This guy gave a whole prototype of "how live roulette scam us"

[rhomelmabini]

So obviously all of these wins from roulette are just planted in the entire history that it exists and even if they weigh those balls it's still would have results they wanted? My life has all been a lie then. I'm not that of a roulette fan but very certain that I want to avoid this game in the future or never play at all.

Many will still ask for a proof and they will not believe on this easily, well this is how gambling works and even the top site have their own hidden strategy to get more wins over the gamblers. If you want to fee that you are safe from any cheating then play on physical casinos with the card games. Playing with slots are also possible to get cheated, just try to have fun and try to unseen this.

To conclude it then, is that they all cheat? Well, it would be luck then if you win on their games, sad that this is already going around but I think this may not stop those who really wants to gamble even if the risk of getting cheated is there. I think card games are way more honest or I'll just stay on sports betting.

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[Porfirii]

So obviously all of these wins from roulette are just planted in the entire history that it exists and even if they weigh those balls it's still would have results they wanted? My life has all been a lie then. I'm not that of a roulette fan but very certain that I want to avoid this game in the future or never play at all.

Many will still ask for a proof and they will not believe on this easily, well this is how gambling works and even the top site have their own hidden strategy to get more wins over the gamblers. If you want to fee that you are safe from any cheating then play on physical casinos with the card games. Playing with slots are also possible to get cheated, just try to have fun and try to unseen this.

To conclude it then, is that they all cheat? Well, it would be luck then if you win on their games, sad that this is already going around but I think this may not stop those who really wants to gamble even if the risk of getting cheated is there. I think card games are way more honest or I'll just stay on sports betting.

I suppose that manipulations are also possible in card games. In fact, if we are talking about very slight differences in physics (ceramics, aleations...) which can decisively vary the output in order to favour the house, anything is possible.

I cannot assess whether the information given in this video is real. I have not the expertise to do that, nor access to the system in order to make the experiment myself. So, although the scam is ideally possible, how probable is it?

Roulette as a system is already built in order to be profitable for the casino, and it is legal. Building and using fake roulettes is definitely illegal and the owner could end in jail if found guilty, so I don't think it is worth the risk. Anyway, it is also true that greed knows no limits sometimes.

[Get-Paid.com]

I also agree with GetPaid, every game can be rigged, and there are fixed/rigged sports and gambling games around. Some of them are so obvious like in the video shared by OP

Thanks, you can watch from 03:06 here the highlights, this is where the umpires started "siding" with the cubs, no one even mentions this in the comments, but whoever watched the full game can see how the umpires started siding with the Cubs, including weird "Strike" calls against the As and lots of "Balls" for the Cubs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPQ97ZpCKrU

Also see it for yourself, how many "Walks" the umpires gave the Cubs on the 6th to allow them to win:

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/cubs-vs-athletics/2023/04/19/718506/final/wrap/all



You can also look at it from a different angle - so many times in the MLB the game "all of a sudden" gets decided in the 4th/5th/6th inning where one team is scoring many runs due to the umpires or a "bad" pitcher. As if in the first 4 innings they take more and more and more live bets and then - boom, here's your "winner" (or very poor odds for the next move). You can look at it from many angles - bottom line is:

The way "Professional" sports are being played today makes 0 sense, in the NBA the game could go "under" for 3.5 quarters and then in the last 6 minutes they can foul each other and score 70+ points or the opposite, the sports as it is nowadays makes 0 sense.

Again, lots of people are attacking such statements in order to protect the credibility of sports, and being in several NBA games - the event itself is fun, absolutely, especially if you don't bet on it, lots of music and entertainment besides the game itself (timeouts are more fun than the game itself) - but the credibility of what's happening? It just doesn't feel right.

It's like this roulette scam - feels like even in sports the result should be 10 but "suddenly" it is moved to be 31, so the same thing can happen and will happen not only in small leagues but also in the big leagues - in fact, if you really know how to "read" those things - by all means bet on it, make your fortune by siding with these crooks lol.

