POLL- What to do with auction proceeds for ScamKey victims

[krogothmanhattan]

  OK fellas....Please cast your votes!

   Choice A

     Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
     Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.
     Any leftovers go to people who ordered cards and never received.
     Pay back peoples business loans given to SkamKey.
    
     Choice B

     Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
     Pay back BTC to go to people who ordered cards and never received.
     Pay back what the original purchase price of any card owner from the past
     Pay back Cygan his BTC given out to make people whole.

     CHOICE C

     USE THE FUNDS TO CRIMINALLY PROSECUTE YOGG

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[CARIBBEAN_TREASURES]

C, but maybe someone needs some funds too.

[krogothmanhattan]

C, but maybe someone needs some funds too.

   Please click on the button on the very top with your choice...thanks!

[YodasRedRocket]

I refuse to click on any of those options...  here's my vote instead because this is what B was supposed to look like....

Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and also anyone who sent BTC to SKamKey raffle .
Pay back BTC to go to people who ordered cards and never received.
Pay back what the original purchase price of any card owner from the past

*Only cards swept before warning, right after they received warning to peel or before a member got their hands on their cards to peel*  *If you kept bits on the cards after warning, it's allll on you!*

Anyone that qualifies for those gets a share & the pot gets divided by that many shares... something like that.

[CARIBBEAN_TREASURES]

C, but maybe someone needs some funds too.

   Please click on the button on the very top with your choice...thanks!

oops. didn't see it up there. Made my vote. It won't let me delete comment till tomorrow. Should only cost like $1500.00 to legally prosecute him though.

[krogothmanhattan]

C, but maybe someone needs some funds too.

   Please click on the button on the very top with your choice...thanks!

oops. didn't see it up there. Made my vote. It won't let me delete comment till tomorrow. Should only cost like $1500.00 to legally prosecute him though.

  No idea what the cost of a lawyer is in France. Perhaps a French guy on the forum can enlighten us

[DaveF]

You should edit "Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC" and change it to "Pay back swept people who refused Cygan's BTC and want to get some form of refund."

I got burned, I knew the risks, not of this specifically, but of buying anything with a private key that was not generated by me.

With that being said, option B works for me.
No point in C since as I said someplace else, there is no point in suing poor people. How much can you really going to get from a dug addicted gambler?

-Dave

[YodasRedRocket]

Fuck it... I'll just vote B & move on from this shit. 

Also, whoever beats the shit out of that dickmouth Yogg, please post anonymous video for all to enjoy

[AT101ET]

Never bought any of Yogg’s products but have been watching things unfold. Very disappointing to learn of his actions. As for the vote, perhaps it’s best to leave inputs solely up to those who have been affected?

[ChiBitCTy]

No point in C since as I said someplace else, there is no point in suing poor people. How much can you really going to get from a dug addicted gambler?

-DAve

I do not want to start a discussion here, so please do not take this post as opportunity to discuss "punishment", however, my understanding on option C is rather a criminal proceeding (resulting in imprisonment what in my jurisdiction is a penalty for theft) than a tort litigation. from yogg, we will never see a single satoshi again.

and now, back to the poll

I like the idea of option C, but you're right, going after him in order to hold him accountable for the funds he stole in trying to sue him, isn't going to go anywhere.  I've had renters take off without paying the final months rent and stuff like that..and spoken with lawyers about how to go after them , and they've all simply told me it would unfortunately be a waste of time and money since I knew they likely didn't have any.

What’s the old saying, you can’t squeeze wine from a stone, or something like that.

I do think going after him legally, as in being arrested/spending time in jail, and potentially being prosecuted by whatever governing body who would do such a thing where he lives in France would be a good thing.  You wouldn't have to spend any money of course for this option too. Trying to get governments to act of course is the potential hold up here (we all know how true this can be with the Titan mess going on).

I suppose I'm going with options B as well.  

[phishead]

I like the idea of option C, but you're right, going after him in order to hold him accountable for the funds he stole in trying to sue him, isn't going to go anywhere.  I've had renters take off without paying the final months rent and stuff like that..and spoken with lawyers about how to go after them , and they've all simply told me it would unfortunately be a waste of money since I knew they likely didn't have any. 

