This guy gave a whole prototype of "how live roulette scam us"

[aioc]

This is not something new I watched  Videos on Youtube three or four years ago on how offline and online casinos are manipulating the results of roulettes the manipulation is well explained, which is why I seldom play roulette, it keeps playing in my mind that there's manipulation going on on every spin, sometimes it's better not to know secrets of casinos because when you start to spin or roll you have doubts in your mind running.
And that takes away the fun of course at the back of your mind you want to be the lucky guy and win the spin but it should be coming from luck and not from manipulation.

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[CryptSafe]

I thought as much though and I also had to look at my own experience with roulette game I play. It seems there is correlation between what OP has explained and my experience.

I played this game onboard a roulette live game casino and I enjoyed the game and suddenly after some big wins, I started observing some certain changes on the roulette game I play and I noticed this precisely, after I won big, while watching the them count and pack up and after a little while after I had chat on their chat box, their staff came and started again and I placed a big bet this time before they package up which they did not spin the roulette but after the staff came out and we continued, I lost all my heavy bet for that particular set. Ever since then I noticed it I stopped playing at that casino and I also stopped playing roulette game.

[Yatsan]

Such thing is possible, remember movies wherein cheating is in form of a switch in roulettes? Quite silly but it is wlso possible. But what can we do? Move to other platforms or change the game you are playing or simply take a pause. Nit because a platform scams or fools you in roulette, it would already mean that other platforms as well would do so; roulette have not exist for years in this industry for nothing. There are people who enjoys playing it and that is I think an enough reason to not generalize. It is not on the game but on the platforms you are playing at. We just cannot order people to avoid a game just because of such possibility.

[lionheart78]

do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.

Cheating the outcome of roulette is very possible.  We can see on the video how the ball moves irregularly.  The shaking and going back of the ball while the roulette is spinning cannot be defined scientifically even with the low of motion and the inertia.  It is clear on that video that the machine is tempered.  Just like how the roulette ball move in this part of the video.  There is no way the ball can move like that even with all the small humps bumps that is within that machine.

People should avoided roulete.

And I agree but online or offline roulette has huge followers its a very old game where it is offline and online casinos' main attraction, and not many people know how manipulation is going, they still believe that if you're lucky you're going to win when actually when manipulators happen to pick your spin as the next winner.
Some players already know about the manipulation but they claim they are here for fun, so they prefer to ignore

Rigged or being that manipulated is something that would really be that different in terms of application or integration if we do speak on online or offline roulettes which we have seen on what are the things that could

be done offline.Now, we dont have the idea on what are the possible things that could be rigged up on online roulettes on how results could be altered up into their advantage.Its true that people would really be
just simply sticking out into those casinos which does have that good reputation and popularity on which they would really be instilling into their minds that they've been dealing up on a place which is something fair.

@OP had shown the explanation how the game is rigged and there are also circulating documents [1] on the internet how roulette is being rigged. We should ne very observant to check whether this kind of cheating is being made by the roulette game provider. If there is an abnormal trajectory of the movement of a ball in a roulette, it is obvious that the machine is tampered to rig the result of the game.



[1] https://www.casinonewsdaily.com/roulette-guide/rig-roulette-wheel/

[BenCodie]

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I wonder where he got this information from. quite curious about it and would have loved to read more into it if there is more.

He is probably an ex-employee who noticed irregularities and took a dive into how it might be possible. Or, he was simply in on it or told about it and is now releasing the information for the sake of his conscience.

do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.

in the video, it does look like it is possible. As for whether this is already being used by popular game providers? maybe maybe not, all really we can do is speculate, of course, unless there is solid evidence that popular game providers that you mentioned are using the technology shown in the video,

Of course it would be. Casinos are businesses with extremely low morals and ethics. Their business concept itself is exploiting human nature out of its greed and desire to gain more than what they have easily. It would be no surprise at all (in fact it should be expected) that casinos are using dirty tactics like this that people would otherwise would not know unless someone once involved/involved spoke up about it.

[tusandii]

There is a possibility that Roulette deceives players, but we cannot blindly believe the reviews given by other people, especially if it's just a narrative without any evidence.
In fact, not only in the game of Roulette but also with other games there is also the possibility of manipulation, but as long as we don't know about it and play to get pleasure from this kind of narrative, there's nothing to worry about.
Whether the game is manipulated or not, as long as we have luck, we can get victory, so playing wisely and responsibly is the right choice.
After all, in gambling, the house is a real winner, so it's impossible for the house to let players win the game so easily.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

This discussion has been made several times but what we actually never see in proof. 

