing or reporting scammers.  

Anyway, a poll with ranked choice voting & if 2 or 3 have significant votes, we divide the funds up. Maybe a portion can be distributed to people who lost premium or never received their items, to refund folks who didn’t want cygan’s, refund Cygan & personal loan folks etc.  The people will show the way… we gotta rip this bandaid off & move on ✌🏼

Reality check - There are literally zero ways to accurately track "Premium" losses here - Seriously, forget it. Premiums are what buyers attach to the product, yes I too paid many times over face for certain cards but how in the living f is anyone gonna prove that or even track it? It seriously boggles my mind, so drop that idea. The best these funds will cover is Cygan's losses out of pocket which should be #1 to me, and the others who never sought refunds from Cygan like myself... Sure many people bought cards on the forum so history can be looked up, but many many others did off-forum deals (PM etc etc) as well.

The fact that everyone freaked out and peeled every card they had as a result of only 2 specific sets known to have been swept PROVES this was NOT an orchestrated fraud from the beginning. NO other cards have been swept... So ... That leads to the question, why should anyone be reimbursed for funds that were never likely to be swept? (For the record, Yogg was a genius in terms of IQ, but came at the expense of social skills and other aspects of his life..  So... IMO, I KNOW if he had done this on purpose from day one, all funds would have gone woosh at once for ALL cards ...

@Hookzup, all your other cards still funded?  

And yes, if someone is going to falsely accuse me of being part of some kind of orchestrated fraud, I WILL INDEED leave them negative trust, or at least Neutral...  The trust system is not moderated, so anyone who doesn't like it can fuck off too afaic....

For the record, this "precious" guy (fitting lol) was nothing but whiny, skittish and impatient whenever I dealt with him and the fact I even TRIED to help him burns now as well when I had no control over a guy in France lol ... I've spent 9 years here combatting scams and scammers... Ever heard of the GAW mining scam? Yeah, go look back through 2014 of my posts. I spent half my life exposing Homero the GAW cloud mining fraudster along with @Suchmoon who called it first...

lastly, Yogg nearly literally fckn killed me that day when he went fuckin batshit insane - I have health issues too, so I'm sure you all saw the messages I sent him etc ffs? Does that look fun to you on a day off?

Have a good night, I got real work to do...

Help me recover my $1000+ worth of btc funding that I sent specifically for funding my history sets of your affiliated company?? That’s what I’m whiny and impatient about?

That’s all true - but at least I got my funds. The post explaining all the made up difficulties that was promised never happened either. Only promised after I threatened to go public… I truly regret not going public (could’ve saved you guys and me some btc) but had no way of knowing about all the loans and owed products. I thought I was a one off case and not the norm. Either way - your reputation precedes itself. I don’t know what personal issues you have going on but acting out online and “blocking” “negative trust” and crying about it isn’t healthy. Hope you get the help you need. Cuz man - you are something else. When you have this constant drama surrounding you, plus flying off the handle at random shit all the time… bro - seek help. I am not the first second or tenth person you’ve done this to and I know I won’t be the last.

Again you have no fucking clue or any idea what the hell I went through so leave me the fuck alone stop accusing me of bullshit and just fuck off. Yes this is me when someone accuses me of being part of a scam when I have done literally nothing but try to help yog and the rest of you people, and now you attack me personally and accuse me of being part of the scam. Do you see why that burns me now? I guess not because you're not in my shoes obviously. You need the help because you cant get over it I've already moved past it but when someone's accuses me of scamming when I made zero and lost more than you it kind of burns my ass You get it yet? Fuck sakes you are thick

I don't know how much money you had up tied because all I was doing was trying to fix all the other fucking messes but he kept creating more behind my back so is that my fucking fault? Anyways now I'm fucking done for real now...

Edit. .. I am not and have never been affiliated with cold scam other than helping Patrick out. It was his company not mine. 🖕

[MoparMiningLLC]

Agreed but the warning signs were there.  I don’t believe any of the people you mentioned intentionally kept the racket going… but the hype campaign was strong when there was fire coming in the woods.

what warning signs? I knew nothing of any of those things - only that a few people were missing some cards and he was - from the posts people made - was addressing them.


and if you dont think of the ones I listed were intentionally doing it - maybe dont say "everyone"?

you been here what? less than a year? maybe a little over a year? and wanna trash everyone? take a step back. blame the guy who did the wrong - not everyone else.

