⚽ Conmebol Libertadores 2023 - Prediction and Discussion Thread

[rdluffy]

Since my Corinthians did not qualify for the next stage of the Libertadores, and this kind of South American topic does not have as many posts as the European championships, I will also post here about the Copa Sudamericana.

A very cool and important detail: the champion of the Sulamericana will face the champion of the Europa League, maybe attract more attention to the soccer of South America.

There will be 3 games today, with the following odds:



I think there is a good chance that America MG will win this game, playing at home. The team is very good and last weekend almost took Corinthians out of the Copa do Brasil
If the team plays the same way, it can win
Corinthians will play away from home, but at least they have the advantage of having won at home by 1-0, I think I'll do Draw no Bet betting on Corinthians, paying 2.23

[darxiaomi]

Im seeing right now, but better to say following the games trought the apps, and what a destroy make America MG to Colo Colo, i dont expect such a easy win.

And now Estudiantes its destroying also Barcelona, i dont expect this one also.

Corinthians, until now not showing their are a brazilian team, normally they can be 3-0 win easy against any peruvian team.

[borovichok]

Well Boca Jr is one of the most emblematic and good teams in Argentina, in fact I don't know if you remember when Riquelme was there, wow he did some amazing things there, also the Bombonera stadium is another level, one of the things that I love the most They like the Argentine teams like Boca and River are their fans and the songs are very good, also the rivalry between these teams is unique, I would not really see Boca and River in a stadium because I feel that it would scare me, there live that passion at the level of the Hooligans, it is something that wow.

Also as they have come, Palmeiras awaits Boca, which is one of the toughest teams in Brazil and with the most history or Flamengo, that is , super early finals , this Libertadores Cup like all of them is getting very good.

There's no winning team that doesn't constitute a big fan base, supporting system was always the major objective from the very start. Boca Juniors is an elite club with high competitive players, there were capable of doing extreme measures inother to lift the significant trophies. Juan Romàn Riquelme record a stellar performance at Boca Juniors, he earned accolades while playing for the Xeneize, he was one of the big names that period. The league seems to be more interesting, although they're not more popular than the european football, but I believe in few years, things will definitely get better.

[rdluffy]

Im seeing right now, but better to say following the games trought the apps, and what a destroy make America MG to Colo Colo, i dont expect such a easy win.
And now Estudiantes its destroying also Barcelona, i dont expect this one also.
Corinthians, until now not showing their are a brazilian team, normally they can be 3-0 win easy against any peruvian team.

They were good games yesterday
I managed to get both bets right, on America and Corinthians
I would not have thought that America would win 5-1, although I know that the team plays very well, I thought that Colo Colo would be more prepared to play here in Brazil

About the Corinthians match, it was extremely difficult, despite 2-1, the Universitario team played well and trying to attack as much as possible with lots of pressure all the time
There was a lot of confusion during the game, there were 5 red cards in total. The match was really a South American soccer match


Today has 3 more matches for the Sudamericana, but today's macthes are not so good to bet in my opinion, maybe the Botafogo match goals over 2.75 paying 1.73 because the team is really strong, but maybe they don't go all in to spare some players

[rdluffy]

Today is an important day for my team Corinthians, starts the round of 16 of the Copa Sudamericana, against Newell's Old Boys from Argentina
The odds are very good for the 3 matches today

I will bet on Corinthians victory




There's also 3 matches of Libertadores

Argentinos Juniors x Fluminense
Bolivar x Athletico PR
River Plate x Internacional (hey @alegotardo, where are you? hehe)

Good duels between Argentinians and Brazilians
Are you following guys? Just watching or betting too?

[darxiaomi]

Yeah today we start the best part of the cup, and we have two really good games, between Argentinos Juniors x Fluminense and River Plate x Internacional, Argentina against Brazil, lets see if Argentinos Jrs can make a hit and win in his home against a more powerfull team than them.

In Copa Sudamericana we also have 3 good matches.

[darxiaomi]

Man! we cant talk about yesterday games without talking about the injury of the Argentino Juniors player, i never see something like that, because the break was in the knee and not in the tibia or in the ankle. Sad also for Marcelo b ecause he is a good guy and also he doesnt want to break him, it was pure missfortune.

About the match i dont see it but more bad luck for Argentinos in the draw if the goalkeeper was the regular that shot not ended in a goal.

River Plate make what they need to do.

[rdluffy]

Man! we cant talk about yesterday games without talking about the injury of the Argentino Juniors player, i never see something like that, because the break was in the knee and not in the tibia or in the ankle. Sad also for Marcelo b ecause he is a good guy and also he doesnt want to break him, it was pure missfortune.

