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April 10, 2023, 10:09:05 PM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.
Unless Curacao, Costa Rica, and other governments of big offshore casino paradises implement it, I don't think it will ever concern many crypto casinos, because they won't impose this kind of requirement to their customers on their own. They are escaping national regulation thanks to the use of cryptocurrencies, they won't take decisions hurting their business just to appear responsible.

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April 10, 2023, 10:15:29 PM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.
actually in the TOS or privacy policy, the majority of gambling sites have written about it but many players don't want to read it, if you don't want to lose money then don't gamble. if you lose because you don't want to stop playing, then don't blame the casino where you are gambling and say they have cheated you. All gamblers should be aware that what they do while in an online or offline casino is their own responsibility.
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April 10, 2023, 11:46:09 PM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.
Sounds interesting, but I honestly do not think we will ever get to such a stage, simply because, on my own personal opinion, I do see this as important.
First, imagine going to court to obtain such a document, or should I say a warrant, all because you wanna gamble, makes no sense to me sincerely, this will simply means giving the government more power than the already have..

And again, this can not stop gamblers from gambling irresponsibly if they want to, or if they don't watch it, so have to submit such a certificate before gambling is totally of no use, it will also affect casinos negatively because they will definitely lose alot of customers including myself, I will stop gambling completely any day such a certificate becomes mandatory to submit before I am allowed to gamble.

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April 10, 2023, 11:55:02 PM
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And again, this can not stop gamblers from gambling irresponsibly if they want to, or if they don't watch it, so have to submit such a certificate before gambling is totally of no use, it will also affect casinos negatively because they will definitely lose alot of customers including myself, I will stop gambling completely any day such a certificate becomes mandatory to submit before I am allowed to gamble.

And gambling owners won't allow that to happen as it's just removing one of their loyal customers.

The thing here is, we don't even know what tier can be considered a responsible gambler. There are gamblers who are losing big money but are still responsible for their life outside of gambling. What could be the factors to call a gambler responsible?

If that certificate thing will really implement, I'm sure casinos will just grant is easy without searching deeply into the gambler's status.

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April 10, 2023, 11:59:35 PM
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I wonder what would be the guidelines for having the certificate? What's the procedure?

If that requires looking for the financial aspects of the user, I doubt that is breaching the gambler's privacy. KYC is now slowly accepting even though others don't want it but looking for much deeper information like salary and financial capability, that is not a good thing already.

Government and casinos will just keep the usual way of reminding people to be responsible in gambling.

I prefer to have a dissenting opinion because there is really nothing impossible online, thirty years ago no one would have thought that you can play casinos in the comfort of your home but we have hundreds of them right now.
the requirement need not apply to all players but to specific types of players that contribute to being compulsive gamblers there's the possibility of casinos complying because of the license issuer requirements and it should be put in their TOS.
It's not really a good thing but the government and authorities will always have a way, so this is not really a remote scenario, in my opinion, the possibility of anything is always there.

I disagree. Even no one thought 30 years ago that we can play casino at our home, it's always possible to happened. It's different to the concern of yours about certificate since it now involved too much privacy concerns. As I said, I'm sure one thing that will looked at here is the user's financial capability and that means casinos needs to verify where our funds came from.

It will result for some users leaving that casino. I do fine with KYC but if financial documents will be required, that's a total bullshit requirements.
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April 11, 2023, 12:57:21 AM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.
Casinos won't implement such features and also how they can scale the responsibility of a person from their loss, and someone maybe in loss on a casino on the contrary they made huge money on another casino so in net they are in profits then how come this will work cause its negative for both the parties.

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April 11, 2023, 02:14:51 AM
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I wonder what would be the guidelines for having the certificate? What's the procedure?

If that requires looking for the financial aspects of the user, I doubt that is breaching the gambler's privacy. KYC is now slowly accepting even though others don't want it but looking for much deeper information like salary and financial capability, that is not a good thing already.

Government and casinos will just keep the usual way of reminding people to be responsible in gambling.

I prefer to have a dissenting opinion because there is really nothing impossible online, thirty years ago no one would have thought that you can play casinos in the comfort of your home but we have hundreds of them right now.
the requirement need not apply to all players but to specific types of players that contribute to being compulsive gamblers there's the possibility of casinos complying because of the license issuer requirements and it should be put in their TOS.
It's not really a good thing but the government and authorities will always have a way, so this is not really a remote scenario, in my opinion, the possibility of anything is always there.

