cashout money

[Silberman]

hello is it possible to cashout money  without being the owner  without having documents to proof you are the owner  and when the account is frozen?

only thing i have is that payment method that was used  was mine and the cashout would go towards that account

I doubt it, if the account is frozen this means the casino in which you want to make the withdrawal found something fishy going on and they are going to need that you pass whatever procedures they have in place to deal with this situation, which in most cases will require that you identify yourself, and since according to your own admission you are not the owner of the account then you will never get any of your withdrawal attempts approved, so forget about it.

[robelneo]

well you can't claim a pokerstars account as a casino account/site    it is mostly poker   

but i concur that buying an account is not smart move/stupid   i should have known better     
but i just wanted to play anonymous and so means playing under another name then my own   but it has indeed risks

You've been doing a lot of stupid things based on the feedback on your account,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2751022

you should change your way and stop circumventing things and trying to avoid following the rules, you will end people not only disliking you but distrusting you.
and losing money like in the case of the casino you're playing.

[FatFork]

nemlig sold me this ps account https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2845813 

It's pretty clear that you guys are both scammers, and you might even be alts of each other. But just for kicks, do you have any proof to back that up? Can you show evidence that it was he who sold you the account and that you paid for it?

[nimogsm]

This is a good example: do not use other people's accounts! Everything that concerns money and bets with high risks should be accessible only to one person, there can be no other options. It would never have crossed my mind to make a deposit on someone else's account and play it is almost 100% future blocking. There is a security system on every site and it notices suspicious transactions and blocks the account accordingly.

[Davidvictorson]

If you’re talking about crypto gambling site, you can done this on those site without KYC but if its a big withdrawals, then maybe the site will start to ask for some details or KYC to prove that your money is came from a good source aside from winning it. Also, withdrawal is easy nowadays just comply with the requirements and follow the rules of the site you should experience no problem.

I am sorry, but I just wanted to point out that I had a recent issue with one of the crypto gambling sites. I had won about $60 and KYC was required. It was the first time for me and I was totally shocked because it was my first time experiencing such requirement on the site. I have won and easily withdrawn my cash on the site in the past. When I read their Terms. They said although they require KYC on big withdrawals of $100 plus they reserve the right to request for KYC at any time. So, it doesn't really matter. KYC can be requested at anytime.

[348Judah]

hello is it possible to cashout money  without being the owner  without having documents to proof you are the owner  and when the account is frozen?

only thing i have is that payment method that was used  was mine and the cashout would go towards that account

Right from reading your question, one would know that you're already a newbie, ones a transaction had been made, it is irreversible, know this first, also if you gamble and make payment on yiur bet made as stake, you're free to use any account to make deposit to your casino crypto wallet, but still irreversible, you can only cash out if you have the bet slip or access to the site on the same account used to gamble that particular game.

[QueenVera]

Well if the account doesn't have your name and documents on it , it might at some point be difficult to have access to the money and before I go ahead, I reay would want to know why you are trying to have access to someone else's money because he or she used your payment address for payments?
With no affiliations to the above topic, and I'm not writing this to make any suggestions to how you can steal or take away someone's money without their consent and you're ready having negative trust on your profile.
But if you have full access to the account including the emails and maybe phone number then there are possibilities that you might have access to the money since payment will be made through your address.

[virasisog]

If you’re talking about crypto gambling site, you can done this on those site without KYC but if its a big withdrawals, then maybe the site will start to ask for some details or KYC to prove that your money is came from a good source aside from winning it. Also, withdrawal is easy nowadays just comply with the requirements and follow the rules of the site you should experience no problem.

I am sorry, but I just wanted to point out that I had a recent issue with one of the crypto gambling sites. I had won about $60 and KYC was required. It was the first time for me and I was totally shocked because it was my first time experiencing such requirement on the site. I have won and easily withdrawn my cash on the site in the past. When I read their Terms. They said although they require KYC on big withdrawals of $100 plus they reserve the right to request for KYC at any time. So, it doesn't really matter. KYC can be requested at anytime.

I've also experienced the same thing with a casino before. I was confident that they will not ask for KYC because I already had good withdrawals but it seems like they are asking their users to comply with the KYC randomly. They ask me for KYC during my withdrawal despite stating on their TOS that they will only ask for KYC on big transactions. The sad thing is it took a long time for them to finish the KYC approval which is really a hassle. I think it's already time for us to accept the fact that casinos will ask for KYC anytime so we must always be prepared.