I mean, when you play you always have some kind of suspicion because you never know what exactly is happening on the other side of your screen. The possibilities to cheat are endless unfortunately.

People speak about sound waves, magnets, even something like directing the ball with blows of air.
In the past I have seen some strange videos on youtube where for example the ball moved seconds after it stood still, that's very unlikely to happen.

I think the bid odds providers don't have a reason to cheat, they make enough money on the house edge, just like every casino worldwide.

What I don't know is what smaller casinos do to reach their profit targets. Behind closed doors I bet there are plenty of elaborate schemes we wouldn't even think of.

[jostorres]

So obviously all of these wins from roulette are just planted in the entire history that it exists and even if they weigh those balls it's still would have results they wanted? My life has all been a lie then. I'm not that of a roulette fan but very certain that I want to avoid this game in the future or never play at all.

Although it's true that any game can be rigged as long as that's doable, but nothing said by the guy or written in this thread is backed with any proof or data proving any actual point, this could just be a false rumor and there might be nothing like that. There can be a lot of ways for a casino to cheat their gamblers and even if they don't, people can come up with ideas themselves just like this one.

I think we shouldn't reach any conclusions from our side without getting to see or have any proof against any gambling platform that has allegedly done this with their players, and then we should decide if we want to play a game again or not.

[piebeyb]

I often see my friend playing roulette and he always tells me that this game is probably fairer than other casino games, so he never tries other casino games just sits down playing roulette and spends his time and money, but I always pay attention to him even he doesn't never won in that game, I can only say to myself and smile "the dealer will always win in any gambling game that uses machines or tools because it's easy to cheat"

I've never had a problem with playing roulette even though I'm not a fan of this game as OP said let alone offline roulette even live roulette can still be cheated and played, but I'm not a hypocrite with that even all other casino games are the same, but it depends on how we can use strategy to play and control yourself in playing, sometimes even though we feel cheated by the system at least we can control ourselves when we lose we should stop playing so we don't lose a lot of money, the usual thing to do is don't be greedy to continue playing an already strange game without winning. 

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Although it's true that any game can be rigged as long as that's doable, but nothing said by the guy or written in this thread is backed with any proof or data proving any actual point, this could just be a false rumor and there might be nothing like that. There can be a lot of ways for a casino to cheat their gamblers and even if they don't, people can come up with ideas themselves just like this one.

You think the roulette ball can not be controlled in a way the ball can be manipulated to be on certain number? With what I see, I think it is possible. But like what we have said about this, casinos and all other gambling sites have house edge, this will not make a good casino to follow this fake way because they know that they will always make money from their users. But if anyone tells me that this is not possible, I do not believe.

[Kakmakr]

I think this is a crock of sh1t.... the casino do not have to cheat, because the house edge gives them their profit. So the game dynamic already generate their profit.

The moment when someone throw a bunch of complex technical jargon around, like digital transducers etc... then you know they are trying to pull the wool over your face... and this comment sounds like that.  

[Coin_trader]

in comment of this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0rNhLySb0k

do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.

Nice thread. I'm not aware of this kind of trick because I only saw this in a movie about casino cheating and not an actual demonstration of how it works. Looking at the video makes this trick smooth and not noticeable when apply on live roulette. I rarely play roulette so this trick doesn't concern me at all. But asking if popular providers might do this is questionable because they don't have any reason to cheat on a game in that they have an advantage. They already have a huge profit from their customers that trust them. It's not worth trading those reputations over a silly cheat just to beat badly all the players that are destined to lose in the end.

Maybe this is happening with mediocre game providers and not with the popular ones. Maybe I'm wrong with this but that is what I'm holding for me to continue playing in these casinos with live games.

[Get-Paid.com]

It is not just roulette, any game can be manipulated as long as its online based

It's not just online based games, even sports games can be rigged, and normally the oddsmakers know about it way before you know it, e.g. Oakland As Cubs yesterday, an umpire calling OUT on a player on 3rd (scoring position), then calling OUT on a player for wasting time, then ejecting the coach, and then allowing the Cubs to score tons of runs (lots of questionnable calls).

As gamblers say "you have to be on the right side of the fix" but sports are rigged as well, those who say sports are not rigged have no idea what they're talking about ... and you even have articles like these:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/tennis/tennis-lifetime-match-fixing-29178013
https://igamingbusiness.com/social-responsibility/sports-integrity/french-tennis-player-banned-for-match-fixing/

Maybe the MMA is one of the more 'honest' sports out there but even there you could find some integrity issues ....

Ever seen the movie Cash (2010)? Sean Bean says in the movie a powerful thing when taking back a box full of cash from the mother: "When it comes to cash - nobody can be trusted".