I do think going after him legally, as in being arrested/spending time in jail, and potentially being prosecuted by whatever governing body who would do such a thing where he lives in France would be a good thing.  You wouldn't have to spend any money of course for this option too. Trying to get governments to act of course is the potential hold up here (we all know how true this can be with the Titan mess going on).

I suppose I'm going with options B as well.   

Yeah, I mean idk who would want to take on the responsibility of keeping track of a lawyer and a (probably) never ending legal battle...  I honestly have no say in this matter, as I've only lost premiums on a few cards I had, and had the ability to sweep the ones that were loaded before he got to them.

[bitbollo]

ok option C can be an option suitable, but before proceeding I would carefully evaluate the costs and timing for such an action.
I speak from personal experience, but anyone dealing with a lawyer can confirm, the fees are very high literally for "everything" and if in the end it turns out "nothing, lieutenant" there is the risk that they will give him "a roll on the ears" and nothing more...
in the meantime a lot of time and money has been wasted....

[YodasRedRocket]

ok option C can be an option suitable, but before proceeding I would carefully evaluate the costs and timing for such an action.
I speak from personal experience, but anyone dealing with a lawyer can confirm, the fees are very high literally for "everything" and if in the end it turns out "nothing, lieutenant" there is the risk that they will give him "a roll on the ears" and nothing more...
in the meantime a lot of time and money has been wasted....

Agreed, this option doesn't plausibly give anyone satisfaction.  The charity auctions were for the victims.  This option gets thrown in last second before poll was created to skew the voting.

Were the auctions entitled : "Charity auctions for the pointless prosecution in a foreign country of a scammer with bitcoins to be possibly exchanged for fiat to unknown lawyer who will like just scam us too"?

No they fuckin weren't!

Ok, I'm done again.

[cygan]

i have to agree with Yoda. the linked post from krogoth only talks about option a & b
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5444106.msg62010051#msg62010051

and as bitbollo already wrote, the whole thing is still not safe if you would call a lawyer (the costs would shoot up for sure)
so we would certainly make some victims happier through the charity auction in any case

just my 2 sats

[OgNasty]

I’m a little surprised that so many people want to see revenge instead of a payout. As was mentioned earlier though, voting should probably be done by the effected users only. Of course internet trolls will vote for anything that is negative like spending money on lawyers to go after someone who, let’s face it, probably doesn’t have a dollar to his name if he went through these lengths to destroy his reputation. Still, I don’t think people like myself that weren’t involved should be selecting the outcome for effected users.

[Cueneyt1986]

I think the best way is to sue yogg via the legal way!
This guy has to learn his lessons.

[sweeteye]

I’m a little surprised that so many people want to see revenge instead of a payout.

Seems more about accountability than revenge

As was mentioned earlier though, voting should probably be done by the effected users only. Still, I don’t think people like myself that weren’t involved should be selecting the outcome for effected users.

Agree with this and also YodasRR concerns

[Cueneyt1986]

We should sue him!

[Cryptogreatdane]

   I choose C. After reading everyone's thoughts I think Hiring a lawyer in France could serve 2 purposes. The first is civil litigation to hopefully get a judgement against him. He can take the next 10 years to pay it back. I don't care how long it takes as long as we get the judgement. Second, it may help with criminal prosecution to have someone on the ground in France.
  This option is important to hopefully deter people from doing this in the future. If people know were fighters and not going to lay down and take it. They may think twice before scamming the collectables page.

[owlcatz]

  I choose C. After reading everyone's thoughts I think Hiring a lawyer in France could serve 2 purposes. The first is civil litigation to hopefully get a judgement against him. He can take the next 10 years to pay it back. I don't care how long it takes as long as we get the judgement. Second, it may help with criminal prosecution to have someone on the ground in France.
  This option is important to hopefully deter people from doing this in the future. If people know were fighters and not going to lay down and take it. They may think twice before scamming the collectables page.

