This guy gave a whole prototype of "how live roulette scam us"

[Haunebu]

Do you really think that the licensing authorities check every casino registered with them to see if they are cheating their players or not internally? There is no chance for that, they are probably too busy with other stuff and don't really investigate a casino internally unless there are so many complaints received, I'm not even sure if they give any attention to user complaints or not.

You do have a point here. Licensing authorities won't be able to check everything properly, but they still check thoroughly these days which is better than the authorities in the past who hardly checked anything.

Also, the scammy roulette tables are few and far in between since most casinos avoid taking such crazy risks for quick profits.

[Hamphser]

Do you really think that the licensing authorities check every casino registered with them to see if they are cheating their players or not internally? There is no chance for that, they are probably too busy with other stuff and don't really investigate a casino internally unless there are so many complaints received, I'm not even sure if they give any attention to user complaints or not.

You do have a point here. Licensing authorities won't be able to check everything properly, but they still check thoroughly these days which is better than the authorities in the past who hardly checked anything.

Also, the scammy roulette tables are few and far in between since most casinos avoid taking such crazy risks for quick profits.

And checking is something that would really be that in surprise and not something that would be announced earlier because it would be pointless because on the time that these shady casinos or to those who do
loved to rigged out their games would be able to hide those shady stuffs which they've been using on rigging up the game which means that if the authorities would be making out some inspection then they wouldnt find anything and would considered for the platform or company to be fair and safe and when theyre gone then adding it up again and starting on ripping off their users.
Also other possible thing is that they might be easily to bribe officials on skipping and just like nothing happened.

[jostorres]

It is unlikely there was too much cheating on the early days of the roulette as the proposed method on the OP is very complex and could only be achieved with the use of modern technology, and even then I doubt there are many casinos which are doing something like this, because if they were discovered then no one will ever play there.

It is better we use a good casino. You said the cheating can be achieved with the use of modern technology? A remote can be used to control TV channels and TV itself, how much are the remotes sold? Not costly at all but cheap to afford. We are in a modern world too, not old era.

But as I was watching the YouTube video, it is like the ball moved abnormally which can make me suspect cheating.

What's the connection of that with a TV? And how can a casino use a TV to cheat its players? They require computer systems and programs, etc. And it's not even proven correct but it's just a concept explained by someone without any authentic proof or anything. I personally have never heard of anything like that, and I don't think it could have been hidden for so long if it was true.

Cheating in sports can't be done by the casino, though they can play with the odds irregularly, customers will surely notice that, and if a sportsbook is once caught cheating, no one will ever place any bets with them again.

[Dunamisx]

It is unlikely there was too much cheating on the early days of the roulette as the proposed method on the OP is very complex and could only be achieved with the use of modern technology, and even then I doubt there are many casinos which are doing something like this, because if they were discovered then no one will ever play there.

It is better we use a good casino. You said the cheating can be achieved with the use of modern technology? A remote can be used to control TV channels and TV itself, how much are the remotes sold? Not costly at all but cheap to afford. We are in a modern world too, not old era.

But as I was watching the YouTube video, it is like the ball moved abnormally which can make me suspect cheating.

Cheating on the old days most likely was done in gambling games like blackjack or baccarat, as sleights of hand which are completely imperceptible to the eye have existed for a very long time.

Even it is possible that cheating can occur on real life roulette table. Only sport that I know that cheating may not occur, and that is when you go for big leagues that can not be fixed and manipulated. But I still prefer casinos as they have far bigger odds.

There are somethings we need to pay a very careful attention to while gambling, user's experience which us very important because when they don't get their desired need meant, they will not return again, when a casino or slot game tend to have tendencies for scam or gamblers begin to suspect some unusual activities from what they offer, they take a leave because they get scammed, thesame way gamblers scam them they also scam gamblers if they got hacked or loose control of their security against scam.

[Saint-loup]

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in comment of this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0rNhLySb0k

do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.

This video is interesting but they don't tell where come from those footages. I'm sorry but if they've found that a live casino provider is cheating players they have to clearly say who is it. They can't just suggest things. I wouldn't be surprised if a small land-based casino was rigging its games despite the house edge giving them a guaranteed income actually, but I highly doubt a big casino provider could do it, because it would be a suicide. Millions of players are gambling at those casinos around the world and can record their games. And in addition of instantly killing their business and having to close their doors they would have to face lawsuits from the online casinos they are working with, along with the final customers.

[DoublerHunter]

Do you really think that the licensing authorities check every casino registered with them to see if they are cheating their players or not internally? There is no chance for that, they are probably too busy with other stuff and don't really investigate a casino internally unless there are so many complaints received, I'm not even sure if they give any attention to user complaints or not.

