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April 07, 2023, 07:17:24 AM
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I still don't understand how can a bonus round is classified as skill based? I think it's still purely on luck, but you're getting more chance to win because you spend more money until you get the bonus round. Is there any casino which have bonus round? I never experienced that, what I know is free spin and bonus buy feature. A slot which have bonus round is still luck based for me.

In slot games actually theres no skill base its just norms of the people having the proper way of making the pull of a lever, timing of the push, and the number of taps those are just the beliefs of the gamblers in terms of playing slot games, its all about the odds of the chance of winning, if you win the game they will tell you that you are a skilled but actuall you just hit the odds to get win. In traditional slots you can make a lever adjust depends on your pull in new slot games theres only a button and makes a turn rate of it like the players does not have a fully control on the movement or timing.
There's no indeed skill involved when playing up slots on which it is really just that pulling a lever or would really be just pressing a button on which means that there's no involved on that or you could be able to influence

on what would be the result which means that luck would be always the main sole reason whether you would win or not.There's no skill that would really be involved.This is why its really that hard to believe that

there would be some casinos would really be having that kind of game type which slots game could really be applied with some skill which cant be possible.No matter how you do make out strategies
or analysis, there's no way that you could be able to increase your winning chances.

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April 07, 2023, 10:06:27 AM
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I heard about skill-based slots recently but I still haven't able to play any slots of that type. I also currently have zero knowledge of names/titles of anu skill-based slots. Can you give us any example?

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April 07, 2023, 11:48:55 AM
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I still don't understand how can a bonus round is classified as skill based? I think it's still purely on luck, but you're getting more chance to win because you spend more money until you get the bonus round. Is there any casino which have bonus round? I never experienced that, what I know is free spin and bonus buy feature. A slot which have bonus round is still luck based for me.

In slot games actually theres no skill base its just norms of the people having the proper way of making the pull of a lever, timing of the push, and the number of taps those are just the beliefs of the gamblers in terms of playing slot games, its all about the odds of the chance of winning, if you win the game they will tell you that you are a skilled but actuall you just hit the odds to get win. In traditional slots you can make a lever adjust depends on your pull in new slot games theres only a button and makes a turn rate of it like the players does not have a fully control on the movement or timing.
Those of us who know that slot games are gambling games based on luck will not say that special skills can be learned to win these games. But those who believe it will say the opposite and still believe that there is a skill base needed to win from slot games. Maybe there is or not and that's up to each person because we can't blame someone who believes that skill-based slot games exist.

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April 07, 2023, 01:39:37 PM
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How is pressing a button a skill  Grin I guess there is nothing much about slot games than pushing a button, as a gambler you need to rely on luck more than your skill, if there is no luck in gambling then it's no more a gambling game, this is not beat em up or mortal combat where players rely entirely on skills.

Gambling is mostly about luck, which is why you should play only with money that you can lose. There is always a high possibility of losing the game even if you are very smart. This is a casino after all, so don't play with too much money.

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April 07, 2023, 02:04:19 PM
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I heard about skill-based slots recently but I still haven't able to play any slots of that type. I also currently have zero knowledge of names/titles of anu skill-based slots. Can you give us any example?

It's interesting to learn about skill-based slot machines and how they differ from traditional ones. I didn't know that was a thing either. I'm assuming the bonus rounds are like mini-games within the slot game where players have to complete certain challenges or objectives to increase their chances of winning? I haven't tried them myself, but it seems like a fun way to incorporate video game elements into casino games.

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April 07, 2023, 02:08:21 PM
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I heard about skill-based slots recently but I still haven't able to play any slots of that type. I also currently have zero knowledge of names/titles of anu skill-based slots. Can you give us any example?

Same here, I don't even know how these bonus rounds that they're talking about look. In what way do we measure skill? Skill in what?
An example of a skill based gambling machine could be a pinball table made in such way to work like a slot machine and pay people for high scores. Usually a slot machine has just one roll button/lever and the only thing you can change is the stake, number of slots, or the theme, you can't really react to what the machine is showing. To allow for skill test the machine would need to work like an arcade machine, allowing you to test memory or reaction time. I'd play something like that if I had the chance.