I disagree. Even no one thought 30 years ago that we can play casino at our home, it's always possible to happened. It's different to the concern of yours about certificate since it now involved too much privacy concerns. As I said, I'm sure one thing that will looked at here is the user's financial capability and that means casinos needs to verify where our funds came from.

It will result for some users leaving that casino. I do fine with KYC but if financial documents will be required, that's a total bullshit requirements.
and if all casino online come to take us all our privacy ? then we must leave online playing and just go in Local gambling houses or casino houses that obviously we will play in live appearance and there is no need of hiding .
but i doubt that government will implement this because the casino online will soon all close because of no players interested in dealing with such policies .

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April 11, 2023, 03:19:20 AM
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I don't see if happening, i'm pretty sure casinos make most of their revenue from addicted gamblers, it would be like a shot in foot.

If a person is addicted gambler and he's supposed to show a certificate to gamble, it would be annoying for him as well. Such requirement will likely make him move on to alternatives such on-chain casinos than curb his addiction.
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April 11, 2023, 04:49:43 AM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
Can this certificate serve as a clear evidence that you're a responsible gambler? What if your behaviour is different when you're already playing? I don't think the casino will implement this kind of rule before one can gamble. It can hurt their business since for casinos, the more gamblers playing and spending their money on their platform, means the more revenue they're getting.

The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.
Government can't control the people on where they want to spend their wealth. They can give warning but they can't dictate the people. As long as they're playing on a legal casino, I don't see the point of refraining them to gamble since gamblers are the ones responsible for themselves when already playing.

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April 11, 2023, 05:40:22 AM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
Can this certificate serve as a clear evidence that you're a responsible gambler? What if your behaviour is different when you're already playing? I don't think the casino will implement this kind of rule before one can gamble. It can hurt their business since for casinos, the more gamblers playing and spending their money on their platform, means the more revenue they're getting.

The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.
Government can't control the people on where they want to spend their wealth. They can give warning but they can't dictate the people. As long as they're playing on a legal casino, I don't see the point of refraining them to gamble since gamblers are the ones responsible for themselves when already playing.
I also think that this type of system wouldn't be installed to protect people's wealth. I agree that governments can't and shouldn't influence people s spending decisions. But I assume casinos may prefer this system to see which people can be loyal customers and which people are losers. As you said, even customers may like such system because you may be tagged as "responsible" customer and that may return you extra bonus benefits. I think such system seems attractive enough to enforce and we will hear about in next 5 years.
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April 11, 2023, 06:32:46 AM
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Not closing the door for this to happen but one thing I will surely do , when times this comes to reality ? I will never play in those casino that implement this and if all of them are? then it is time for me to leave the online gambling and maybe return to my old habits and that is to play cards and some small time gambling in my community.
we even have a time playing and betting in online games in which I am one of the best before(not know now if I am still that good lol)

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April 11, 2023, 06:49:26 AM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

Even if such certificate would be implemented, I'm sure that it will be faked and many gamblers will successfully bypass it.
The casinos have no incentive at stopping the hardcore gambling addicts from gambling. It doesn't matter that some casinos promote "responsible gambling" and try to describe their business as "responsible". Hypocrisy is a part of the game.
The government could create lists of gambling addicts and each person, who is added to this list has to be forever banned from visiting offline casinos(showing ID card when visiting the casino would be required) and creating accounts at online casinos(ID verification would become mandatory at all online casinos). This would be a way better policy than the implementation of useless certificates.

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April 11, 2023, 08:06:45 AM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

That's an interesting idea, but might be very hard to implement. Gambling addiction is a serious problem that only affects a fraction of the gamblers. So for making such a certificate mandatory at the casinos a lot of gamblers who never struggled with the addiction would have to get it. This would be a lot of work and also provides the government with personal information from all the gamblers. I think the major concern most of us have with it is the misuse of our data by the government and a potential data breach that could lead to our data getting in the wrong hands. It also might be a bit hard to proof that you are a responsible gambler. What kind of records do we need to keep from our gambling activities, and for how long? That could accumulate to a lot of data.
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April 11, 2023, 08:42:54 AM
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I don't see if happening, i'm pretty sure casinos make most of their revenue from addicted gamblers, it would be like a shot in foot.

If a person is addicted gambler and he's supposed to show a certificate to gamble, it would be annoying for him as well. Such requirement will likely make him move on to alternatives such on-chain casinos than curb his addiction.
surely there will be many gamblers who leave the gambling because of the certificate issue and they will not only choose on-chain gambling but prefer physical gambling.
however I am also sure that casinos will not implement such regulations because gambling is a business that aims to profit from addicted gamblers. if that happens it's like limiting other people's freedom and very bad.

