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April 10, 2023, 01:23:56 PM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
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The authorities know very well that they should stick to those old methods that go back thousands of years and which enable them to keep people under control - panem et circenses or as they would say today "bread and circuses". In other words, people must not be hungry, and on the other hand, they should be allowed to play with their money, even if it means that some of them will become addicted to it to the extent that it will become a real problem.

After all, such a certificate would be almost meaningless, because not only would it be easy to forge it, but it would also be extremely complicated to verify every player. As for every casino and any other game of chance, it is enough to warn players to play responsibly, and that playing can be addictive. Everything else is a matter of personal choice.

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April 10, 2023, 01:26:21 PM
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I wonder what would be the guidelines for having the certificate? What's the procedure?

If that requires looking for the financial aspects of the user, I doubt that is breaching the gambler's privacy. KYC is now slowly accepting even though others don't want it but looking for much deeper information like salary and financial capability, that is not a good thing already.

Government and casinos will just keep the usual way of reminding people to be responsible in gambling.
If they will start digging in with our private finances so they will know if we’re responsible or not, I guess that is already being disrespectful to our individual’s privacy and rights. And definitely, people will not allow that to happen. They will just chose not to gamble at all than to give up their privacy to any third party. However, I don’t think this is near to reality. Casinos will never love the idea for sure as it will only limit their players and most importantly their profits.

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April 10, 2023, 01:53:25 PM
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My opinion is that it is practically impossible to happen in free countries.
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I will dare to say that it's even theoretically impossible for this to happen, in free countries or not. A certificate about gambling responsibility sounds ridiculous in my opinion, doesn't matter from which side we are looking at it.

What Germans did not so long time ago (I can't remember exactly when) is probably what we can expect to see in some other countries:

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These are the restrictions applicable to players while gambling in Germany: €1,000 monthly deposit limit. €1 stake limit on online casino slots. No Live Casino Games or progressive Jackpot-Slots are permitted.

Would be nice to see how this work in reality, maybe some people from Germany will share their experience with us...

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April 10, 2023, 02:00:02 PM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.
Any country that will enact this certificate policy will lose a lot of revenue and investment opportunities. Gambling firms will avoid the country because they will not have many customers.

This certificate will require KYC and many people are always scared by these policies.

Getting a certificate might also attract some costs that would be paid by gamblers. People might have to undergo some expensive tests to check if they are addicts or not.

It can also be time-consuming and cumbersome to acquire.

This policy can also give rise to an increase in illegal and unregistered gambling because people that want to invade these restrictions will patronize more risky gambling firms.

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April 10, 2023, 02:13:57 PM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.
Hmmm it's nearly impossible mate, take for an example most of the gambling site now are implementing KYC but most of the players doesn't want it how much more if they will force to provide that certificate, it will be against the purpose of crypto if it will be needed to upload or attached it. The purpose of the idea is good but it is hard to implement and many people will disagree.
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April 10, 2023, 02:14:10 PM
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[....]The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.
An agency would be tasked to grant a person a certificate to gamble because they don't want that same person to lose too much money from betting? This sounds counterintuitive don't you think? They can just stop issuing those papers if they are really concern about people's well-being but that would also mean potentially losing source of Government funds.

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April 10, 2023, 03:11:36 PM
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To get a certificate to prove if you're a responsible gambler, obviously there's should a test to gamble. Do you think an addict can't learn and act like a responsible gambler? when many people already know the loophole, it's useless to get a certificate.

You can't stop an addict to gamble, let alone an addict want to gamble even though it will ruin his life and probably his family too. There's always a way an addict to keep gamble even though you've try to limit or restrict his activity.

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April 10, 2023, 03:36:47 PM
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What about the state / government that prohibits the gambling industry, but gambling sites can still be accessed and played by gambling addicts.
Are they going to issue the certificate……! Maybe not, meaning they are supporting the gambling industry all the same.