[lionheart78]

I think the bid odds providers don't have a reason to cheat, they make enough money on the house edge, just like every casino worldwide.

They won't be making any profit if the player doesn't lose.  The house edge is there to give an advantage to the house to win and it does not earn money for itself especially when the player is winning.  So there is really a major reason for those cheaters to act illegaly so that they can 100% sure that players will lose.

What I don't know is what smaller casinos do to reach their profit targets. Behind closed doors I bet there are plenty of elaborate schemes we wouldn't even think of.

Obviously honest small casinos will go for marketing and advertisement in order to gather more players to play on their platform.  They will implement strategy that will boost the platform exposure but obviously, fraud gambling casinos will cheat in order to get money from unsuspecting players.

It is not just roulette, any game can be manipulated as long as its online based

It's not just online based games, even sports games can be rigged, and normally the oddsmakers know about it way before you know it, e.g. Oakland As Cubs yesterday, an umpire calling OUT on a player on 3rd (scoring position), then calling OUT on a player for wasting time, then ejecting the coach, and then allowing the Cubs to score tons of runs (lots of questionnable calls).

There are lots of cases where sports game results are rigged.  It has been happening since when we are yet to be born in this world.  Even the internet can show lots of these cases just like this youtube videos compilation of 10 rigged moments in sports.

[rodskee]

This is the sad reality in gambling that the team or the company will always win and we as gamblers are being fooled many times , so if you are not willing to lose and be taken your money then dont gamble at all.

Roulette is one of the most easiest games to play on a gambling platform, and it's all about how lucky one can be, the same as slots too, I do believe that some gambling platforms have their ways of cheating gamblers but I honestly never seen something like this before. There is nothing anyone can do to nail a scamming casino because I have never heard about a case in the court involving a gambling casino that was caught cheating.

All you can do is move away from any gambling platform that have too less luck when playing your games, do not stick with one gambling platform, try to use others because some are pure than the other, if you don't try you won't know.

while it is easy , that is also being use for abused like this.

[ethereumhunter]

This is the sad reality in gambling that the team or the company will always win and we as gamblers are being fooled many times , so if you are not willing to lose and be taken your money then dont gamble at all.

All you can do is move away from any gambling platform that have too less luck when playing your games, do not stick with one gambling platform, try to use others because some are pure than the other, if you don't try you won't know.

while it is easy , that is also being use for abused like this.

Never gamble if you don't want to lose is the best advice. But the problem is that many people play gambling at first out of curiosity and after playing gambling several times, they become addicted and become more aggressive in gambling. They also deposit larger amounts of money than before and are tempted to keep playing so they can win.

And we also don't know when we can get lucky. But we can have accounts on many gambling platforms and play gambling on each account regularly because our luck will come at one of these casinos.

[Johnyz]

This is the sad reality in gambling that the team or the company will always win and we as gamblers are being fooled many times , so if you are not willing to lose and be taken your money then dont gamble at all.

All you can do is move away from any gambling platform that have too less luck when playing your games, do not stick with one gambling platform, try to use others because some are pure than the other, if you don't try you won't know.

while it is easy , that is also being use for abused like this.

Never gamble if you don't want to lose is the best advice. But the problem is that many people play gambling at first out of curiosity and after playing gambling several times, they become addicted and become more aggressive in gambling. They also deposit larger amounts of money than before and are tempted to keep playing so they can win.

And we also don't know when we can get lucky. But we can have accounts on many gambling platforms and play gambling on each account regularly because our luck will come at one of these casinos.

Shifting to other gambling sight can't increase your chance of winning, because most probably they are being run with the same purpose, which is to make money for the casinos. Well, this might be a big exploitations but who will believe on this? Is this enough to stop gamblers from playing on such game? Seriously I don't think this one will count, gamblers will still paly that game for some reason, its hard to accept the truth for most of the addicted gamblers.