You do have a point here. Licensing authorities won't be able to check everything properly, but they still check thoroughly these days which is better than the authorities in the past who hardly checked anything.

Also, the scammy roulette tables are few and far in between since most casinos avoid taking such crazy risks for quick profits.

^But still safe for me to use a licensed gambling casino.
There is possible that with the advancement of technology and the internet, licensing authorities are now able to monitor online casinos more closely, which has helped to improve the overall safety and security of the industry. I watched the video and it seems that is true I don't have an idea what casino it is, so possible someone casino risking their licensure because of this scamming activity.

[serjent05]

Some casinos definitely cheat in creative ways in order to make sure that their business stays in profit overall, but they are part of the minority these days thanks to all the licensing authorities, anti-cheat protocols etc.

This kind of stuff just adds an extra layer of risk on top of all the risks involved with gambling.

These issues are usually prevalent in new and small casinos for obvious reasons. This is why research is crucial before investing in any casino(Online and Offline).

Do you really think that the licensing authorities check every casino registered with them to see if they are cheating their players or not internally? There is no chance for that, they are probably too busy with other stuff and don't really investigate a casino internally unless there are so many complaints received, I'm not even sure if they give any attention to user complaints or not.

They do check the platform if it is in compliance with their standard.  I also believe game providers are also checked if they are implementing the standard.  It maybe happen rarely but I think regulatory board does checks for audits and other purposes. 

If a casino is cheating their players with techniques such as the one described by OP, it's only the players that can make a change for it if they come to know about it, they can boycott the casino and spread the word around so that everyone else does that too.

Players can file a complaint to the authority.  If the casino is proven guilty they can be fined or revoked their license and forbid them to operate.  In short... depending on the severity of the offense, the casino might be take down by the regulatory board.

Do you really think that the licensing authorities check every casino registered with them to see if they are cheating their players or not internally? There is no chance for that, they are probably too busy with other stuff and don't really investigate a casino internally unless there are so many complaints received, I'm not even sure if they give any attention to user complaints or not.

You do have a point here. Licensing authorities won't be able to check everything properly, but they still check thoroughly these days which is better than the authorities in the past who hardly checked anything.

Also, the scammy roulette tables are few and far in between since most casinos avoid taking such crazy risks for quick profits.

^But still safe for me to use a licensed gambling casino.
There is possible that with the advancement of technology and the internet, licensing authorities are now able to monitor online casinos more closely, which has helped to improve the overall safety and security of the industry. I watched the video and it seems that is true I don't have an idea what casino it is, so possible someone casino risking their licensure because of this scamming activity.

I agree, it is much safer to use a licensed casino than a reputable non-licence casino because the latter is not bound by the law.

[dezoel]

These issues are usually prevalent in new and small casinos for obvious reasons. This is why research is crucial before investing in any casino(Online and Offline).

Correct, also it is worth mentioning that those casinos which are small or new (founded with not much capital) are more likely to use unrefined cheating techniques than those described by OP (from the youtube comments), and so easier to spot by gamblers.

We can talk about high technology materials and computer guided roulettes, but effectively and stealthy using those things can be very expensive and risky (for obvious reasons). Big casinos which could easily cheat do not do that because it is not worth it to burn their reputation and open themselves to lawsuits, they are already profitable. Small shady casinos may try to use some hidden magnets instead all of that. 

They didn't mention a specific casino which means they are referring to all (old or new, famous or not famous). It's normal for a new casino to have a limited capital but there are new casinos who prepared really well because they already have a bigger capital on them. I believe it's not about the capital but even if the casino has a big capital, it is still possible for them to scam their users.

A big capital can only be use as a prop for the players to gain confidence about them. Big established casinos don't need to cheat because they are earning enough already. There are people who play live games thinking they are fairer but it's actually the opposite if the theory is true.

[Outhue]

I find it hard to believe that online casinos are 100% clean of cheating, I know that most licensed online casinos have audited games by third-party auditors but still, I wonder why many lose more than they make actually, they claim their games are probably fair like many are saying but it doesn't look that way to me.

It looks like the fairness is only in the favor of the casino owners and not the gamblers, I would rather open my own line gambling business and companies around the country than use my hard-earned money to gamble from time to time.

I still gamble, but not every time like most people, it's more like a lucky game to me which makes me less active with gambling, now I play twice a week and that's it, even if I lost twice in the week, I won't try again until the following week.

[Saint-loup]

I agree, it is much safer to use a licensed casino than a reputable non-licence casino because the latter is not bound by the law.

