after listening to manupulation, i think in this way

[cafter]

Many times we see in news and articles about market manipulation, after that i think, why this trend lines and indicators matters,

do institutions are also following indicators and trend lines? yes, manipulation but that manipulation is for liquidity grab.

but after all they also predict by trend lines and indicators? why trend lines matters?

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[Oshosondy]

The more the market capitalization of a coin, the lesser the market manipulation of the coin.

Let us take bitcoin as an example, owned by many people in the world and also having a market capitalization of over $500 billion now. To manipulate a coin like that, I mean to manipulate a coin like bitcoin, it would be difficult.

A coin that is just listed on exchanges, or that is control mostly by whales, like 40 to 70% or more controlled by whales. Such coins can be manipulated. That is why it is good to go for good coins like bitcoin that is difficult to manipulate.

but after all they also predict by trend lines and indicators? why trend lines matters?

Indicators and other things used for technical analysis are good because traders use them and they have better accuracy. This does not mean that you should 100% believe on indicators because they can also fail, although many professional traders are using them and showing satisfying results.

[rat03gopoh]

If manipulators also need trend lines then they actually haven't completely dominated the market. What I think is, they'll just cause a greater volatility effect quickly and make the best of the momentum before other traders arrive who will overcome their capital strength.

[tbct_mt2]

Many times we see in news and articles about market manipulation, after that i think, why this trend lines and indicators matters,

do institutions are also following indicators and trend lines? yes, manipulation but that manipulation is for liquidity grab.

but after all they also predict by trend lines and indicators? why trend lines matters?

Institutional investors are like small investors. They can be pro institutional investors or they can be stupid institutional investors. Like Terra, Voyager, 3Arrows Capital and more. You can not say institutional investors are always right with their methods and decisions.

Trend lines are important because we know a trend is a friend. Furthermore, when you use trend lines, you are simplifying things for your view but it is wider and more general than using too many technical indicators.

Good investors will focus on fundamentals first, then trend lines.

[SamReomo]

Many times we see in news and articles about market manipulation, after that i think, why this trend lines and indicators matters,

do institutions are also following indicators and trend lines? yes, manipulation but that manipulation is for liquidity grab.

but after all they also predict by trend lines and indicators? why trend lines matters?

The news and media does that  to earn their own share of income, it's pure business my friend. In a real trading environment the trend lines and indicators matter a lot, without those you will be trading blindly and that will cause more losses. The news is full of propaganda and trusting them with closed eyes isn't a good choice.

Many institutions are following the indicators, but they are also doing the game of manipulation by tying up with news channels and sites, to make others believe in a coin that they own. These tactics will work with the coins whose market cap is not so high.

Whales and other big investors and hedge funds are known for manipulating the market. But, if you choose better coins with a proper plan, and working strategies then you can earn from the manipulated markets. Hedging works best in such scenarios, and if applied correctly you'll earn enough profit in short term.

[Flexystar]

Market manipulation can happen with two things:
1. If you have lot of money, so much that it can contribute to enough pump or dump. Sometimes also called as bulls and bears of the market. The later term is highly popular in the normal share market (non-crypto).
2. If there is government based manipulation or powerful influencer or rich person whose statement matters a lot to the general public.

Let us pick any of them, we can say that it is insider job. The manipulation is actually a illegal activity and its NOT THE WAY to give with it.

We have live example of this and almost the whole world experienced it - Elon-DOGE manipulation. Everyone was into it and got sucked up as if they were getting into the black hole. No escape.

Everyone kept putting money at various prices. That was the perfect manipulation of the market. However, the result? It was disastrous and many people lost alarming amount of money with this.

Better yet say its worst trap for the regular traders like you and me. Understanding it within time is the best practice to follow.

[livingfree]

They just can't ignore the trends and they also read the market charting. So, they're playing by the market and at the same time, they've got plenty of money for market manipulation based on what they've got and that's through making some news and articles.

No doubt that this has been one of the best approaches and ways that they can do in the market to make it move and manipulate it. It has been done years ago and truly effective to make such movement if they have to.

They're making it look like they're conducting a study to the market and the behavior of everybody through negative/positive news that they release through the media.

[AmoreJaz]

Market manipulation can happen with two things:
1. If you have lot of money, so much that it can contribute to enough pump or dump. Sometimes also called as bulls and bears of the market. The later term is highly popular in the normal share market (non-crypto).
2. If there is government based manipulation or powerful influencer or rich person whose statement matters a lot to the general public.

Let us pick any of them, we can say that it is insider job. The manipulation is actually a illegal activity and its NOT THE WAY to give with it.

We have live example of this and almost the whole world experienced it - Elon-DOGE manipulation. Everyone was into it and got sucked up as if they were getting into the black hole. No escape.

Everyone kept putting money at various prices. That was the perfect manipulation of the market. However, the result? It was disastrous and many people lost alarming amount of money with this.

Better yet say its worst trap for the regular traders like you and me. Understanding it within time is the best practice to follow.

spotting this will help you avoid such market. just like what you have given as an example. the doge market. however, a lot of people are still jumping on it for the hope that they will get high profits. well, we can't stop them but they should know better. the risks involved in venturing this kind of hype or manipulation.
the one who's manipulating the market don't care whether a small trader is losing his life's savings or not. so long they are gaining from it.

[Johnyz]

Manipulators also monitor the market, and they coming at the perfect timing at the cost of every real investors. Most of them are just trying to take profit always but of course, creating panic can also make them lose money. This has been the trend with crypto, every time the market goes up you can expect from them to start spreading fake news or FUD. Well, you have to learn how to ride with them and continue making profit, its not easy but its worth it once you already knew how it works.