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April 07, 2023, 07:19:30 PM
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I think that's over now right? I haven't seen this offered anywhere yet. Even if the article states it is still a thing, I still don't find any game like that on my usual online casinos.

It seems to me so complicated for a casino to offer a slot in this genre, it seems to me almost contradictory with the primary purpose of slot games.

Anyway thanks OP, it was a very interesting article, I will try to find more resources on this subject
I don't think it's over but it is more like it isn't very popular or widely used, and it might only be available at some land-based casinos for now. The concept sounds pretty interesting but we can't really make any judgments before we witness it ourselves since it isn't available on online platforms, it's difficult to understand how it actually works.

I've not checked yet but maybe there are videos available about it and its gameplay on YouTube or maybe on social media channels. I will try if I can find some because I'm also curious to know how it really works.
This might be interesting I think but sadly, I have never experienced something like this in the casino I mostly played. But if this really exists, surely this will available hopefully soon in land-based casinos but I have hard time understanding on how this skill based slot machines might work knowing as much as slot games are concern, it’s only purely luck and no skills involved. But we’ll get to know more this if this already available in local casinos.

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April 07, 2023, 07:58:25 PM
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I read in an article that in Malta in land-based casinos have established a lot of slots in which the gambler is much more involved in the process of gambling than in our usual slots.  I, like many others have not yet experienced such slots, but I would love to try to play when I will have the opportunity.


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April 07, 2023, 08:19:13 PM
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Today I am reading about skill based slot machines which is very popular among millennials. This is the first time I am reading this in my life as a gambler. All that I have known about slot machines is that the outcome is purely based on luck1 as a result of the Random number Generator (RGN). From what I read, the major difference between this skill based slot machines and the regular/traditional ones we know is that there is a bonus round for the players to2 display their skills which gives them a greater chance of winning. Despite this, the odds are still stacked up against the player.
Has anyone here tried it out?
Which do you prefer, traditional slots or skill-based slots?
Does it even really matter?
Being given a chance to gamble again on a skill-based slot doesn't give an assurance that the game cuts; it's simply an insentive to play again, that's it.
The RGN isn't really favourable on the other hand yunno.... Cus don't nobody wants to keep doing the same thing over and over again, with different outcome but the same results..no one!! It's made too random that a win is not even guaranteed in a RARE case. I'd even prefer playing in real casino houses,..I'm just thinking it's built with a less level of sentiments

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April 07, 2023, 08:35:55 PM
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Today I am reading about skill based slot machines which is very popular among millennials. This is the first time I am reading this in my life as a gambler. All that I have known about slot machines is that the outcome is purely based on luck1 as a result of the Random number Generator (RGN). From what I read, the major difference between this skill based slot machines and the regular/traditional ones we know is that there is a bonus round for the players to2 display their skills which gives them a greater chance of winning. Despite this, the odds are still stacked up against the player.
Has anyone here tried it out?
Which do you prefer, traditional slots or skill-based slots?

1. http://bostonsportsextra.com/skill-based-slot-machines-what-are-they-and-how-they-work/
2. http://web.archive.org/slot1.sbs/76959.html


No matter  how the games come from slot machines then it's basically based on luck and I love the fact that people with special skills are given the opportunity to showcase their skills and that will always make people want to get more advance with the game.
People would want to make this game more competitive and that is already an added advantage for the casino and slot machines.

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April 07, 2023, 08:39:00 PM
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Money management could be considered a kind of skill when playing slots, you don't want to run out before you have achieved a big win but its easy to do so.   Maybe my call of skill equates to superstition not sure but ideally you bet a larger amount when with a good chance of winning and only smaller amounts when just turning over the slot waiting for the bonus to trigger or similar payouts.  Mix the two up and you can run out of money just as it will pay, I used to know a barman who did this and waited till the player left and collected back the money they had paid in as he knew when it was ready to pay.

