Any problems with *CHIPMIXER* coins?

[Timelord2067]

It looks like all you're going to get in this tread from this point on is glib one line posts from Signature Spammers echo-chambering what has been said already without actually contributing anything to the discussion.

[Yamane_Keto]

I started to see some members of the forum avoiding joining mixer campaigns and suddenly, in the same week, all staffs who were wearing mixers signatures stopped at same week and did not try to join any other mixing predictions campaign, so did I miss something?


@mocacinno

Since promoting privacy has become suspicious for some governements.

3 Staff here

It was a great week to be honest. We have lost few staffs. We will miss them. I am looking forward to work with them in the future. You will be missed.

One here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SLhz6zEmBSrlZ0wNJDMvKI5vOgBZzVjG8b9FlXpn-oQ/edit#gid=598916694
Is it a coincidence?
- Yamane

[LoyceV]

all staffs who were wearing mixers signatures stopped at same week and did not try to join any other mixing predictions campaign, so did I miss something?

Who? I only found OmegaStarScream, and he's now avoiding mixers and gambling altogether. That doesn't leave much else to advertise.

[Yamane_Keto]

Who? I only found OmegaStarScream,

During the past week, 4 staff members were deleted from two different mixer campaigns at the same time, and I don't think they were removed because of the quality of their posts as two of the members were advertising for one of the campaigns for more than a month.

It's assumptions and I may be obsessed with what happened, maybe I should stay away from thinking about this case.

- Yamane

[OmegaStarScream]

all staffs who were wearing mixers signatures stopped at same week and did not try to join any other mixing predictions campaign, so did I miss something?

Who? I only found OmegaStarScream, and he's now avoiding mixers and gambling altogether. That doesn't leave much else to advertise.

We (staff) were asked to stop advertising mixing services.

As for gambling services, then that's simply because of my religious beliefs.

[AB de Royse777]

We (staff) were asked to stop advertising mixing services.

I was told by all of you the reason but I wanted to keep it untold to the public space in case some of you feel uncomfortable. But now I can freely talk :-D

[kelonmusk]

Depositing ChipMixer mixed coins can potentially raise red flags with regulators or tax authorities, especially since ChipMixer.com has been seized. Generally, mixing coins can be seen as an attempt to obfuscate the origin of the coins, which may lead to suspicions of money laundering or other illicit activities.

I think it's important for your friend to consider the potential risks and consequences before selling these mixed coins. Depending on the jurisdiction, there may be legal requirements for reporting cryptocurrency transactions and paying taxes on any gains.

Probably, it would be a good idea for your friend to consult with a lawyer or tax professional who has experience with cryptocurrency transactions. They can provide guidance on how to stay compliant with relevant laws and regulations, and may be able to help mitigate any potential risks.

[yhiaali3]

It is really unfortunate that mixers have turned into a trap, instead of mixers completely concealing identity, any bitcoin that comes from the mixer has become a source of great concern that puts its owner at risk!!!

I don't know how but there should be a final solution to this problem, if the centralized exchanges are able to detect the bitcoin coming from the mixer then what is the point of the mixer?

[bitmover]

I don't know how but there should be a final solution to this problem, if the centralized exchanges are able to detect the bitcoin coming from the mixer then what is the point of the mixer?

Well, there are many solutions. Some good solutions are in the first page of the topic.

But you won't find them if you don't read the topic before posting 

Eli5: just make some transactions and /or split coins before sending to an exchange.

[RapTarX]

We (staff) were asked to stop advertising mixing services.

As for gambling services, then that's simply because of my religious beliefs.

That's quite unusual from theymos, I can't believe so LOL.
Respect your beliefs.

Nevertheless, what you are currently promoting (me too), doesn't it fall in the same category as a mixing service? In my opinion, it does. The only difference is they are mentioning themselves as an exchange (No KYC). How theymos is approving this?

My bad, I have gone too far off-topic in this thread I guess.

[yhiaali3]

I don't know how but there should be a final solution to this problem, if the centralized exchanges are able to detect the bitcoin coming from the mixer then what is the point of the mixer?

Well, there are many solutions. Some good solutions are in the first page of the topic.

But you won't find them if you don't read the topic before posting 

Eli5: just make some transactions and /or split coins before sending to an exchange.

