⚽ Conmebol Libertadores 2023 - Prediction and Discussion Thread

[darxiaomi]

Ey guys, just seeing this!.

I have a thread for Argentina Superleague, and im argentinian and i obviusly follow the internationals cups of Conmebol.

I think you are Brazilians no?.

Im not linking so much this first phase on this year because as far as i see the groups are very bad balanced.

Boca group for example its a real joke. But other "easy" groups are being more harsh than i think, but i also think in second round teams like Flamengo are going to put full gas and go to round of 16 easily.

[rdluffy]

Ey guys, just seeing this!.

I have a thread for Argentina Superleague, and im argentinian and i obviusly follow the internationals cups of Conmebol.

I think you are Brazilians no?.

Im not linking so much this first phase on this year because as far as i see the groups are very bad balanced.

Boca group for example its a real joke. But other "easy" groups are being more harsh than i think, but i also think in second round teams like Flamengo are going to put full gas and go to round of 16 easily.

Nice, post the link of your thread here please
We brazilians and argentinians share the same passion for Libertadores right? Hahaha

The first stage is being tough for my team Corinthians 
Sometimes we think a group is weak but the strongest team not always finish in 1st or 2nd to classify

But after that, on round of 16 the matches are always hard, even more if there's any Argentina vs Brazil teams
Do you think Boca is the most favorite team from Argentina?

In my opinion, from Brazil I can say Flamengo is not the best one right now, even with the new coach (Argentinian) Sampaoli, Flamengo is doing very bad lately, it's not the same team of last year.
Keep an eye in Fluminense and Palmeiras, they are playing in higher level, after that we have Atletico MG, Athletico PR and Inter, and only after that, playing bad is Corinthians and Flamengo.
If you need any advice to bet, just ask

And you can post here for us about the argentinians teams, to help us in our bets, because I don't have a huge amount of knowledge of this season of argentinians 

[l3pox]

Ey guys, just seeing this!.

I have a thread for Argentina Superleague, and im argentinian and i obviusly follow the internationals cups of Conmebol.

I think you are Brazilians no?.

Im not linking so much this first phase on this year because as far as i see the groups are very bad balanced.

Boca group for example its a real joke. But other "easy" groups are being more harsh than i think, but i also think in second round teams like Flamengo are going to put full gas and go to round of 16 easily.

many in this thread are brazilians, yes
some people are quite active in the portuguese speaking boards, come say hi if you speak some portuguese

I'd say the same as rdluffy
tell us more about the Argentinian teams if you can, I haven't heard a lot about them

[darxiaomi]

Ey guys! i totally missed the thread, i was busy and i forget to respond. Sorry for that.

Well, about your questions, yes Boca claims they are the most popular team they said they are "the half plus one", and in someways maybe its true, but i think the reality its more like, 40% Boca Juniors, 40% River Plate (or even 45 for both), and the rest for the remaining teams.

The main problem its in Argentinian Boca y River and a few more"big" teams like Independiente Racing and San Lorenzo have the mayority of fans because asides they are from Buenos Aires the whole country are of this teams, the only city where they arent mayority its in Rosario, where Newells and Rosario Central have the 45% of the city both of them and the remaining 10% are from Boca river and the others.


About argentinian performance in teams we are very weak this last years, we cant compete so much against the economic power you are having, Argentina economy its not in a good path in exchange rate terms so its impossible to make well balanced teams.

The only one who maintain the level was River of Gallardo, Boca its a shame what are they doing in the last years in international cups, and they are playing worst and worst every year.

[l3pox]

wow
interesting to know that
thanks for the information @darxiaomi
makes me think of what are the most famous Brazilian teams

maybe Palmeiras and Sao Paulo?
not sure

[rdluffy]

The main problem its in Argentinian Boca y River and a few more"big" teams like Independiente Racing and San Lorenzo have the mayority of fans because asides they are from Buenos Aires the whole country are of this teams, the only city where they arent mayority its in Rosario, where Newells and Rosario Central have the 45% of the city both of them and the remaining 10% are from Boca river and the others.

Thanks for explaining that

About argentinian performance in teams we are very weak this last years, we cant compete so much against the economic power you are having, Argentina economy its not in a good path in exchange rate terms so its impossible to make well balanced teams.