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April 07, 2023, 09:04:59 PM
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In slot games actually theres no skill base its just norms of the people having the proper way of making the pull of a lever, timing of the push, and the number of taps those are just the beliefs of the gamblers in terms of playing slot games, its all about the odds of the chance of winning, if you win the game they will tell you that you are a skilled but actuall you just hit the odds to get win. In traditional slots you can make a lever adjust depends on your pull in new slot games theres only a button and makes a turn rate of it like the players does not have a fully control on the movement or timing.
Though there's incomplete information as to how it basically works, it is said that a skill-based slots machine will have a bonus round where a player can play a certain game that requires you to make a score or something which probably depends on how good you can be at the game, so that is considered being a skill-based game.

Now, the unanswered question that everyone has is how that increases the chances of the player to win more in the slots itself out of that bonus round, and I believe we can only know that if we witness it ourselves.

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April 07, 2023, 11:39:01 PM
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Even the traditional slot machines requires personal skills to win, If not how would they have made up a skill based slot machine. Slot machines relies on the player's ability to make decisions. We all know that no specific means of determining what actually works in slot machines exists, but finding a malfunctioning slot machine is also a skill to win the house and gain top profits. I read through the article and it wasn't sure what kind of skill they talked about if not giving out bonus to the player to try luck in form of skills. I think the bonus is the only difference between the traditional slot machine and skilled based slot machines since it's not 100% sure that the player in skilled based machine would win, similar to the traditional based machines it's not guaranteed that the player would lose completely because they're playing on traditional machines.

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April 07, 2023, 11:52:57 PM
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So even if slots add an element of skill for the player, at the end the most important factor when it comes to winning is still their luck, as it is unlikely any casino will implement a slot machine with a bonus which will make them to lose any money.

In other words, we should not expect that a considered skill-based slot machine will really have the same approach as what a skill-based game is supposed to be. It's hard to apply skills in a considered gambling type that is really known as a luck-based game.

In luck-based games, the skill that should be applied is how to manage properly our bankroll to lasts for a long run.

That also includes the ability to fight temptation to continue more once winning a decent amount on the way.
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April 07, 2023, 11:56:56 PM
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I still don't understand how can a bonus round is classified as skill based? I think it's still purely on luck, but you're getting more chance to win because you spend more money until you get the bonus round. Is there any casino which have bonus round? I never experienced that, what I know is free spin and bonus buy feature. A slot which have bonus round is still luck based for me.

In slot games actually there's no skill base its just norms of the people having the proper way of making the pull of a lever, timing of the push, and the number of taps those are just the beliefs of the gamblers in terms of playing slot games, its all about the odds of the chance of winning, if you win the game they will tell you that you are a skilled but actuall you just hit the odds to get win. In traditional slots you can make a lever adjust depends on your pull in new slot games theres only a button and makes a turn rate of it like the players does not have a fully control on the movement or timing.

Some gambling houses make them feel and realize that there is skill involved in slot based games and therefore they want the gamblers to focus more on Slot games thinking it is the skill that can make them win. Usually, gamblers know that all gambling games are luck based, and they quit games if they are on losing track thinking their luck is not with them for the day. However, by declaring slot is skill based game, gamblers might keep on trying the slot games despite losing them and thinking they may win the next game because of their skill.

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April 08, 2023, 12:36:29 PM
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You are probably misunderstanding the whole concept here, the implementation of a skill-based bonus round doesn't mean that the luck factor is removed, there cannot be a game of gambling that can be won without luck, no matter how much changes, developments, and implementations are made for it, it will still be a game of luck at the end of the day.

Your winnings will still be dependent on luck even in a skill-based slots machine, the only difference will be is that you will be given a bonus round where you can maximize your winnings by playing a skill-based game since we don't have any more information about it so far, that's all you should know for now.
Besides even if the element of luck was removed then we need to wonder if the game is still considered a gambling game at all? If I am not mistaken chess or at least one of the variants of chaturanga called chaturaji was played with dice, making it a gambling game, but once you remove this element then it would become a game of skill.