[Slow death]

nemlig sold me this ps account https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2845813

you got involved in a big problem that has no solution, you bought a PokerStars casino account even though it was against the TOS of the casino, you could have created your own account in which you would have put all your data and with that today you would not be facing this problem because you would easily pass their KYC, now there is no way for them to solve your problem, I think that the most productive solution is that you tell the truth in the casino although this will not help you in any way because casinos hate that customers profit and when they realize that the customer who profited cheated or broke their TOS so the casino won't pay you no matter how much you beg the casino won't pay you

you have to forget about this casino and move on, create an account in other casinos but this time do not buy accounts in casinos, you have already seen the great disadvantage of buying a casino account, in this time when all casinos ask for KYC to buy an account in a casino is a big stupidity . see that the person who sold you the account had not even gone through KYC and the bigger an account in which a lot of money and bonuses have been moving, the greater the chance of the casino asking for KYC, that's why it's a big stupidity to buy high-level vip accounts and worse without KYC.

about this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2845813

Name: Nemlig
Posts: 110
Activity: 110
Merit: 0
Position: Copper Member
Date Registered: August 25, 2020, 11:31:46 AM
Last Active: March 25, 2023, 11:12:03 AM

this guy hasn't been active for many days and it doesn't seem to me that he values his account very much so I doubt he would do KYC for you, assuming that he sold you his account even if the data in the account registration is his real data, but even that would be a big risk because he would have to have access to the account to do KYC or maybe he would send an email to the casino support with his documents and with that the account would be verified. anyway the TOS of the casino were violated in my opinion because casinos forbid the sale of accounts, I don't know if this casino is allowed, I could be wrong

[ps34]

i appreciate all the help but in my books pokerstars is a poker site/account  so calling it a casino account is a bit strange

you can indeed play casino on it  but poker is not casino  right ?  or am i mistaken?

nonetheless  i think i have slim chance in getting my money back wich is a shame     and also to make things clear  i made the deposit myself with my own personal skrill account on someone else  account
so the money   that was cashed out  was my money  but okay  i made mistake to play on someone else  ps account i get that

what i don't know is if nemlig and this real owner  of ps account are the same person  or if this real owner has nothing to do with it and maybe  didn't log on anymore on his account and so doesn't know his account is being used for other activitivies
i have name of this real owner  if maybe can track a person   you can contact me  (can't find him on social networks though )

[UmerIdrees]

i appreciate all the help but in my books pokerstars is a poker site/account  so calling it a casino account is a bit strange

you can indeed play casino on it  but poker is not casino  right ?  or am i mistaken?

nonetheless  i think i have slim chance in getting my money back wich is a shame    and also to make things clear  i made the deposit myself with my own personal skrill account on someone else  account
so the money   that was cashed out  was my money  but okay  i made mistake to play on someone else  ps account i get that

what i don't know is if nemlig and this real owner  of ps account are the same person  or if this real owner has nothing to do with it and maybe  didn't log on anymore on his account and so doesn't know his account is being used for other activitivies
i have name of this real owner  if maybe can track a person   you can contact me  (can't find him on social networks though )

There is very little or almost no chance that you may get your money back. It's better you may forget about it and move on. You got the lesson learned but at the expense of your money. You and me can't change what is being written for us by the nature and these losses are part of life. The only thing we can do is not t repeat the same mistakes again and learn from these experiences.

As far as the scammer Nemlig is concerned, he isn't much active on this forum now a days especially after his account is tagged. He was last active on 25 March and its also not easy to find him on social media as you never know if the bitcointalk name Nemlig is his real name and there is not much information available to search for him on social networks.

[decodx]

i appreciate all the help but in my books pokerstars is a poker site/account  so calling it a casino account is a bit strange

you can indeed play casino on it  but poker is not casino  right ?  or am i mistaken?

You're right that poker isn't traditionally considered a casino game, since it is a game of skill (with an element of luck involved). But some websites like PokerStars have both poker and casino games available to play. So while it might not be totally accurate to call a PokerStars website an "online casino," some people might use that term to mean a website that lets you play both poker and casino games. Basically, it just depends on the person and the context of the conversation.

Besides, here's an excerpt from the wikipedia article:

A typical selection of gambling games offered at an online casino might include:

Baccarat
Blackjack
Craps
Roulette
Sic bo
Slot machines
Poker
Keno
Bingo

But does that really matter here? What is important, in my opinion, is that you have fun while playing. 

[TimeTeller]

i appreciate all the help but in my books pokerstars is a poker site/account  so calling it a casino account is a bit strange

you can indeed play casino on it  but poker is not casino  right ?  or am i mistaken?

nonetheless  i think i have slim chance in getting my money back wich is a shame    and also to make things clear  i made the deposit myself with my own personal skrill account on someone else  account
so the money   that was cashed out  was my money  but okay  i made mistake to play on someone else  ps account i get that

what i don't know is if nemlig and this real owner  of ps account are the same person  or if this real owner has nothing to do with it and maybe  didn't log on anymore on his account and so doesn't know his account is being used for other activitivies
i have name of this real owner  if maybe can track a person   you can contact me  (can't find him on social networks though )

There is very little or almost no chance that you may get your money back. It's better you may forget about it and move on. You got the lesson learned but at the expense of your money. You and me can't change what is being written for us by the nature and these losses are part of life. The only thing we can do is not t repeat the same mistakes again and learn from these experiences.

As far as the scammer Nemlig is concerned, he isn't much active on this forum now a days especially after his account is tagged. He was last active on 25 March and its also not easy to find him on social media as you never know if the bitcointalk name Nemlig is his real name and there is not much information available to search for him on social networks.

