[POLL] Question for Lenders concerning loans to enable Ponzi/HYPI etc to occur:

[Timelord2067]

He's taken to ignoring you and HedgeFX it would seem

Incorrect.

Angst and denial are to be expected followed by a couple users who say they "don't want to get involved or take sides" posts ...  But then they do take sides without offering any counter proof after all.

There's nothing to respond to.

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[nutildah]

There's nothing to respond to.

The accounts you accused of being involved with Ponzis just countered your accusations with details that anyone reasonable would find sufficient as rationale that your evidence against them is flawed. You're not even the slightest bit interested in removing their ratings or flags?

[Timelord2067]

There's nothing to respond to.

The accounts you accused of being involved with Ponzis just countered your accusations with details that anyone reasonable would find sufficient as rationale that your evidence against them is flawed. You're not even the slightest bit interested in removing their ratings or flags?

Here's what we know so far:

Both claim they didn't do it while one claims they are on the Italian boards.

That is all.

Meanwhile as you have no doubt seen by trolling my posts in other threads, I have been seeking out information on the exchange and their apparent use of a single hot wallet for all inbound and outbound transactions together with the reading thought the various scam accusations against the exchange dating back to 2017.  (not to mention other users in those threads giving undertakings to have a look at the proof objectively).

Other than Trolling me (yet again) what's your interest in these two ?

[nutildah]

Meanwhile as you have no doubt seen by trolling my posts in other threads, I have been seeking out information on the exchange and their apparent use of a single hot wallet for all inbound and outbound transactions together with the reading thought the various scam accusations against the exchange dating back to 2017.  (not to mention other users in those threads giving undertakings to have a look at the proof objectively).

The only time I respond to you is to defend people you are smearing for no valid reason, which happens a lot.

The exchange has two TRON hot wallets. You mentioned both of them -- the explorer you use labels them both as belonging to Okex:

https://tronscan.org/#/address/TJbHp48Shg4tTD5x6fKkU7PodggL5mjcJP

https://tronscan.org/#/address/TWGZbjofbTLY3UCjCV4yiLkRg89zLqwRgi

What does "various scam accusations against the exchange" have to do with baselessly tagging & flagging forum users?

Let's make things extremely simple:

- The two accounts both use Okex for TRON network transactions.
- The Okex TRON hot wallets have been (incorrectly) labeled as belonging to HYIPs when HYIPs simply use Okex to make payouts to participants.
- You assume that because these two accounts use Okex, they must therefore be not only Ponzi scheme participants but also alt accounts.

Is that correct? If not, what am I missing?



Does anybody else not see the flawed logic involved with Timelord's assumptions?

[alterra57]

There's nothing to respond to.

The accounts you accused of being involved with Ponzis just countered your accusations with details that anyone reasonable would find sufficient as rationale that your evidence against them is flawed. You're not even the slightest bit interested in removing their ratings or flags?

Here's what we know so far:

Both claim they didn't do it while one claims they are on the Italian boards.

That is all.

Meanwhile as you have no doubt seen by trolling my posts in other threads, I have been seeking out information on the exchange and their apparent use of a single hot wallet for all inbound and outbound transactions together with the reading thought the various scam accusations against the exchange dating back to 2017.  (not to mention other users in those threads giving undertakings to have a look at the proof objectively).

Other than Trolling me (yet again) what's your interest in these two ?

What you're saying has absolutely nothing to do with me, it's an OKX hot wallet, you haven't correctly done your homework, you're not an on-chain investigator as shown by this topic. I once again demand the removal of the negative trust as it is there for absolutely no reason! I will do everything in my power to expose this little circus of yours and I will make sure to involve a lot more members of this forum, because it is clear to me, common sense is not so common with you.

[CYBER_COWBOY]

Meanwhile as you have no doubt seen by trolling my posts in other threads, I have been seeking out information on the exchange and their apparent use of a single hot wallet for all inbound and outbound transactions together with the reading thought the various scam accusations against the exchange dating back to 2017.  (not to mention other users in those threads giving undertakings to have a look at the proof objectively).

The only time I respond to you is to defend people you are smearing for no valid reason, which happens a lot.

The exchange has two TRON hot wallets. You mentioned both of them -- the explorer you use labels them both as belonging to Okex:

https://tronscan.org/#/address/TJbHp48Shg4tTD5x6fKkU7PodggL5mjcJP

https://tronscan.org/#/address/TWGZbjofbTLY3UCjCV4yiLkRg89zLqwRgi

What does "various scam accusations against the exchange" have to do with baselessly tagging & flagging forum users?

Let's make things extremely simple:

- The two accounts both use Okex for TRON network transactions.
- The Okex TRON hot wallets have been (incorrectly) labeled as belonging to HYIPs when HYIPs simply use Okex to make payouts to participants.
- You assume that because these two accounts use Okex, they must therefore be not only Ponzi scheme participants but also alt accounts.

Is that correct? If not, what am I missing?



Does anybody else not see the flawed logic involved with Timelord's assumptions?

