Who is losing? Finland joins NATO.

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You jokers are so funny. So is Finland. Lol. All they are doing is trying to keep the Finns inside.
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If you only knew how stupid and childish that sounds and how ridiculous your sources are. In Finland we have a free healthcare, free education, free speech, clean water, free government pension and ton of other things you can just google. And Finland is one of the least corrupt countries in the world. Why would Finnish people want to leave? So maybe you don't know anything.

Cheap vodka?

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You jokers are so funny. So is Finland. Lol. All they are doing is trying to keep the Finns inside.
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If you only knew how stupid and childish that sounds and how ridiculous your sources are. In Finland we have a free healthcare, free education, free speech, clean water, free government pension and ton of other things you can just google. And Finland is one of the least corrupt countries in the world. Why would Finnish people want to leave? So maybe you don't know anything.

Lol. I am laughing way beyond lol.

In Finland you have free healthcare. In other words you go to the doctor or hospital, and some slaves fix your health... because it is free, and they work for nothing, right? Lol.

In Finland teachers are really skinny, because they work for free, and haven't had anything to eat in ages, because working free they don't get any money for food, right?

In Finland you have free speech, because you just sit there and the speech simply bubbles out of you without you having to think or activate you voice, right?

In Finland there is free, clean water, because all you have to do is the work that it takes to go out and lick an iceberg. Oops! It isn't free. You have to work at licking, right?

In Finland you get dozens or hundreds of free other things, because everybody works for free, to give you what you want for free, right?

Oh, I forgot. Everybody gets paid for free because government pays them, right? So, they can work for free, so that they can pay taxes to government so that government can pay them so that they can work for free, and so that government people can get a healthy check, themselves, for sitting around and directing the tax and benefactor activities, right? Lol.

But mostly, in Finland, stupidity is free... probably from the drugs (fluoride) government sticks in the water... that Hitler's people trained them to do when they found that fluoride dumbed people down.

Okay. Now, let's build a 1300km fence to keep the Russians out. Did you ever hear of anything so silly?

Finns have been dumbed down so much that they can barely feel anything. They live dumbed-down lives and feel simply wonderful about it. And government laughs all the way to the bank with Finnish labor, because the people thought they got everything free. Lol.

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Sounds like i hit some weird nerve as what you are telling us is batshit insane. Like you would avoid googling at all costs when you can make up stories from a fantasyland?

I give you a hint: you were wrong on everything, to the point i got worried for your mental health. Btw you might benefit from free mental healthcare as well as you sadly sound very much paranoid and detached from reality.

So maybe you should listen more your relatives as i am assuming they have offered already as they care for you. So if you can afford the help, accept it. And if not, maybe go and do fundme or something. Remember to show your posts to your doctor and ask if it was me who is out of their mind.

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Sounds like i hit some weird nerve as what you are telling us is batshit insane. Like you would avoid googling at all costs when you can make up stories from a fantasyland?

I give you a hint: you were wrong on everything, to the point i got worried for your mental health. Btw you might benefit from free mental healthcare as well as you sadly sound very much paranoid and detached from reality.

So maybe you should listen more your relatives as i am assuming they have offered already as they care for you. So if you can afford the help, accept it. And if not, maybe go and do fundme or something. Remember to show your posts to your doctor and ask if it was me who is out of their mind.

Didn't you express somewhere in a post that you were a Finn or from Finland or something like that? I wasn't really expecting it, but you are sounding exactly like the kind of people I was describing in my previous post that you quoted, sort of.

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It's interesting to see how Russia's actions and concerns regarding NATO expansion have played out in the region. While some may argue that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was an attempt to defend its borders, it's important to consider the implications of such actions and the potential for escalating tensions. It's also worth noting that NATO's expansion into neighboring countries can be seen as a measure to provide security and support to those states, rather than an aggressive act by NATO against Russia. It's important to continue to have open dialogues and diplomatic efforts to address these complex issues and find solutions that prioritize peace and stability in the region. What are your thoughts on this topic?

There are different ways to fight a war. In any large city in the world, there are various companies selling the same kinds of products. They are all at 'war' with each other, even if they do not go out and militarily attack each other.