I think this reason, it shouldn't be, is hinted at for gambling addicts to have a certificate.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

My understanding is that whatever the government is doing for its citizens to prevent/reduce things like you said, certificates are not a reason or an obstacle for addicts to stop their gambling activities.
We have and read of countries that prohibit gambling for their citizens, with super strict laws and rules, including gambling websites, but still, those who are addicted hide and carry out their gambling activities, meaning: a certificate is not a guarantee for bettors to lose their wealth and engage in gambling activities.

Of course, it's okay for online casinos to ask for certificates from visitors who want to bet in their gambling, but certificates are not the reason to solve all problems for gambling addicts, rehabilitation is the final solution.

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April 10, 2023, 03:40:57 PM
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If that were the case, maybe I would stop gambling at that casino and look for more casinos that didn't require users to upload a responsible gambler's certificate. Not all countries will issue a responsible gambler certificate. They may wonder what the certificate is for and they may investigate your bank account to find out or trace the use of your money from your bank account.

It's good and makes sense but it can't be applied to all users because of limitations within the government itself. But whatever it is, it looks like the government will work on it so they can monitor its citizens who often play gambling.

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April 10, 2023, 03:46:09 PM
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There's nothing beyond possibility in gambling, if today we can have an online crypto casino then tomorrow there might be something new to come up whereby gamblers will be required a certification but on a real sense this may also nit be possible for now since most of the gamblers now want a zero tolerance to kyc casinos, so requesting for certification in gambling may also be a frustration in some cases.

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April 10, 2023, 04:18:50 PM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

I do not see this as a good idea. If anything its just adding on to the trade of security for freedom. I do not want to live in China, therefore I would rather take the risks but at least not be controlled like an animal.

From the perspective of the government, their main objective is to gain as much money from casino taxes as they can. As far as the gamblers go, they really do not care about who is healthy and who's life has been ruined. Government is like a giant business. And giant businesses do not care about their workers.

If the gamblers want to remain healthy and wealthy, they need to make sure to impose upon the government themselves, or better yet, they need to protect themselves individually.

Your idea might be good if it was changed a bit: there should be KYC licenses issued by the government so that we do not have to hand over our personal documents to each and every casino.


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April 10, 2023, 06:52:16 PM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
Being a responsible gambler won't manifest by just signing a deal or agreement or by just showing a certificate. These can be faked and it's not the responsibility of the casino to do that. And for every gambler, each their own must be responsible of their own actions.

The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.
Some government won't think of this because they benefit from the taxes that they collect from the casinos and some even are relying into this business as their main source of country's income.

They may set some boundaries and reminders but, they cannot hold the minds of every gambler and they'll just obliged to such policies just for them to keep gambling even if they're irresponsible gamblers.

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April 10, 2023, 06:59:18 PM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
Being a responsible gambler won't manifest by just signing a deal or agreement or by just showing a certificate. These can be faked and it's not the responsibility of the casino to do that. And for every gambler, each their own must be responsible of their own actions.

The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.
Some government won't think of this because they benefit from the taxes that they collect from the casinos and some even are relying into this business as their main source of country's income.

They may set some boundaries and reminders but, they cannot hold the minds of every gambler and they'll just obliged to such policies just for them to keep gambling even if they're irresponsible gamblers.

in addition, if the casino or bookie starts requiring this doc from their players - it means they are licensed also as definitely, you need to put your real name on the doc unless they will accept your username that you can sign off. and that's not gonna happen.
this requirement is a possibility for a licensed gambling site. but doubt if a non-licensed casino will ask for this. but so far, i am not seeing this requirement to be implemented in the next years to come. being a responsible gambler is also very subjective. so this is also hard to assess for the casino. they won't do such task. the task is on the gambler himself, how he will look after for himself.