Maybe my post will get deleted again for off-topic

Well. If somebody get accused and get negative feedback and flagged for something they haven´t done then that its wrong.
So in that way I agree with you.

But I also don´t know what the truth is here, but I think Timelord don´t know the truth either to 100% and then its wrong to do give negative feedback.
Feedback should never been given out because opinions, just fact and truth.


Now I wont post any more here and I hope this solves out for the best for everyone.

[LoyceV]

Someone asked for my opinion on Timelord2067's accusation against HedgeFx. It seems to me that nutildah has proven the "link" between accounts is because they both use the same exchange. Thousands of people will do the same, that doesn't make them alts.
Unless there's something I missed, I don't see the problem there.

@Timelord2067: you're on DefaultTrust again, which means you should be very sure before handing out negative feedback. And if you make an accusation, it should be easy to verify all facts.

Who is Kraken ?

I assume this is [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange with USD EUR GBP JPY CAD BTC LTC XRP NMC XDG STR ETH. They've been around for a decade.

[Timelord2067]

I'm on my way to work and will respond later in the day.


Do anyone have any information that can back up the observation that the exchange uses just two hot wallets purportedly for millions of dollars of transactions for all of its users?

By information I'm talking about websites that have independently observed this phenomena.  From what I can tell it's main user base is in China even though it is headquartered in elsewhere.

Does Tron (USDT TRC20) also have this same phenomena?

[alterra57]

I'm on my way to work and will respond later in the day.


Do anyone have any information that can back up the observation that the exchange uses just two hot wallets purportedly for millions of dollars of transactions for all of its users?

By information I'm talking about websites that have independently observed this phenomena.  From what I can tell it's main user base is in China even though it is headquartered in elsewhere.

Does Tron (USDT TRC20) also have this same phenomena?

Here he goes again with more useless replies, a total time waste. It does not matter how many hot wallets OKX has, that does not change the fact that you falsely accused me and HedgeFX of being the same person who's running a Ponzi scheme and are using multiple accounts. The wallets are tagged at the explorer by an independent 3rd party. Remove the negative trust and from now on, be very careful.

[HedgeFx]

So you are assuming that if I use , for example, my binance account for pay someone , me and this one are the same person?
Your accusations it's all a figment of your imagination.
I have the pm with Alterra where I ask him time extension, as I asked time extension to Shasan every time I paid “late” as you wrote: this is because in my work I travel a lot and can’t be always on my wallets. I never go overdue , because each time I agreed with the lender first.
You invented a Ponzi, and Hyps but simply this is only in your fantasy.
Accept you made a mistake and delete your negative trust, otherwise I will open a scam accusations in the board asking for support from the other members against your defamatory accusations.
This is my first and last warning.

I'm on my way to work and will respond later in the day.


Do anyone have any information that can back up the observation that the exchange uses just two hot wallets purportedly for millions of dollars of transactions for all of its users?

By information I'm talking about websites that have independently observed this phenomena.  From what I can tell it's main user base is in China even though it is headquartered in elsewhere.

Does Tron (USDT TRC20) also have this same phenomena?

[LoyceV]

Accept you made a mistake and delete your negative trust, otherwise I will open a scam accusations in the board asking for support from the other members against your defamatory accusations.

This shouldn't be a scam accusation, but it fits the Reputation board.

Most of this topic should have been on the Reputation board too.

[Timelord2067]

Actually - you know what?

Let's all do an experiment...

Download and install the OKX App from your favourite app store.

• Register.
• Select Wallet.
• Copy the twelve word seed phrase when prompted to do so.
• Select Bitcoin and send a small amount.  (This step isn't really necessary)
• Select Tron and send a small amount (1,000 Tron is fine).
• Select USDT taking care to select the Tron network.

Observe the wallet address.

Does it start with TAMw5L ... ??

Does it start with TM1zzND ... ??

Does it start with Tsomething else  ... ??

Now go back and with a new twelve word seed phrase create a new wallet and another ... and another ... (or, from the drop down menu add account - Observe the USDT Tron wallet address)


@LoyceV @nutildah @mendace @CYBER_COWBOY @examplens @gordonics.com are you absolutely certain that the exchange uses THE SAME WALLET for all transactions.

Hopefully @yahoo62278 and @1miau are have also done the above task.


Given that the exchange uses a twelve word seeds wallet known only to you, How can both @alterra57 and @HedgeFx send funds FROM the same wallet unless they are alts?

[CYBER_COWBOY]

@LoyceV @nutildah @mendace @CYBER_COWBOY @examplens @gordonics.com are you absolutely certain that the exchange uses THE SAME WALLET for all transactions.

Hopefully @yahoo62278 and @1miau are have also done the above task.

Hello Timelord.
No I am not sure about anything and I for sure don´t know the truth what have happen here.
I see what you doing and i appreciate it, you want a clear and scam free forum and I thank you for that!
But just maybe for the future don´t give feedback and flags to "early".. before you got 100% solid proof?
Maybe you have right in this case, I actually don´t know.
But I think you ain't 100% sure, you have a feeling and think, and that´s not wrong, but what gets wrong is if the accusing coming to early.
And IF.. you are wrong, because we all are humans and doing wrong sometimes, its no big deal to have wrong sometimes, but if it´s so then in my opinion the flag+feedback should be removed.