[Taskford]

Manipulators also monitor the market, and they coming at the perfect timing at the cost of every real investors. Most of them are just trying to take profit always but of course, creating panic can also make them lose money. This has been the trend with crypto, every time the market goes up you can expect from them to start spreading fake news or FUD. Well, you have to learn how to ride with them and continue making profit, its not easy but its worth it once you already knew how it works.

They will not insert their manipulation technique when market is doing good since their attacks will never work as this one will get buried by hypes covered up by good events happen at that time. So mostly they trigger this up when the market is not in good shape to trigger up something bad which is more beneficial to those manipulator. We see this trend line happen and it repeatedly happen for so many times, so instead of freaking out on situation like this its better to ride them up to gain something in return.

[palle11]

Manipulators may not need indicators or drawing of lines, what they simply do is to work on the psyche of public and people hodling the project. They organise people to their telegram or other social media and they throw in fake news there which can make people decision to invest but unfortunately they will lose because the handlers will cash out first as soon as they begin to notice surge in price.

[sheenshane]

That's why don't focus only on technical analysis doing such indicator lines and graphs, sometimes trends and events have also an impact on the market and that's fundamental analysis IMO.  Trend lines and indicators can be useful tools in analyzing the market, but they're just one part of a larger trading strategy.  By using a variety of tools and strategies, traders can make almost accurate results but take note, it isn't 100% have a guarantee.

I think it's generally an ideal decision if you invest and wait for the market with a long-term investment strategy that takes into account a range of factors, including fundamental analysis, market news, and technical indicators, rather than relying solely on short-term trends or attempting to profit from market manipulation.  It's most likely you will fall into the trap of short-term investors.

[GreatArkansas]

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but after all they also predict by trend lines and indicators? why trend lines matters?

Trend lines and indicators I believe will be always there as you are trading.
So, if you are just a normal trader without any knowledge on manipulation then you will have hard time to learn the market and make your speculation, then that's the time the trend lines and indicator will come, it will help you to analyze and do your technical analysis.

[OcTradism]

Trend lines and indicators I believe will be always there as you are trading.
So, if you are just a normal trader without any knowledge on manipulation then you will have hard time to learn the market and make your speculation, then that's the time the trend lines and indicator will come, it will help you to analyze and do your technical analysis.

Applying trend lines is for wide windows like 1-week, 1-month charts. People make mistakes by using 15-min, 30-min, 1-hour charts to find trend lines. I don't say what they draw are not trend lines but those lines are for short term, short term trend lines. Hence, if they rely on those lines and let their position opens too long, those things won't match each other and their position will no longer be benefited by the trend line they draw and use.

[Silberman]

Many times we see in news and articles about market manipulation, after that i think, why this trend lines and indicators matters,

do institutions are also following indicators and trend lines? yes, manipulation but that manipulation is for liquidity grab.

but after all they also predict by trend lines and indicators? why trend lines matters?

Insider trading and market manipulation, even if forbidden, are part of any market, however the best way to lessen their effects is to only trade or invest on markets which have a high volume, this way it is more difficult for those market manipulators to move the market as they wish  and even if they try the less effective those maneuvers will be and the less time it will take to the market to recover, so while those whales can execute those kind of moves, it is not as if they can do them with exposing themselves to a very high risk as well.

[Strongkored]

Many times we see in news and articles about market manipulation, after that i think, why this trend lines and indicators matters,

Manipulation mostly occurs with coins with a low market capitalization because usually the number of coins will be monopolized by only a few people, sometimes even developers, although they don't say it honestly, are the ones who hold the coins with a big enough percentage so that they have the ability to manipulate the market for their own benefit. But coins with a large market capitalization will be difficult for the market to manipulate unless it is an institution that has the ability to do so.

Maybe manipulators will spread disturbing news if they want to make a coin with a big market cap move wildly because it causes panic among traders.

[jeraldskie11]

do institutions are also following indicators and trend lines?

As far as I know, indicators and trend lines are irrelevant to institutions. What matters is determining where traders often place their stop losses in order to influence them. Typically, manipulation can be noticed in price movements that produce equal highs and lows.

why trend lines matters?

Trend lines are important since they know how long they will keep their assets before closing their positions. Regardless of the trend, they can still manipulate both ways.

[slaman29]

Remember when a lot of media and individuals on twitter etc began looking at 2017 bull run and a lot of people agreed that it was mainly market manipulation that drove price almost 20x from 2016?

Those times, trendlines and analysis all made sense anyway.

So maybe the way to look at it is that no matter manipulation or not, eventually markets behave in a way that makes sense when using TA.

But TA is always a future look at the past. That is what people forget, that it only predicts future by looking back.

[Natalim]

This really matters if it works for you then. Why not try it OP in order for you to know how it affects your trade results until it wasn't tried otherwise, it was just a sort of blaming.

Since you know about manipulation OP and being a trader, we must have to go along with the trend and do analysis from it. If that still confuses you and still losing, then better find another way to solve it. And besides, we can't just take the bait, some manipulators are planting it to attract newbies so we need to analyze the market movement so well.

[taufik123]

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So maybe the way to look at it is that no matter manipulation or not, eventually markets behave in a way that makes sense when using TA.

But TA is always a future look at the past. That is what people forget, that it only predicts future by looking back.

TA provides an overview based on history or existing data.
This will refer to predictions that might happen again in the future.
TA is not always correct, but trend lines will always be read by TA.

In addition, TA is also combined with FA which will provide a real picture of market conditions.
Manipulation occurs because it is influenced by many factors and with FA traders can find out and analyze using TA.

TA and FA will always be used as benchmarks to determine trends that will occur,
so no matter how well the manipulations are carried out, they will still be detected.