⚽ Conmebol Libertadores 2023 - Prediction and Discussion Thread

[darxiaomi]

Yes and no, its unfortunated but also its lucky in someway, the level of this two argentinian teams are not so good, so at least we can ensure one semifinalist thanks to they play between.

I think Boca its gonna prevail, Racing its defending really bad and dont have that faith , that Boca have. In semifinals i think its gonna be very hard to beat Palmeiras to any of them.

[alegotardo]

For those who won against River Plate, facing Bolívar will be "easy"

I just hope that the altitude factor in relation to sea level is not a reason for excuses if Colorado has a bad game performance next Tuesday, unfortunately Internacional has this bad habit of disappointing its fans right after achieving great achievements like the one he did against River Plate.

But... I'm confident and I'll bet again in favor of a positive result for Internacional, I'm still planning my advance bets.

My only concern now is with the absences, because in addition to Johnny and De Pena who are suspended, Campanharo was also injured in the last game against River... now we have to hope that nothing more serious happens in the Brasileirão game that precedes the nex Libertadores match.

[darxiaomi]

Playing in La paz with the very high altitude its very hard for everyone, so in the game in La pAz im not gonna bet. In the game who its gonna be played on brazilian soil yes you can feel very confident.

But the other day when i see the game between Bolivar and Paranaense i see a very well Bolivar, and when you see the players they have you can see a lot of Argentinian and Brazilians.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Playing in La paz with the very high altitude its very hard for everyone, so in the game in La pAz im not gonna bet. In the game who its gonna be played on brazilian soil yes you can feel very confident.

But the other day when i see the game between Bolivar and Paranaense i see a very well Bolivar, and when you see the players they have you can see a lot of Argentinian and Brazilians.

I understand what you are saying, when you have to play in La Paz it is something that can be very good for the Bolivian teams because they are used to the altitude and lack of oxygen, that is something that they dominate very well there, in fact That is the factor that can determine whether a Bolivian team can have a great advantage, just taking into account when it is the qualifiers for the World Cup and it is time to play in La Paz, some take special training, with little oxygen to adapt to the climate and the pressure, the height if it hits, and hits enormously, could not be compared with a climate in Brazil, or a climate that can be seen in Argentina, however when these two titans, both Argentines and Brazilians have achieved very good results, it is As they say, the one who plays soccer plays anywhere, so here apart from all that, if it is necessary that it be seen as a possible advantage that Bolivians have in altitude, it is really strong, because if you run and feel that your lungs are not They give for more, immediately the oxygen in the body is lacking and the muscles do not respond with the strength that it is, and more in the losses, which is where most of the strength is obtained from.

I think it is very difficult to make bets because it is likely that the Bolivian teams have a masterful performance, I don't know how the Bolivians do to play as if they were doing it in a normal climate, I admire that vwerdad, but when you need air it is not pretty , it feels like drowning, I have played soccer in high places, but not with the height of La Paz, that is another level, I would not bet either.

[darxiaomi]

Yes, you explained it very well, but i also think this "positive" handicap bolivians teams have playing in that altitude ended up being a negative handicap for them, lets me explain.

Bolivians teams and also national team its by far the worst performance between COnmebol teams, and i think in some way its because they rely so much on the home games, and they dont play in normal condition real football.

[rdluffy]

And yesterday was the last match of the first round of the quarter-finals

Bolívar 0 x 1 Inter
Deportivo Pereixa 0 x 4 Palmeiras
Boca Juniors 0 x 0 Racing
Fluminense 2 x 0 Olimpia

--> Inter got a great result playing at altitude, it's very difficult to come away with a win, it's nice to see you commenting on games at altitude in Bolivia

--> In my opinion, Inter and Palmeiras are almost through, they got good results away from home and now they'll decide at home, with packed stadiums and fans helping out

--> Boca vs Racing for me is an unknown, our friend darxiaomi can comment better than me, but I think there's a 50% chance of each one qualifying

--> Fluminese also got a good result playing at home, but they still have to be careful because they'll be playing away from home, and 2-0 is still no guarantee of qualification

Do you agree? Do you have a different opinion?
Who do you think will qualify, Boca or Racing?