Have a great day.

[LoyceV]

• Select Wallet.

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the exchange uses THE SAME WALLET for all transactions.

If you don't understand the difference between an exchange and your own self-custodial wallet, you should not use on-chain data for making accusations.

are you absolutely certain that the exchange uses THE SAME WALLET for all transactions.

I don't know. And it doesn't matter. It's safe to assume the forum users you're accusing didn't make 6.4 million transactions and don't own $49 million in TRX.

Timelord2067 was removed from DT2 again. I can't easily check who did it, that's for next Saturday.

@Timelord2067: my advise: stick to the clear cases. You've left many good feedbacks but those won't matter much if you pollute them with bad ones.

[Timelord2067]

No I am not sure about anything and I for sure don´t know the truth what have happen here.

I can only suggest you either verify what I wrote or not.

are you absolutely certain

I don't know.

You also quoted the wrong wallet - not that it matters much given you have worn rose coloured horse blinkers in this forum for quite a long time now.

Disappointing really.

[nutildah]

You also quoted the wrong wallet

He didn't -- you did. These are the two Okex hot wallets as labeled by the TRON explorer you originally referenced:

The exchange has two TRON hot wallets. You mentioned both of them -- the explorer you use labels them both as belonging to Okex:

https://tronscan.org/#/address/TJbHp48Shg4tTD5x6fKkU7PodggL5mjcJP

https://tronscan.org/#/address/TWGZbjofbTLY3UCjCV4yiLkRg89zLqwRgi

Here's your initial reference of them for convenience:

25 minutes later, those funds ( 299 USDT Trc20) are moved to wallet TJbHp48Shg4tTD5x6fKkU7PodggL5mjcJP via TX cc9649e5f27218d646369b4f04bca34db123d265c6e716fa471112a715787640
...
24 minutes later, those funds are transferred to wallet TWGZbjofbTLY3UCjCV4yiLkRg89zLqwRgi via TX 123e978a8b7b83f98ed6506c0b83157b58d1d53a6b03ca21d1f125e71644793c

[Timelord2067]

Wrong again:

...

Here is what I wrote:

TM1zzNDZD2DPASbKcgdVoTYhfmYgtfwx9R is used by both alterra57 and HedgeFx

Conclusion:

2 Accounts Connected:

HedgeFx, alterra57,

The post remains unedited.

[hopenotlate]

Wrong again:

...

Here is what I wrote:

TM1zzNDZD2DPASbKcgdVoTYhfmYgtfwx9R is used by both alterra57 and HedgeFx

Conclusion:

2 Accounts Connected:

HedgeFx, alterra57,

Actually the one who is wrong it's you.
Based on the quoted part the correct conclusion is both alterra57 amd HedgeFx use Okex exchange : any other conclusion is your unsubstantiated assumption.

You should admit it, apologize and remove negative tag.

Everyone of us can be wrong sometimes, what makes the difference is recognizing it and admitting it when it happens.

[Timelord2067]

Actually the one who is wrong it's you.
Based on the quoted part the correct conclusion is both alterra57 amd HedgeFx use Okex exchange : any other conclusion is your unsubstantiated assumption.

You should admit it, apologize and remove negative tag.

Everyone of us can be wrong sometimes, what makes the difference is recognizing it and admitting it when it happens.

It's probably escaped your notice that I have presented the facts as I see them in a professional manor and have not allowed myself to become involved in petty name calling, threats or retaliatory attacks up to and including creating flags on a whim as one of the alts has done which demonstrates how untrustworthy they are.

Just because one person says "You're wrong!" doesn't make it right - the rest is just an echo chamber.

Off topic posts (threats) have been removed.  Thread has been derailed and will be locked for now, but I'll revisit this at a later time.


Final score in the vote is four UID's for borrowers lending for the purposes of participating in a Ponzi/Hyip while seventeen users are against borrowers lending for the purposes of participating in a Ponzi/Hyip


As well as a retalitory Flag, this retalitory trust feedback dropped on my trust feed back page in an attempt to silence me:

HedgeFx

2023-06-06

Reference

This user left me unjust negative feedback without any reasons - Trust abuser

*edit*

After four grueling days waiting for my bitcoin transfer transaction to confirm with the exchange in question (to then convert into USDT) I have been able to (eventually) recreate similar circumstances for outbound USDT TRC 20 transactions which appear as though funds are (double sent / two step) firstly from a wallet on the exchange to one of the exchange hot wallets and then from another hot wallet to the recipient.

In effect the exchange has it's own in built mixer.

Recovering funds from a borrower who absconds with borrowed funds would be even more hard to track for a lender - especially if no collateral has been provided.

While I haven't done inbound (i.e. deposits) to users on the exchange I'm guessing the is a similar two step process (probably three - deposit, hot mixer then the recipient's wallet address)