Just find or pay someone who can speak fluent french to call the local police in Rouen FR. I have his address, his last phone number and I know he's broke as hell... So yeah suing him is pointless.

Jail sounds better. he's a real pussy anyhow, he couldn't even stand 1 hour where I live in the USA FFS, he has it so nice in Rouen...

Edit - I have tried to do this, but nobody wants to be involved whom I know that speaks Francais....

[cygan]

what is the use of the sentence if he would have 10 years time to pay back the victims, as Cryptogreatdane mentioned, if he takes his life in this time (which is not to be excluded with his personality/illness/addiction) - then nobody would have anything of it

and not to offend Cryptogreatdane - he has chosen option c, because he is most likely not affected by the ck-scam and therefore has not lost any money - please correct me, if this is not so
what i want to say is that most victims would rather choose the first two options and option c is more likely to be chosen by users who only think about the punishment/justice of Patrick and therefore don't have to record a loss...

[krogothmanhattan]

Hello all….. Thanks for all the feedback.

  I have to agree 100% with CryptoDane.....It looks like Dogg has not learned his lesson and has the audacity to call in advance and steal even more BTC from us....and all because nothing was done to him from the start!

   There is a saying, if you cannot do the time do not commit the crime and he deserves to get his ass thrown in prison for the pain and suffering he has caused us all...otherwise what example will this be for future scammers, you can scam and get away with it?

   A prison sentence will be a very rude awakening for anyone, tough or not. The first offense committed we were told it was a one time weakness and he Happened to find some keys...this time around it is plain and with a fuck you attitude to us all. Are we all pussies or what??

   Anyhow, I am not the authority here....I stepped up to do this poll when nobody else did....so that being said, if anyone here feels that this is not right in the way I conducted this poll...please speak up and I will lock and archive this poll and let better people than myself take over and run a new Poll.

   I am a victim here just as much as anyone else if not more than most....so do what you guys wanna do....

   I will go back to running  my free raffle and my collectables and enjoy the joy those bring me. Peace out all....and Godspeed!

[vizique]

Any local newspapers down that way?
Media that can be informed?

Viz

[polymerbit]

We should set up a private group in discord, with only invited members of all those affected.

We've been looking into exactly which laws Yogg has broken. There are a few which can be pretty hefty.

Now it's about getting the police involved.

[bitbollo]

We should set up a private group in discord, with only invited members of all those affected.

We've been looking into exactly which laws Yogg has broken. There are a few which can be pretty hefty.

Now it's about getting the police involved.

Ok inform the police (hopefully they understand something about the btc topic).
But is there a legal contract or agreement in which coldkey/yogg "guaranteed" the nature of the keys or would not swipe them?
How many are the real probabilities that he can repay this theft (if it can be demonstrated in a court from a legal point of view...)? How long does it take? How much would be a lawyer's fee / various degrees of judgment cost... in the end what would you get?
if he doesn't have a criminal record, he certainly won't go in jail...
It is much easier for him to be prosecuted for unpaid loans than for such a scam

[owlcatz]

Any local newspapers down that way?
Media that can be informed?

Viz

https://www.mondotimes.com/1/world/fr/80/9517/26591

[ChiBitCTy]

  I choose C. After reading everyone's thoughts I think Hiring a lawyer in France could serve 2 purposes. The first is civil litigation to hopefully get a judgement against him. He can take the next 10 years to pay it back. I don't care how long it takes as long as we get the judgement. Second, it may help with criminal prosecution to have someone on the ground in France.
  This option is important to hopefully deter people from doing this in the future. If people know were fighters and not going to lay down and take it. They may think twice before scamming the collectables page.

If this would work, then why aren't we doing this with Tim Fillmore and Titan Mint who stole A LOT more than Yogg has.

Lawyers don’t tell you it’s a waste of time to go after someone poor for no reason. Not to mention even if he was ordered to pay it back over a period of time..I’m not sure that means anything either for a number of reasons.