About the match i dont see it but more bad luck for Argentinos in the draw if the goalkeeper was the regular that shot not ended in a goal.

River Plate make what they need to do.

It was one of the most shocking injuries I've seen in soccer to date, and I agree with you, it was pure misfortune.
I'm sure Marcelo would never do that, even more in a normal play, without a chance of goal or anything...

For those who want to see what we're talking about, it's this play here: https://youtu.be/E0S53jJD_bI?t=91

It seems that CONMEBOL may punish the player anyway.
I don't know how long Luciano Sanchéz will be out of soccer


The result was good for Fluminense, as they have not lost away from home.
Bolivar had a good result, but I think Athletico PR can turn the game around at home, it's not impossible
River got a good result at home, but it is very dangerous to play in Brazil against Inter with only 1 goal difference, I believe Inter has good chances too

Who did better was Palmeiras who got a win away from home

Today we have Flamengo vs Olimpia and Atletico Nacional vs Racing to finish the first games of the round of 16.

[darxiaomi]

A long time without seeing such a crazy game between Atletico Nacional and Racing club, man the end of the game was a complete no sense, and for me being "neutral" was really fun to see.

Atletico Nacional dont deserve any goal, but Racing defense was a pure disaster yesterday, i was think on bet for Racing in the comeback game.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Hi Luckmcfly, yes how can forget Riquelme when im argentinian?. One of the best players to play with shirt number 10 or like a lot of people says "the last 10".

I remember that goal on Libertadores 2007 finals against Gremio.

WHAT A GOAL

The last Libertadores cup championship for Boca Jrs.

Wow, that's a very beautiful video, worth every football player and fan to see, I always liked Riquelem's feints, and I think he's a master of free kicks, I would like to see more players like Riquelem, it's one of the best in the world, who has always paid tribute to him has always been Messi, well, both Argentines, and players with a great unique level of football that everyone wants to be like them.

By the way, when I saw this news, wow and I said what a level Boca Jr is going to be now, they are going to make great football that will have a very high level, I can only imagine in the Libertadores Cup when the player faces the Brazilian teams.

Edinson Cavani joins Boca Juniors on free transfer after terminating Valencia contract

Edinson Cavani has joined Argentine giants Boca Juniors after terminating his contract at Valencia.

    Cavani joins Boca Juniors
    Terminated Valencia deal after one season
    Paid £1.3m to end contract

WHAT HAPPENED? Cavani signed a two-year contract at Valencia after leaving Manchester United last summer, but he has now joined Boca Juniors on an 18-month deal after ending his stay in Spain prematurely.

Source: https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/edinson-cavani-joins-boca-juniors-free-transfer-valencia-contract/blt9f43ca2470823dae

I think that the Uruguayan got where he had to go, this is going to be incredible, I don't know but I have many expectations about Boca, besides that this team has always stood out for having the most representative players worldwide.

I also wanted to comment that Salomón Rondón in River is not doing badly either, I have seen that the same coach has managed to defend the compatriot because he has had to do many things to get there, he does not have an ID and has to wait 30 minutes in line to get through , and another two hours to get to training, only the player has been able to score but 4 goals, it seems to me, but it is something that the Venezuelan has been able to do to adapt to the high level of Argentine fútbol, now with a Cavanni in the team that is River's natural rival, things will get more interesting.

[Slow death]

Man! we cant talk about yesterday games without talking about the injury of the Argentino Juniors player, i never see something like that, because the break was in the knee and not in the tibia or in the ankle. Sad also for Marcelo b ecause he is a good guy and also he doesnt want to break him, it was pure missfortune.

About the match i dont see it but more bad luck for Argentinos in the draw if the goalkeeper was the regular that shot not ended in a goal.

River Plate make what they need to do.

it took me some time to comment on this thread, I saw this news as soon as the game ended, I confess that I had never seen something like this happen, I thought about rewatching the video, but the most I could was 3 times and I did not understand how it was possible that things reached that level, it seemed that Luciano Sanchéz's leg was ripped off instantly, that was my first impression when I saw it on TV, it's a very strange case, and as the TV commentators said that that type of injury takes at least 1 year to recover from the surgery, we wouldn't even be talking about recovery for him to play, at least he has to have 1 year for him to recover from the surgery, then comes that physiotherapy stage

for him to have a good recovery of leg movements, then he would start doing more medical exams while doing small training sessions to have the rhythm that a player needs to have, and it is a fact that for him to return to 100% as a player he would only see that from now on 1 year and a half or 2 years, that's a long time, so it won't be easy for him to come back and perform well, but as he is still very young, he still has a lot to play for, I also read that he will need a lot of surgeries and that this estimate of 1 year could still be extended, so he will need to be very patient

this case shows how there is a high risk that players are exposed to, that's why they need to earn a high salary because with that in serious cases like these they already have an early retirement, not to mention that being a player is difficult to stay playing with 40 years old, players retire early, and I constantly see cases where 5 years after they retire they are bankrupt


in a few days we will have more games I see Palmeiras passing by and I also see Flamengo passing by. both teams beat their opponents in the first leg, but it was not a convincing victory, as they only scored 1 goal. Palmeiras will play at home and Flamengo will play away from home.