[alegotardo]

--> Inter got a great result playing at altitude, it's very difficult to come away with a win, it's nice to see you commenting on games at altitude in Bolivia

As per my last post here, I was pretty worried that the altitude would indeed become a problem for Internacional, but even that wasn't able to stop the Colorado team.
Unlike River Plate, Internacional now has the advantage of victory and I believe they really have an excellent chance of qualifying for the quarterfinals of Conmebol Libertadores.
The interesting thing about Internacional is that they played with a defensive strategy, I believed they would be more aggressive in this game. Anyway... they won and this was Internacional's first victory in La Paz in the four matches they've played there.

Who do you think will qualify, Boca or Racing?

If I were to bet today, it would be in favor of Boca Juniors.

[rdluffy]

As per my last post here, I was pretty worried that the altitude would indeed become a problem for Internacional...

Like the user darxiaomi posted, I also think that Bolivian teams end up betting too much on the altitude to win the matches, and that could even end up harming them
In the past it was much more difficult, nowadays, although it still is, club doctors and trainers have much more information and technology to combat the effects of altitude.
And talking about the home game, I think the Inter team knows they're better and will be able to play more on the attack, even though they're already 1x0 up, because they'll be playing at home and have no reason to be on the defensive. It's important to score a goal to ensure a smooth qualification

If I were to bet today, it would be in favor of Boca Juniors.

I also think that Boca Juniors will qualify, but I don't have enough conviction to make me bet on this game hehe
There are safer bets for me to make in this round
Maybe less than 2.5 goals in the match is a good bet, as the game could be low scoring

[darxiaomi]

--> Inter got a great result playing at altitude, it's very difficult to come away with a win, it's nice to see you commenting on games at altitude in Bolivia

--> In my opinion, Inter and Palmeiras are almost through, they got good results away from home and now they'll decide at home, with packed stadiums and fans helping out

--> Boca vs Racing for me is an unknown, our friend darxiaomi can comment better than me, but I think there's a 50% chance of each one qualifying

--> Fluminese also got a good result playing at home, but they still have to be careful because they'll be playing away from home, and 2-0 is still no guarantee of qualification

Do you agree? Do you have a different opinion?
Who do you think will qualify, Boca or Racing?

Well here we go, i support your thinking, Inter its in semefinals and Palmeiras also, Fluminense for me its 80% in semifinals, only a catastrophe in Paraguay can prevent that.

The most unpredictable amtch its Boca Racing, lets talk about, both teams are not in great shape, but Boca have better players, more important names like Cavani Romero etc, so i think Boca its gonna pass with a lot of sorrow.

[swogerino]

--> Inter got a great result playing at altitude, it's very difficult to come away with a win, it's nice to see you commenting on games at altitude in Bolivia

--> In my opinion, Inter and Palmeiras are almost through, they got good results away from home and now they'll decide at home, with packed stadiums and fans helping out

--> Boca vs Racing for me is an unknown, our friend darxiaomi can comment better than me, but I think there's a 50% chance of each one qualifying

--> Fluminese also got a good result playing at home, but they still have to be careful because they'll be playing away from home, and 2-0 is still no guarantee of qualification

Do you agree? Do you have a different opinion?
Who do you think will qualify, Boca or Racing?

Well here we go, i support your thinking, Inter its in semefinals and Palmeiras also, Fluminense for me its 80% in semifinals, only a catastrophe in Paraguay can prevent that.

The most unpredictable amtch its Boca Racing, lets talk about, both teams are not in great shape, but Boca have better players, more important names like Cavani Romero etc, so i think Boca its gonna pass with a lot of sorrow.

Boca has signed Cavani which in attack should give them some choice to score goals,if we see their games in Superliga in Argentine they have not been doing well at all.Only Romero is not enough to save them from disasters,they need to start scoring goals and which player better than Cavani can do this.The big star players usually make a difference in important games like these ones and I think Boca is fully focused here because in Superliga they have very little chances while River Plate during this year is completely dominating it.So yes most likely I think Boca will be doing better and qualifying,if they don't achieve it then I call this a failed season for them.

[rdluffy]

Well here we go, i support your thinking, Inter its in semefinals and Palmeiras also, Fluminense for me its 80% in semifinals, only a catastrophe in Paraguay can prevent that.

