Enough to consider a casino scam?

[coinerer]

Gamblers like us help scam casino sites.  Because when we carelessly start depositing without reading the rules of a casino site and lose those funds, we get excited and start calling the casino site a scam. So totally our fault and we are responsible for it.  So before making a deposit at any casino site one should research the site thoroughly.  Of course one should always focus on trusted casinos. and if one fails to recharge any casino site well then he shouldn’t definitely focus on the new site.

some gamblers come to a new site and try out a new casino just to see how the platform works. or to try to get a bonus that a new casino gives. I also do that sometimes, although I have a casino that I trust more. just in case I just used a small amount of money to try and get some experience in a new place.
but I have proven to myself that when you are comfortable playing at a trusted casino, it is difficult to move to another place. Of course, the assessment of each gambler will always be different.

There is nothing wrong with visiting a new casino site and testing the site or enjoying the bonus facilities.  But since it is a new site, you must check if there are any scam reports about that site before depositing there.  And in new condition large amount cannot be deposited there. In that case, even if that site is a scam, there is no major loss to be faced. we must keep this in mind. I think this is good strategy

[decodx]

Gamblers like us help scam casino sites.  Because when we carelessly start depositing without reading the rules of a casino site and lose those funds, we get excited and start calling the casino site a scam. So totally our fault and we are responsible for it. 

I'm not certain about this. Even if we carefully read the terms and conditions, it may not make much of a difference if the casino is indeed a scam, as you suggest. After all, a scam casino's main objective is to deceive players, and they will do so even if their rules say otherwise. The 1xbit scam is a prime example of such a fraudulent casino that frequently scams its players. Unfortunately, even if we follow the rules, they may still accuse us of breaking them without providing any proof.

So before making a deposit at any casino site one should research the site thoroughly.  Of course one should always focus on trusted casinos. and if one fails to recharge any casino site well then he shouldn’t definitely focus on the new site.

Yes, it's always a good idea to research a casino site thoroughly. This includes looking at reviews from other players, not just reading their terms of use and rules.

[EarnOnVictor]

Gamblers like us help scam casino sites.  Because when we carelessly start depositing without reading the rules of a casino site and lose those funds, we get excited and start calling the casino site a scam. So totally our fault and we are responsible for it.  So before making a deposit at any casino site one should research the site thoroughly.  Of course one should always focus on trusted casinos. and if one fails to recharge any casino site well then he shouldn’t definitely focus on the new site.

some gamblers come to a new site and try out a new casino just to see how the platform works. or to try to get a bonus that a new casino gives. I also do that sometimes, although I have a casino that I trust more. just in case I just used a small amount of money to try and get some experience in a new place.
but I have proven to myself that when you are comfortable playing at a trusted casino, it is difficult to move to another place. Of course, the assessment of each gambler will always be different.

There is nothing wrong with visiting a new casino site and testing the site or enjoying the bonus facilities.  But since it is a new site, you must check if there are any scam reports about that site before depositing there.  And in new condition large amount cannot be deposited there. In that case, even if that site is a scam, there is no major loss to be faced. we must keep this in mind. I think this is good strategy

The risk of using a new casino is becoming increasingly high daily, as there will still be genuine ones among them, it's clear that one should be so careful these days. I've read a lot on the internet of late, and my conclusion is that most of them are not just there to offer any service, they are just there to scam people and they would have machinated their plans before bringing it on board.

This is not to totally dissuade people from patronising the new ones, but the risk is higher than the well-established ones. To even see many resourceful updates about them online as you have suggested is even hard because they have just started. You would only be seen paid review sites that might only say positive about them because they have been paid.

[QueenVera]

I am trying to solve such an issue for someone very close to me and that the complaint he gave, I have no answer than maybe the bonus was canceled already before he made the deposit or there was a minimum deposit requirement.

Any other reasons?

I think you already answered  your question  because the two suggestions you gave are the basic reasons the bonuses might not be given to him and on the other hand, I think he should also try checking  if the bonus was given to only a specific  set of persons and your friend should also do well to read the bonus terms properly  and if he thinks he truly qualified  for the bonus, then there isn't any harm in writing to the casino and I'm sure he might further get the right assistance  for this worries.

I will conside this acts as scam if the casino  fails to give me a respond to why all or any of this things were done because I believe that there might be errors at some points and a simple  chat with the customer care might get to resolve this.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I am trying to solve such an issue for someone very close to me and that the complaint he gave, I have no answer than maybe the bonus was canceled already before he made the deposit or there was a minimum deposit requirement.

Any other reasons?