[Dunamisx]

Scam in gambling exist and there's nothing to do about it, some have been existing over time while some will still come onboard which is why we also need to research very well about a casino before we can draw a conclusion on any as our preferred choice, once we get used to the routes they take to scam us the lesser gamblers fall their victim but moreover everything will still ended on taking risk in gambling.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

    -   Most of the gamblers who play roulette don't think about it anymore, as long as they enjoy themselves. Then they can't even think about it and notice it in my opinion.

Gamblers may already know that even in the casino there is manipulation going on, but they don't care about it anymore because what most gamblers have in mind is that if they bring luck they will win no matter where they bet.

[btc78]

This meaning one thing , that there are no complete trust we must give to each casino because if live gambling can be a scam then what more those online games? that we are playing against the computer?
like what you said Evolution and lightning  in which I use to favorite in live casino playing.

and the best thing to treat these kind of game? is to Enjoy and accept being a loser lol.

[Crypt0Gore]

Roulette is one of the most easiest games to play on a gambling platform, and it's all about how lucky one can be, the same as slots too, I do believe that some gambling platforms have their ways of cheating gamblers but I honestly never seen something like this before. There is nothing anyone can do to nail a scamming casino because I have never heard about a case in the court involving a gambling casino that was caught cheating.

All you can do is move away from any gambling platform that have too less luck when playing your games, do not stick with one gambling platform, try to use others because some are pure than the other, if you don't try you won't know.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

It is not just roulette, any game can be manipulated as long as its online based

It's not just online based games, even sports games can be rigged, and normally the oddsmakers know about it way before you know it, e.g. Oakland As Cubs yesterday, an umpire calling OUT on a player on 3rd (scoring position), then calling OUT on a player for wasting time, then ejecting the coach, and then allowing the Cubs to score tons of runs (lots of questionnable calls).

As gamblers say "you have to be on the right side of the fix" but sports are rigged as well, those who say sports are not rigged have no idea what they're talking about ... and you even have articles like these:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/tennis/tennis-lifetime-match-fixing-29178013
https://igamingbusiness.com/social-responsibility/sports-integrity/french-tennis-player-banned-for-match-fixing/

Maybe the MMA is one of the more 'honest' sports out there but even there you could find some integrity issues ....

ALL you said is true friend, when I said "any game can be rigged as long as it's online based," i didn't mean it from the angle you are seeing it, I actually said that based on the fact that most of us here today carry out our gambling activities mostly online..

MMA like I understand is still young in the sports industry, so it's understandable why it is still one of the most trusted sports where rigging is still very minimal...

Ever seen the movie Cash (2010)? Sean Bean says in the movie a powerful thing when taking back a box full of cash from the mother: "When it comes to cash - nobody can be trusted".

I've not seen this movie but all in all, this says it all, "when it come to cash - nobody can be trusted", really true.

[goldkingcoiner]

Physical games like live roulette are definitely too sketchy nowadays. I would rather see a digital version with open source and audited security/functionality and fairness (audited by a trustworthy third party, and not just a smart contract security audit, like certik).

But as far as the physics goes, the explanation checks out. I also think simple electromagnetic plates underneath the numbers with alternating polarity as well as magnetic field strength and a magnetic ball could be used to the same effect.

Usually this can be expected of Casinos that do not have real/any gaming licenses. Real licensed casinos would probably not rig the equipment , because if they were exposed, they would lose their gaming license and face heavy penalties.

[iv4n]

It is not just roulette, any game can be manipulated as long as its online based

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ALL you said is true friend, when I said "any game can be rigged as long as it's online based," i didn't mean it from the angle you are seeing it, I actually said that based on the fact that most of us here today carry out our gambling activities mostly online..

MMA like I understand is still young in the sports industry, so it's understandable why it is still one of the most trusted sports where rigging is still very minimal...

Ever seen the movie Cash (2010)? Sean Bean says in the movie a powerful thing when taking back a box full of cash from the mother: "When it comes to cash - nobody can be trusted".

I've not seen this movie but all in all, this says it all, "when it come to cash - nobody can be trusted", really true.

I also agree with GetPaid, every game can be rigged, and there are fixed/rigged sports and gambling games around. Some of them are so obvious like in the video shared by OP, and there are other videos I have seen. This Marrocan tennis player fixed 135 matches... crazy. That reminded me of the thread from some time ago: An obvious rigging of Sports..

And it seems that in this world everything comes down to that  "when it comes to cash - nobody can be trusted". I guess the only thing we can do is to "gamble with money we can afford to lose", so even if we get scammed it will not hurt much.