It depends on the issuer of the license and on the gambling authorities monitoring the compliance with the requirements of the license. So if the casino is licensed in an european, north american, or even a small western country you can be rather confident but if its license comes from a carribean or a small latin american country, I don't think it's highly relevant to consider it as more trustworthy than a reputable non-licensed casino, because it's more likely to avoid any trouble if it pays the price to the good guy.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

^But still safe for me to use a licensed gambling casino.
There is possible that with the advancement of technology and the internet, licensing authorities are now able to monitor online casinos more closely, which has helped to improve the overall safety and security of the industry. I watched the video and it seems that is true I don't have an idea what casino it is, so possible someone casino risking their licensure because of this scamming activity.

I agree, it is much safer to use a licensed casino than a reputable non-licence casino because the latter is not bound by the law.
It depends on the issuer of the license and on the gambling authorities monitoring the compliance with the requirements of the license. So if the casino is licensed in an european, north american, or even a small western country you can be rather confident but if its license comes from a carribean or a small latin american country, I don't think it's highly relevant to consider it as more trustworthy than a reputable non-licensed casino, because it's more likely to avoid any trouble if it pays the price to the good guy.

You are right, there are really some licenses that are  meaningless, I guess this is one of the reasons why sometimes, will still see some casino believed to be operating under a license, scamming its users,

I don't really know much about different jurisdictions and how they run their licensing system, but like you said, casinos operating with licenses obtained from jurisdiction where its license is meaningless, such casino shouldn't be considered as a casino operating under a license, for such casino, a reputable casino with no license is better I believe.

[Hispo]

These issues are usually prevalent in new and small casinos for obvious reasons. This is why research is crucial before investing in any casino(Online and Offline).

Correct, also it is worth mentioning that those casinos which are small or new (founded with not much capital) are more likely to use unrefined cheating techniques than those described by OP (from the youtube comments), and so easier to spot by gamblers.

We can talk about high technology materials and computer guided roulettes, but effectively and stealthy using those things can be very expensive and risky (for obvious reasons). Big casinos which could easily cheat do not do that because it is not worth it to burn their reputation and open themselves to lawsuits, they are already profitable. Small shady casinos may try to use some hidden magnets instead all of that. 

They didn't mention a specific casino which means they are referring to all (old or new, famous or not famous). It's normal for a new casino to have a limited capital but there are new casinos who prepared really well because they already have a bigger capital on them. I believe it's not about the capital but even if the casino has a big capital, it is still possible for them to scam their users.

A big capital can only be use as a prop for the players to gain confidence about them. Big established casinos don't need to cheat because they are earning enough already. There are people who play live games thinking they are fairer but it's actually the opposite if the theory is true.

But big casinos and those that actually have big capital are the ones which do not need to cheat on the games, being legitimate it is profitable for them and they would lose their income if they were caught doing it anyways.

If you want my personal opinion, those casinos which are the most likely to cheat on their gamblers are the ones who do not have a long time in the industry nor a history of good reputation and paying their gamblers and at the same time, they are small enough to not catch the attention on authorities.

See, a casino is supposed to have a big enough bankroll to cover the possible wins of their gamblers, if a casino is small and still allows people to wager beyond their entire value as business, then it is a red flag.

[o48o]

Of course that's possible but i wonder what's the reason for risking it as it would need one pair of loose lips to "sink ships". Meaning that this would be hard to keep hidden. People talk when they are drunk and this is a multimillion or if not billion dollar industry that's usually heavily audited. Press would be interested and definitely would pay those underpaid workers more then there salary to give up any dirt on this system.

That comment doesn't really convince me any more then the fact we all know that there's a possibility they cheat. In fact that level of details just sounds like some engineer wanted attention and wanted to show off how he would do it.

[khaled0111]

The guy's explanation is really convincing and I'm certain many live games are rigged, the problem is how to prove it!
Personally, I avoid playing games where I can't verify the results by myself. I either play provably fair games or sports betting and bet only on major leagues where there is a small chance for match fixing.
If you are a fun of live games then, at least, stick to the one from reputable providers.

[John Abraham]

It is unlikely there was too much cheating on the early days of the roulette as the proposed method on the OP is very complex and could only be achieved with the use of modern technology,

I think so. The roulette game has been on the market since the 18th century. But we don't know for how long we using modern technology roulette. We don't know who has invented such cheating methods. How long have they done it? We have been in the modern industry for a long time now. Must be over 20 years? Imagine they have been cheating for 20 years, which is a long time, and you don't know.

and even then I doubt there are many casinos which are doing something like this, because if they were discovered then no one will ever play there.