I think you already answered  your question  because the two suggestions you gave are the basic reasons the bonuses might not be given to him and on the other hand, I think he should also try checking  if the bonus was given to only a specific  set of persons and your friend should also do well to read the bonus terms properly  and if he thinks he truly qualified  for the bonus, then there isn't any harm in writing to the casino and I'm sure he might further get the right assistance  for this worries.

I will conside this acts as scam if the casino  fails to give me a respond to why all or any of this things were done because I believe that there might be errors at some points and a simple  chat with the customer care might get to resolve this.

Well, I don't think the two suggestions are the only reasons as to why his friend might not have enjoyed the bonus every one else enjoyed, another reason  could be that his friend didn't sign on the casino with the bonus link..
Yes, some casinos do prepare special links for some bonuses which any user who want to get that bonus must sign up on the casino using that particular link, this is something I've experienced myself before, where I signed up on a casino that promised 150% bonus on first deposit, after depositing, I didn't get the bonus, I then contacted customer care, and I was told that I didn't sign up through the bonus link.

[Casdinyard]

If that would be the case, I think a reappeal is necessary. KYC is so important nowadays that it's just a big blunder to not include it if you are a hopeful casino owner or a bookie. I would consider it a scam however if the KYC is:

• Convoluting and is designed to confuse users
• Consistently declining my appeals for review of my personal details despite providing them with different identifiables
• Lack of communication from the Casino's part that doesn't include the occasional robo-emails
• Is not allowing you to withdraw even if you have successfully processed your KYC

If the casino you are playing in falls into these categories, you might as well take your business somewhere else. Those are textbook signs of a scam site and sometimes, cutting losses is better than fighting a losing battle against a Casino indignant with screwing you up.

[Betwrong]

I am trying to solve such an issue for someone very close to me and that the complaint he gave, I have no answer than maybe the bonus was canceled already before he made the deposit or there was a minimum deposit requirement.

Any other reasons?

I think you already answered  your question  because the two suggestions you gave are the basic reasons the bonuses might not be given to him and on the other hand, I think he should also try checking  if the bonus was given to only a specific  set of persons and your friend should also do well to read the bonus terms properly  and if he thinks he truly qualified  for the bonus, then there isn't any harm in writing to the casino and I'm sure he might further get the right assistance  for this worries.

I will conside this acts as scam if the casino  fails to give me a respond to why all or any of this things were done because I believe that there might be errors at some points and a simple  chat with the customer care might get to resolve this.

That is true. You should try to contact Support first of all and tell them what happened in details. I was helped by Support many times on different sites when my situation, if I were to describe it without contacting anyone, looked like the site was scamming me. Sometimes it's not even an error on their side, but just a delay. And they speed the thing up for you if you contact them.

[jostorres]

In my opinion, there are many reasons why a real person who submits perfectly accurate documents for KYC verification will be denied the successful completion of this identity verification.  These may be fuzzy or blurry photos submitted as part of this process.  You can also refuse on the basis of the lack of registration at the place of residence, even if everything is in order with this.  But the migration services allegedly did not enter the necessary data into the relevant population databases.  And so on.  Of course, all this is done only when you want to receive the money won at the casino into your account. 

I once in my life could not pass KYC at all for this reason - I was simply informed with enviable constancy that they could not reliably confirm my identity without explanation at all.  And the support generally stopped responding to my requests, and then to my indignation. True, it was a long time ago. 
But I think the practice of not accepting KYC continues. 
After all, this is the preservation of money on the casino accounts due to the actual "freezing" of the accounts of individual customers.  A small, but still savings for the pool of casino funds. 
So if you are going to withdraw money from a deposit to your account, you must always be potentially ready for trouble.

I've worked in customer support and I can say that one of the main reasons why people get denial for their KYC verification is because they either don't write the correct personal information that matches with the document or their documents are not clear or the pictures aren't taken well which makes them almost unreadable or verifiable.

And when told, they wouldn't believe or listen to it but they start calling the project or a the platform a scam as soon as they get a rejection simply because they might have invested some money in it that they don't want to lose.

[Weawant]

Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

I am trying to solve such an issue for someone very close to me and that the complaint he gave, I have no answer than maybe the bonus was canceled already before he made the deposit or there was a minimum deposit requirement.

If the bonus was cancelled then he shouldn't have seen it when he registered on the casino sites. Many casinos are very dishonest. I think the casino is a scam if all this things happened on the same casinos. These are all signs that the casino isn't not genuine.