The only one who maintain the level was River of Gallardo, Boca its a shame what are they doing in the last years in international cups, and they are playing worst and worst every year.

Very interesting what you commented, and it makes perfect sense
The situation in Brazil is not the best, the currency that is the real is very devalued in relation to the dollar and euro, 1 dollar for example is worth 5 reais
This makes most players want to leave the country and earn in another currency
Now the situation in Argentina is even worse, and this makes almost all young players leave very quickly. Not to mention that it is difficult to bring players from other countries as well
All this crisis reflects on the teams and directly on the classification of the championships, such as the Libertadores
In the last 5 years the Brazilian teams have dominated the championship

makes me think of what are the most famous Brazilian teams
maybe Palmeiras and Sao Paulo?
not sure

It's a good question for him, to see the point of view of an Argentinian.
But I think Flamengo, Santos and Corinthians are the most famous abroad, let's see his opinion.


The next round of Libertadores is almost coming guys, May 23, 24 and 25.

[l3pox]

this question of most famous teams abroad probably varies e lot from country to country too
most famous brazilian teams in europe are probably different than the most famous brazilian teams in Argentina

that's a cool thing to think about

[rdluffy]

this question of most famous teams abroad probably varies e lot from country to country too
most famous brazilian teams in europe are probably different than the most famous brazilian teams in Argentina

that's a cool thing to think about

I cited the 3 teams for the following reasons:

Santos obviously had Pelé, so everyone remembers both
Flamengo is the biggest fan base in Brazil with about 40 million fans, so it is normal that it is known worldwide, and has had great players like Zico
Corinthians I cited because it was the last world champion in 2012 and has already been two-time champion of the FIFA world cup


Today is the beginning of 4th round:


I'll probably lose some money betting on Corinthians again hahaha, but I still have some hope  

Seriously now, I think there's a good bet, Independiente del Valle against Liverpool, this last one didn't win any match and only have 1 point, 1.91 worth the risk to bet on a victory of Ind. del Valle

[darxiaomi]

Sorry guys, i miss the thread i was busy.

wow
interesting to know that
thanks for the information @darxiaomi
makes me think of what are the most famous Brazilian teams

maybe Palmeiras and Sao Paulo?
not sure

Well i know Corinthians its the most followed one in term of number of fans, but for us a lot of teams from Brazil are the "biggers".

Flamengo, Fluminense, Cruzeiro, Sao Paulo, Corinthians, Palmeiras, Inter, Gremio. Santos (few fans but a big team in term of trophies and football). Also Vasco da gama and i dont know if im missed anyone.


About betting in this round.... im not betting at all because in group fase theteams develop its strange, im gonna bet when the matches are gonna be more decissive like in 5 and 6 round.

[Slow death]

well, yesterday we had games, and once again flamengo slipped and had another draw, there are already 2 consecutive draws and that way they risk ending up in third place which would not allow flamengo to go to another phase, in the next game they will have to face the leader of the group who are at a great distance in terms of points and confident that they have already passed to another phase in case of a victory or draw in the game against Flamengo. racing are not doing well in the argentinian league and they are so bad they will have to make an effort in this game to win and guarantee an early passage to another phase and then focus on the argentinian league

Flamengo needs to be careful because another slip in this game is the end for Flamengo because Nublense will play against the weakest team in the group which means that Nublense can win which would give them 7 points in the table, if Flamengo does not win in the next game so they didn't pass to another phase and now that Flamengo is recovering in the Brazilian league it would be very good if they managed to pass to another phase. Fluminense is losing, and another surprise because in case of their victory in this game, it would allow them to already guarantee passage to another phase, even a draw also guarantees passage to another phase, there are still 45 minutes left for the game to end, there is still time for the fluminense draw

[l3pox]

good to remember that Santos was the first home for many bigger players that ended up in the official Brazilian team, like Robinho and some others that I'm probably forgetting about

Sorry guys, i miss the thread i was busy.

wow
interesting to know that
thanks for the information @darxiaomi
makes me think of what are the most famous Brazilian teams

maybe Palmeiras and Sao Paulo?
not sure

Well i know Corinthians its the most followed one in term of number of fans, but for us a lot of teams from Brazil are the "biggers".