They know the risk as well. But, if they use it for a couple of months, they already made more than they can make in a calendar year. It's always hard to make money in a legit way. Once they know they can cheat players, they will continue doing it until people catch them doing shit. So, they still do it knowing that they can get busted.

Cheating on the old days most likely was done in gambling games like blackjack or baccarat, as sleights of hand which are completely imperceptible to the eye have existed for a very long time.

I've never been to a casino physically. So, I don't know what are they doing there. But, if they have a chance to cheat, of course, they will take the chance. I believe online casinos have more chances to cheat compared to offline physical casinos.

[tusandii]

The guy's explanation is really convincing and I'm certain many live games are rigged, the problem is how to prove it!
Personally, I avoid playing games where I can't verify the results by myself. I either play provably fair games or sports betting and bet only on major leagues where there is a small chance for match fixing.
If you are a fun of live games then, at least, stick to the one from reputable providers.

Yes, no one can prove that live games are cheating because gamblers can only watch live in an online casino.
Maybe those who have worked at a live game provider can say that there is an act of cheating, but we don't know how it actually happened.
Actually, what you said is better to bet on games that are proven fair and on sports betting in the premier league, but what type of game can prove fair because in my opinion all games are equal and are controlled by the house so it's difficult for us to win.

[Rruchi man]

do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.

Cheating is always possible by casino's whether offline or online. Casino owners are always exposed to ways to manipulate games to their favor, the decision to cheat is their choice to make and that will then depend on the management of the casino. If the management is made up of individuals who are not greedy and have integrity in business, they will always keep the games fair even though they know that they can cheat.

I believe online casinos have more chances to cheat compared to offline physical casinos.

You can be cheated in offline casino's right in front of your eyes, and you will never know.

[Mahanton]

The guy's explanation is really convincing and I'm certain many live games are rigged, the problem is how to prove it!
Personally, I avoid playing games where I can't verify the results by myself. I either play provably fair games or sports betting and bet only on major leagues where there is a small chance for match fixing.
If you are a fun of live games then, at least, stick to the one from reputable providers.

Yes, no one can prove that live games are cheating because gamblers can only watch live in an online casino.
Maybe those who have worked at a live game provider can say that there is an act of cheating, but we don't know how it actually happened.
Actually, what you said is better to bet on games that are proven fair and on sports betting in the premier league, but what type of game can prove fair because in my opinion all games are equal and are controlled by the house so it's difficult for us to win.

Really hard to give some fight or proving out if there would be some odd activity or outcomes or results on the time you do notice it out.There's no way you could prove out that they are making use of the same method.
Unless if you are really that playing locally or physically on which it would really be just that possibly be that obvious if they are applying out this rigging up on game. Now that its been exposed, then we do really think
that they wont really be making out some adjustment or creating something new method which arent known or exposed into the public or gamblers. They've been here on this market for decades or for too long in speaking about the existence. No one had the guts or courage on saying about on what they've been doing and now we do see some video in telling that they rigging up the games or rolls when it comes to roulette.

If we do really look at it then those ball bounces are indeed that shady, you could be able to spot out about that ball on sticking into a particular spot once the trigger or button had been pressed.
Somehow we are all just trying to observe out specially when playing on physical casinos but if not then there's no way on telling it specially when you are in front
of your computer or pc.

[wxa7115]

Cheating on the old days most likely was done in gambling games like blackjack or baccarat, as sleights of hand which are completely imperceptible to the eye have existed for a very long time.

I've never been to a casino physically. So, I don't know what are they doing there. But, if they have a chance to cheat, of course, they will take the chance. I believe online casinos have more chances to cheat compared to offline physical casinos.

Even now you can see some of the old methods being used to prevent cheating as part of the games of today, an example of this is found in Texas holdem, have you ever wondered why the dealer burns cards or to put it more bluntly why the dealer discards the top card of the deck when dealing the flop, the turn or the river?

This is done to avoid cheaters marking cards and obtaining an unfair advantage over other players, and even today when you are playing online this practice is still in place, so in a way cheating has changed the games we love and it has make them the way they are.

[klidex]

The guy's explanation is really convincing and I'm certain many live games are rigged, the problem is how to prove it!
Personally, I avoid playing games where I can't verify the results by myself. I either play provably fair games or sports betting and bet only on major leagues where there is a small chance for match fixing.
If you are a fun of live games then, at least, stick to the one from reputable providers.

I agree with you choosing to bet on types of bets that can be calculated by yourself, the results like sports betting will be better.
Yes there may be some manipulation on sports betting but it is very rare and betting on sports betting is one way to keep gambling safe.