What does he want before believe it's a scam casino he wants to wait for  the casino to close or is he waiting until they refuse to let him have access to his money on the casino before he can confirm the casino to be a scam. We have many casino, try another one

Casinos requesting for KYC isn't a symptoms of scam casino but those cancelling a promotion they use to get customers, in the middle of the campaign is very dishonest and they can just closed without warning their customers.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

I am trying to solve such an issue for someone very close to me and that the complaint he gave, I have no answer than maybe the bonus was canceled already before he made the deposit or there was a minimum deposit requirement.

If the bonus was cancelled then he shouldn't have seen it when he registered on the casino sites. Many casinos are very dishonest. I think the casino is a scam if all this things happened on the same casinos. These are all signs that the casino isn't not genuine.

What does he want before believe it's a scam casino he wants to wait for  the casino to close or is he waiting until they refuse to let him have access to his money on the casino before he can confirm the casino to be a scam. We have many casino, try another one

Casinos requesting for KYC isn't a symptoms of scam casino but those cancelling a promotion they use to get customers, in the middle of the campaign is very dishonest and they can just closed without warning their customers.

You are very correct, the casino could possibly be a scam, that is a dishonest casino is equal to a scam casino, but then, before concluding, he should contact the casino customer care to find out what really happened.

Like I said in my previous comment on this topic, it could be that the bonus had a special link which any user wanting to claim the bonus must use that link to register..

This has happened to me before , where I saw a casino advertise a sign up bonus on this forum, then I visited their Twitter to verify their legitimacy, after that, I decide to just use the home page link on their Twitter bio to sign up, behold, I did not get the sign up bonus, when I contact their admin on this forum about it, it was discovered the sign up bonus had a special link for it, I had to sign up again with the bonus link to get the bonus.

[humanvelocity]

That’s why its very important to know about the casino before investing any money into it but if it’s actually a well reputed casino and they have declined your kyc verification I highly doubt it’s a scam considering the amount was 8000$. I say this keeping in mind that crypto currencies make insane amounts of money and they wouldn’t ruin their reputation over a small amount as 8000$.

[Oilacris]

Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

I am trying to solve such an issue for someone very close to me and that the complaint he gave, I have no answer than maybe the bonus was canceled already before he made the deposit or there was a minimum deposit requirement.

If the bonus was cancelled then he shouldn't have seen it when he registered on the casino sites. Many casinos are very dishonest. I think the casino is a scam if all this things happened on the same casinos. These are all signs that the casino isn't not genuine.

What does he want before believe it's a scam casino he wants to wait for  the casino to close or is he waiting until they refuse to let him have access to his money on the casino before he can confirm the casino to be a scam. We have many casino, try another one

Casinos requesting for KYC isn't a symptoms of scam casino but those cancelling a promotion they use to get customers, in the middle of the campaign is very dishonest and they can just closed without warning their customers.

You are very correct, the casino could possibly be a scam, that is a dishonest casino is equal to a scam casino, but then, before concluding, he should contact the casino customer care to find out what really happened.

Like I said in my previous comment on this topic, it could be that the bonus had a special link which any user wanting to claim the bonus must use that link to register..

This has happened to me before , where I saw a casino advertise a sign up bonus on this forum, then I visited their Twitter to verify their legitimacy, after that, I decide to just use the home page link on their Twitter bio to sign up, behold, I did not get the sign up bonus, when I contact their admin on this forum about it, it was discovered the sign up bonus had a special link for it, I had to sign up again with the bonus link to get the bonus.

Usually they would really be giving out dedicated links for promotions or sign up but due to some doubt and security minding, we do always have that kind of behavior on not to sign up under those links but rather would be going for the main ones. If the time comes that you arent that eligible for the bonus just because you had just missed out on registering under those then it is really just that a common scenario.Good thing that they would really be making out some clarifications in regarding the situation.

Dishonest casinos are really that considered to be scam ones, unless if there would be some acceptance of errors or something that correlates on this then it would really be still that reconsidered
but of course once doubts and trust issues would be raised up then you cant blame out people around on not to have those second thoughts on the time that they would be hearing
out your site or companies name.

[LUCKMCFLY]

As op had stated submitted his KYC document and still the casino had not confirm it. He will need to wait for for more time for it to be confirmed than thinking that the casino is a scam. That is it the we can tell whether a casino is a scam or not. At least waiting for some time will be okay than thinking that they have taken all your money.