Well, thank you for alerting me to read before posting, but I did. I read the solution that you provided in the first comments, but I did not like it, just as other members did not like it. This is a quote, for example:

Would that really change the fact that he didn't use a mixer? No, because all of his txs will be identifiable easily by on-chain analysts I think as there are a lot of different criteria, and clues they use. Well, I'm saying this in general, not necessarily applied to OP.

I also think so, I think even with the solution you provided it is still possible by deep analysis of the blockchain to know that this bitcoin came out of the mixer.

[bitmover]

I also think so, I think even with the solution you provided it is still possible by deep analysis of the blockchain to know that this bitcoin came out of the mixer.

You can watch the video from Antonopoulos. Exchanges cannot make deep bitcoin analysis of every satoshi it receives, otherwise they simple won`t receive from anyone. Because a lot of coins have one time been in a mixer or casino at least once. There must be a limit to how long they will make a blockchain analysis.

Mixers are certainly not a 'trap'   and they are not a great risk for people who use it.

[dragonvslinux]

all staffs who were wearing mixers signatures stopped at same week and did not try to join any other mixing predictions campaign, so did I miss something?

Who? I only found OmegaStarScream, and he's now avoiding mixers and gambling altogether. That doesn't leave much else to advertise.

We (staff) were asked to stop advertising mixing services.

Well that's not a good sign! Are we allowed to know the reason(s) why? I mean I can imagine why this was asked, but am more curious as to why (who?) it was recommended by.

If it's asked that staff don't engage in advertising mixing services, then it begs the question as to why it's generally not recommended to users of the forum in general...

Glad to see you found another signature campaign (not mixing or gambling) to be part of at least.

[yhiaali3]

I also think so, I think even with the solution you provided it is still possible by deep analysis of the blockchain to know that this bitcoin came out of the mixer.

You can watch the video from Antonopoulos. Exchanges cannot make deep bitcoin analysis of every satoshi it receives, otherwise they simple won`t receive from anyone. Because a lot of coins have one time been in a mixer or casino at least once. There must be a limit to how long they will make a blockchain analysis.

Mixers are certainly not a 'trap'   and they are not a great risk for people who use it.

Thank you again, I watched the video, you are correct from this point I don't disagree with you on this, exchanges will not bother and pay more money in order to scan every bitcoin transaction they receive, that will cost a lot of time and money.

For small amounts of Bitcoin, this is definitely not a problem. The problem will be with large amounts, which are naturally attractive. My question is, can it really be completely hidden?

The question is another way, if the exchange suspects any user who has deposited a large amount of Bitcoin and does a deep analysis of the deposit address, wouldn't it be able to tell that the Bitcoin came out of the mixer earlier? Even if CoinJoin was used in the last wallet? this is the question.

It is true that this costs a lot of fees but it is still possible if the exchange wants to do it, right?

[RapTarX]

For small amounts of Bitcoin, this is definitely not a problem. The problem will be with large amounts, which are naturally attractive. My question is, can it really be completely hidden?

The question is another way, if the exchange suspects any user who has deposited a large amount of Bitcoin and does a deep analysis of the deposit address, wouldn't it be able to tell that the Bitcoin came out of the mixer earlier? Even if CoinJoin was used in the last wallet? this is the question.

It is true that this costs a lot of fees but it is still possible if the exchange wants to do it, right?

Exchanges will only know when the related input is connected to any of the known mixer addresses but that's very much unlikely as Mixer won't do that mistake knowingly. Binance had once frozen a transaction from ChipMixer (or any other) though later they released the transaction. If they want to know if someone is using a mixer, I guess they can through the help of on-chain analysts & I guess exchanges use such services. Otherwise, how on-chain analysts are making money  LOL.

[Synchronice]

YAh, another topic about mixers.
*My friend* has some coins that were mixed during the past years, moved them into cold storage, and he wants to sell them in the future.
Are there any complaints about closing KYCed accounts, tax reports or problems that resulted from depositing ChipMixer mixed coins? Specifically after ChipMixer.com has been seized.

- Yamane

He can simple make a few hops, about 5 transactions is enough

Let's suppose this is his situation:

ChipAddresz > Address1

He just need to make soemthing like this, inside his own wallet.