[YodasRedRocket]

Agreed but the warning signs were there.  I don’t believe any of the people you mentioned intentionally kept the racket going… but the hype campaign was strong when there was fire coming in the woods.

what warning signs? I knew nothing of any of those things - only that a few people were missing some cards and he was - from the posts people made - was addressing them.


and if you dont think of the ones I listed were intentionally doing it - maybe dont say "everyone"?

you been here what? less than a year? maybe a little over a year? and wanna trash everyone? take a step back. blame the guy who did the wrong - not everyone else.

Everyone .. maybe I should have said “some”.  This isn’t about trashing people, this is about getting the fucking option to vote on the table & “some” folks constantly swatting that idea down in favor of a select “some” getting all the charity funds! 

Mopar, you’re a good dude & my fight isn’t with you.  I want a vote.  Others do too but don’t want to post because they’re anti-drama.  Doesn’t matter how long I’ve been on this forum.  All hobbies have the same scams & I’m a veteran in that regard ✌🏼

[YodasRedRocket]

Oh & my rookie ass alerted everyone to getting buttfucked within hours… beginners luck? 

[MoparMiningLLC]

yes "some" would be better. but unless you know some specifics of people knowingly doing so - I wouldnt even say "some"

and yes you did, you messaged me off the forums if I recall.

edit: and my time reference was simply to point out that you dont know many of the people here as well as some of us others. another reason why not to accuse anyone.

and I wasnt as vulgar as to say "your rookie ass"

[YodasRedRocket]

yes "some" would be better. but unless you know some specifics of people knowingly doing so - I wouldnt even say "some"

and yes you did, you messaged me off the forums if I recall.

edit: and my time reference was simply to point out that you dont know many of the people here as well as some of us others. another reason why not to accuse anyone.

and I wasnt as vulgar as to say "your rookie ass"

I posted on forum & reached out to everyone knew who held ColdCuntz as soon as I possibly could.

My idea for one of the ideas to vote on.

Original price of card reimbursed to anyone who was swept or peeled after warning with proof pic & research of sweep date.

That’s all I’m pushing for here.  This would help a lot of people, not just “some”. And any of those folks may be entitled to funds as well, let the people decide.

[MoparMiningLLC]

yes "some" would be better. but unless you know some specifics of people knowingly doing so - I wouldnt even say "some"

and yes you did, you messaged me off the forums if I recall.

edit: and my time reference was simply to point out that you dont know many of the people here as well as some of us others. another reason why not to accuse anyone.

and I wasnt as vulgar as to say "your rookie ass"

I posted on forum & reached out to everyone knew who held ColdCuntz as soon as I possibly could.

My idea for one of the ideas to vote on.

Original price of card reimbursed to anyone who was swept or peeled after warning with proof pic & research of sweep date.

That’s all I’m pushing for here.  This would help a lot of people, not just “some”. And any of those folks may be entitled to funds as well, let the people decide.

cost of card should be simple and only paid to those holding the card. someone has the database so could easily track the cards to make sure cards are not claimed multiple times by multiple people as well

[YodasRedRocket]

yes "some" would be better. but unless you know some specifics of people knowingly doing so - I wouldnt even say "some"

and yes you did, you messaged me off the forums if I recall.

edit: and my time reference was simply to point out that you dont know many of the people here as well as some of us others. another reason why not to accuse anyone.

and I wasnt as vulgar as to say "your rookie ass"

I posted on forum & reached out to everyone knew who held ColdCuntz as soon as I possibly could.

My idea for one of the ideas to vote on.

Original price of card reimbursed to anyone who was swept or peeled after warning with proof pic & research of sweep date.

That’s all I’m pushing for here.  This would help a lot of people, not just “some”. And any of those folks may be entitled to funds as well, let the people decide.

cost of card should be simple and only paid to those holding the card. someone has the database so could easily track the cards to make sure cards are not claimed multiple times by multiple people as well

Proof pics are easy.  And I’m only saying let this be considered.  And maybe not even the only option.  We had a lot of very generous donators.  Thanks again to everyone who chipped in & MJ & Smoothie for the assists ✌🏼

[ChiBitCTy]

Whole lot of thread here I didn’t read, but I agree premiums should absolutely not be included. There’s no way to gauge it and there’s not enough funds to even cover the losses of the base products/cygan payouts etc, let alone any potential premiums they may have had.

[krogothmanhattan]

Gentlemen......Yes there is a lot of hurt and pain from this shitshow but just cause people were working with Shitkey I dont think it makes them accomplaces to the crime committed.