Flamengo, Fluminense, Cruzeiro, Sao Paulo, Corinthians, Palmeiras, Inter, Gremio. Santos (few fans but a big team in term of trophies and football). Also Vasco da gama and i dont know if im missed anyone.


About betting in this round.... im not betting at all because in group fase theteams develop its strange, im gonna bet when the matches are gonna be more decissive like in 5 and 6 round.

cool to hear that
thanks for sharing

no problem about the time
I also forgot this thread and got back now

[rdluffy]

About betting in this round.... im not betting at all because in group fase theteams develop its strange, im gonna bet when the matches are gonna be more decissive like in 5 and 6 round.

I think you did the right thing, I am doing badly in this first phase of the Libertadores, it is very difficult for me to get any bets right. 

well, yesterday we had games, and once again flamengo slipped and had another draw, there are already 2 consecutive draws and that way they risk ending up in third place which would not allow flamengo to go to another phase, in the next game they will have to face the leader of the group who are at a great distance in terms of points and confident that they have already passed to another phase in case of a victory or draw in the game against Flamengo. racing are not doing well in the argentinian league and they are so bad they will have to make an effort in this game to win and guarantee an early passage to another phase and then focus on the argentinian league

Flamengo needs to be careful because another slip in this game is the end for Flamengo because Nublense will play against the weakest team in the group which means that Nublense can win which would give them 7 points in the table, if Flamengo does not win in the next game so they didn't pass to another phase and now that Flamengo is recovering in the Brazilian league it would be very good if they managed to pass to another phase. Fluminense is losing, and another surprise because in case of their victory in this game, it would allow them to already guarantee passage to another phase, even a draw also guarantees passage to another phase, there are still 45 minutes left for the game to end, there is still time for the fluminense draw

At least Fluminense is still in first place in the group, and even if they lost this last game, the team has been playing very well and has full conditions to advance in the next phase and with chances to go further.

Now the teams of Flamengo and Corinthians are terrible in the Libertadores.
Speaking about Flamengo, it is incredible the team's decline compared to last year. Everyone believed that Flamengo was going to be the favorite in the Libertadores and in the Brazilian Championship, but besides not being the favorite anymore, they are still in a terrible phase in which nothing works out. And the proof that a coach makes a lot of difference, because the base of the team is the same as last year, but the coach is VERY much needed.

Corinthians is making me lose my bets, but I'm glad I'm already aware of this, and I've only made small bets on the team

good to remember that Santos was the first home for many bigger players that ended up in the official Brazilian team, like Robinho and some others that I'm probably forgetting about

The most famous are Pelé, Neymar and Robinho.
But there's a lot of excellent players, like Paulo Henrique Ganso (Fluminense), Gabigol (Flamengo), Rodrygo (Real Madrid)...

[darxiaomi]

I forgot to comment, what a mess made by Independiente de Valle, they lose against the most weak in the group, and put a lot more of spicy on that group.

The most big blow of this round was the draw of River because now they need to win against Fluminense in the next game.

And yes Boca losing its a disaster but this Boca its really weak, and they still have 1000% chances because the group its really weak.

[rdluffy]

I forgot to comment, what a mess made by Independiente de Valle, they lose against the most weak in the group, and put a lot more of spicy on that group.

The most big blow of this round was the draw of River because now they need to win against Fluminense in the next game.

And yes Boca losing its a disaster but this Boca its really weak, and they still have 1000% chances because the group its really weak.

And the one who benefited from this defeat of Independiente del Valle was my team, Corinthians, which even though it has played badly all these matches so far, still has a chance to qualify
Corinthians only depends on itself for classification
The ideal is to win the two remaining matches

Look at the group, everyone has a chance to qualify



River vs Fluminense will be a great match, I'm sure.
Fluminense's team is very good, but they will play in Argentina and with River needing a win. In matches like this I don't risk betting because it is very unpredictable.

I think I will risk again a bet on Corinthians next week, on June 7th against Independiente del Valle, it will be a match at the same level I wrote about above against Fluminense, unpredictable, but it is my team
If they win, I believe that then in the last match against Liverpool, playing at home, should not be so difficult to win and ensure classification

[darxiaomi]

Yes, but this River its not the same as the Gallardo River, and River its having really difficult time with his goalkeeper, Armani its making a completly mess in last games, conceding goals by his fault.