Well yes, that is very easy to say, but it is another thing to be inside with the problem, if OP needs to get the money quickly, he needs his case to be Attended to as Urgently as possible, otherwise something has to be done Urgent to be able to attend to you, I have been in those situations and the worst thing they can tell you is to wait and be patient, that kind of makes the person get Annoyed and get angry at the casino, and sometimes the Support agents are the ones who They are to blame for that,that's why the support in a casino the more humans than AI there are to serve, the better.

the KYC process shouldn't take long unless the casino is big and there are lots of user requests completing KYC, but it would be a question if a small casino processing KYC takes up to weeks it's confirmed it's fraud because small casinos don't have many active gamblers so there aren't many KYC requests, so obviously it's very weird if they process it slow better leave it or raise the case on this forum if they are active on forums have ANN threads.

I prefer to avoid new and small casinos because I know it's not a safe place to gamble unless it's just for fun, so don't go near the slow response from their service support because the potential for fraud can be seen in the way they serve customers.

Well, the kyc can wait, it may not be such a problem,but in a case where they withhold the withdrawal it is something that bothers you, because what is the only thing you look for in a casino? Yes, play, have fun, but if you win,the most logical thing for the person is to withdraw their winnings, because at least I like to see and feel what I win, whether it's buying what I like,going traveling,spending it on me family, whatever, but to feel what I won, then if you get the illusion and win because you were lucky, and they deny you that you can't do Anything,but wait and wait and have that trick is what is not Acceptable.

[Betwrong]

That’s why its very important to know about the casino before investing any money into it but if it’s actually a well reputed casino and they have declined your kyc verification I highly doubt it’s a scam considering the amount was 8000$. I say this keeping in mind that crypto currencies make insane amounts of money and they wouldn’t ruin their reputation over a small amount as 8000$.

Right, also it's important to understand that the casino itself can't affect KYC results and their acceptance. They are just following the rules in their jurisdiction. If they must, by the rules, make a customer to go through the KYC process if he/she wants to withdraw over $5,000, they do it then. There's nothing they can do about it without risking to lose their license.

Should they warn about it in their ToS? Absolutely. It's their fault they didn't. But they are not that evil as one might think. They are not declining KYC verification on purpose.

[danadc]

That’s why its very important to know about the casino before investing any money into it but if it’s actually a well reputed casino and they have declined your kyc verification I highly doubt it’s a scam considering the amount was 8000$. I say this keeping in mind that crypto currencies make insane amounts of money and they wouldn’t ruin their reputation over a small amount as 8000$.

Right, also it's important to understand that the casino itself can't affect KYC results and their acceptance. They are just following the rules in their jurisdiction. If they must, by the rules, make a customer to go through the KYC process if he/she wants to withdraw over $5,000, they do it then. There's nothing they can do about it without risking to lose their license.

Should they warn about it in their ToS? Absolutely. It's their fault they didn't. But they are not that evil as one might think. They are not declining KYC verification on purpose.

A casino is not going to get pissed off for that amount of dollars, now if you are talking about $5k it is possible that they should be very careful because when things go above that $1000 it is a different thing, but it is not the idea that they can take it either as something bad, because a casino has its KYC requirement, these are its rules, and it is the player's responsibility whether or not they read their KYC policy, and if they didn't read it, I think they learned that everything has to be read, Due to mistakes that are so stupid, you can lose a lot of money and that is very painful and pitiful because a detail like that cannot be overlooked, winning in a casino is not easy, and if you win and you cannot get the money it's sadder still.

[STT]

There was a casino scam done with lasers vs a roulette wheel.  It measured bias on which numbers best to bet on every turn, somehow they created a system that would put players into profit.  The players won so much the casino came over and recognized lasers were being used.    The players won millions so it actually went into a court case, the Judge decided no specific rule existed to say players may not use lasers on casino premises so he gave a court order for the winnings to be released to players despite their extra scientific help.
  Maybe the judge thought it was good for science or academic endeavors, anyhow the casino lost but will have altered their rules and preconditions for play to include such genius inventions as gamesmanship outside of what they will ever allow as a win.

[Mr.right85]

That’s why its very important to know about the casino before investing any money into it but if it’s actually a well reputed casino and they have declined your kyc verification I highly doubt it’s a scam considering the amount was 8000$. I say this keeping in mind that crypto currencies make insane amounts of money and they wouldn’t ruin their reputation over a small amount as 8000$.

I don't consider $8000 a negligible amount of money. Apparently, any amount of money that is able to invoke the casino or sportsbook T&C as per either kyc or any other means to soke verification brought up, its a good enough amount. It might not look big, but with it being considered, it is just enough.