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April 11, 2023, 09:23:47 AM
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It's useless to have such certificate because there are few unlicensed casinos where you can gamble without need to worry about KYC and other verification, so an addict can still gamble in unlicensed casino because he don't have to submit a certificate. I'm not really sure if in the future the casino will implement this kind certificate in able to gamble in their casino, this will make people not favor to gamble due to many rules need to follow and this will decrease the traffic.

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April 11, 2023, 11:48:48 AM
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I'm not sure gamblers will agree to the government's plan to upload responsible gambler certificates especially gamblers who usually play in crypto casinos, because it has crossed the boundaries of crypto casinos. Those crypto gamblers will probably move on to other crypto casinos that don't ask for those certificates.

But if the certificate is for a gambler who has lost a lot of money, maybe the certificate can become necessary because the casino doesn't want to be blamed by anyone. Apart from that, the government also supervises casinos, so the casinos are just trying to carry out the rules.

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April 11, 2023, 06:02:09 PM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

To be honest, this is a pretty redundant notion. if so, all countries that legalize gambling implement the idea of ​​a responsible gambler certificate. Then what will happen. Most likely, many gamblers will look for other options or try to find gambling platforms that do not include the requirements like the ideas you posted in this thread. yes, it seems that this idea is too complicated to apply to gamblers, especially for gamblers who have experienced many losses.

Well, as one of our members said. almost impossible to happen, in a country that adheres to a system of freedom. I understand very well, that this idea is very good for gamblers. however, I'm not sure this pattern will be applied by every country. As for the other idea, ideally, with a responsible gambling program. yes, to provide direction for gamblers, both veteran gamblers and new gamblers. a program like this could be implemented, but I'm not sure it will be effective. however as a hint and direction it is better than the ideas you posted in this thread. one of the contents of the program is, providing knowledge of what to watch out for before betting, understanding how gambling works, tips on safe gambling and so on.
IMO, this would be more accepted by society than having a responsible gambler's certificate.

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April 11, 2023, 07:48:45 PM
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there is always a possibilities because we knew how harder it is for the casino to operate and serve gamblers as the government because restrictions and rules will always be to apply.
But I also believe that Gambling sites don't want this implemented unless being forced.
as I can see the insult towards that gamblers being question while he has his money to risk and play.
this will  only be applied to those who might be borrowing capital but for the capable? i don't think there is a need to comply.
Gambling is not new anymore and back in time, it is already known to be highly addictive but there were no such things as responsible gambler certificate that is being implemented all through the years. Here in crypto gambling, there is only a KYC which people did not expect as well because cryptos are supposed to be decentralized.

This alone is already enough for us. We don't want more hassle but if let say a responsible gambler certificate is also required, I think that will be the time that gamblers are going to quit gambling for real and this will badly affect the gambling industry. I think the gambling sectors have already think of it in advance and maybe that is the reason on why they did not continue with this idea.
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April 11, 2023, 08:32:48 PM
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.


Casino is a business, so if there is no need or regulation to ask player of Respnsible Gambling certificate then they will not ask it.  Besides, the government or the licensing office will have a hard time determining people whether they are responsible gambler or not.  If they present the evaluation with question, then it can be easily cheated by lying on the answers.  So I think that it is impossible for the casino to have such requirement.

The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

I do not think the government will implement such kind of regulation.  If the government do then it will greatly affect the gambling business in a negative way.  And the government don't like their tax income hindered, do they?
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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.

Casino is a business, so if there is no need or regulation to ask player of Respnsible Gambling certificate then they will not ask it.  Besides, the government or the licensing office will have a hard time determining people whether they are responsible gambler or not.  If they present the evaluation with question, then it can be easily cheated by lying on the answers.  So I think that it is impossible for the casino to have such requirement.

The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

I do not think the government will implement such kind of regulation.  If the government do then it will greatly affect the gambling business in a negative way.  And the government don't like their tax income hindered, do they?

This particular aspect is very subjective and also, there's no point in implementing it as users can give a different answer to satisfy such requirement.
It will just be another non-sense requirement if in case casinos will start asking from their players.
Unless, the government will mandate these licensed casinos to require this document from its players.
But for now, I am not seeing this as beneficial for both sides, just another unnecessary document to scare away players.
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