       I too initially thru the pain and anger vented to Cygan and Owlz, but that was a wrong move as all they did was be a part of a company that its founder did what he did. I lost a lot not only in BTC but also in premium on my cards since I was the owner of the majority numbered 1 and 2 cards.

    Not only that, but my name was part of the idea and auction for the Goldkey halving sets. I also had some unique pieces that if I sold before this happened I couldve gotten a pretty nice chunk of BTC....but that is all gone and its water under the bridge for me otherwise I will only drive myself crazy thinking about it.  And yes I am hodling onto my cards as they are still collectables to me....just like the Alitin coins that sold as high as 0.2 BTC a few years after the theft...so these cards in time will be worth something as well.

       My hats off to Cygan for giving back BTC from his own pocket..and also to Owlz for helping out as well.
       Thanks to Yoga for letting us know of the sweep and everyone who assisted as well.

       Thanks to all for their inputs and again I mean no disrespect if I am rubbing people the wrong way.

      Thru the years, I loaned Dogg a few times cause I am a supporter of anything that is loadable..and most of the time he was always late but I always got paid back. Did I know he had other loans? No...and even if I did it was my choice and my hard earned money to use...again I am no whale..if anything I am a small shrimp in the scheme of things....yep working my ass off...sometimes 16 hr days...so yeah, that is hard earned money.
To add insult to injury, Dogg even set me up with a Trust shit post and attacked me to so call ruin me...later I find thru him that his depression was the cause of his paranoia etc etc....yet I chose to forgive and move even though he also shit talked about me to many members here....why? No fucken idea? I felt the cold shoulder from many members here and later I find why....But that is up to people to believe whatever came out of his mouth. Like they say...NO GOOD DEED EVER GOES UNPUNISHED.

     All I did was be a good friend in his time of need. And that's why when he asked for some money I didn't hesitate to show that I harbor no ill feelings for his actions in the past.

      Now that is out there for everyone to read and ponder....how about we start a poll....these are my two satoshi....please again correct me or add....I got no problem's going with the majority here as that's the right thing to do.

CHOICE A

     Choice A would be in this order

     Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
     Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.
     Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
     Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.
    

[minerjones]

while we are deciding what to do, does anyone have a definitive list of who and how much?
I know cygan started a list, but seems to not be complete.... 

[PreciousMetapsICT]

Gentlemen......Yes there is a lot of hurt and pain from this shitshow but just cause people were working with Shitkey I dont think it makes them accomplaces to the crime committed.

       I too initially thru the pain and anger vented to Cygan and Owlz, but that was a wrong move as all they did was be a part of a company that its founder did what he did. I lost a lot not only in BTC but also in premium on my cards since I was the owner of the majority numbered 1 and 2 cards.

    Not only that, but my name was part of the idea and auction for the Goldkey halving sets. I also had some unique pieces that if I sold before this happened I couldve gotten a pretty nice chunk of BTC....but that is all gone and its water under the bridge for me otherwise I will only drive myself crazy thinking about it.  And yes I am hodling onto my cards as they are still collectables to me....just like the Alitin coins that sold as high as 0.2 BTC a few years after the theft...so these cards in time will be worth something as well.

       My hats off to Cygan for giving back BTC from his own pocket..and also to Owlz for helping out as well.
       Thanks to Yoga for letting us know of the sweep and everyone who assisted as well.

       Thanks to all for their inputs and again I mean no disrespect if I am rubbing people the wrong way.

      Thru the years, I loaned Dogg a few times cause I am a supporter of anything that is loadable..and most of the time he was always late but I always got paid back. Did I know he had other loans? No...and even if I did it was my choice and my hard earned money to use...again I am no whale..if anything I am a small shrimp in the scheme of things....yep working my ass off...sometimes 16 hr days...so yeah, that is hard earned money.
To add insult to injury, Dogg even set me up with a Trust shit post and attacked me to so call ruin me...later I find thru him that his depression was the cause of his paranoia etc etc....yet I chose to forgive and move even though he also shit talked about me to many members here....why? No fucken idea? I felt the cold shoulder from many members here and later I find why....But that is up to people to believe whatever came out of his mouth. Like they say...NO GOOD DEED EVER GOES UNPUNISHED.

     All I did was be a good friend in his time of need. And that's why when he asked for some money I didn't hesitate to show that I harbor no ill feelings for his actions in the past.