The most unpredictable amtch its Boca Racing, lets talk about, both teams are not in great shape, but Boca have better players, more important names like Cavani Romero etc, so i think Boca its gonna pass with a lot of sorrow.

Inter have already qualified
And I agree, Fluminense should have an 80% chance of qualifying

Regarding Racing vs. Boca, 3 of us think that Boca Juniors will qualify, but with difficulty it seems.

Boca has signed Cavani which in attack should give them some choice to score goals,if we see their games in Superliga in Argentine they have not been doing well at all.Only Romero is not enough to save them from disasters,they need to start scoring goals and which player better than Cavani can do this.The big star players usually make a difference in important games like these ones and I think Boca is fully focused here because in Superliga they have very little chances while River Plate during this year is completely dominating it.So yes most likely I think Boca will be doing better and qualifying,if they don't achieve it then I call this a failed season for them.

And not just Boca, but several Brazilian teams are also doing badly in the domestic league and have focused their efforts on the Libertadores or Sudamericana.
I don't know if it's good to do that, but...
Cavani is going to play, so he might actually help, see the line-up below



There will be two games today



This is the likely line-up for Racing vs. Boca

Racing: Arias; Pillud, Sigali, Piovi, Rojas; Gomez, Moreno, Oroz; Ojeda, Romero, Hauche
Boca Juniors: Romero; Figal, Rojo, Valentini; Advincula, Fernandez, Zeballos, Medina, Fabra; Merentiel, Cavani
Source

[darxiaomi]

Well finally we have the semifinals right here.

Full of Brazilians like the last years (sadly for me), plus Boca Juniors, a very bad Boca, the other day against Racing they play horrendous, they dont deserve so much, but also Racing dont make a lot to deserve the pass.

Lets see how much this Boca can resist agains Palmeiras. In the other leg, i dont follow so much the Brazilian football to know.

[alegotardo]

Well finally we have the semifinals right here.

Yeahhhh! We reached the semifinal clashes!!!

Fluminense will have the honor of starting the first game of this duel playing at home, in Maracanã... my guess is a draw and the big decision should take place in Beira-Rio, with the international qualified for the grand final

In the current campaign, Fluminense only managed to decide at home against Argentinos Juniors, for the round of 16. Internacional had the chance to win the classification at home on two occasions, one against River Plate and another against Bolívar playing in Beira-Rio.
Does it make a difference? I would say yes, because the second game is always more tense and playing with the support of the crowd helps a lot.

Looking at the other side, Palmeiras and Boca Juniors... The first leg will take place at Bombonera and the next game will take place at Allianz Parque.

[rdluffy]

Well finally we have the semifinals right here.

Full of Brazilians like the last years (sadly for me), plus Boca Juniors, a very bad Boca, the other day against Racing they play horrendous, they dont deserve so much, but also Racing dont make a lot to deserve the pass.

Lets see how much this Boca can resist agains Palmeiras. In the other leg, i dont follow so much the Brazilian football to know.

It ended with 3 Brazilians and 1 Argentinian, again
I didn't like the level of Boca Juniors' soccer either, it doesn't even remotely resemble the Boca Juniors of a few years ago

From what Palmeiras have been playing, I think it's going to be very difficult for Boca Juniors to reach the final, but I can't underestimate them either and say that Palmeiras are already in the final, that's dangerous, and at least Boca Juniors have tradition
I've seen Argentinian teams score a goal and then play in such a way that it's impossible to score against them

Yeahhhh! We reached the semifinal clashes!!!

