Plagiarism vs AI Posting

[KingsDen]

Considering that any post(s), that is not well connected in meaning with a flowing conversation can be regarded as a spam. I therefore suggest that the forum make an overall rule against AI posting.

I agree with this. if you ask me, using content generated by AI and using it as yours should be considered the same as plagiarism and should have the same consequence as plagiarism.

I see that many people have agreed that something needs to be done about AI posting in the forum. AI is good for usage and not a crime, but in a discussion forum like this, we agreed it is unethical to use AI.
Then even the admin and moderators are in agreement that AI isn't accepted in the forum. Then AI generated posts are also being reported to moderators for deletion.
Let's therefore wait for the admin when they will come up with cogent rule about AI posting in the forum. For now, our only available tool is reporting to moderators.

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[yhiaali3]

In my opinion the use of artificial intelligence should not be recommended here on the forum, although it should not be considered a crime anyway.

The use of AI will make it difficult to distinguish between members who already have experience and members who rely solely on AI to write their posts.

This case can be likened to using a calculator in children. Making children use a calculator to perform simple arithmetic operations will lead to a decrease in the student's use of his mental skill, which leads to a negative result. We can say that this is the same for the use of artificial intelligence.

[bettercrypto]

chatGPT is very popular for creating content for youtube and article blogs because it generates free not plagiarized articles and the thing is Google loves AI-generated articles it is based on their algo on how they check unique articles and I heard once Google develop software that can detect AI generated articles I'm sure they will outrank YouTube contents and blogs that mostly use generated articles.

It's not a crime but a fraud so I think AI generated shouldn't be counted on the campaign and the forum should have a strict rule about using AI because it can affect the forum in the future once they develop software to outrank who use AI generated text.

I have seen a lot of content creators on youtube about AI, but most of them are just clickbait in the title. Notice that in the various channels you will find on the utube platform.

    For example in the Thumbnail it says you can earn 1000$ using AIchatgpt, but when you watch it the content is very far from the title made in the thumbnail. It seems like it's really just for views, AI chatgpt was only used for influencers to make money,

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

AI posting is not acceptable in the forum because this a place for a discussion and not a QA from a bot that getting answer on the internet without stating the source on the post.

Technically it is, we have lots of  questions been asked daily and AI could be programmed to answer those questions as they're been asked. They can also be programed to provide links to the source where the got the information from. If this is done then the forum won't consider it plagiarism right? Of course not so an AI account can get away with that. This can even be ongoing and the account might go unnoticed for a while but will eventually be identified as an AI account since all the posts will be looking similar (providing answer to a quest been asked with links to sources).

Provided an AI provides the source to where she got the answers been supplied to the questions been asked, we can't call that plagiarism although I don't think any manager will accept such account into their campaign since it'll be unethical paying someone for just copy pasting answers already existing on the internet without adding any personal thoughts/reasoning to it.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Has anyone seen this?

Introducing Microsoft 365 Copilot | Your Copilot for Work (YouTube)

Introducing Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work (blog)

Microsoft: 365 Copilot chatbot is the AI-based future of work

We recently started talking about Chat gpt3 and now we have version 4 which is integrated into Microsoft's 365 copilot. From now on it will be used massively to write Word documents or to create a PowerPoint that you can just check after created

It seems to me that in the forum we will continue mowing by hand while the rest of the world will enthusiastically start using the mowing machine.

[Merit.s]

If Plagiarism leads to ban, why is AI posting not leading to a ban?

Plagiarism is a legal offense and can throw you to jail,if you are found guilty because you stole someone work to claim that it is yours. These are two offenses,stealing and lying,which I see a good reason why its penalty is permanent banned and I support it.

Considering that any post(s), that is not well connected in meaning with a flowing conversation can be regarded as a spam. I therefore suggest that the forum make an overall rule against AI posting.

Forum members using Chatbot to generate post shouldn't be a severe punishment because it was done by AI which is welcome in our society,it is only that the information was not from the poster's knowledge but readers can learn something from it. I accept the punishment for using posting AI generated post which is that campaign managers should kick them out of the campaign without pay. If this is done always,I guess it will make people using it to stop it,if not they will not get a signature campaign

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

But in the jurisdiction of Bitcointalk, do you think using bots to make or generate posts is ethical or should be acceptable?

Using AI is another advance way of making manipulations aimed at cheating others which should be unacceptable at any professional settings like this that has adequate moderacy, there's a campaign as well that promise to pay any one who could hunt down any of their participant found using AI to tell you it's something that could harm alot of things from the normal way it should be, how will you feels if you contact some and get a response from a programmed artificial intelligence bot.