Russia broke up the USSR back in 1991, with the expectation that the US would abide by agreements to not expand Nato. But the US has expressly said that they want to take over Russia, and break Russia into a bunch of little States. They have proved it by expanding Nato, and by supplying Ukraine with armaments and money.

So, who is the warmongering country? Russia who is only protecting her borders and her people from US backed aggression? Or the US that has stated that they want to take over Russia, and are proving it by advancing Nato... a thing that they expressly stated they would not do.

There are many ways to fight a war. But it seems that Russia isn't doing nearly as much warring as the US.

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You jokers are so funny. So is Finland. Lol. All they are doing is trying to keep the Finns inside. If Ukraine had done this, they would have kept millions from fleeing, and they would have had a whole lot more people to join their military, and more people to manufacture arms to fight Russia.

Oh, don't be naive. believe me, the only ones who want to leave the country so they don't end up as soldiers are the Russians. For example, just last year, about 170,000 (data from January '23, now it is certainly much more) Russian citizens immigrated to my country. It's like a smaller city, and it's mostly young and financially independent from the home country.

I can imagine that among other things one of the main reasons for russians fleeing would be to avoid the draft. Which i can totally understand. When the cause is made up and their dictator is insane, and you would have to fight with an ancient gear without decent leadership, your life means nothing and you are probably dying for nothing, i imagine that i would flee as well.

But just out of interest because of such high numbers. Are you part of nato and if not, what do you think of the idea of weaponized of mass migration and has your country prepared to that?

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So, who is the warmongering country? Russia who is only protecting her borders

Actually Russia started the war by attacking Ukraine.

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I can imagine that among other things one of the main reasons for russians fleeing would be to avoid the draft. Which i can totally understand. When the cause is made up and their dictator is insane, and you would have to fight with an ancient gear without decent leadership, your life means nothing and you are probably dying for nothing, i imagine that i would flee as well.

They have one life and they don't want to give it to an autocrat who wants to play real war.

But just out of interest because of such high numbers. Are you part of nato and if not, what do you think of the idea of weaponized of mass migration and has your country prepared to that?

Here is situation looks a bit complicated, in some biased theories, we have a good relationship with Russia, although, in reality, it is not even close to that. Also, we are not in Nato and we will probably never join. All the similar ideas you mention are in the domain of a few fanatics who drunkenly talk about it. Everyone who has felt at least a little comfortable with life only thinks about how to improve it even more. Mass weaponized and similar ideas are only part of the keyboard-warrior-group discussion.

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Unsorted garbage is now being transported to Finland to replace the supply of Russian raw materials for energy companies.

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As if the Ukraine incident wasn't a big enough headache. And now another thing is about to muddle the waters even further. I don't even care about their reasons anymore, there's just no reason good enough to justify this madness. I just wish leaders would be more mindful about the majority of the people that'd be affected by their decisions rather than focusing on their EGOs or deluded principles. Such scary times, sigh.

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Any country can join whatever alliance it wants. IMO countries should make a clear stance and draw the line where it should be drawn - at invasion and murder.

As if the Ukraine incident wasn't a big enough headache.

You call that invasion and people being murdered and buried in mass graves "an incident"? That's an euphemism to say the least.

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Any country can join whatever alliance it wants.

Every action has consequences. Finland's accession to NATO is no exception. I think the Finns will soon realize that a significant part of their wealth was based on the neutral status of their country, which made Finland a good intermediary between Russia and Western Europe and served as a source of significant preferences from Russia. Now the preferences are over, and instead of comfortable, well-fed neutrality, Finland finds itself at the forefront of a sharp ideological confrontation, where the need to pay NATO membership fees of 2% of GDP and build a border wall is the least source of their potential discomfort. Probably soon Finland will lose the status of the happiest country in the world, because it is difficult to be happy being between a rock and a hard place.

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Yeah, once again, that's not how it goes. We have to use 2% of GDP for our defence budget. So maybe worry about happiness of your own citizens. We are doing just fine in here, so set up as many sanctions as you wish.

We have prepared our security of supply in finland since the winter war and just opened another nuclear power plant so you can keep your gas too.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/17/finland-has-civil-shelters-capable-of-withstanding-a-nuclear-attack.html