[Cling18]

This is the sad reality in gambling that the team or the company will always win and we as gamblers are being fooled many times , so if you are not willing to lose and be taken your money then dont gamble at all.

All you can do is move away from any gambling platform that have too less luck when playing your games, do not stick with one gambling platform, try to use others because some are pure than the other, if you don't try you won't know.

while it is easy , that is also being use for abused like this.

Never gamble if you don't want to lose is the best advice. But the problem is that many people play gambling at first out of curiosity and after playing gambling several times, they become addicted and become more aggressive in gambling. They also deposit larger amounts of money than before and are tempted to keep playing so they can win.

And we also don't know when we can get lucky. But we can have accounts on many gambling platforms and play gambling on each account regularly because our luck will come at one of these casinos.

Shifting to other gambling sight can't increase your chance of winning, because most probably they are being run with the same purpose, which is to make money for the casinos. Well, this might be a big exploitations but who will believe on this? Is this enough to stop gamblers from playing on such game? Seriously I don't think this one will count, gamblers will still paly that game for some reason, its hard to accept the truth for most of the addicted gamblers.

Let's just accept the fact that the goal of casinos is to make money and keep their business running and yes, despite these manipulation and cheating issues, gamblers will still play and gamble. Being addicted to gambling is a personal choice though it is the main problem of many gamblers nowadays. Roulette is also addictive so no wonder why there are still lots of roulette players despite the doubts and controversies.

[Haunebu]

Some casinos definitely cheat in creative ways in order to make sure that their business stays in profit overall, but they are part of the minority these days thanks to all the licensing authorities, anti-cheat protocols etc.

This kind of stuff just adds an extra layer of risk on top of all the risks involved with gambling.

These issues are usually prevalent in new and small casinos for obvious reasons. This is why research is crucial before investing in any casino(Online and Offline).

[Hispo]

These issues are usually prevalent in new and small casinos for obvious reasons. This is why research is crucial before investing in any casino(Online and Offline).

Correct, also it is worth mentioning that those casinos which are small or new (founded with not much capital) are more likely to use unrefined cheating techniques than those described by OP (from the youtube comments), and so easier to spot by gamblers.

We can talk about high technology materials and computer guided roulettes, but effectively and stealthy using those things can be very expensive and risky (for obvious reasons). Big casinos which could easily cheat do not do that because it is not worth it to burn their reputation and open themselves to lawsuits, they are already profitable. Small shady casinos may try to use some hidden magnets instead all of that. 

[serjent05]

This is the sad reality in gambling that the team or the company will always win and we as gamblers are being fooled many times , so if you are not willing to lose and be taken your money then dont gamble at all.

All you can do is move away from any gambling platform that have too less luck when playing your games, do not stick with one gambling platform, try to use others because some are pure than the other, if you don't try you won't know.

while it is easy , that is also being use for abused like this.

Never gamble if you don't want to lose is the best advice. But the problem is that many people play gambling at first out of curiosity and after playing gambling several times, they become addicted and become more aggressive in gambling. They also deposit larger amounts of money than before and are tempted to keep playing so they can win.

And sadly some casinos cheat players by implementing modified higher house edge games and others even rigged machines or cheat players with a fast hand host just like this video[1].  In a normal gameplay, casino had already the edge but some shady casinos even pump that edge higher by doing illegal stuff to assure that their player will lost 100%

And we also don't know when we can get lucky. But we can have accounts on many gambling platforms and play gambling on each account regularly because our luck will come at one of these casinos.

True that, if we are not lucky in one gambling platform, we can check our luck on another platform.  Since gambling games have random result, it is logical to try our luck in another platform.