Just take this as an expensive lesson, not to trust a stranger over the net.
For all we know, he's been reading your case anonymously.
So yes, accept the fact that you can't get your money back. At least, you can still earn that money and he did not screw you using your personal docs.
Tracking that person may incur some funds again from your end. So better accept this lesson and move on.

[BitcoinPanther]

hello is it possible to cashout money  without being the owner  without having documents to proof you are the owner  and when the account is frozen?

In case of frozen account and needs KYC, the document should match the name input of the account.  If the name is not yours then there is no way you can access the fund.  You can be suspected as other person claiming or trying to steal another person's fund. Worst case scenario, the account will be totally locked and fund confiscated.  So it is not possible to claim any funds form an account that is not under your name.

only thing i have is that payment method that was used  was mine and the cashout would go towards that account

This can't be use to prove you as the owner of the account.

i appreciate all the help but in my books pokerstars is a poker site/account  so calling it a casino account is a bit strange

you can indeed play casino on it  but poker is not casino  right ?  or am i mistaken?

nonetheless  i think i have slim chance in getting my money back wich is a shame     and also to make things clear  i made the deposit myself with my own personal skrill account on someone else  account
so the money   that was cashed out  was my money  but okay  i made mistake to play on someone else  ps account i get that

what i don't know is if nemlig and this real owner  of ps account are the same person  or if this real owner has nothing to do with it and maybe  didn't log on anymore on his account and so doesn't know his account is being used for other activitivies
i have name of this real owner  if maybe can track a person   you can contact me  (can't find him on social networks though )

I think only nemlig know, you can try to approach nemlig and inquire about that but he was inactive for almost a month now.  It is a sad thing that you lost some amount there but, I bet you learn some lesson on that transaction and hopefully, you won't commit another mistake like that.

[Johnyz]

This is a good example: do not use other people's accounts! Everything that concerns money and bets with high risks should be accessible only to one person, there can be no other options. It would never have crossed my mind to make a deposit on someone else's account and play it is almost 100% future blocking. There is a security system on every site and it notices suspicious transactions and blocks the account accordingly.

Exactly, don’t try to cheat the system by using others account because you might experience the same faith with this one. If OP don’t have any contact with the real owner then there’s no way to get that money back since the site is asking for a supporting details and documents, better for OP to move on. The site are very strict with this one, if your account being tagged as suspicious you can’t do anything but to comply with them.

[Viscore]

hello is it possible to cashout money  without being the owner  without having documents to proof you are the owner  and when the account is frozen?

only thing i have is that payment method that was used  was mine and the cashout would go towards that account

If you have full control over the account then yes but if the account is frozen then that is totally impossible feat. Even if the payment method was yours that wouldn't mean much to consider a cash out since you state that the account is frozen.

Yes, once the account is frozen, you cannot make any withdrawals from your account but you can  continue to deposit or transfer money into that account. That is the consequence having a frozen account. Just wait for a week or more before that account can be unfreeze, and that’s the time withdrawal will be now allowed.

[ps34]

okay guys i think we can conclude that i have learned a valuable lesson indeed last post i will make here

if there would be anyone that could help get me in contact with the real owner of this ps account i have his name/email address you can always pm me here

i also contacted him through his email address  and he  answered with  hello who is this ?     and then  nothing after i explained everything few days passed
so dunno what i need to think about that


one last question i want to ask   what happens  if this money would be still on account and nobody can claim it   what happens then with this money?  does pokerstars keep it for themself  ?  i guess there is alot of unclaimed money still on player accounts this way

[Oceat]

Is that it? They blocked you for no reason? And why would you use someone's account in the first place? That was a waste if you won't be able to get that winning. Perhaps, we should want to know what really happened there why they have to block that account. Even if the owner take that account the casino might still not gonna give it to the real owner. Perhaps, waiting is your only choice or go continue to contact the real owner but I don't know if both of you will be working together if someone saw that amount of winning.

[lionheart78]

one last question i want to ask   what happens  if this money would be still on account and nobody can claim it   what happens then with this money?  does pokerstars keep it for themself  ?  i guess there is alot of unclaimed money still on player accounts this way

It will stay on the account most probably and the action of the platform will more likely depend on their ToS, if there is a certain clause on their ToS that accounts that are inactive for a certain period of time will be closed and funds will be confiscated by the platform then the fund of the account will be likely confiscated by the platform, especially the account has a cased and in need for KYC to be unfrozen. 

It is also possible that the original owner of the account may come forward try to unfrozen the account to claim the fund in it.

[noormcs5]

one last question i want to ask   what happens  if this money would be still on account and nobody can claim it   what happens then with this money?  does pokerstars keep it for themself  ?  i guess there is alot of unclaimed money still on player accounts this way

I guess the money stays with pokerstars unless until it is requested for withdrawal ?
I don't think that there is any rule where the platform return the money to the gamblers if it stays ideal in anyone's account.

The gambling sites are not so generous that they give the ideal money lying in the account to the depositors. Especially when the account is frozen, it means that the site has got hold of the funds and will never return.