So River its gonna play with a ton of pressure in his shoulders, not easy.

[l3pox]

good to remember that Santos was the first home for many bigger players that ended up in the official Brazilian team, like Robinho and some others that I'm probably forgetting about

The most famous are Pelé, Neymar and Robinho.
But there's a lot of excellent players, like Paulo Henrique Ganso (Fluminense), Gabigol (Flamengo), Rodrygo (Real Madrid)...

yes, that, there are even more quite famous ones like
Kaká, Ronaldo and Ronaldinho Gaúcho (probably almost as famous as Pelé abroad), Zico and Romário.

Lots of good players born in Brazil.

[rdluffy]

Yes, but this River its not the same as the Gallardo River, and River its having really difficult time with his goalkeeper, Armani its making a completly mess in last games, conceding goals by his fault.

So River its gonna play with a ton of pressure in his shoulders, not easy.

And after all River won against Fluminense 


I am also sad to say that Corinthians was defeated yesterday, and eliminated from the Libertadores.
I also lost a few dollars betting on Corinthians thinking that the worst was over, and the last thing to Corinthians is trying to draw or win against Liverpool to play at Sudamericana Cup

Only 1 round left in the Libertadores group stage, soon the competition will get pretty exciting, and I'll just be able to watch the other teams and try to make some money from betting hahaha.

This is how the table looks like:

[Slow death]

Metropolitanos - Independiente Medellín

Metropolitanos has nothing more to fight for, they didn't even get at least one victory in this competition, there were 4 games and 4 defeats, coming to this game unmotivated, without anything to fight for, with 4 consecutive defeats, I don't see Metropolitanos being a threat to Independiente who come to this game motivated because they already have 2 consecutive victories and 7 points, so a victory in this game and expecting a defeat or a tie between the first and second places would put them in second place and everything would be resolved in the last game, that is, this is a very important game for Independiente, that's why I bet on Independiente to win that game

Flamengo - Racing

well, Flamengo is going from bad to worse, in the last game they got only one point even playing against a team that was very accessible, Flamengo's luck is that Racing has 10 points so they probably won't take this game too seriously once that there is no team in this group that could overcome them in terms of points, just for Racing to draw in this game that would already be safe, so I predict that this is the type of game that will end in a draw

Olimpia - Atlético Nacional

Olimpia did very well in this tournament, with 2 wins and 2 draws, and are in second place with 8 points, while their opponent Atlético Nacional, which also did very well in this competition and is in first place, comes into this game with the concern of sparing players due to the local league game, so I see Olimpia winning this game

[alegotardo]

If Internacional is "lukewarm" in the Brazilian championship, the same we cannot be said for Libertadores.... they just need one more victory to qualify for the next stage.
It's maintainable that after an excellent match by Internacional, Nacional from Uruguay managed to draw at the very end of the game now Internacional needs to beat the Colombian team to advance to the next phase.

I think it's possible to move forward, because the international is still the only Brazilian team that is undefeated in this championship, which motivates me even more.
If this cup has always belonged to the Brazilians, this time it is time for Internacional to take it home

[rdluffy]

Metropolitanos - Independiente Medellín
I bet on Independiente to win that game

Flamengo - Racing
the type of game that will end in a draw

Olimpia - Atlético Nacional
I see Olimpia winning this game

2 right guesses and 1 wrong, not bad
Flamengo's match was much more difficult to predict, they started the season in the worst possible way, they lost 3 championships, lost their coach, started the national championship badly, and started the Libertadores badly too
But after the arrival of coach Sampaoli, little by little the team was returning to what it was before. It is still not 100%, but we have already noticed a good improvement. In the national championship it is in 5th place and in the Libertadores it is in 2nd place in the group and with total possibility of classification.
That is why I think it is so difficult to predict something


The next round of the Libertadores will be on June 27, 28 and 29, the last round before the round of 16.

Teams that no longer have a chance to go to the next round:

Aucas
Barcelona
Cerro Porteno
Corinthians
Liverpool
Alianza Lima
Melgar
Patronato

Metropolitanos is the only one already eliminated from Libertadores and with no chances to classify to Copa Sudamericana