It would be nice if a lawyer around here could step in and give their two Satoshis…

[Hookzup1]

   I choose C. After reading everyone's thoughts I think Hiring a lawyer in France could serve 2 purposes. The first is civil litigation to hopefully get a judgement against him. He can take the next 10 years to pay it back. I don't care how long it takes as long as we get the judgement. Second, it may help with criminal prosecution to have someone on the ground in France.
  This option is important to hopefully deter people from doing this in the future. If people know were fighters and not going to lay down and take it. They may think twice before scamming the collectables page.

I wish I had merit to give you

[polymerbit]

France does not work like the US where you can claim hefty damages.

Our motivation is focused on getting the police involved.

[owlcatz]

Just a heads up but he peeled all the copper having sets, and I've just received word that he's currently sweeping history series cards right now...  

Edit please repost to any relevant threads as I am afk ATM... Sorry!

[YodasRedRocket]

Just a heads up but he peeled all the copper having sets, and I've just received word that he's currently sweeping history series cards right now...  

Edit please repost to any relevant threads as I am afk ATM... Sorry!

Dude has no shame.  How anyone could leave their cards loaded is beyond my comprehension 🙄

[MoparMiningLLC]

 who did he call this time?

looking at one persons set that said theirs was swept, it looks like a lot were swept. It looks like he swept some one by one to quite a few seqwit addresses then merged them, then sent them elsewhere as well - peel the fucking cards people

https://mempool.space/address/bc1qcjsffqpgwvmhfzqp97v2qmccrtf0203x78g402

[raghavsood]

Been away for a few months, not what I wanted to come back to

I can confirm that 6 of my ColdKeys have been swept over the last 4-6 hours

Transaction IDs:

Code:

ebed19e029a4d01d882989127706fe6f2daa051ec92e388c3ba93dd037d0620d
4eec21ca86d18eced4aadc07b6c9ad3471e8afa0a2bf01939cf8509fead88d5b
cacb518e45fe7a1fe6d1b0fd1ec008fbec4cc264ed3339be548eb09da2df86dd
d7c6b27d47f7e9e4f8f44aef470a65c3b00766b8ccb0cd2f37f67e6516096d2a
830464a57e610c411f8d7b270b036e75a146a75d404a441feef0ff10ff1de0a0
02e00d11e405a1e8fbc3b753840ea516a037d8e5656cee03742f5b6b5bec8796

The cards are:

Code:

bc1qckll20md0z9hqtx2zxaa6m4xcgu6968tezsvx7 | History 20.11.10
bc1qckl220msz90yeucmlnmd8ugpheuh6xq3eskqzu | History 20.12.10
bc1qckl020tfxlrj667uamcjak6ysykxdu9r4lm7kx | History 20.10.10
bc1qck0920evjegpsqnv674zvtmj7l8v76d8kxkyyz | History 20.9.10
bc1qck0820nfavjx3gxjnk4rpj69fg0rk8jta3vvu3 | History 20.8.10
bc1qck0720z6uqcltajgy2cu9v6sjleyg3fn3x7rzw | History 20.7.10

[bestcoin_59]

I would go for option B. Indeed, a lawyer in France is expensive and even with the best lawyer it won't surprise me that the court have difficulties understanding the whole story. And even if it does might say something like: "no enough evidence".

That being said, i have to go to Normandy shortly and Rouen is on my way...Might want visit him and have a talk...

[owlcatz]

who did he call this time?

looking at one persons set that said theirs was swept, it looks like a lot were swept. It looks like he swept some one by one to quite a few seqwit addresses then merged them, then sent them elsewhere as well - peel the fucking cards people

https://mempool.space/address/bc1qcjsffqpgwvmhfzqp97v2qmccrtf0203x78g402

Nobody - Another user noticed some of his cards had been swept just yesterday as we were talking on the phone. I'm not going to say who it was, out of respect for their night of having to peel 50+ cards...

Edit - I don't know how much he lost either, but quite a bit... Only because ... Timezones

[krogothmanhattan]

Just a heads up but he peeled all the copper having sets, and I've just received word that he's currently sweeping history series cards right now...  

Edit please repost to any relevant threads as I am afk ATM... Sorry!

