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[NotATether]

Well since we are on bitcointalk.org, it is possible to make some incentive for campaign members to post a well constructed and detailed (non-AI generated) as the first/second/third reply of a question thread

Getting the job in a campaign already is the incentive to make useful posts

That's true, but I am speaking of larger incentives: an additional $50/week for making an early constructive answer is nothing to pass over.

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[PowerGlove]

That's true, but I am speaking of larger incentives: an additional $50/week for making an early constructive answer is nothing to pass over.

You have to be really careful when thinking up incentives, because they can easily backfire and make the problem they were intended to solve worse rather than better.

It's like that story about trying to get the rat population under control during the French occupation of Hanoi. The authorities incentivized citizens to kill rats (by offering them a small reward for each tail they brought in), and although it did work for a short time, citizens then started leaving the rats alive (after taking their tails), hoping that they would breed and produce more tails for them to collect the bounty on. There was even rat farming going on, to take better advantage of the rewards. Authorities realized what was happening and stopped paying for the tails, but the damage was done and they now had an even bigger rat problem than when they started...

If you add a financial incentive to getting your post in early, then I think that would ultimately decrease the quality of the first few replies. There's already a kind of "traffic jam" at the beginning of some topics (usually questions) with the first few replies trying to compete for merit. I often don't bother to post in topics like that because it would take me too long to do the question any real justice, and I know that by the time I'm finished with my reply there'll already be a bunch of (pretty lazy) "fast" answers that (taken as a whole) cover most of what I was going to say. It would actually be pretty cool if there was a way to call "dibs" on a topic and stop other people from posting "rushed" answers while you work on a comprehensive one.

[o_e_l_e_o]

You would undoubtedly have 5+ posts saying "Reserved" show up immediately on every single topic posted in the technical boards.

[NotATether]

You would undoubtedly have 5+ posts saying "Reserved" show up immediately on every single topic posted in the technical boards.

Hmm... maybe "reserved" posters could get warnings or be kicked out of their campaign as a punishment?

If you add a financial incentive to getting your post in early, then I think that would ultimately decrease the quality of the first few replies. There's already a kind of "traffic jam" at the beginning of some topics (usually questions) with the first few replies trying to compete for merit. I often don't bother to post in topics like that because it would take me too long to do the question any real justice, and I know that by the time I'm finished with my reply there'll already be a bunch of (pretty lazy) "fast" answers that (taken as a whole) cover most of what I was going to say. It would actually be pretty cool if there was a way to call "dibs" on a topic and stop other people from posting "rushed" answers while you work on a comprehensive one.

Makes me wonder whether there's such a thing as an "academic score" for measuring the substance of texts. The idea being, the same university-level standards that are applied against plagiarism currently are used to score a post based on several criteria like originality and informativeness. <And this score is posted next to every topic so that there are no accusations of "collusion" and also so that people can realize when they are shitposting.>

And people who don't even manage to pass the score get no bonus (and ChatGPT, lacking any emotion at all, would score a zero and get ejected).

For example, in my campaign there is a bonus that goes to the best posters. Although it is quite a manual process, maybe there is some heuristic some researcher has come up with for this in the last 100 years.

[joker_josue]

Makes me wonder whether there's such a thing as an "academic score" for measuring the substance of texts. The idea being, the same university-level standards that are applied against plagiarism currently are used to score a post based on several criteria like originality and informativeness. <And this score is posted next to every topic so that there are no accusations of "collusion" and also so that people can realize when they are shitposting.>

And people who don't even manage to pass the score get no bonus (and ChatGPT, lacking any emotion at all, would score a zero and get ejected).

For example, in my campaign there is a bonus that goes to the best posters. Although it is quite a manual process, maybe there is some heuristic some researcher has come up with for this in the last 100 years.

But is there a better way to do this, other than manually?
The best way to assess the quality of a post is by a human. Especially because the concept of quality can vary from person to person, and even if there are guidelines, only a human being will be able to evaluate it in the best way.

This is really not an easy thing, but we have to debate ideas to find ideas/solutions that allow us to reduce this level of spam/poor quality.

[yhiaali3]

Personally, I do not see any objection to the use of artificial intelligence robots modified manually, this will not eliminate the role of members in providing their own touch on the topics or responses that they write.

This is similar to when someone uses Google Translator and then manually revises the translation so that it appears human rather than machine.

But on the other hand, locking the topic when using JARPI will make most of the discussions brief and deprive many members of responses.

[John Abraham]

Then what could be the possible solution? Just let them do shit?

I don't know the solution At least there's much less spam than we had years ago, thanks to the Merit system.

I can't blame you for not knowing the solution. I understand that theymos don't want to put more restrictions and keep the forum as free as possible. But Forum Mods can update the forum rules over time, especially for AI. Some people use AI to write posts; when you ask them more about it, they cannot tell you in detail. They don't even know what they are talking about. There are a bunch of tools that they can utilize so they don't get caught. At first, they write content using GPT, then they use paraphrase tools so you cannot detect AI Writing using another AI.

Has spamming ever Paid anyone ??...

Spam wouldn't exist if it wouldn't be profitable.

