Enough to consider a casino scam?

[Wiwo]

Actually trying a new casino on this forum is not a big risk as long as you don't provide any KYC data and try a new casino using a small amount.
So we can find out for ourselves how the casino is running without having to wait for other people's experiences.
I myself am also too lazy to try the new casinos on this forum, whereas here many big casinos can
  become a safer place to gamble.[/left]

I don't think that should be blamed on the casino in any way since the rules are there for the players to read and comply with and if in any situation the players failed read the T&C of a casino before placing bets on them you should be ready to face whatever outcome you will get from the cause of playing in the casino because some casinos will allow you to deposit-play and when you win their kyc demand will be auto triggered only then you become aware that you will need to pass their kyc before you get your withdrawal.

So for ops to have cried out this way shows that he fucked up by not reading the whole casino terms of service to be able to know if they are kyc free or not, the importance of reading the terms and conditions of a casino goes beyond just kyc or withdrawals but also to know if you are allowed to use VPN or not.  All this will help the player to remain safe in the casino while enjoying the game's sections.

[livingfree]

Casinos have some things that they need to take care of, and fighting money laundering and avoiding it to happen within their platforms is probably at the top of their priority list, so they are not wrong in asking for KYC, and if someone fails to pass KYC, they might be the one who is wrong and not the platform.

And with several people complaining about being asked for KYC, it doesn't mean that the casino is suspecting them or the casino is a scam. It is their process that everyone's who's been asked to do, to do it and comply.

How can a casino fail to pass someone who's complying for a KYC? They'll give a reason why you have failed or what you need to comply more for them to pass you.

It's either of the two unless they won't disclose it and that only means that there's something bigger on your end that you have done against them.

[Wiwo]

Actually trying a new casino on this forum is not a big risk as long as you don't provide any KYC data and try a new casino using a small amount.
So we can find out for ourselves how the casino is running without having to wait for other people's experiences.
I myself am also too lazy to try the new casinos on this forum, whereas here there are many big casinos that can
  become a safer place to gamble.[/left]

The most valuable advise is to only try a new casino with smaller amount to see. How their platform works before risking a higher amount in deposit, let say if the casino has an ANN thread here in the forum it could serve as additional security for players since they could contact the team directly or better still read the reviews of other members of the forum to learn more about the casino and how to. Solve some of the little issues that may arise from the activities of the player in the casino.

[Bushdark]

Apart from what op had written, there are many thing we can see in a casino or the experience we might have had with using a casino that can consider it as a scam. We have not heard from op for long now but if we consider what he had written based on his explanation, I think we can still give the casino a prove of doubt to be sure that we are not taking a weak conclusion about the casino.
There are some casinos that are very slow to something like this but with time things are going to be resolved.
No what the problem we have with casinos, we should always be patient to understand before judging.

[Gyfts]

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Generally sound advice; however, casinos are at no obligation to accept KYC documents and can deny them arbitrarily. Not that I've dug too deeply into the legal jargon of the ToS from some of these casinos, but I'm sure some of the shadier ones will explicitly state in the ToS that balance forfeiture is completely within their rights as a casino. The ToS you read on their websites become utterly useless if there's arbitrary enforcement or if there isn't any solution to violation of the ToS on behalf of the player. They read like legal contracts. None of these casinos are in jurisdictions that would allow you to hold them accountable to their own ToS should they violate their own rules.

Don't just rely on the ToS, rely on reputation.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

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Generally sound advice; however, casinos are at no obligation to accept KYC documents and can deny them arbitrarily. Not that I've dug too deeply into the legal jargon of the ToS from some of these casinos, but I'm sure some of the shadier ones will explicitly state in the ToS that balance forfeiture is completely within their rights as a casino. The ToS you read on their websites become utterly useless if there's arbitrary enforcement or if there isn't any solution to violation of the ToS on behalf of the player. They read like legal contracts. None of these casinos are in jurisdictions that would allow you to hold them accountable to their own ToS should they violate their own rules.

Don't just rely on the ToS, rely on reputation.

    -   I would somewhat agree with the reputation, although in the eyes of the majority gambling is not a good activity, but even so if many gamblers play in a casino here in crypto gambling we can say that the reputation of the casino like this is good .

Especially when we don't hear much about the issues that gambling casinos have faced with those who have played on their platform before, right?

[Haunebu]

If the casino rejects your KYC documents even though they are completely legit, it implies that they are indeed scamming you using their TOS as a shield. They provide various excuses to justify themselves.

However, if there is some sort of issue(Including minor ones) with your KYC documents, you are 100% at fault and the casino is right to reject your documents frankly speaking.