[rdluffy]

A long time without seeing such a crazy game between Atletico Nacional and Racing club, man the end of the game was a complete no sense, and for me being "neutral" was really fun to see.

Atletico Nacional dont deserve any goal, but Racing defense was a pure disaster yesterday, i was think on bet for Racing in the comeback game.

Unfortunately I didn't watch that game, but 4x2 is a very good result for Atlético Nacional. A 2 goal lead is excellent in the libertadores to play outside home, they will probably play in defense mode
It will probably be an exciting game on August 10

Wow, that's a very beautiful video, worth every football player and fan to see, I always liked Riquelem's feints, and I think he's a master of free kicks, I would like to see more players like Riquelem, it's one of the best in the world, who has always paid tribute to him has always been Messi, well, both Argentines, and players with a great unique level of football that everyone wants to be like them.

I remember well when Riquelme was playing for Boca Juniors, and all the Brazilian teams suffered from his ability
It was very difficult to play against Boca Juniors at that time, no Brazilian team wanted to play against them 

I think that the Uruguayan got where he had to go, this is going to be incredible, I don't know but I have many expectations about Boca, besides that this team has always stood out for having the most representative players worldwide.

I just checked here and there is the Boca Juniors game tomorrow and Cavani might play
The player will be able to help the Boca team a lot in this libertadores and has everything to work, the player and the team have a similar style to play, with a lot of enthusiasm and willpower

in a few days we will have more games I see Palmeiras passing by and I also see Flamengo passing by. both teams beat their opponents in the first leg, but it was not a convincing victory, as they only scored 1 goal. Palmeiras will play at home and Flamengo will play away from home.

I also think Palmeiras and Flamengo will pass to the next phase, Fluminense too.
It will be hard to Athletico PR and Inter, but there's good chances since both will play at home, total conditions


I'll try to make my prediction here, share with us your prediction too guys

Classifieds in bold:

Racing x Atlético Nacional
Boca Juniors x Nacional Uruguay
Independiente del Valle x Deportivo Pereira
Palmeiras x Atlético MG
Athletico PR x Bolívar
Inter x River
Fluminense x Argentinos Juniors
Olimpia x Flamengo

[alegotardo]

Inter x River

Are you rooting against my Internacional?
All right, I understand you because because he lost 2-1 at Monumental de Nuñez last week, now Internacional needs to win by at least two goals difference to qualify... if they win in the "conventional" game by only a goal difference then the decision will go to penalties.

At least Internacional will have the support of 50,000 fans to boost it in this conquest, but I think that this will not be enough considering that it is in the worst sequence of the season with 7 consecutive games without winning (three defeats and four draws).

What gives me hope is that, historically, River Plate doesn't usually have good performances when playing as a visitor in the Libertadores... I hope that the excitement of the Colorado fans manages to discourage them.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I think that the Uruguayan got where he had to go, this is going to be incredible, I don't know but I have many expectations about Boca, besides that this team has always stood out for having the most representative players worldwide.

I just checked here and there is the Boca Juniors game tomorrow and Cavani might play
The player will be able to help the Boca team a lot in this libertadores and has everything to work, the player and the team have a similar style to play, with a lot of enthusiasm and willpower

With Cavani it is something else, for me he is one of the players who has the most charisma, in fact when he plays with Uruguay he shines, he is a very difficult player to reach and they don't give him an angle to shoot because he hits the ball very well and hard , that type of player is the one that destabilizes any goalkeeper a lot, even if the goalkeeper has the best training, he is a very difficult player, I remember that with a game between Portugal and Uruguay he was very injured and CR7 kindly helped him out from the stadium, but before that that game was great, it gave a lot of trouble to a CR7 that was not having a very good time. Well particularly in this match of the Libertadores de Boca vs Nacional, he looks very good, in fact Cavani can shine a lot, I hope so because many have hope for him.

