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December 27, 2023, 04:40:04 PM
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On the first attempt accessing the website, it keeps loading on Cloudflare checking I'm stuck there until I disable the desktop mode now I can access the site.

The design looks fine to me it was a dark version before and now it's a light version but you can switch to dark mode if you want under the menu or top-right corner.

All buttons are functional and fast same goes for the Tor browser all of them are functional. The page size is 80kb according to some checkers and the performance of the sites is great.

About "LetterGuarantee.txt" it shows the date, deposit/your BTC address, service fee, PGP fingerprint/signature, and warnings. The format is just the same as other mixers out there.

The mixing process on basic anonymity is smooth after waiting for a few hours it takes hours for me to receive BTC but I think the issue is due to network(transaction fee) spikes recently. Other options are a bit expensive so I can't afford to test them.

The only downside of this it uses a cloud flare which we know records the IP address of their customers/visitors. So I'm not sure but since you said you don't keep logs how about the Cloud flare? So I think better bring your customers to Tor link instead to avoid this.

Another thing is there are some issues with the website related to accessibility you need to fix them look at this link below.

- https://pagespeed.web.dev/analysis/https-webmixer-io/20r3dwjxjt?form_factor=mobile

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December 29, 2023, 01:43:33 AM
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I had the opportunity to finally test Web Mixer and my experience was pleasant for the most part but improvement is possible in my opinion.

Found it kind of annoying that for sums over 1 Bitcoin I am being forced to pay maximum Commission, which is 4 to 5 percent of the sum PLUS 0.0007 Bitcoin.  By the way I think there is a typo and the page says Comission instead of Commission.

The text you first see on the page is pretty confusing for me.  Maybe I am too tired.  But what does 'You are not required to use any other cryptocurrencies' mean?  I would remove that text honestly.  I never even thought this Mixer had any thing to do with other Cryptocurrencies.

Another confusing thing.  What is the 'STOCK EXCHANGES' source really?  Is it Centralized Exchanges?

If you go to Max Anonymity you are required to paste two Bitcoin Addresses even if the FAQ says it is not a requirement.  You can paste the same Address in both text fields but it is confusing.

This is a very small detail but I find it annoying that Basic Anonymity and Max Anonymity shows a completely different informative text above the text fields.
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Your BTC address to receive mixed coins
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Specify BTC addresses to receive coins

I would change it to as follows,
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Your BTC address to receive mixed coins
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Your BTC addresses to receive mixed coins

Or something like that.

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Both for your business and for clients it would be better in my opinion if the bigger Commission was for smaller Transactions and the other way around.  This way you make your clients choose to Mix more for less while you earn more on the long run.

Think about it.  I have to mix 5 Bitcoin.  This means I have to pay between 0.2007 and 0.2507 Bitcoin!  I would honestly rather choose to Basic Mix 1 Bitcoin five times and pay 0.05175 total Commission instead.  Even if the Outputs come from other clients instead of Stock Exchanges.  From me you would earn much less in consequence as I would prioritize not having to pay around 30 THOUSAND Dollars for every 10 Bitcoin I choose to Mix.  But maybe that is just me.

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I find it concerning that for Max Anonymity the page says
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We will forward you BTC in one or multiple transactions to addresses

I wonder how difficult it is to link non Mixed Coins to Outputs, even if the Output Addresses receive Bitcoin from 'Stock Exchanges'.

I will give a hypothetical case.

I send 25.00000000 Bitcoin plus Fees to the Mixing Address.  I give you only one Output Address and you send me the Coins in a single Transaction.  First of all the Commission would be INSANE.  It is between ONE whole Bitcoin and 1.25 Bitcoin PLUS 0.0007!

The Transaction time is between instant and six hours.

For a Blockchain Analysis is this not an easy job to de anonymize or link as a Mixer using a very basic analysis program or something?  Some body sent 25.00000000 Bitcoin and in the next six hours some body else receives an amount between 23.74930000 and 23.99930000 Bitcoin from a Centralized Exchange.  Since you are not required to paste multiple Output Addresses you can send the total sum in multiple Transactions, it still is in my opinion an event pretty easy to link.