Like a good friend, I'll be rooting for your team @alegotardo
My Corinthians have already been disqualified so I'm rooting for Inter.
I think they're fully capable of getting past Fluminense and then Boca or Palmeiras.
Inter have shown themselves to be a very good team in the Libertadores, they got first place in the group stage without defeat, in a difficult group, they got an incredible result against River Plate, who until then would have been the best Argentinian team, and then they still got a good result despite playing at altitude in Bolivia
Inter are in a good shape to play the semi-finals

[Lucasgabd]

seems like once more we have Palmeiras as our favorite for winning the championship
any guesses on who will be placed second or third?

do you think Boca Juniors has any chance at all?

curious to see how this will play out

[rdluffy]

seems like once more we have Palmeiras as our favorite for winning the championship
any guesses on who will be placed second or third?

do you think Boca Juniors has any chance at all?

curious to see how this will play out

My best guess is a final with Palmeiras x Inter
I think Palmeiras is the favorite among the 4 remaining teams to be the champion

But the first match in Argentina is more favorable to Boca, look at the probabilities:



I bet in a draw in the first match and them a victory for Palmeiras in Brazil
Inter x Fluminense I think in a victory of Fluminense in Rio de Janeiro, them a victory for Inter playing at home and probably penalties to decide the spot in the final 

Do you agree with my guess guys?

[darxiaomi]

I dont know HOW and WHY they see Boca as favorite when Boca cant win in the home game against a much more weaker team like Nacional in the round of 16 and also cant win against Racing in quarterfinals, so now against a brazilian team who is one of the best teams in Libertadores from last year, its a non sense.

[alegotardo]

I'm dreaming of the final of this championship already....
Did you see that Conmebol is already selling tickets?

The final of the Copa Libertadores in Maracanã (Rio de Janeiro) is scheduled for November 4th.
Even though Conmebol should only release details on ticket sales at the beginning of October, anxious fans (I'm one of them) can already buy their tickets, hotel and even tickets to the stadium in advance for prices ranging from R$ 2,500 and R$4,000 (Amount in Reais, Brazilian local currency).

Obviously there will be cheaper tickets, but those are not yet available for sale.

Would you buy, at that moment, a very expensive ticket for the championship final without being sure if your team will play in it?

[rdluffy]

I dont know HOW and WHY they see Boca as favorite when Boca cant win in the home game against a much more weaker team like Nacional in the round of 16 and also cant win against Racing in quarterfinals, so now against a brazilian team who is one of the best teams in Libertadores from last year, its a non sense.

I think these odds are due to the fact that they're playing at home in La Bombonera. All the indications are that Palmeiras will win and qualify, but I don't underestimate Argentinian soccer in any way, one of the countries that has shown me the most resilience is Argentina
The Palmeiras team has to go into the game thinking that it's going to be a tough game, they can't underestimate Boca

I'm dreaming of the final of this championship already....
Did you see that Conmebol is already selling tickets?

The final of the Copa Libertadores in Maracanã (Rio de Janeiro) is scheduled for November 4th.
Even though Conmebol should only release details on ticket sales at the beginning of October, anxious fans (I'm one of them) can already buy their tickets, hotel and even tickets to the stadium in advance for prices ranging from R$ 2,500 and R$4,000 (Amount in Reais, Brazilian local currency).

Obviously there will be cheaper tickets, but those are not yet available for sale.

Would you buy, at that moment, a very expensive ticket for the championship final without being sure if your team will play in it?

Hehehe, tough decision alegotardo, it's hard to buy an expensive ticket without know if your team will pass or not, but you can always sell a ticket to another fan
Don't forget to take a picture and post here if you go to Maracanã to watch Inter 

If I had a lot of belief in my team, and a lot of desire to watch a final, I think I would buy in advance, because the tendency is for tickets to become harder and more expensive to get.
I thought it would be cheaper to get the tickets, about 1000 reais at most, not 2500 to 4000 hehehe

Are you really thinking of going to the final?

[darxiaomi]

I dont know HOW and WHY they see Boca as favorite when Boca cant win in the home game against a much more weaker team like Nacional in the round of 16 and also cant win against Racing in quarterfinals, so now against a brazilian team who is one of the best teams in Libertadores from last year, its a non sense.

I think these odds are due to the fact that they're playing at home in La Bombonera. All the indications are that Palmeiras will win and qualify, but I don't underestimate Argentinian soccer in any way, one of the countries that has shown me the most resilience is Argentina
The Palmeiras team has to go into the game thinking that it's going to be a tough game, they can't underestimate Boca

Yeah no doubt about that, but Boca its really bad, the only thing they have its that mistic of being a HUGE of America and always making good games in Libertadores, the card their have is Cavani, until now Cavani doesnt show anything, lets see if he start to show his magic in that game.