⚽ Conmebol Libertadores 2023 - Prediction and Discussion Thread

[alegotardo]

Is anyone else here looking forward to the game between Flamengo and Aucas? The game is only on the June 28th, but the fans have practically sold out tickets to watch this game at Maracanã... I'll be passing through the region, so I've already secured my ticket too.

But, i'm fan's Internacional and at the same day there are two other very important games for me, as Internacional will face Independiente Medellín in Beira-Rio stadium and they NEED TO WIN, because if they draw and Nacional win against Metropolitanos (which is very likely) at this same day too, then Internacional will be disqualified despite being undefeated in the championship.

June 28th will be a day of great emotions!!!

[Lucasgabd]

Is anyone else here looking forward to the game between Flamengo and Aucas? The game is only on the June 28th, but the fans have practically sold out tickets to watch this game at Maracanã... I'll be passing through the region, so I've already secured my ticket too.

But, i'm fan's Internacional and at the same day there are two other very important games for me, as Internacional will face Independiente Medellín in Beira-Rio stadium and they NEED TO WIN, because if they draw and Nacional win against Metropolitanos (which is very likely) at this same day too, then Internacional will be disqualified despite being undefeated in the championship.

June 28th will be a day of great emotions!!!

enjoy the game!
for sure it'll be a cool one to watch

do you go often to watch the games irl?
must be a totally different experience than watching it online or in the television

[rdluffy]

Is anyone else here looking forward to the game between Flamengo and Aucas? The game is only on the June 28th, but the fans have practically sold out tickets to watch this game at Maracanã... I'll be passing through the region, so I've already secured my ticket too.

But, i'm fan's Internacional and at the same day there are two other very important games for me, as Internacional will face Independiente Medellín in Beira-Rio stadium and they NEED TO WIN, because if they draw and Nacional win against Metropolitanos (which is very likely) at this same day too, then Internacional will be disqualified despite being undefeated in the championship.

June 28th will be a day of great emotions!!!

Wow, please remember to post here your impressions about the match.
(A picture will be VERY nice hahaha, Maracanã full of crowd is always nice to see)

enjoy the game!
for sure it'll be a cool one to watch

do you go often to watch the games irl?
must be a totally different experience than watching it online or in the television

It's cool to feel the fans and the vibe of the match, it's different.
And it's strange to us, used to watch in TV, because TV have replays, close in and narrator haha, sometimes you feel something is missing, so usually people use radios to hear the narrator


Today is the last day of group phase, and Corinthians will play against Liverpool, a victory or a draw is enough to secure at least the Sul Americana spot. (it will be terrible if Corinthians lose this spot too).
It's paying 1.75 for Corinthians win, and even if I lost a lot of money already with my team, I believe they will win this last match, it's worth a bet

[Slow death]

Flamengo 4 - 0 Aucas

it was a game in which Flamengo dominated the entire game, had greater possession of the ball, did not allow the opponent to have space to score at least 1 goal, after 9 minutes Flamengo scored the first goal of the game, without doubt that the first Flamengo's goal was a very beautiful goal, Flamengo's second goal didn't give the aucas goalkeeper any chance to defend, and the third goal that Flamengo scored made me laugh, Aucas' defense had many openings which gave many opportunities to Flamengo, Flamengo's fourth goal showed the great fragility of Aucas' defense. with this victory, Flamengo is in the second position in the group.

Corinthians 3 - 0 Liverpool

despite the fact that corinthians achieved this very important victory, they were in position 3 in the group and have no more chances of being above position 3, which is a disappointment because in this group there were not very strong teams that it was not possible for corinthians to achieve at least except having managed to finish in second place, I consider Corinthians to be a disappointing campaign in this group

racing 4 - 0 nublense

it's funny that racingo had a good campaign in this group to the point of being at the top while they in the argentinian league are in position 15, even with a good team like flamengo in this group it didn't mean that racing was prevented from finishing in a good way congratulations to racing, it was the best team in this group, it was the team that had the most goals scored in this group and had a good defense with 6 goals conceded, congratulations to racing

[casperBGD]

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It's paying 1.75 for Corinthians win, and even if I lost a lot of money already with my team, I believe they will win this last match, it's worth a bet

congrats on this win, didn't expected it
Corinthians didn't play well this season, and odds were rising on their win from @1.55 on Sunday to @1.85 before the match, so there were not many people expecting them to win, not to mention win 3:0 what happened
but maybe is just due to team being played with, first match was also 0:3 for Corinthians, and those are only two wins for your time this season in Copa Libertadores

[darxiaomi]

Im late on comment here, because all the groups doesnt have so much drama in the end.