I believe it would provide more Privacy if there was an option to include more Output Addresses and each Address receives random sums until the entire Mixed Balance is returned to the client.

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December 29, 2023, 06:47:37 PM
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Today the blockchain fees were not too high, and I had a chance to try [banned mixer], too. I want to say that I really liked the concept of the site. The previous mixer I used before Webmixer was [banned mixer], and I couldn't even successfully order a service on it from the first attempt. It had so many sliders and settings that not every browser could handle them correctly. In contrast, Webmixer has everything designed to be as simple as possible. There's only one input field, prominently displayed. You enter your address, press the 'start cleaning' button, and that's it—nothing else is needed. It's impossible to get confused.

I only tried the interface in Russian, and the constant mention of 'cleaning' there puzzled me. The site clearly wants to demonstrate that its target audience is people who have bitcoins labeled as 'dirty.' Therefore, ordering the cheapest option, where it states that coins will come from Webmixer clients, is scary. I immediately started thinking that the coins I receive will likely be 'dirty.' If this is a marketing tactic aimed at motivating site visitors to order a more expensive service, then okay. If it happened accidentally, I recommend the mixer to find another word instead of 'cleaning' (for example, 'mixing'). Otherwise, they are discouraging customers who are not willing to pay 4-5% for anonymization.

The mixing itself went smoothly, as expected. There were only two points to note. Firstly, the service does not support P2TR addresses (it says 'BTC address error'). Secondly, if you press the 'Back' button in the browser to return to the screen where the address to send the coins is indicated, the address will no longer be the one initially shown. This can lead to problems. For example:
- the client ordered the service,
- the client saw the address, downloaded the guarantee letter,
- then the client somehow switched to another page (for example, by mistake),
- then the client returned back to copy the address,
- copied it,
- sent bitcoins there,
- encountered some difficulty,
- and then found out that the guarantee letter was for a completely different address (because pressing the 'back' button changed the address).
I don't know what can be done about this. Perhaps it makes sense to somehow warn about it.

Otherwise, everything is fine. The mixer works, and it mixes the coins as claimed.
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December 30, 2023, 12:42:30 AM
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I've been waiting for the new version to do a quick review, so let's go!  Smiley



On the subject of aesthetics and the UI, I really like the fact that you've integrated a dark mode, it is always more than welcome.
Overall, I find the site beautiful, and very visually pleasing. I have nothing to say about that, everything is straight forward, intuitive. I think that having a simple navigation (especially compared to other more 'complex' mixers UI) is a safe bet, straight to the point. A lot of users prefer minimalist/simple interfaces.

At first, I tried to access Webmixer from Firefox with my usual VPN. But unfortunately I couldn't get past Cloudflare (I don't usually have this problem). I was stuck with CF loading again and again, same issue after deleting cookies or refreshing tab.
By changing servers I was also able to access the site with my VPN. Cloudflare isn't ideal in terms of privacy, but if I understand correctly, it seems difficult to find an equivalent as effective, so I understand. The vast majority of other mixers also use CF and not for nothing, so I guess we can't complain too much against CF usage..
No problem when using Tor, I can access the site. The site is very responsive overall, even the .onion is reactive, it's pleasant to use.

For the record, I use Firefox 121.0 on Debian and Android with Firefox Focus 119.0. I use the latest version of Tor browser.

I had already done a test with the "Basic" mixing mode and I was satisfied. The fee is low, and I had nothing in particular to say about it.
It's true that with "Precise" mode (which I used for my recent test) and "Max anonymity" mode the fee is 4 to 5 times higher, but personally, I'm not the kind of user who really wants to keep his fees as low as possible. For me, privacy comes at a price, and I'm ok to pay 5% if the service is reliable and efficient.
So I won't criticise you for the price of the service, but I do think that you could maybe increase the minimum deposit for 'Max' mode:



I reckon that 0.003 BTC minus (4-5% + 0.0007 BTC) can lead to unhappy begginer/new users, so why not set the minimum at 0.01 like for the "Precise" mode?
It's like with my coinjoin wallet, I know that below about 0.01, the operation isn't really profitable in any way.

Otherwise, I've tried to find the origin of the coins I've received back from the mixer, and I haven't been able to. I'm not a specialist in blockchain analysis, but I've tried several tools and explorers, and nothing has allowed me to trace my funds.