This is why you should make sure that there are no issues before submitting them op.

[Sanitough]

You can consider it as a scam if it did something that is against the law or that is really inappropriate for instance you just won a big amount of money and they will do anything to delay it or in case won't allow you to withdraw and you submitted the required document but still, they did not accept it even though you know that what you have send is valid and doesn't have any problem.

I think you should away on those kind of gambling site.

Even though the ops stated clearly that he didn't know that the casino will ask for kyc but after he won an amount that is above many casino trence hold for kyc demand,  because most of the casino may allow you to withdraw any amount that is below $5k but any winning above that limit will trigger kyc demand and the player will need to go through kyc verifications.

But in a situation where the player passed all the verification process and the casino refused to grant him access to the fund then he can call the scam.

Obviously, that’s already a sign of scam once your KYC is always neglected, which means they really have no intention to release your won amount. But I don’t think it’s their first time to do that if ever, they may have past victims same like your case. That’s the reason why we should also take some time reading the reviews, because apparently, those previous victims will definitely post their complaints so they can also help other gamblers to stay away from the said casino.

[AicecreaME]

If the casino rejects your KYC documents even though they are completely legit, it implies that they are indeed scamming you using their TOS as a shield. They provide various excuses to justify themselves.

However, if there is some sort of issue(Including minor ones) with your KYC documents, you are 100% at fault and the casino is right to reject your documents frankly speaking.

This is why you should make sure that there are no issues before submitting them op.

Agree with this.

There's no reason for a legit casino to consecutively reject your KYC verification if you really did submit all the documents needed. If you complied to all of the required documents such as picture of identification card, giving your personal information, bank statements, and the likes that are frequently asked in KYC, then it's on their end that has a problem, not you. If you provided a clear picture or copies of these, they should grant your KYC, unless they aren't legitimate casino to begin with who doesn't have enough funding to let you make a withdrawal.

But if your documents are incomplete and/or also blurry, then it's on you. Double check the things you submitted first to see whether the problem is you or them. If you know to yourself that it's on them, then make a complaint and post in scam & accusations board to gather opinions, to escalate the concern, and to give a warning to those people who want to try their website.

[maydna]

You can consider it as a scam if it did something that is against the law or that is really inappropriate for instance you just won a big amount of money and they will do anything to delay it or in case won't allow you to withdraw and you submitted the required document but still, they did not accept it even though you know that what you have send is valid and doesn't have any problem.

I think you should away on those kind of gambling site.

Even though the ops stated clearly that he didn't know that the casino will ask for kyc but after he won an amount that is above many casino trence hold for kyc demand,  because most of the casino may allow you to withdraw any amount that is below $5k but any winning above that limit will trigger kyc demand and the player will need to go through kyc verifications.
But in a situation where the player passed all the verification process and the casino refused to grant him access to the fund then he can call the scam.

Casino sites may require kyc to withdraw large amounts which almost all sites require. But all sites must write this into their rules. op said in his post that he is willing to do kyc but he submitted kyc but his kyc is not getting approved. If the site is repeatedly rejected by kyc despite submitting the correct information, then the site must be trying to cheat, so the site can be called a scam.  But op has not posted any proper proof that his kyc was rejected after submitting kyc

Maybe we better think that @OP has forgotten it even though he has re-sent KYC. He doesn't need to play there if the casino is proven to be a scam casino. But if the KYC is refused, there should be info from the casino about what to do and the casino shouldn't be too complicated for players who want to do KYC and agree to it immediately. If refused, this adds to the suspicion that the casino is really a scam. Or maybe in this case, there is a misunderstanding between @OP and the casino so the problem cannot be resolved.

Exactly if the ops pass the KYC but are refused by the casino without any explanation or note to state what part of the document was not accepted that is a clear violation and a scam act from the casino, just as I said in the previous comment, we must read through a casino T&C to be sure of what term and conditions we are up against before making an account.

Also, check the online reviews and also take note of that casino that has an ANN thread here in the forum before playing on them.

And if the ANN threads on this forum don't show that the casino is an honest casino and lots of people doubt it, we don't need to try it because it's been explained by the people here. We already have many trusted casinos on this forum and good reputations, so there's no need to look for or try casinos whose services are still in doubt. In playing gambling, we need to find a casino that suits us and choosing a casino based on what other people say doesn't mean it's right for us. We have to look for it until we find a casino that we think is suitable.

Actually trying a new casino on this forum is not a big risk as long as you don't provide any KYC data and try a new casino using a small amount.
So we can find out for ourselves how the casino is running without having to wait for other people's experiences.
I myself am also too lazy to try the new casinos on this forum, whereas here there are many big casinos that can
  become a safer place to gamble.