[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PGasgpAJ1o

[John Abraham]

Such thing is possible, remember movies wherein cheating is in form of a switch in roulettes? Quite silly but it is wlso possible. But what can we do? Move to other platforms or change the game you are playing or simply take a pause. Nit because a platform scams or fools you in roulette, it would already mean that other platforms as well would do so; roulette have not exist for years in this industry for nothing. There are people who enjoys playing it and that is I think an enough reason to not generalize. It is not on the game but on the platforms you are playing at. We just cannot order people to avoid a game just because of such possibility.

An Average Joe can't find out if some specific games are rigged. Highly experienced players who do some research can find out which one is rigged. I would appreciate it if someone could find them with proof and expose them. If such a thing is possible, as shown in the video, here is something to worry about. Every game is not rigged. The Platform behind it is doing such a thing.

The Youtube Channel RouletteMan shared the video. So, they must be experienced, and if they are aware of such things, Why don't they expose such platforms? Or they are making money from them too? If you know which one is rigged, suggest which one is not. So we can play on a fair platform.

I am worried now. Roulette is one of the most played games. It's been around since the 18th century. I don't know if there were some kind of cheating back then. I don't play Roulette that much. But, This game has a huge fanbase.

[Haunebu]

Why don't they expose such platforms? Or they are making money from them too? If you know which one is rigged, suggest which one is not. So we can play on a fair platform.

You need to do your own research instead of relying on others. Some of these youtubers do expose scams while some others work with scam sites in order to lure in naive gamblers to those platforms.

I am worried now. Roulette is one of the most played games. It's been around since the 18th century. I don't know if there were some kind of cheating back then. I don't play Roulette that much. But, This game has a huge fanbase.

Chill. These cheating strategies are used rarely these days in less popular casinos which is why most roulette tables are legit.

[tusandii]

Why don't they expose such platforms? Or they are making money from them too? If you know which one is rigged, suggest which one is not. So we can play on a fair platform.

You need to do your own research instead of relying on others. Some of these youtubers do expose scams while some others work with scam sites in order to lure in naive gamblers to those platforms.

True, friends, some people do it for work and get some money from the casino he is promoting and some others expose scam casinos to remind gamblers not to become victims and can also take advantage of the scam casino's reputation to attract gamblers to have more trust in the casino he has to offer.

I am worried now. Roulette is one of the most played games. It's been around since the 18th century. I don't know if there were some kind of cheating back then. I don't play Roulette that much. But, This game has a huge fanbase.

Chill. These cheating strategies are used rarely these days in less popular casinos which is why most roulette tables are legit.

If we think and do all the research to find fraudulent strategies carried out by casinos, there will be many acts of manipulation and fraud carried out by most unpopular casinos.

[wxa7115]

I am worried now. Roulette is one of the most played games. It's been around since the 18th century. I don't know if there were some kind of cheating back then. I don't play Roulette that much. But, This game has a huge fanbase.

It is unlikely there was too much cheating on the early days of the roulette as the proposed method on the OP is very complex and could only be achieved with the use of modern technology, and even then I doubt there are many casinos which are doing something like this, because if they were discovered then no one will ever play there.

Cheating on the old days most likely was done in gambling games like blackjack or baccarat, as sleights of hand which are completely imperceptible to the eye have existed for a very long time.

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It is unlikely there was too much cheating on the early days of the roulette as the proposed method on the OP is very complex and could only be achieved with the use of modern technology, and even then I doubt there are many casinos which are doing something like this, because if they were discovered then no one will ever play there.

It is better we use a good casino. You said the cheating can be achieved with the use of modern technology? A remote can be used to control TV channels and TV itself, how much are the remotes sold? Not costly at all but cheap to afford. We are in a modern world too, not old era.

But as I was watching the YouTube video, it is like the ball moved abnormally which can make me suspect cheating.

Cheating on the old days most likely was done in gambling games like blackjack or baccarat, as sleights of hand which are completely imperceptible to the eye have existed for a very long time.

Even it is possible that cheating can occur on real life roulette table. Only sport that I know that cheating may not occur, and that is when you go for big leagues that can not be fixed and manipulated. But I still prefer casinos as they have far bigger odds.