That's why bounty participants paid for (For spam).

[LoyceV]

Forum Mods can update the forum rules over time, especially for AI. Some people use AI to write posts

Like Edcrypto91. I reported 4 of his posts, and 6 of them got deleted. But he didn't get banned, which is disappointing. Maybe he got a temporary ban, but I can't know that. Chat AI spam is plagiarism, but without clear source it's hard to prove. If shitting all over the tech boards isn't enough to get this user banned, reporting him feels like a waste of time. He's now on my ignore list, which makes one less user to report his posts.

[John Abraham]

Forum Mods can update the forum rules over time, especially for AI. Some people use AI to write posts

Like Edcrypto91. I reported 4 of his posts, and 6 of them got deleted. But he didn't get banned, which is disappointing. Maybe he got a temporary ban, but I can't know that. Chat AI spam is plagiarism, but without a clear source, it's hard to prove. If shitting all over the tech boards isn't enough to get this user banned, reporting him feels like a waste of time. He's now on my ignore list, which makes one less user report his posts.

I have no problem if Moderators want to give someone a second chance. Even if they think someone deserves several chances, that's okay. But, it should vary from member to member. You have to see who the member is. If it's someone prominent member or someone who has the potential to contribute positively. You may give them several chances to prove themselves. I saw ETFBitcoin reported several plagiarisms of the same user and he is still doing the same shit every day.

A permanent ban is too harsh with the ban evading rule. But, when you are giving them several chances and you see he continues doing the same shit. You should think about it. If you see the same user doing it again and again, you shouldn't forgive them every time. Users like Jamesborn, Godlovesyou, and many more deserves punishment for what they doing.

[Josefjix]

For the JARPI bot, no matter how hard you spin those texts manually, they won't be original, and have you considered the amount of posts this bot will be posting per day since it triggers every time someone asks a question, or are there limitations I'm not aware of, this AI thing is getting out of hand, these tools would render some of our education sector useless, resulting in the loss of jobs if nothing is done now.

Forum Mods can update the forum rules over time, especially for AI. Some people use AI to write posts

Like Edcrypto91. I reported 4 of his posts, and 6 of them got deleted. But he didn't get banned, which is disappointing. Maybe he got a temporary ban, but I can't know that. Chat AI spam is plagiarism, but without clear source it's hard to prove. If shitting all over the tech boards isn't enough to get this user banned, reporting him feels like a waste of time. He's now on my ignore list, which makes one less user to report his posts.

You don't expect the admin to ban someone for 6 nasty posts, do you? Like you said AI written post is difficult to prove if it is plagiarism or not because it is nearly impossible to cite the main source, so they are automatically classified as spam and get deleted overtime, there are tons of users with over 100 deleted spam posts who are still here going about their unusual spamming business. Ignoring him is the best you can do in this scenario; we shouldn't make the forum tough and uncomfortable for newbies; I'm sure most of us didn't start out well, and everyone learns with time.

Remember when you asked the Admin to ban DdmrDdmr for spamming when he was a newbie? Today, he is regarded as the best thing that has ever happened to the forum. patience!

[LoyceV]

You don't expect the admin to ban someone for 6 nasty posts, do you?

The forum would be better without such users.

Remember when you asked the Admin to ban DdmrDdmr for spamming when he was a newbie?

That's a different case: DdmrDdmr's username came up in an automated search, which wasn't meant to be exhaustive. Luckily, the Mods did their checks. Around the same time hundreds of users got banned based on the list I provided.

[Josefjix]

You don't expect the admin to ban someone for 6 nasty posts, do you?

The forum would be better without such users.

That's why we have mods; report them and let them do their thing; they follow the rules; 6 ugly shit shouldn't get anyone banned.

Remember when you asked the Admin to ban DdmrDdmr for spamming when he was a newbie?

That's a different case: DdmrDdmr's username came up in an automated search, which wasn't meant to be exhaustive. Luckily, the Mods did their checks. Around the same time hundreds of users got banned based on the list I provided.

It's the same thing; you pushed hard to have everyone on that list nuked. Fortunately, the moderators did their jobs; I can't check every individual on the list, but I'm sure most became active forum users, and those who were nuked moved on to open new accounts. Nothing was solved

[NotATether]

For the JARPI bot, no matter how hard you spin those texts manually, they won't be original, and have you considered the amount of posts this bot will be posting per day since it triggers every time someone asks a question, or are there limitations I'm not aware of, this AI thing is getting out of hand, these tools would render some of our education sector useless, resulting in the loss of jobs if nothing is done now.

I haven't ran JARPI ever since the manual experiment earlier last week.

[LoyceV]

I can't check every individual on the list, but I'm sure most became active forum users

Cute. But wrong. I checked the first 10, and 9 of them have 0 posts (AKA Nuked). One of them has 580 Activity now, and 0 Merit because bounty spam isn't worth Merit.

and those who were nuked moved on to open new accounts. Nothing was solved

Hundreds of farmed account were Nuked and their IP-addresses got evil point for it. Of course there will always be spammers, but every account that gets banned is one spammer less. The fact that there's much less spam now than we had 4 years ago confirms it's working.