ChipAdd > Add1 > Add2 > add3 > add4 > add5 > exchange

as he is transfering to himself, he can use 1 sat/vbyte in those transactions. he can also split the values.

this is make those coins look to be far from the mixer and the exchange wont notice them (most likely)

But if, exchanges system made an alert, let's say false alert and then they check to be sure and discovered that you did 5 transaction the way you described, won't it be much more problematic case? It looks very suspicious, at least for me, to send funds that way and I think that won't be hard to detect for exchange algorithms.
I think, and logically this should be the deal, if you haven't done anything illegal, you should be safe. But, in order to get rid of any possible unwanted problem, to my mind, it's good to send funds from that address to your another address (if you have) which is active and clean, then from here to your friend's address and then from your friend's address to another friend's address who has Binance.
If you don't have that many friends active in bitcoin world, then I think it sounds good to exchange bitcoin in altcoins via some non-kyc exchanges which you can search on BestChange and then get those altcoins on your exchange account.
Another possible way to solve this problem is to do this: If you have friend in less crypto-regulated country and services in that country don't block their customers so easily or on another hand, they don't care about source of crypto, then you could probably use that help of a friend.

ATMs were already mentioned, p2p exchanges were mentioned. I'm not too knowledgeable in this task, so take my advice with a grain of salt in this case.

[BenCodie]

He can simple make a few hops, about 5 transactions is enough

Let's suppose this is his situation:

ChipAddresz > Address1

He just need to make soemthing like this, inside his own wallet.

ChipAdd > Add1 > Add2 > add3 > add4 > add5 > exchange

as he is transfering to himself, he can use 1 sat/vbyte in those transactions. he can also split the values.

this is make those coins look to be far from the mixer and the exchange wont notice them (most likely)

Would that really change the fact that he didn't use a mixer? No, because all of his txs will be identifiable easily by on-chain analysts I think as there are a lot of different criteria, and clues they use. Well, I'm saying this in general, not necessarily applied to OP.

@OP, I have deposited ChipMixer chips in a centralized exchange and I got no problem so far. That was to break the link of my personal saving wallet/cold wallet. For no other purposes I used mixer though 

I was about to say the same thing. Not only is the low sat/vbyte a way to identify that it is the same wallet owner transferring between their addresses, the coins still link to chipmixer coins that are probably all linked to chipmixer at this stage.

The best solution is to use a current mixing service and/or to use instant, kyc free utilities to move into more private blockchains and then to the chain of choice. Sending transactions to your own address is a band-aid solution, if it could even be considered a solution.

[ChuckBuck]

The best solution is to use a current mixing service and/or to use instant, kyc free utilities to move into more private blockchains and then to the chain of choice. Sending transactions to your own address is a band-aid solution, if it could even be considered a solution.

Just a bit curious about this, as I haven't seen it in the news lately, I was told that Chipmixer is banned for money laundering, so, what about other mixers? After Chipmixer, a series of other mixers took the throne to replace it, do you think we will meet the same thing in the future? It's like I'm talking about something illegal, maybe 

[Upgrade00]

After Chipmixer, a series of other mixers took the throne to replace it, do you think we will meet the same thing in the future? It's like I'm talking about something illegal, maybe  

No, I do not think they would meet the same fate. The recent series of events shows that the government has been monitoring chipmixer for a while now, maybe since its inception and only now found a reason to fully come in for it, making it only the 2nd big mixer to be seized that I am aware of.

Other mixers are surely under the radar of the authorities, but are not at this of meeting the same fate. They are not illegal and can only be indicted when there is strong proof of illegal flow of money through them.

I was about to say the same thing. Not only is the low sat/vbyte a way to identify that it is the same wallet owner transferring between their addresses, the coins still link to chipmixer coins that are probably all linked to chipmixer at this stage.

Bitmover was trying to say that the exchanges would only scan the surface of the transaction history, maybe through an automated system and would not scrutinize all the details of previous transactions nor go too far back.

There are so many reasons for a low feerate transaction besides me sending to myself.

[ChuckBuck]

Other mixers are surely under the radar of the authorities, but are not at this of meeting the same fate. They are not illegal and can only be indicted when there is strong proof of illegal flow of money through them.

But it also means that any mixer could be the next target. It's not too strange if a mixer is involved in money laundering, the larger the mixer, the harder it is to judge. Who knows when they started investigating 

Bitmover was trying to say that the exchanges would only scan the surface of the transaction history, maybe through an automated system and would not scrutinize all the details of previous transactions nor go too far back.

Personally, I think they are just doing it to make sure they are doing the right thing legally, suspicious transactions will be sent out, but it certainly won't be investigated too deeply, they don't really do it because they want, they do it because the government wants