Yes really good odds thinking on Corinthians against Liverpool (u), the only thing because i dont put money on it was because Corinthians Santos and other teams from Brazil are making a really bad run in international cup(i dont understand why).

The team that doesnt stop surpirsing me its Independiente del Valle..... man that guys its something really strange, every year they make a epic tournament since the time when they reach the final of Libertadores in 2016. And their teams are not good in term of names, because in them play a lot of players from Argentina who came from the third division for example.

[alegotardo]

Im late on comment here, because all the groups doesnt have so much drama in the end.

Yes really good odds thinking on Corinthians against Liverpool (u), the only thing because i dont put money on it was because Corinthians Santos and other teams from Brazil are making a really bad run in international cup(i dont understand why).

The team that doesnt stop surpirsing me its Independiente del Valle..... man that guys its something really strange, every year they make a epic tournament since the time when they reach the final of Libertadores in 2016. And their teams are not good in term of names, because in them play a lot of players from Argentina who came from the third division for example.

I watched the best moments of this last Independiente del Valle game and it seems to me that both teams were very balanced at the beginning of the game.

But in fact, Independiente seem to have extra strength in this championship and Díaz's goal, in addition to being very beautiful (a strong and accurate grip on the ball that swelled the net with force) must have been the point that marked the right moment for Independiente improve their position on the field and come back stronger in the second half.

Although Independiente still conceded two goals (one of them at the very end of the second half), it seemed to me that they dominated the game better and deserved this victory.

Speaking of Internacional... he also beat Independiente Medellín by 3x1 and secured his classification (still undefeated)

[gagux123]

I didn't watch the game, but I saw the highlights/best moments of the Palmeiras x Bolivar game.

I was surprised with the result, I imagine that Palmeiras would win the game, but they scored 4 goals and won that game against Bolivar.

Another interesting game was Boca Juniors vs. Monagas.
Boca Juniors also won easily.

My question is... will these teams that had a significant victory will be able to maintain this excellent performance in the next games?

[rdluffy]

Corinthians 3 - 0 Liverpool
despite the fact that corinthians achieved this very important victory, they were in position 3 in the group and have no more chances of being above position 3, which is a disappointment because in this group there were not very strong teams that it was not possible for corinthians to achieve at least except having managed to finish in second place, I consider Corinthians to be a disappointing campaign in this group

Finally Corinthians did a good match on Libertadores, unfortunately is too late, but at least they secure the classification to Sul Americana Cup.
And I'm glad I did a small bet on Corinthians 

congrats on this win, didn't expected it
Corinthians didn't play well this season, and odds were rising on their win from @1.55 on Sunday to @1.85 before the match, so there were not many people expecting them to win, not to mention win 3:0 what happened
but maybe is just due to team being played with, first match was also 0:3 for Corinthians, and those are only two wins for your time this season in Copa Libertadores

To be honest, I did a small amount of money in my bet, I was confident, but not too much hehehe

Yes really good odds thinking on Corinthians against Liverpool (u), the only thing because i dont put money on it was because Corinthians Santos and other teams from Brazil are making a really bad run in international cup(i dont understand why).

Corinthians is having a crisis, after coach Victor Pereira left Corinthians to Flamengo, the team took a deep dive in crisis, but at least now they got a good coach and slowly thing can get to normal again, but unfortunately out of Libertadores. At least they got the chance to continue in Sul Americana Cup.

Speaking of Internacional... he also beat Independiente Medellín by 3x1 and secured his classification (still undefeated)

When I saw the result I remembered you hahaha, congratulations, Inter is classified
I hope you bet on your team and got some money too 

My question is... will these teams that had a significant victory will be able to maintain this excellent performance in the next games?

I think Palmeiras will maintain a good performance on Libertadores, since they lost 2 games on Brasileiro and now wil, focus mainly on Libertadores. At least I expect this behavior from the team and sounds logical.
Palmeiras did the best campaign in group phase

[casperBGD]

Corinthians is the only Brasilian club that wasn't qualified for next round of Copa Libertadores and will have to settle to Copa Sudamericana

within other countries, only Colombia will have two teams, Equador, Paraquay and Uruguay one, and all other are from Brasil and Argentina, seems as domination

[MAAManda]

Corinthians is the only Brasilian club that wasn't qualified for next round of Copa Libertadores and will have to settle to Copa Sudamericana

It is not surprising that they could not qualify for the next round considering their poor performance in the league this season, currently they are only 15th in the Brazilian Serie A standings while the other teams that still progress to the next round are in the top 10 of the standings.

within other countries, only Colombia will have two teams, Equador, Paraquay and Uruguay one, and all other are from Brasil and Argentina, seems as domination

The Libertadores have been dominated for the past 6 seasons by clubs from Brazil and Argentina, don't expect more teams like Atletico Nacional from Colombia to become champions again.