So even if slots add an element of skill for the player, at the end the most important factor when it comes to winning is still their luck, as it is unlikely any casino will implement a slot machine with a bonus which will make them to lose any money.
Probably, this is just another strategy of the casinos so that players will be more tempted to play slots and would be somehow deceived that it’s not anymore a game of pure luck but certainly all about skills too. Beginners might believe on this and manage to play but lose more, but for long time gamblers they will never see slots that will increase your winning chances but still a game of pure luck that will only make you lose if you’re not lucky enough.

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April 08, 2023, 01:48:35 PM
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Probably, this is just another strategy of the casinos so that players will be more tempted to play slots and would be somehow deceived that it’s not anymore a game of pure luck but certainly all about skills too. Beginners might believe on this and manage to play but lose more, but for long time gamblers they will never see slots that will increase your winning chances but still a game of pure luck that will only make you lose if you’re not lucky enough.
That casino will lose the trust of their players, they cannot say that you can use your skill when all along its a luck based, and worse players will file a complaint for deceiving them, it's better for casinos not to promote their slot as a skill-based casino when it's not, if the casino is reputable and with a good features and stable they need not resort to deception, players are more comfortable playing in casinos they trust.


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April 08, 2023, 05:41:09 PM
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I read in an article that in Malta in land-based casinos have established a lot of slots in which the gambler is much more involved in the process of gambling than in our usual slots.  I, like many others have not yet experienced such slots, but I would love to try to play when I will have the opportunity.


Wish you could elaborate more on that though. Coz as it stands today I can't really think of any other way you can further involve the gambler that's playing slots in the game other than the pull the crank system that it currently operates in. You can argue that the use of "skills" (which I still think is a dirty move from these slots machine operators) is one way to exemplify but on the grand scale of things, these "skills" are nothing but bonuses painted in gold. They don't amp your winning chances, they don't provide the gambler with the ability to externally control the outcome of his game by giving him the agency on his wins, nada. So if you could explain to me how these slot machines in Malta do so, or at least link back with an article, that would be much appreciated!

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April 08, 2023, 06:26:10 PM
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Money management could be considered a kind of skill when playing slots, you don't want to run out before you have achieved a big win but its easy to do so.   Maybe my call of skill equates to superstition not sure but ideally you bet a larger amount when with a good chance of winning and only smaller amounts when just turning over the slot waiting for the bonus to trigger or similar payouts.  Mix the two up and you can run out of money just as it will pay, I used to know a barman who did this and waited till the player left and collected back the money they had paid in as he knew when it was ready to pay.

I think you do not quite understand how wide the choice of action appears in a gambler in addition to our usual choice of lines and bets.

Imagine the combat system of the role-playing computer game Fallout. When playing the traditional slots your fight is in automatic mode, but as I understand it, in these slots in the battle you get to choose which weapon and in what part to hit, when to use the cure, and when to defend. Naturally, when you get some experience in this game, you will know all the vulnerabilities of your opponents, so the probability of winning will increase.

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April 08, 2023, 07:58:20 PM
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Probably, this is just another strategy of the casinos so that players will be more tempted to play slots and would be somehow deceived that it’s not anymore a game of pure luck but certainly all about skills too. Beginners might believe on this and manage to play but lose more, but for long time gamblers they will never see slots that will increase your winning chances but still a game of pure luck that will only make you lose if you’re not lucky enough.

I think you're missing the point here. I don't believe that the aim of casinos or slot game developers is to mislead players, but rather to lure them with new, unique and captivating concepts. While it's true that slots are primarily based on luck, introducing new gameplay mechanics and features can make the experience more exciting for players. In fact, some players may even develop their own strategies or preferences when playing slots. It's important to remember that casinos are businesses, and their goal is to make a profit. If introducing new slot game features and mechanics can help attract more players and increase revenue, then it makes sense for them to do so.

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