Right, also it's important to understand that the casino itself can't affect KYC results and their acceptance. They are just following the rules in their jurisdiction. If they must, by the rules, make a customer to go through the KYC process if he/she wants to withdraw over $5,000, they do it then. There's nothing they can do about it without risking to lose their license.

Should they warn about it in their ToS? Absolutely. It's their fault they didn't. But they are not that evil as one might think. They are not declining KYC verification on purpose.

You saying, they can't affect kyc results and acceptance, is that supposed to mean the authorisation/clarification of a kyc document isn't done by the casino or sportsbook? Because, that would mean a lot for customers as, any means to some bias would be cut off and ensure more trust in the system.
Still, users needs to be familiar with critical parts of T&C of there gambling site and adhere to them as well.

[LUCKMCFLY]

What will you do if you don't know that a online casino will ask you for KYC after winning over 8,000$ on the platform? And you now manage to process with the verification and they failed to pass you? Can you consider such a casino a scam?

Yes, I will definitely consider such casino as scam because that's exactly what scammers does by refusing to pay a gambler their proposed winning, which is why it's always advisable for gamblers to make research before using any new or old casino, so as to prevent ever having your funds confiscated by any scam casino.

Also, imagine you get attracted to an online casino because of the bonuses they offer and you open an account and make your first deposit then you didn't receive the promised bonus, is this an act of scam or not?

Yes, definitely that's an act of scam, but if you did followed the rules laid down for activating such bonuses and yet never got a single bonus, as such could be disappointing, and if I'm the one, I will never use such casino anymore.

Scam nowadays are really that really good on hiding up themselves specially when they do really have plans on scamming out huge into those people who are really that tending to make it look realistic or something
but eventually we could really be having to use that our own common sense on which we could really be able to spot out which is really that shady or having those red flags then you would really be
able to notice it out but if you are really that someone who doesnt really care at all and just proceed without any caution then you are really that susceptible when it comes to risk because
we know that casinos could neither be that legit or not. You wouldnt really be that dumb enough on not to notice things out. You should really be wary on whats happening around.
If you do want to save up yourself on the hassle on making some research then you should just simply stick into those traditional ones.

Thus, a clear Example of this was in 2021 when I was the rise of the NFT games, where I thought it would be something that they were Going well, in a good way, I lost money in those games, in the only game that I did not lose Nothing was in Axie, but it is no longer the pamper, so things move that way, the least expected to cheat it, I have been seeing how many Projects that come out of new casinos, where they Enforce all licenses , Kyc and everything, the players end up chewing,so Nothing is sure,the safe for me are the casinos that have enough Reputation in the forum.

[Doan9269]

That’s why its very important to know about the casino before investing any money into it but if it’s actually a well reputed casino and they have declined your kyc verification I highly doubt it’s a scam considering the amount was 8000$. I say this keeping in mind that crypto currencies make insane amounts of money and they wouldn’t ruin their reputation over a small amount as 8000$.

We can't predict them enough but all we should do is our own bedt in ensuring that we have dealt with every single opportunities that may try to pull us into their trap, scam in gambling today is not a joke because they ensure that they come up with that thing they think entices you about gambling to get you captivated, that's why we must also not be too greedy or desperate in making online money from gambling.

[BobK71]

Gamblers like us help scam casino sites.  Because when we carelessly start depositing without reading the rules of a casino site and lose those funds, we get excited and start calling the casino site a scam. So totally our fault and we are responsible for it.  So before making a deposit at any casino site one should research the site thoroughly.  Of course one should always focus on trusted casinos. and if one fails to recharge any casino site well then he shouldn’t definitely focus on the new site.

some gamblers come to a new site and try out a new casino just to see how the platform works. or to try to get a bonus that a new casino gives. I also do that sometimes, although I have a casino that I trust more. just in case I just used a small amount of money to try and get some experience in a new place.
but I have proven to myself that when you are comfortable playing at a trusted casino, it is difficult to move to another place. Of course, the assessment of each gambler will always be different.

There is nothing wrong with visiting a new casino site and testing the site or enjoying the bonus facilities.  But since it is a new site, you must check if there are any scam reports about that site before depositing there.  And in new condition large amount cannot be deposited there. In that case, even if that site is a scam, there is no major loss to be faced. we must keep this in mind. I think this is good strategy

Casino Scam is common with new sites. That is why whenever a site share the bonus or any other offer, everyone should gain good knowledge about that site before restoration or opposite. Until good information about that site is available, there should not be deposit. Moreover, I agree with you in any such case, one should definitely deposit a small amount of deposit first time, if that site get scammed you will loss all the assets so the maximum caution should be taken in this case.