[paxmao]

So obviously all of these wins from roulette are just planted in the entire history that it exists and even if they weigh those balls it's still would have results they wanted? My life has all been a lie then. I'm not that of a roulette fan but very certain that I want to avoid this game in the future or never play at all.

Many will still ask for a proof and they will not believe on this easily, well this is how gambling works and even the top site have their own hidden strategy to get more wins over the gamblers. If you want to fee that you are safe from any cheating then play on physical casinos with the card games. Playing with slots are also possible to get cheated, just try to have fun and try to unseen this.

To conclude it then, is that they all cheat? Well, it would be luck then if you win on their games, sad that this is already going around but I think this may not stop those who really wants to gamble even if the risk of getting cheated is there. I think card games are way more honest or I'll just stay on sports betting.

Sounds like bad publicity. I do remember a group of people who were able to cheat on the casinos on the roulette. They made stats on where the ball fell and detected roulettes that had a slight tendency to make the ball fall on certain areas and they bet on these. They eventually got caught, but not before they got a very good retunr on their idea. I guess this is the opposite digital case.

[bitbollo]

unless there is a trusted third part that would made some evaluation about roulette and relative ball used yes... it could be potentially possible any kind of manipulation.
But in a certain way, I think it's not the main intention of casino, just because...this is a game with an house edge and casino will end in a profit if people continue to play...
moreover potentially any casino games could be rigged, that's why I say each play carefully only for fun and with an amount that people could afford to loss!

[dezoel]

Some casinos definitely cheat in creative ways in order to make sure that their business stays in profit overall, but they are part of the minority these days thanks to all the licensing authorities, anti-cheat protocols etc.

This kind of stuff just adds an extra layer of risk on top of all the risks involved with gambling.

These issues are usually prevalent in new and small casinos for obvious reasons. This is why research is crucial before investing in any casino(Online and Offline).

Do you really think that the licensing authorities check every casino registered with them to see if they are cheating their players or not internally? There is no chance for that, they are probably too busy with other stuff and don't really investigate a casino internally unless there are so many complaints received, I'm not even sure if they give any attention to user complaints or not.

If a casino is cheating their players with techniques such as the one described by OP, it's only the players that can make a change for it if they come to know about it, they can boycott the casino and spread the word around so that everyone else does that too.

[ethereumhunter]

Shifting to other gambling sight can't increase your chance of winning, because most probably they are being run with the same purpose, which is to make money for the casinos. Well, this might be a big exploitations but who will believe on this? Is this enough to stop gamblers from playing on such game? Seriously I don't think this one will count, gamblers will still paly that game for some reason, its hard to accept the truth for most of the addicted gamblers.

Maybe we won't have a better chance by switching to another gambling platform, but at least we can get a different experience and taste that we might not have found in a casino before. It also helps us to refresh our minds because we have experienced the experience of losing in casinos before. But we will never know what is in the mind of each gambler. Like me, sometimes I move to another casino to see the promotions in other casinos and maybe deposit some money and play some gambling in that casino. The results may remain the same because, in gambling games, it depends on our luck with us.

Never gamble if you don't want to lose is the best advice. But the problem is that many people play gambling at first out of curiosity and after playing gambling several times, they become addicted and become more aggressive in gambling. They also deposit larger amounts of money than before and are tempted to keep playing so they can win.

And sadly some casinos cheat players by implementing modified higher house edge games and others even rigged machines or cheat players with a fast hand host just like this video[1].  In a normal gameplay, casino had already the edge but some shady casinos even pump that edge higher by doing illegal stuff to assure that their player will lost 100%

If the casino cheats on the player, maybe the player should find another casino that won't cheat him. And I think the player's feeling of whether the game is cheating him or not can feel it so that the player can know what to do. An experienced gambler would know because he could feel it. But the real concern is with beginners, who are inexperienced in finding honest casinos.