     Yogg...the piece of shit that keeps on stealing and stealing. Its no surprise at all what do you expect from him?

     And for everyone else....for the love of God....peel and sweep before your precious BTC ends in the hands of this criminal!

     What the heck are you waiting for?

[Cryptogreatdane]

what is the use of the sentence if he would have 10 years time to pay back the victims, as Cryptogreatdane mentioned, if he takes his life in this time (which is not to be excluded with his personality/illness/addiction) - then nobody would have anything of it

and not to offend Cryptogreatdane - he has chosen option c, because he is most likely not affected by the ck-scam and therefore has not lost any money - please correct me, if this is not so
what i want to say is that most victims would rather choose the first two options and option c is more likely to be chosen by users who only think about the punishment/justice of Patrick and therefore don't have to record a loss...

  Hi
  I only responded because i was affected on April 3rd with playtoshi. Of course i only lost $28 and have no interest in compensation. However i do believe i have a say now. If i had lost thousands i would feel differently and probably want option B. I think that maybe hiring a lawyer is wrong approach now. We need criminal prosecution first before any judgment could be reached. Its to complicated of a subject and we need direct linkage between him and the wallets that received funds.
  I think there could be a balance between option B and C. How about paying back affected people starting with most highest losses. Reserve 15% of the money to hire an agent or private investigator in france who can present case and evidence to the local police department. Shouldnt be too expensive. Maybe a couple days to organize paperwork and one drive to police station.

[Verndog]

I think we are getting way off base. This auction was  to refund those affected by this scamming douchebag. That was the intent and that’s what should be done. I am all for starting a new auction with the intent of the proceeds to seek prosecution, or whatever means best suited to make him be held responsible. At this point though, this is getting ridiculous. People bid with the understanding that the proceeds would go to the victims.

[owlcatz]

I think we are getting way off base. This auction was  to refund those affected by this scamming douchebag. That was the intent and that’s what should be done. I am all for starting a new auction with the intent of the proceeds to seek prosecution, or whatever means best suited to make him be held responsible. At this point though, this is getting ridiculous. People bid with the understanding that the proceeds would go to the victims.

I agree. but as the victim list keeps expanding daily, how do we best go about this?

I lost 2 x halving sets. Did I take compensation from Cygan? No.

So...

Yes, we are not going to get him in jail. He's handicapped by french standards...

BTC - Pay cygan back, he should stop refunding, it's just going to be way too much right now that the hist keys have been swept the past week...

Next, pay back anyone who didn't seek compensation, then TRY and refund ppl who can prove they peeled I guess, but I don't think it will ever be enough - Dreams of getting paid for premiums lost will never happen ofc, it' not even close to the amount destroyed.

This "Payback" shit out of cygans pocket cannot go on - Now that the history series have been swept, just think about all the people who bougth them off twitter and have no access or knowledge of this forum. That's why fuckface got so much btc IMO.

Anyhow, I digress... I'm sick of this terrible Tv show, just kill it with 🔥 somehow. He will run out of keys and then be homeless I'm sure... He gambles all this btc away, I think he's on that anti-depressant that turns people into major gambling addicts TBH... I know of no other reason why he is doing this...

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/mar/26/patients-given-aripiprazole-should-be-told-gambling-addiction-risks-expert

[Cryptogreatdane]

I think we are getting way off base. This auction was  to refund those affected by this scamming douchebag. That was the intent and that’s what should be done. I am all for starting a new auction with the intent of the proceeds to seek prosecution, or whatever means best suited to make him be held responsible. At this point though, this is getting ridiculous. People bid with the understanding that the proceeds would go to the victims.

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[krogothmanhattan]

I think we are getting way off base. This auction was  to refund those affected by this scamming douchebag. That was the intent and that’s what should be done. I am all for starting a new auction with the intent of the proceeds to seek prosecution, or whatever means best suited to make him be held responsible. At this point though, this is getting ridiculous. People bid with the understanding that the proceeds would go to the victims.

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   The people have spoken....closing this down...Please someone step up and make a new poll better than mine. Goodluck to ye all...cheers