So far these results have been developed:



Source: https://www.beinsports.com/en-us/soccer/conmebol-libertadores/news

These results are not bad, River fell, it is something relevant, however, noting that many good games are to come, as they have said, I would like to see well and finish, especially the games in Palmeiras, it is remarkable that when Palmeiras plays is like another level, I don't know, at least I see it that way, this team is the most outstanding for me in Brazil, and it has a lot of history, of course I do make a parenthesis here to say that the Brazilian teams in Copa Libertadores are Too strong, I couldn't say less than any of them, if a team comes from Brazil, well, you have to play very well and fast, because they have incredible speed and technique, for me Palmeiras can reach the final easily and without detracting from any team, just because the great quality that he has in his game.

Well in retrospect, here the teams that can stop the Brazilians will always be the Argentines for me, because they have a high level, in the case of River well, things clearly did not happen, but Boca remains here and I think everyone is here. In the thread we are waiting for what is going to unfold with them, how Cavani will look, how Boca will act, there are many things that we are waiting for.

[darxiaomi]

Yesterday games were really dissapointing. I cant believe how CORRUPBOL can make this to the teams.

First of all Bolivar goal was totally goal, it was no reason to denied that goal, luckily Bolivar can resist the whole game and pass in pelanty kicks. And the referees know they destroy them, for that they dont show red card to the bolivar player who kick in the chest a Paranaense player. Two big errors.

The other one game was River Inter, in this one for me its a big dissapointment, because River its the only team who can cut the brazilian supremacy, so i thinka gain the champion its gonna be from Brazil. One really idiot decision by the referees here was the cancel of Solari penalty, i know him ended shoot with two feets, but it wasnt his fault, the pitch was destroyed, so for me o you take the goal, or make him shoot again, but not cancel the shoot.

[alegotardo]

Yesterday games were really dissapointing. I cant believe how CORRUPBOL can make this to the teams.

First of all Bolivar goal was totally goal, it was no reason to denied that goal, luckily Bolivar can resist the whole game and pass in pelanty kicks. And the referees know they destroy them, for that they dont show red card to the bolivar player who kick in the chest a Paranaense player. Two big errors.

The other one game was River Inter, in this one for me its a big dissapointment, because River its the only team who can cut the brazilian supremacy, so i thinka gain the champion its gonna be from Brazil. One really idiot decision by the referees here was the cancel of Solari penalty, i know him ended shoot with two feets, but it wasnt his fault, the pitch was destroyed, so for me o you take the goal, or make him shoot again, but not cancel the shoot.

In fact, mistakes continue to happen and unfortunately this will not be the last, despite the fact that Conmebol already admitted yesterday afternoon that it was in fact wrong to annul Bolívar's goal against Athletico. But it seems to me that the error in this move was not made by the VAR, but by the referee who misinterpreted the "infraction", but in fact the contact did not have a disproportionate force to score a foul.

As for the goal annulled at Internacional  River, I think it was fair, because in fact there were two touches, regardless of the player's will or not, it's the same thing when a defender hits an attacker with a slide-tackled without touching the ball, it's not a play intentional, however it is configured as an "infraction" and needs to be punished in some way... in the case of the penalty this can only be done with the annulment of the bid, there is no middle ground.

[darxiaomi]

Boca suffered so much without reason in yesterday game, they can win easily but they miss clear opportunities, and also when they have to defend they defend quite bad.

Cavani debut was not so good, he have one easy chance to score in the second half and he incredible missed it.

In the other game.... Palmeiras being Palmeiras, so dominaiting in Libertadores in the last years.

[Slow death]

Palmeiras draw in the game against Atlético - mg, with that Palmeiras moves to another phase because in the first leg game Palmeiras won, in this second leg game Palmeiras had many chances to score goals, but they kept making mistakes that it even seemed that they were doing it on purpose, but unfortunately they have been doing it in many other games, palmeiras went to another stage thanks to luck and their next opponent can also give more luck to palmeiras, I believe that palmeiras will win in the next game against deportivo pear tree, but it will be another victory that will count on luck. deportivo pereira doesn't seem to be a very strong opponent, they are on the same level as palmeiras, that's why i see palmeiras with a chance of victory

tomorrow Flamengo plays, with the very tight victory that Flamengo had, they come to tomorrow's game under a lot of pressure, they need to win and not concede goals and they won't be playing at home, so the mission will be more difficult for Flamengo, in the In the first leg, Flamengo had 75% possession of the ball, but they kept wasting opportunities to score goals, and if this is to be repeated in the second leg, which will be tomorrow, then I see the game ending in a draw or, in case of bad luck, Flamengo losing, I will not bet on this game, but if I were to place a bet I would bet on less than two goals, I see this game being a game with few goals and without much quality

Tomorrow there will also be the racing game against Atlético Nacional, when I see the first leg game and its result, I have the opinion that Racing will have little or nothing to reverse this result, in tomorrow's game Atlético Nacional will win in my opinion, it was clear his superiority in the first leg game and it will be the same thing in the second leg game and racing will not be able to change anything

[rdluffy]

Are you rooting against my Internacional?
...
At least Internacional will have the support of 50,000 fans to boost it in this conquest, but I think that this will not be enough considering that it is in the worst sequence of the season with 7 consecutive games without winning (three defeats and four draws).
...