I've used several services and bots to try and check the origin of the funds (I know we shouldn't put too much trust in these services, but knowing that the big groups use them, I always find it interesting to see the results), everything seems to be fine. At least, nothing unusual:



Talking about your FAQ:
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How many confirmations required? How to speed it up?

To start cleaning, your incoming transaction needs to have 1 confirmation by the network. Unfortunately we cannot speed up this process. Transactions with high fees and priority are usually confirmed in 5-20 minutes, and with very low ones - up to several days. You can wait for the transaction to be confirmed (it will not be removed from the mixer) or use a transaction accelerator (Google: "Transaction Accelerator").

I'm not sure it's wise to recommend this google search to novice users. When I do the search myself, the first result is ViaBTC so that's ok, but the others are all either scams or excessively expensive. The number of scams relating to transaction accelerators is huge. Maybe you could redirect your users directly to ViaBTC to avoid a potential scam? or tell them to "DYOR".

I like the fact that we can contact you on Jabber. SimpleX could be a good way to communicate with your users, maybe more popular?

Last suggestion: perhaps you could consider registering your service on kycnot.meSmiley

Next time, I will test your Telegram Bot (and give you a feedback on another platform)

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December 30, 2023, 01:43:52 PM
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I would like to share my experience with this mixer. I've already used it 2 or 3 times.


NEW WEBSITE
The previous version was very dark and gave the impression of something very dark, and a recondite location hidden on the internet. A very hardcore look. The new site is already different, in addition to having a light option, the dark version is less hardcore and has a fresher look and not so dark. I liked it, congratulations on the improvement.

In turn, the dark mode, much more beautiful than the light mode. The light mode is very simple and basic, with a white background and then the rest of the site's elements, nothing special. I believe they could try to work on the light mode a little more, to make it equally beautiful.

I liked seeing that in dark mode, they use a background image of a street at night, which looks really good. Maybe they could take that image and put it in light mode, the street during the day. Here's a suggestion.

Otherwise, my experience using the site itself was pleasant, in the clearnet version (the only one I used).
It should also be mentioned that throughout my visit to the site and the time I was on it, I was asked to validate on Cloudflare several times. I noticed that this happened because sometimes I spent some time without clicking anywhere on the website. But this type of website takes some time without moving around. Therefore, perhaps it would be good to try to reduce validation time.


MIXING
Regarding the mixing process, I found it simple and practical to use. Getting more intuitive with this new design.

In this experience in this new version, I used the "Max Anonymity" option, but it seems that it had similar behavior to "Precise Payment". This is because in the end I received a certain amount at the first address and the remaining amount at the second address. This is because in the end I received a certain amount at the first address and the remaining amount at the second address. I don't know if it was just pure coincidence, based on the value being mixed. But, I think it would make more sense for both addresses to receive values that are not so certain. Anyway, it's nothing serious, just something I noticed.

The entire mixing process went normally and as expected. There is just one detail that I didn't appreciate. When you go to the page where the deposit address is indicated, it appears in capslock letters and in white (in dark mode - the one used):


Since I'm used to seeing the address written in a mixture of capslock and lowercase letters, it seems that I have more difficulty in being able to validate that I am carrying out the transaction to the correct address. Maybe this is just a prayer on my part, but I think they should use a mix of capslock and lowercase letters to write this address. And in dark mode, they should use a color other than white, like red.

Other than that, I think everything went well, and it was a good experience. Continuation of a good work.

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Last edit: December 30, 2023, 04:01:50 PM by Buchi-88
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The mixers (weblinks) are unfortunately forbidden in the future but a small overview of the new design of Webmixer. And a short guide on how to use the mixer.



I like the new design in any case once good, there are then also two settings light or dark design, is a matter of taste.

To use it, simply select the desired anonymity and enter the Bitcoin receiving address. The different anonymity levels naturally have different fees.



If you send more than one Bitcoin, the highest anonymity level is automatically selected, send the Bitcoin to the specified address and don't forget to download the letter of guarantee and wait until the new Bitcoin arrives at the desired address.

Easy to use, perfect for privacy.


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