[Zilon]

AI content is not crimes like plagiarism. Plagiarism means stealing someone's writing.  But the artificial intelligence of AI creates a content in its own way.  But AI can never create any new words, it collects information from Google or any other source, converts it into its own content with own strategy  and presents it to the customer. However, this forum declared AI posts not acceptable and added rules that no campaign  manager would accept AI posts and anyone using them would be kicked out of the campaign.  But I haven't seen any information that accounts will be banned for AI posts like Plagarism.  So of course AI content is less of a crime than plagiarism for this forum

AI posting should be treated just the same way as plagiarism because i see it as cheating the system, other campaign participants and fellow forum users. The main aim of banning users for plagiarism is to encourage authenticity and promote personal works and effort. If one must use AI to post, they should include reference to how the generated their post, Just the same way it is applicable to posting peoples work we provide links to their post.

Imagine every forum user uses AI generated posts to make threads, comments and replies, it will end up becoming a hall of spam and junk for the aim of hitting weekly quota and making post count. Also the merit system will be abused as well because it will be giving to people who don't deserve it.

[coinerer]

AI content is not crimes like plagiarism. Plagiarism means stealing someone's writing.  But the artificial intelligence of AI creates a content in its own way.  But AI can never create any new words, it collects information from Google or any other source, converts it into its own content with own strategy  and presents it to the customer. However, this forum declared AI posts not acceptable and added rules that no campaign  manager would accept AI posts and anyone using them would be kicked out of the campaign.  But I haven't seen any information that accounts will be banned for AI posts like Plagarism.  So of course AI content is less of a crime than plagiarism for this forum

AI posting should be treated just the same way as plagiarism because i see it as cheating the system, other campaign participants and fellow forum users. The main aim of banning users for plagiarism is to encourage authenticity and promote personal works and effort. If one must use AI to post, they should include reference to how the generated their post, Just the same way it is applicable to posting peoples work we provide links to their post.

AI like ChatGPT only chats with the customer so if you copy any post from here or copy any information and post it here, it is almost impossible to copy the reference link for it, in this case the user can only screenshot it and post its image link.  However, I don't think that would make any sense. Google has almost all kinds of information but from here you have to take a little trouble to find that information but from here you can read the article and know its proper information and post its reference link here. But very little need to post a reference link of any information.  Because, your talent is enough to post here

[Lucius]

Has anyone seen this?

I saw that version 4 is coming soon and is much more advanced than the previous version (I think that topic has been moved to an off-topic). I didn't know that something like that would be integrated into one of the most popular OS, although I'm not sure if that option is something that comes as part of a paid service package or if it will be free for everyone?

It seems to me that in the forum we will continue mowing by hand while the rest of the world will enthusiastically start using the mowing machine.

I don't see that it's a bad option, because people should communicate using their brains and keyboards, and not create posts by asking AI a question and then copy/paste something they probably don't understand. Such content can be of high quality, but if we accept it as something normal, we can admit that the age of humans is over and that the age of AI thoughts is beginning.

Imagine the situation that in x years you come to the forum and start looking for old members, and you only find a bunch of unknown accounts discussing some crazy things - only to realize later that they are not actually people, but AI bots that respond to each other literally every 5 seconds

[The Cryptovator]

It's not a good idea at all to ask the AI a question and then post the answer immediately here. Because, in reality, it isn't your content. Because AI is free to use for anybody and is akin to copying and pasting, you shouldn't get banned for this. But, you can get data from AI and share it here. Don't just copy and paste the entire article. However the AI creates information that is challenging to detect.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Imagine the situation that in x years you come to the forum and start looking for old members, and you only find a bunch of unknown accounts discussing some crazy things - only to realize later that they are not actually people, but AI bots that respond to each other literally every 5 seconds

In addition, the forum will lose the meaning of communication. If someone today understands whether a post was written by a person or a robot, he can perfectly distinguish all the dryness of answers from AI. Imagine a forum where there are only general conclusions, no jokes, and no different emotions, but some kind of parody of a short Wikipedia. Does anyone like it?
Today I found some posts from AI about how they want to revive them. The user just added the phrase "I think", but he doesn't even bother to change the capitalization.

I think The value of Bitcoin is highly volatile, and its price can fluctuate significantly in a short period of time. This makes it a risky investment, and some experts warn that the cryptocurrency may be in a speculative bubble.

   

And that's exactly what the future holds for the forum if spammers are allowed to use this tool.

[Lida93]

If Plagiarism leads to ban, why is AI posting not leading to a ban?

Considering that any post(s), that is not well connected in meaning with a flowing conversation can be regarded as a spam. I therefore suggest that the forum make an overall rule against AI posting.

Else a board should be created for AI posting where signature does not display, incase we don't want to fight a fast evolving technology.

I am personally against the use of AI posts being used by forum users that are wearing signature campaigns as their action makes the efforts of their counterpart in same signature campaign not recognized and appreciated when compared to their AI bot posts. Outside signature campaign, even in the forum it's really gonna a negative effect on the forum in years to come if we continue having more and more of AI posts as there will be more of artificial articles ruling over brain birthed ones from humans and this will degenerate humans ability to be creative about creating a good quality without the use of AI attached.
Plagiarism is different from AI bot as I understand so I rather go with the suggestion of OP to create room for where only AI posts are allowed to exist and campaign signatures shouldn't be recognize there. And default of such outside thay provided area for AI  posts should be treated as an offence with a definitely clearly stated punishment just like in the case with plagiarism that's clearly stated.