I'll end this discussion here. If you want to continue this, feel free to open another topic for it.

[Josefjix]

For the JARPI bot, no matter how hard you spin those texts manually, they won't be original, and have you considered the amount of posts this bot will be posting per day since it triggers every time someone asks a question, or are there limitations I'm not aware of, this AI thing is getting out of hand, these tools would render some of our education sector useless, resulting in the loss of jobs if nothing is done now.

I haven't ran JARPI ever since the manual experiment earlier last week.

Okay, what were the response speed and success rate? I appreciate the time and effort you have put into this, but I'm concerned that this bot will hijack every thread and post thousands of times per day, this is one part you are yet to address.

I can't check every individual on the list, but I'm sure most became active forum users

Cute. But wrong. I checked the first 10, and 9 of them have 0 posts (AKA Nuked). One of them has 580 Activity now, and 0 Merit because bounty spam isn't worth Merit.

How about you check all this links before ticking the wrong box for me? I bet many survived and are doing pretty good now.

and those who were nuked moved on to open new accounts. Nothing was solved

Hundreds of farmed account were Nuked and their IP-addresses got evil point for it. Of course there will always be spammers, but every account that gets banned is one spammer less. The fact that there's much less spam now than we had 4 years ago confirms it's working.

I'll end this discussion here. If you want to continue this, feel free to open another topic for it.

Aren't you the same person whitelisting them back to the forum now? how many of those users actually became big part of the forum ^{well i don't expect you to answer}

Sorry Op for going off-topic

[cafter]

I think all these is a waste of time and gain of experience for @notatether
because when a low quality thread is posted, after some minutes some users might already replied with very good answers, and your bot will post another reply which maybe a little spammy and off topic(when OP is weak in english maybe AI misunderstand it)) and answers to that thread is already humanly answered by some user with very good explanation, it may be a waste of time for you but definitely you will learn something new in this project.

My idea:
many low quality posts are posted by newbie, so we can try to tell them(by making search button bold, writing about using search button in top of the forum homepage, etc) to use the search tool for their answer. I many times used search bar and got my answer quickly without wasting others and mine time to waiting for replies.

(this was pretty good discussion to read, many other replies are all same in most of the threads)

[NotATether]

For the JARPI bot, no matter how hard you spin those texts manually, they won't be original, and have you considered the amount of posts this bot will be posting per day since it triggers every time someone asks a question, or are there limitations I'm not aware of, this AI thing is getting out of hand, these tools would render some of our education sector useless, resulting in the loss of jobs if nothing is done now.

I haven't ran JARPI ever since the manual experiment earlier last week.

Okay, what were the response speed and success rate? I appreciate the time and effort you have put into this, but I'm concerned that this bot will hijack every thread and post thousands of times per day, this is one part you are yet to address.

Well firstly, report handling times are exactly the same as manual reporting, so that's one.

I don't intend to unleash the bot on autopilot and find threads to post in on its own. Generative AI is not sophisticated enough for that yet. I would need to train a homegrown neural network on all recent Bitcointalk posts, but that is very difficult because I don't have all the posts locally (yet).

Also the bot is bottlenecked by how fast I can solve Cloudflare captchas. Maybe 10 at once before I rip my brains out.

I'm not quite sure of the resource requirements such a neural network would require, but if it's large or even possibly average, I believe it's not worth it considering the negative perception of this protocol.

[Learn Bitcoin]

Aren't you the same person whitelisting them back to the forum now? how many of those users became a big part of the forum ^{well I don't expect you to answer}

Sorry Op for going off-topic

I don't know why but I feel like you are trying to trigger him (good try). None of them are paid jobs. He is doing it voluntarily and he is not responsible for what they do after. Most of His whitelisted users doing good. He often posts the Ban %. If you are trying to trigger him, I am sorry but he is unlikely to pay attention to you as he proved himself as a thick-skinned gang leader.

About the six posts you mentioned, look at the percentage, please. If a user made ten thousand posts and has 100 deleted posts, that's nothing. It's only 1% of his posts. At the same time, if anyone writes 60 posts and 6 of them got deleted. That's ten percent of his posts. No one forcing moderators to ban them. Users reported posts and the rest of them were on Moderators. They will decide what to do.

What's the problem here?

[NotATether]

I guess now I'm going to be using JARPI as an AI-buster:

AI-generated topic
It is highly likely that the OP of this topic has created it entirely using AI such as ChatGPT. This has been verified by @NotATether who has ran the content through multiple AI detector websites. Therefore, it is recommended that this topic is locked, as no further constructive discussion can be added to this topic.

Users who see this message should report this topic to a moderator, requesting it to be locked, instead of facilitating the spread of spam.

This reply was auto-generated by JARPI, an AI protocol created by NotATether for automatically replying to frequently asked questions, and other common types of posts.

[joker_josue]

I guess now I'm going to be using JARPI as an AI-buster:

Look, I think this idea is better than answering questions!

But, based on the automatic text, I had a doubt:
Do you first manually validate the AI's suspicion and then post, or does it post automatically?
Or are you the one who suspects a topic, and puts the JARPI to analyze which then makes the post in case of a positive result?