It is true that one can try out a new casino just to see how their service compares to other casinos. And that is a common thing gamblers do. But we don't know much that these new casinos can turn out to be scam casinos or casinos unsuitable for gambling. Especially if the new casino already has several unresolved cases, it will add to our suspicions about the potential for the casino to turn into a fraudulent casino in the future. I also don't try new casinos very often unless many members have tried and found no problems, so I hope not to encounter any problems. But these casinos can become scam casinos and no one will find out about it so we have to be careful.

[South Park]

It is true that one can try out a new casino just to see how their service compares to other casinos. And that is a common thing gamblers do. But we don't know much that these new casinos can turn out to be scam casinos or casinos unsuitable for gambling. Especially if the new casino already has several unresolved cases, it will add to our suspicions about the potential for the casino to turn into a fraudulent casino in the future. I also don't try new casinos very often unless many members have tried and found no problems, so I hope not to encounter any problems. But these casinos can become scam casinos and no one will find out about it so we have to be careful.

When trying a new service regardless of their nature we need to always be on the cautious side, this way in the case our due diligence was deficient and we picked a casino which eventually scammed us our losses will be on the low side, now make no mistake, I would still be mad about it for being dumb enough to pick a scam casino if that happened to me, but at least the damage to your gambling account will be minimal and you would still be able to gamble at other reputable casinos as if nothing had happened.

[Hispo]

If the casino rejects your KYC documents even though they are completely legit, it implies that they are indeed scamming you using their TOS as a shield. They provide various excuses to justify themselves.

However, if there is some sort of issue(Including minor ones) with your KYC documents, you are 100% at fault and the casino is right to reject your documents frankly speaking.

This is why you should make sure that there are no issues before submitting them op.

Agree with this.

There's no reason for a legit casino to consecutively reject your KYC verification if you really did submit all the documents needed. If you complied to all of the required documents such as picture of identification card, giving your personal information, bank statements, and the likes that are frequently asked in KYC, then it's on their end that has a problem, not you. If you provided a clear picture or copies of these, they should grant your KYC, unless they aren't legitimate casino to begin with who doesn't have enough funding to let you make a withdrawal.

But if your documents are incomplete and/or also blurry, then it's on you. Double check the things you submitted first to see whether the problem is you or them. If you know to yourself that it's on them, then make a complaint and post in scam & accusations board to gather opinions, to escalate the concern, and to give a warning to those people who want to try their website.

To be honest with you, that thing about documents or a picture being blur or not clear enough could be also used as a shady casino as an excuse, so they can continue to held the money of their gamblers. That is one of the reasons KYC will evolve in the future as telephones with NFC technology continue to be more accessible. Instead of taking pictures of a document, the industry may move so gamblers would need to scan the chip in their IDs and passports and also use the fingerprint scanners on their phone (so they can tell it matches with the biometric data on the chip).

In our eyes, it could be more intrusive but centainly it may make things more accurate and fast for KYC casinos.

[Wiwo]

That sounds like a frustrating situation. It's understandable to feel concerned if a casino asks for Know Your Customer (KYC) verification after winning an amount above the usual threshold.

Exactly and most importantly if the KYC threshold is covered in the T&C of the casino and this can be of importance for the gambler to take note of that requirement and be willing to pass through the KYC process if the player has gone through the KYC process but the casino denied the player his withdrawal still it then clear that that is a case of clear scam attempt and should be reported at will.

Many and most of the accusations that have spring up in recent time here have been majorly about kyc and what it demand and process have been, and it looks as if some scam casinos are using the kyc process to steal from players by not allowing them to withdraw even though they pass the kyc process.

[khaled0111]

If the casino rejects your KYC documents even though they are completely legit, it implies that they are indeed scamming you using their TOS as a shield. They provide various excuses to justify themselves.
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Verification documents might be rejected for various reasons and I have experienced this myself on different platforms. However, when the casino, or any other service, rejects the submitted documents they need to provide the exact reason why your OSS weren't accepted and tell you what to do to avoid making the same mistake when you resubmit them.
It's not neccesarly a sign of scam but if the don't give an explanation and give you another chance to verify your identity then this is definitively a red flag.

[tusandii]

Many and most of the accusations that have spring up in recent time here have been majorly about kyc and what it demand and process have been, and it looks as if some scam casinos are using the kyc process to steal from players by not allowing them to withdraw even though they pass the kyc process.