[Lucius]

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Today I found some posts from AI about how they want to revive them. The user just added the phrase "I think", but he doesn't even bother to change the capitalization.

This is just proof that it does not mean that someone will necessarily look "smart" if they use AI, but the exact opposite will happen. If you don't understand some of the basics of what you're asking the AI, then you can't even correct some mistakes that the AI can make.

What is certain is that some will try to "disguise" artificially created posts in a similar way (but also in some new innovative ways) as they do with plagiarism. However, as long as there are those who do not like such behavior, all of them will have a problem, regardless of how intelligent the AI they use is.

[macson]

Theymos is yet to implement any rules about AI posts so as of now those are considered as spam and constantly removed when mods find it and also few members were banned for abusing AI tools to farm account and fish merits but its more of mods choice if I am not wrong.

I hope there will be an update in the forum rules regarding this, atleast it should be have some warning sign like this post is created by AI so it won't be used for abusing the campaigns.

Do you guys this there will be any changes in the rules of bitcointalk after the evolution of AI?

i see that theymos will not apply strict rules to posters using AI, strict rules regarding the use of AI should be applied by the bounty manager of the signature campaign itself but over time we will can distinguish which users are using AI to make posts and which are not.

the use of AI in a post will only make the poster look like a coward!!

[bettercrypto]

Most topics in the forum are pretty lame anyway. You don't need the AI's opinion on those. When you are about to make a post on a serious matter, you can ask chatGPT's opinion, understand it and then repost it with your own sentences. Nobody will really notice that they are talking to an AI bot. But I think you don't need to take this forum that seriously. There isn't anything to gain. Even if you come up with the most sensible answers to the most serious questions, nobody will care.

Right now people are using chatgpt to make posts without being smart. They ask a question and copy/paste the answer without making any modifications to it. That's because people who use chatGPT to make posts don't know much of a Engrish in the first place.

It is like giving a monkey a machine gun. A soldier can use a machine gun effectively and kill lots of enemies but in the hands of a monkey you don't know who is going to be the next target because the monkey has no brains to use the gun effectively. He will just randomly press any buttons he can, shoot anything he can, sometimes himself too  ... No aim needed.

I just want to correct a little bit of what you said, there is a small brain unlike that of a human, so a monkey can't immediately understand such things if we compare it to a human mind or brain.

     Now, let's go back to the topic, there are others like the community here in the forum who in their understanding of plagiarism and AI are equally agreeable to them. The problem is because as you mentioned, others just copy and paste without editing. For example, I made a question in Chatgpt because when I made a question, chatgpt gave an answer that was created as a question, now is AI's answer to my question when I copy it, can it be called plagiarism?

[Maslate]

AI is actually useful. I have to admit, I also use it, but not to generate posts for me. Instead, I use it to correct my sentences since I'm not very good at English, as it is not my native language.

if you are having trouble with your sentences, you are better off using Grammarly instead of AI like chatgpt. I've been using Grammarly for years now.

I have used both Grammarly and ChatGPT, but I find ChatGPT more convenient for me when it comes to the forum. I use AI for grammar purposes only. I am actually a premium user since it is also very useful for my business, such as creating campaign materials, marketing, etc.

AI is very useful, but it should not be abused to the point where you are cheating just to get your job done.

[giammangiato]

how do you understand if the writer is a bot or not, it seems to me very difficult
This is the first question about the theme that comes to mind
secondly, they are actually two different things

I don't understand all this hype about chatGPT, I may be ignorant, but I don't understand it

[Crossholder]

how do you understand if the writer is a bot or not, it seems to me very difficult
This is the first question about the theme that comes to mind

Hey mate, actually, there are new AIs being released in order to figure out if any text has been created by an AI, you can see one example from Open AI itself below:
https://openai.com/blog/new-ai-classifier-for-indicating-ai-written-text

Just to add more fire, there are also some AI tools for camouflaging your AI usage out there.

I really do think that this discussion is necessary and if you are not understanding why the fuzz around it, maybe it would be an interesting moment to try it more often and engage in this kind of discussions as the disruptive power of that tech will, most probably, will impact your life inside and outside of this forum.

[zasad@]

I think The value of Bitcoin is highly volatile, and its price can fluctuate significantly in a short period of time. This makes it a risky investment, and some experts warn that the cryptocurrency may be in a speculative bubble.

   

And that's exactly what the future holds for the forum if spammers are allowed to use this tool.

Some mistakes the user also makes when in a hurry or using translators. Need to see other posts. Subscription campaign managers see these moments, and if they don't, there are users on the forum who will say so.
I looked at GPT Chat, a very handy application for schoolchildren to prepare reports or abstracts, but when using this tool for writing posts, you will not earn merit.