Hehe I'm sorry alegotardo
I was rooting for Inter to qualify of course, but precisely because of the bad sequence of play that was doing, I doubted a little and believed that River Plate would get at least a draw playing in Beira Rio, but congratulations to Inter, got a good classification and a tough one

Well in retrospect, here the teams that can stop the Brazilians will always be the Argentines for me, because they have a high level, in the case of River well, things clearly did not happen, but Boca remains here and I think everyone is here. In the thread we are waiting for what is going to unfold with them, how Cavani will look, how Boca will act, there are many things that we are waiting for.

The Libertadores was left with:
3 Brazilians, 2 Argentines, 1 Bolivian, 1 Paraguayan and 1 Colombian

The argentinians will always be hard to brazilians hahaha, unfortunately for them, only 1 team will survive to the semi-finals since the match will be Arg x Arg = Boca x Racing.
Nice matches to watch

I'll do my predictions in a few days, and I'm believing Palmeiras can win Libertadores again, at least is the strongest team so far in the competition

[LUCKMCFLY]

Are you rooting against my Internacional?
...
At least Internacional will have the support of 50,000 fans to boost it in this conquest, but I think that this will not be enough considering that it is in the worst sequence of the season with 7 consecutive games without winning (three defeats and four draws).
...

Hehe I'm sorry alegotardo
I was rooting for Inter to qualify of course, but precisely because of the bad sequence of play that was doing, I doubted a little and believed that River Plate would get at least a draw playing in Beira Rio, but congratulations to Inter, got a good classification and a tough one

Well in retrospect, here the teams that can stop the Brazilians will always be the Argentines for me, because they have a high level, in the case of River well, things clearly did not happen, but Boca remains here and I think everyone is here. In the thread we are waiting for what is going to unfold with them, how Cavani will look, how Boca will act, there are many things that we are waiting for.

The Libertadores was left with:
3 Brazilians, 2 Argentines, 1 Bolivian, 1 Paraguayan and 1 Colombian

The argentinians will always be hard to brazilians hahaha, unfortunately for them, only 1 team will survive to the semi-finals since the match will be Arg x Arg = Boca x Racing.
Nice matches to watch

I'll do my predictions in a few days, and I'm believing Palmeiras can win Libertadores again, at least is the strongest team so far in the competition

Wow yes, things are difficult, when looking at the results we see a dominance of the Brazilian teams, but it is something that always happens, also Palmeiras for me is the strongest of them, it is not bad that you think they can win, they are really tough.

Now, looking at it from another point of view, the elimination between Boca and Racing is something unfortunate for the Argentine teams because obviously the representation of both is very good, and in that case I would lean much more towards Boca because Boca I see that they have quite good representation, and they have Cavani, even more so Cavani is a very good reference, and I think that will help them a lot against Racing, and whoever wins from those two teams will be a very strong rival against the Brazilians, although I say something, the teams Brazilians in the Libertadores are invincible, but I don't know what happens to them when they play the Intercontinental Cup against European teams, I don't know if you remember Santos when Ney was there, that they lost against Barcelona at that time, which was when they recruited Ney For Barcelona, it would have been epic that Ney had played at the level he played in Liertadores, I don't know if he did it that way because Messi was there or because he didn't want to hurt Barcelona, but I would have played without compassion.

So now in this Libertadores if Palmeiras or Boca, or Internacional or whatever team is going to win, that they become a lion when they play in the intercontinental, I don't know what happens to them when they play against the teams from Europe, it's as if they are scared or have a lot of respect for it, at least I'm not like that, in football it doesn't matter where they are from, and I play with my technique and that's it, without fear or anything, that's how they should play, so In this case, if Palmeiras wins, or whoever it is, they have to give it their all, they don't have to surrender or be or let themselves be seen as weak, for me the South American teams are the strongest in soccer, I don't know if it's due to lack of publicity or due to lack of sponsors, because they do not have the same relevance as football in Europe, but that dominance should be in those who play the most.