      Now that is out there for everyone to read and ponder....how about we start a poll....these are my two satoshi....please again correct me or add....I got no problem's going with the majority here as that's the right thing to do.

CHOICE A

     Choice A would be in this order

     Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
     Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.
     Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
     Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.
    

My exact quote is -

“And my advice  is to actually know the people you get in business with and vouch for… as your name is forever tied to coldscam as well”

Not calling anyone accomplices, but people should acknowledge their roles in the scam  - and what steps they should do differently to help make it harder for the next scammer

[krogothmanhattan]

My exact quote is -

“And my advice  is to actually know the people you get in business with and vouch for… as your name is forever tied to coldscam as well”

Not calling anyone accomplices, but people should acknowledge their roles in the scam  - and what steps they should do differently to help make it harder for the next scammer

  Ahh my friend if it was only that easy....people get married and are in love yet they also end up betraying each other and sometimes yes even worse crimes like murder. Ever hear till death do us apart? I have been on this planet for over half a century now ...and have seen many things done by close friends and family that I would never thought possible.

   Life events change people who even themselves would not believe they were ever capable of doing certain deeds.

   The only way in our hobby to be 100% sure is to make your own keys and never depend on other reputation as that can change.

  Life has a funny way of testing people. So anytime I do or did buy anything loaded...that question is always in the back of my head...the possibility of losing my btc. The safest BTC I have are the coins I made and the ones on my paper wallets and Trezor.

  

[YodasRedRocket]

Whole lot of thread here I didn’t read, but I agree premiums should absolutely not be included. There’s no way to gauge it and there’s not enough funds to even cover the losses of the base products/cygan payouts etc, let alone any potential premiums they may have had.

There's not enough funds to fully cover anyone's losses.  Missing the point here Chi.  If the word premium is what is putting everyone off...  Ok, original cost of the stupid plastic cards?  That's what should be considered in a vote.  It would help a lot of people who were actually holders.  I fuckin swear... if that shit isn't on the list of options to vote for... this is all a fucking game of how can we get bits back in a few people's wallets & leave everybody else out in the cold!

Vote!  Have ALL options on the list to vote for!  Do Not leave out splitting up the funds for all the common man holders! 

[krogothmanhattan]

Whole lot of thread here I didn’t read, but I agree premiums should absolutely not be included. There’s no way to gauge it and there’s not enough funds to even cover the losses of the base products/cygan payouts etc, let alone any potential premiums they may have had.

There's not enough funds to fully cover anyone's losses.  Missing the point here Chi.  If the word premium is what is putting everyone off...  Ok, original cost of the stupid plastic cards?  That's what should be considered in a vote.  It would help a lot of people who were actually holders.  I fuckin swear... if that shit isn't on the list of options to vote for... this is all a fucking game of how can we get bits back in a few people's wallets & leave everybody else out in the cold!

Vote!  Have ALL options on the list to vote for!  Do Not leave out splitting up the funds for all the common man holders!  

   Noted Yoda....So along these lines for another choice?

    
       Choice B would be in this order

     Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
     Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.
     Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
     Pay back what the original purchase price of any card owner

      Please tell me exactly is this how choice B would be and in what order? I have over 100 cards and would greatly benefit from this choice if it went thru and if there is any BTC left as well.


 SO an example of what the poll would look like....if there were only two choices then the following woud be given..

Choice A would be in this order

     Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
     Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.
     Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
     Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.
    
      Choice B would be in this order

     Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
     Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.
     Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
     Pay back what the original purchase price of any card owner



     We should have more choices so awaiting more feedback....preferably choice A thru Choice D or up would be good. We are all open here so please post.

[minerjones]

while we are deciding what to do, does anyone have a definitive list of who and how much?
I know cygan started a list, but seems to not be complete.... 

Will there be any reserve for people who bought halving sets that are not part of the forum?

[krogothmanhattan]

while we are deciding what to do, does anyone have a definitive list of who and how much?
I know cygan started a list, but seems to not be complete.... 

Will there be any reserve for people who bought halving sets that are not part of the forum?

  Thats a very good point...I think there should be.  Perhaps Cygan can update us on how many were refunded and how many are still yet to be that can be refunded meaning people that are around and aware. And then we can set aside btc for that. Then the question is how long is that to be held?

[ChiBitCTy]

Whole lot of thread here I didn’t read, but I agree premiums should absolutely not be included. There’s no way to gauge it and there’s not enough funds to even cover the losses of the base products/cygan payouts etc, let alone any potential premiums they may have had.