But cases of fraud of this kind are only carried out by casinos which are still relatively small or do not yet have popularity.
Those casinos that are already big and trusted cannot possibly use KYC just to cheat and let alone cheat to make customers feel disappointed, it seems impossible.
It is very important to be careful in choosing a casino, one of which is by looking at the reputation and number of betting turnovers in the casino.
There are many casinos that start out well at first but when a player gets a big win that drains their bankroll they don't pay for it and prefer to ruin their reputation by committing fraud.

[maydna]

It is true that one can try out a new casino just to see how their service compares to other casinos. And that is a common thing gamblers do. But we don't know much that these new casinos can turn out to be scam casinos or casinos unsuitable for gambling. Especially if the new casino already has several unresolved cases, it will add to our suspicions about the potential for the casino to turn into a fraudulent casino in the future. I also don't try new casinos very often unless many members have tried and found no problems, so I hope not to encounter any problems. But these casinos can become scam casinos and no one will find out about it so we have to be careful.

When trying a new service regardless of their nature we need to always be on the cautious side, this way in the case our due diligence was deficient and we picked a casino which eventually scammed us our losses will be on the low side, now make no mistake, I would still be mad about it for being dumb enough to pick a scam casino if that happened to me, but at least the damage to your gambling account will be minimal and you would still be able to gamble at other reputable casinos as if nothing had happened.

We can avoid choosing the wrong casino by selecting the casinos on this forum. That way, we will not be exposed to fraud cases by scam casinos and can play gambling comfortably. With so many new casinos out there, it doesn't guarantee we will find a good casino because we don't know the people who leave those reviews. But if we read the reviews on this forum, we will know that the reviews from members here are honest. And it can prevent choosing the wrong casino.

[kingvirtus09]

Actually trying a new casino on this forum is not a big risk as long as you don't provide any KYC data and try a new casino using a small amount.
So we can find out for ourselves how the casino is running without having to wait for other people's experiences.
I myself am also too lazy to try the new casinos on this forum, whereas here there are many big casinos that can
  become a safer place to gamble.[/left]

The most valuable advise is to only try a new casino with smaller amount to see. How their platform works before risking a higher amount in deposit, let say if the casino has an ANN thread here in the forum it could serve as additional security for players since they could contact the team directly or better still read the reviews of other members of the forum to learn more about the casino and how to. Solve some of the little issues that may arise from the activities of the player in the casino.

What you suggest for me is a safe and good advice for newbie gamblers who will enter or enter the gambling industry here in the crypto space.
So that they will not be surprised by what they will try to gamble here. At least they can minimize how much they lose in their gambling somehow. In short I like your advise on this matter anyway.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

That sounds like a frustrating situation. It's understandable to feel concerned if a casino asks for Know Your Customer (KYC) verification after winning an amount above the usual threshold.

For those who are already familiar with how most casinos operate, it is not a frustrating situation at all, it's just the norm.
Online casinos most of the time do not ask user to verify their account upon registration, but the do state in their terms of service that they could ask a user to submit his or her kyc documents at anytime.
And from several experiences, it has become a norm that best time casinos ask users to submit their kyc documents, is after winning a huge amount of money and possibly want to withdraw, anyone that have been gambling before should already know about this and don't find the situation frustrating when it occurs.

[klidex]

Actually trying a new casino on this forum is not a big risk as long as you don't provide any KYC data and try a new casino using a small amount.
So we can find out for ourselves how the casino is running without having to wait for other people's experiences.
I myself am also too lazy to try the new casinos on this forum, whereas here there are many big casinos that can
  become a safer place to gamble.[/left]

The most valuable advise is to only try a new casino with smaller amount to see. How their platform works before risking a higher amount in deposit, let say if the casino has an ANN thread here in the forum it could serve as additional security for players since they could contact the team directly or better still read the reviews of other members of the forum to learn more about the casino and how to. Solve some of the little issues that may arise from the activities of the player in the casino.

That's a good suggestion, but the question what if that casino doesn't have an ANN thread here?
Actually, if you just want to try a new casino, we don't need security from ANN, whereas outside the forum, lots of crypto casinos have sprung up and if you really want to try the new casino, you can use your suggestion using a small amount.
But for me, trying a new casino is a waste of time, it's better to gamble at an old casino that has long-proven security.

[jeraldskie11]

That sounds like a frustrating situation. It's understandable to feel concerned if a casino asks for Know Your Customer (KYC) verification after winning an amount above the usual threshold.

It's not far from the truth that such things happen. So, before you enter a casino, check to see whether there are any negative reviews about that site. If you've ever made an account, make sure that if you withdraw, there's nothing wrong with your account so that the transaction goes smoothly. Aside from that, there are people who are just suspecting you, that's why you have to supply the documents for them to validate, just provide what they ask and don't protest if you see them trying to swindle you so that your situation will be resolved as soon as possible.