[darxiaomi]

Corinthians is the only Brasilian club that wasn't qualified for next round of Copa Libertadores and will have to settle to Copa Sudamericana

within other countries, only Colombia will have two teams, Equador, Paraquay and Uruguay one, and all other are from Brasil and Argentina, seems as domination

The Libertadores have been dominated for the past 6 seasons by clubs from Brazil and Argentina, don't expect more teams like Atletico Nacional from Colombia to become champions again.

Yes and its gonna be worst, Brazil domiantes like nothing because they have the economic power right now ,and Argentina its in a "crisis".

The other thing its no team can make a solid base, so they can have good flow or football, they sell the good players to europe so fast or to other teams, so its very difficult.

One example its Uruguay, years ago Uruguay teams like Nacional or Peñarol were always important and very rough to win, but now they are crap. The last good participation on Libertadores from an Uruguayan team was the Peñarol who lost the final against the Santos of Neymar.

[gagux123]

I think Palmeiras will maintain a good performance on Libertadores, since they lost 2 games on Brasileiro and now wil, focus mainly on Libertadores. At least I expect this behavior from the team and sounds logical.
Palmeiras did the best campaign in group phase

Yes, you're right!
I have no doubt, Palmeiras will focus on Libertadores, because in Brasileirao they will be able to recover during the year, because the Brazilian championship will end in november/december

[rdluffy]

Corinthians is the only Brasilian club that wasn't qualified for next round of Copa Libertadores and will have to settle to Copa Sudamericana

within other countries, only Colombia will have two teams, Equador, Paraquay and Uruguay one, and all other are from Brasil and Argentina, seems as domination

Argentina has 25 Libertadores titles, while Brazil has 23.
In the last 4 years the champions have been Brazilian, and the last 3 finals were with Brazilian teams.
This reflects the crisis that Argentina is going through, where several players have gone to play in other countries, including Brazil.

It is not surprising that they could not qualify for the next round considering their poor performance in the league this season, currently they are only 15th in the Brazilian Serie A standings while the other teams that still progress to the next round are in the top 10 of the standings.

I think that even if we manage to play in the Copa Sulamericana, Corinthians will not get very far, the team is still too bad.
When I thought he was getting better, he had a couple of very good games, but he repeated the same mistakes and lost again.

The other thing its no team can make a solid base, so they can have good flow or football, they sell the good players to europe so fast or to other teams, so its very difficult.

One example its Uruguay, years ago Uruguay teams like Nacional or Peñarol were always important and very rough to win, but now they are crap. The last good participation on Libertadores from an Uruguayan team was the Peñarol who lost the final against the Santos of Neymar.

I agree, Europe attracts almost all the best players, it is very hard to compete with the salaries they pay, and not only that, Europe is every player's dream.

Brazil still managed to attract some players who were in Europe, but because they are at the end of their careers, 34 years old or older, or players who didn't do well over there, such as Gabriel Barbosa, and Cebolinha from Flamengo, Paulinho from Corinthians, among others.


Remembering that tomorrow, July 5th, the draw for the round of 16 will take place, we will know which will be the paths of each team.
The draw will be held at 16h UTC

[alegotardo]

Remembering that tomorrow, July 5th, the draw for the round of 16 will take place, we will know which will be the paths of each team.
The draw will be held at 16h UTC

As rdluffy had already advanced, Conmebol defined all the 2023 Libertadores clashes, from the round of 16 to the dispute of the grand final (depending on the winners).
These will be the next matches:

• Atlético Nacional vs Racing
• Nacional vs Boca Juniors
• Deportivo Pereira vs Independiente del Valle
• Atlético-MG vs Palmeiras
• Flamengo vs Olimpia
• Argentine Juniors vs Fluminense
• River Plate vs Internacional
• Bolivar vs Athletico PR

The image below also illustrates the keying of the following games:

River Plate and Internacional.... a super-classic!!!
I'm really looking forward to this game.