There's not enough funds to fully cover anyone's losses.  Missing the point here Chi.  If the word premium is what is putting everyone off...  Ok, original cost of the stupid plastic cards?  That's what should be considered in a vote.  It would help a lot of people who were actually holders.  I fuckin swear... if that shit isn't on the list of options to vote for... this is all a fucking game of how can we get bits back in a few people's wallets & leave everybody else out in the cold!

Vote!  Have ALL options on the list to vote for!  Do Not leave out splitting up the funds for all the common man holders!  

I can read, I’m not missing any point. You’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. I said specifically there’s not close to enough money to cover everyone’s actual losses, which does not include “premiums”.

This is exactly how I feel, what I meant.:

“Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
     Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.
     Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
     Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey”. -Krogo
    

[cygan]

✂️
Perhaps Cygan can update us on how many were refunded and how many are still yet to be that can be refunded meaning people that are around and aware.
✂️

so my thread with the refunds is 100% up to date and in the last few days two affected users have contacted me where again a refund would take place on my part

[krogothmanhattan]

✂️
Perhaps Cygan can update us on how many were refunded and how many are still yet to be that can be refunded meaning people that are around and aware.
✂️

so my thread with the refunds is 100% up to date and in the last few days two affected users have contacted me where again a refund would take place on my part

   THanks for this....We need to calculate how much BTC is left to be compensated and also how long would we hodl that amount on the sidelines for someone to come a claim it. Thats why we need people to put their input here...I am not authority here on these things....just trying to get this ball rolling so I can start a poll and have people vote.

   So PLEASE do come forward and post your thoughts etc etc...

[cygan]

i personally do not want to participate in this poll.
but i think the whole initiative is very good and i hope that it will be decided soon and that the topic will be closed forever. but since i was also brought into the game and am one of the options, others should decide here.
have personally contributed my part to this whole mess already

[krogothmanhattan]

i personally do not want to participate in this poll.
but i think the whole initiative is very good and i hope that it will be decided soon and that the topic will be closed forever. but since i was also brought into the game and am one of the options, others should decide here.
have personally contributed my part to this whole mess already

  Thanks Cygan....I also meant this for all who were affected as very few have shared their thoughts....and since we have a good amount of BTC waiting to be distributed we might as well get the BTC to wherever the poll majority votes for.

   Thankyou all

[Hookzup1]

I'm not exactly sure what the total adds up to for all the items auctioned and donated/sold for the victims of the yogging but the total for the 86 halving wallets directly swept by yogg adds up to be .5375 according to the txid's I provided  previously. I'm not sure how to find out how many raffle tickets were sold but I personally paid for 12

[YodasRedRocket]

✂️
Perhaps Cygan can update us on how many were refunded and how many are still yet to be that can be refunded meaning people that are around and aware.
✂️

so my thread with the refunds is 100% up to date and in the last few days two affected users have contacted me where again a refund would take place on my part

   THanks for this....We need to calculate how much BTC is left to be compensated and also how long would we hodl that amount on the sidelines for someone to come a claim it. Thats why we need people to put their input here...I am not authority here on these things....just trying to get this ball rolling so I can start a poll and have people vote.

   So PLEASE do come forward and post your thoughts etc etc...

Thanks for heading up the poll options.  Once the path is decided, we can calculate a fair way so that a percentage of everyone’s losses can be recouped in some way ✌🏼

[cygan]

✂️
  Thanks Cygan....I also meant this for all who were affected as very few have shared their thoughts....and since we have a good amount of BTC waiting to be distributed we might as well get the BTC to wherever the poll majority votes for.

   Thankyou all

i would suggest that you start a poll here. i'm sure there are users who would like to cast their vote, but don't want to do it here in this thread.
you could then create the poll yourself and also set the deadline yourself.
you can do this by using the option 'post new poll' in the upper right corner (next to 'new topic').

[krogothmanhattan]

✂️
  Thanks Cygan....I also meant this for all who were affected as very few have shared their thoughts....and since we have a good amount of BTC waiting to be distributed we might as well get the BTC to wherever the poll majority votes for.

   Thankyou all

i would suggest that you start a poll here. i'm sure there are users who would like to cast their vote, but don't want to do it here in this thread.
you could then create the poll yourself and also set the deadline yourself.
you can do this by using the option 'post new poll' in the upper right corner (next to 'new topic').

    Here ya go  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5447431.0