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April 10, 2023, 07:05:57 PM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.
Hmmm it's nearly impossible mate, take for an example most of the gambling site now are implementing KYC but most of the players doesn't want it how much more if they will force to provide that certificate, it will be against the purpose of crypto if it will be needed to upload or attached it. The purpose of the idea is good but it is hard to implement and many people will disagree.
And to get certified, there has to be a test to be a responsible gambler, which I think will discourage gamblers who have a wide variety of games, and I'm sure many gamblers disagree. Likewise with casinos, because it will reduce their income.
and besides, in this day and age anything can be forged, including the creation of any certificate. Gambling has been around for a long time and to get rid of it or in any way will not be effective.
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Well, actually, a certificate from a psychiatrist won't hurt.)  Roll Eyes

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April 10, 2023, 07:56:33 PM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.
Hmmm it's nearly impossible mate, take for an example most of the gambling site now are implementing KYC but most of the players doesn't want it how much more if they will force to provide that certificate, it will be against the purpose of crypto if it will be needed to upload or attached it. The purpose of the idea is good but it is hard to implement and many people will disagree.
And to get certified, there has to be a test to be a responsible gambler, which I think will discourage gamblers who have a wide variety of games, and I'm sure many gamblers disagree. Likewise with casinos, because it will reduce their income.
and besides, in this day and age anything can be forged, including the creation of any certificate. Gambling has been around for a long time and to get rid of it or in any way will not be effective.
Being responsible isnt something that you could guarantee even if you do able to get that certificate.Just like on what others been saying on which you cant guarantee that you wouldnt really be that getting

addicted on the time that you do play.This is why there's no way that we could be able to stop on someone to lose because its an inevitable thing.This is why the most important thing or characteristic for a
player or a gambler to have is to accept those losses and never ever make yourself that spend on what you can afford to lose. Dont go beyond borders or limits because this is where
usually people do fall because they do become that desperated.

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April 10, 2023, 08:11:29 PM
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this question of addiction to gambling is something that in many countries the governments take very seriously, there are countries where the government restricts the maximum amount that people can use from their credit cards in casinos, so it would not surprise me that someone years let's see people addicted with cards that show that they have problems with addiction and have to show it at the casino so that the casino guys don't let you play with a lot of money and also don't allow you to play for many hours, I would not criticize this attitude of the government because in my opinion, addiction is something very serious and serious, people might even think that addiction is something light, something that heals quickly

but reality shows that hardly anyone addicted manages to be 100% cured of the addiction to the point of returning to playing normally without getting out of control, maybe it would even be the case to put a certificate for any addicted person who has already left a hospital, the certificate would be to show that in the past the person was addicted but is already cured but should not be accepted in gambling, of course this would be a big problem for the person to get a job, especially in this society that laughs at people when they have an addiction, people treat addicts badly

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April 10, 2023, 08:28:18 PM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

Why are you even thinking of such things that will cause an inconvenience with the gamblers? That's totally unnecessary.
The government receives enough tax from gambling businesses like casinos, why would you think they will impose a paperwork that would potentially eliminate clients because of such inconvenience.
A paperwork/certificate won't for sure make you a responsible gambler. This would only spark another corruption within the government premise that handles these certificates.

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April 10, 2023, 08:37:53 PM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.
I don't think any form of certification is necessary for identification or whatsoever, on gamblers.... I mean, casino already struggled to get certifications for 'em peeps on publicity etc ...why should the gamblers do the same too?
Secondly, that's not gonna play any sub-conscious role and it'll totally be against this natural phenomenon, Which is LIBERTY. Thirdly, the Govt can't control people's funds more than what they've controlled already; is addiction on a particular stuff supposed to be a public affair? Anyone could handle himself and make his MuCus even more sticky if he wants....non of ya business!

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April 10, 2023, 09:26:27 PM
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Who will issue the certificate? Is the gambler willing to apply for such certificate just to prove that he is not addict in gambling? I doubt on this one because the government doesn’t care at all as they are more concern about the casinos and their possible profit from then instead of helping those addict gamblers. Casinos itself will also not issue such certificate because they don’t want to lose that gambler and if they became addict, the casinos will still get benefit on that.
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