[rdluffy]

River Plate and Internacional.... a super-classic!!!
I'm really looking forward to this game.

Thanks alegotardo!
Since my Corinthians didn't qualify for the round of 16, I'll give my support to your Internacional hahaha, I don't want to see Palmeiras or Flamengo champions again

Looking at the two sides of the matches, both are extremely tough, I think all the macthes will be equilibrated

The first leg matches will be played on August 01, 02 and 03, so we don't have the odds yet, but looking at the matches, I think I can make a good profit with the bets
I will analyze each confrontation and make my list of probable classified until the final, but I can already say that it may be a final between Palmeiras and Flamengo again 

Inter will face a tough team, but not impossible one, Fluminese won 5 x 1 playing at home, and lost in Argentina 0 x 2, the key is try to win 2 x 0 in home and try a draw in Argentina

[darxiaomi]

I was late to comment again

I cant believe the luck Boca Juniors side on this Libertadores, they had the most easy group of all the cup and now they have the most easy draft until semifinals.

The only bad thing they have its.... yes themselves, they are a very bad team right now. So if Palmeiras surprases Mineiro we can see Palmeiras again in the final, sadly.

River has a very rough way....

And no before you ask, no im not from Boca or River hahaha

[rdluffy]

I was late to comment again

I cant believe the luck Boca Juniors side on this Libertadores, they had the most easy group of all the cup and now they have the most easy draft until semifinals.

The only bad thing they have its.... yes themselves, they are a very bad team right now. So if Palmeiras surprases Mineiro we can see Palmeiras again in the final, sadly.

River has a very rough way....

And no before you ask, no im not from Boca or River hahaha

Libertadores matches are always difficult haha
There are some teams that are bad in the national championships, but play very well in the Libertadores, an example is Boca Juniors itself, always feared by the Brazilians, no matter the situation.

The side/group where Boca Juniors stayed has Palmeiras as the strongest team in my opinion, and the other side has Flamengo, but I think both sides/groups are balanced.

You said about Palmeiras x Atlético MG, and I think Palmeiras can win without so much trouble
I'm trying to make my predictions for each match, and it's hard because there was easier groups like group H where Olimpia was and classified in 1st place, but look at group D, I think it was the toughest one, so it's hard to predict in the round of 16.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Corinthians is the only Brasilian club that wasn't qualified for next round of Copa Libertadores and will have to settle to Copa Sudamericana

within other countries, only Colombia will have two teams, Equador, Paraquay and Uruguay one, and all other are from Brasil and Argentina, seems as domination

Well, I can't say less, these teams from Brazil and Argentina are the ones that put themselves in context the most to be able to do many things, Corinthians misses me, they are one of the toughest teams there are, personally I think that here are the ones that most The dominate are the teams from Brazil and Argentina, the Colombian teams are also very good, but of course compared to the others the level of football is superior, we also cannot leave out the teams from Venezuela, there are only a couple that always stand out , such as Deportivo Táchira and Caracas FC, are very good teams that show their faces.

Now, if we go further south, we cannot forget that the Paraguayan teams, which are very tough, are really great teams and are very seasoned.

I was late to comment again

I cant believe the luck Boca Juniors side on this Libertadores, they had the most easy group of all the cup and now they have the most easy draft until semifinals.

The only bad thing they have its.... yes themselves, they are a very bad team right now. So if Palmeiras surprases Mineiro we can see Palmeiras again in the final, sadly.

River has a very rough way....

And no before you ask, no im not from Boca or River hahaha

Well Boca Jr is one of the most emblematic and good teams in Argentina, in fact I don't know if you remember when Riquelme was there, wow he did some amazing things there, also the Bombonera stadium is another level, one of the things that I love the most They like the Argentine teams like Boca and River are their fans and the songs are very good, also the rivalry between these teams is unique, I would not really see Boca and River in a stadium because I feel that it would scare me, there live that passion at the level of the Hooligans, it is something that wow.

Also as they have come, Palmeiras awaits Boca, which is one of the toughest teams in Brazil and with the most history or Flamengo, that is , super early finals , this Libertadores Cup like all of them is getting very good.

[darxiaomi]

Hi Luckmcfly, yes how can forget Riquelme when im argentinian?. One of the best players to play with shirt number 10 or like a lot of people says "the last 10".

I remember that goal on Libertadores 2007 finals against Gremio.

WHAT A GOAL

The last Libertadores cup championship for Boca Jrs.