Changed language in history. Bought? Hacked?

[lovesmayfamilis]

 Account  martyns
https://ninjastic.space/user/martyns

https://bpip.org/Profile?p=martyns



From the very beginning of his registration, he wrote posts exclusively in Indonesian.

https://ninjastic.space/search?author=martyns&board=192
https://ninjastic.space/search?author=martyns&board=191

But in 2022, posts are written in English and in the Nigerian local section, while there is a placement gap of 4 years..


https://ninjastic.space/search?author=martyns&board=275

How will the forum react to such a change of languages? I am not a linguist; perhaps users from these sections will be able to find the truth and assure everyone that these languages are native.
In addition to everything, you can ask the user himself, How did the change of preferences occur, that the posting language has changed dramatically?
The account is currently participating in a subscription campaign run by Royse777.

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[yahoo62278]

There's an extremely high chance the account has changed hands. Buying and selling of bitcointalk accounts is not illegal, it's just frowned upon by members of the community. Looking at the account, it's nobody big in the community and it's a 0 trust account. For these reasons, I would say a neutral tag stating the account has likely changed hands around 2018 and is not the original owner. Had the account had some positive rep I would say message the users who left them reputation and show the evidence, if they don't remove the trust then a neg might possibly be warranted.

**EDIT**

I would also suggest that users ~and consider keeping the account from making it into the DT network. This is your choice of course, a discussion on the subject should happen and see what the consensus thinks. The account is not currently in DT.

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But in 2022, posts are written in English and in the Nigerian local section, while there is a placement gap of 4 years..

I can't give a real judgment here, but keep in mind that the Nigerian language is very specific and they speak some kind of adapted English there. It's Nigerian Pidgin and at times it is even comprehensible to someone who comes with only knowledge of English. Look at their official board, you will notice for sure. At some point, I also participated in the discussion there (only a few posts), and then they explained to me this adjustment.
There are a lot of reliable members there, I believe he can confirm this.

Also there you can very often see that someone writes exclusively in English during the discussion. That's why I wouldn't take all of this as 100% proof that the account changed hands.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Also there you can very often see that someone writes exclusively in English during the discussion. That's why I wouldn't take all of this as 100% proof that the account changed hands.

I agree with you that it is possible to communicate in English since the Nigerian section has the option to communicate in English.
But by skimming through the posts in this section, one can understand what martyns himself says about Nigeria as his country. Well, at least that's what Google Translate gave me.

Our Matta don cast every where na,our name Naija echo past anything wey I know.The moment oyibo people see say na Naija you from,them don already dey tag and label you thief and scam.Na wetin them dey tag us be dat,but we no go kill ourselves,normally,our government no dey do us well,people gat do anything wey dem fit do to survive.We just gat stop castigating ourselves,if other people,like outsiders dey talk say we bad,we no gat follow them dey reason thesame thing,work no dey,and wetin people see say e dey pay dem nai dem dey do.I no dey support fraud oh,but I dey talk base on how the our country be.

In this present world,especially Nigeria our country, Certificate is no longer seen as anything,gone  are those days of our father where the moment you finish your secondary education,you are very sure that a job is already guanteed for you.All you needed to do then as an individual was to just try to go to school,and live the rest for government,but now,the reverse is the case,due to the high rate of populated individuals availabe ,it makes it hard for one to get a suitable job that fits,and therefore,it makes us remain in economy

[YOSHIE]

that the posting language has changed dramatically?

If you look closely at the @martyns account, it really belongs to Indonesian users.

I can attest from the Alt he has named @dreamsnight, apart from the language, the account can be seen more convincingly the Twitter and telegram they use.

What I mean is the words @henry.sihombing.129, @eekosanto, @eko_3s, @niel.sinulingga, these words are one of the clans/tribes in Indonesia.

Proof:

This is my Twitter: https://twitter.com/eko_3s
My Facebook: https: https://www.facebook.com/henry.sihombing.129
Telegram username: @eekosanto

https://archive.vn/wip/v4YOa

FACEBOOK CAMPAIGN
Facebook URL: https://www.facebook.com/niel.sinulingga
Telegram Address: @eekosanto
Bitcointalk Username: martyns

TWETTER CAMPAIGN
Twetter URL: https://www.twitter.com/eko_3s
Number of Followers:
Telegram Address: @eekosanto
Bitcointalk Username: martyns

https://archive.vn/wip/kIp04


However, the problem here is two languages ​​(Nigerian and Indonesian), account questions about: buy/sell, native speaker or changing hands......!

From the evidence above, I see another account named: @dreamsnight, inactive since May / 2022, most likely the account has been sold, judgment based on password change @martyns and @dreamsnight are no longer active in the same month and year.
maybe the buyer only takes one high-ranking account, the buyer is most likely not willing to take a member-ranked account, that's based on my assumptions.


One more proof of Alt from @martyns, which is ranked as a member that doesn't sell well, because it's not full, Sr or Hero, so he doesn't use it anymore.

merintishidup

Bitcointalk username: martyns
Telegram username: @Martynsin
Bitcoin address: 17haEdBpXHcUjq6n1sMX6iGKYZ4KwMntbi

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Post twitter account link: https://twitter.com/Martinia_shg
Post BTC Address : 17haEdBpXHcUjq6n1sMX6iGKYZ4KwMntbi

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[1miau]

Good catch, OP.
It's very likely that martyns is indeed a sold or hacked account.
I haven't checked all his post history but his indonesian posts seem to be submitted 2018 or earlier, while his nigerian posts all seem to be submitted after his last indonesian post. While I've not checked every single post, it seems to be a very clear case, if proven right.
In addition, the 4 year posting gap is making it even more obvious.

For such cases, a negative trust is totally appropriate. Selling / buying accounts is one of the most famous reasons for negative trust. If it's a hacked + sold account, too.
But we need to have a valid proof to give him a negative trust for being a bought account.

Also there you can very often see that someone writes exclusively in English during the discussion. That's why I wouldn't take all of this as 100% proof that the account changed hands.

I would say, that it's up to martyns to prove that he's still a native indonesian speaker. If he is still the old account owner, it should be quite easy for him to prove it, considering that he has done more than 400 post in Bitcointalk's indonesian section.
My favorite strategy would be to send him a PM, that he needs to prove that he's still a native indonesian speaker to avoid getting tagged, as hundreds of accounts have been tagged for selling / buying accounts before.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I would say, that it's up to martyns to prove that he's still a native indonesian speaker. If he is still the old account owner, it should be quite easy for him to prove it, considering that he has done more than 400 post in Bitcointalk's indonesian section.
My favorite strategy would be to send him a PM, that he needs to prove that he's still a native indonesian speaker to avoid getting tagged, as hundreds of accounts have been tagged for selling / buying accounts before.

Yes, you are right. I sent him a PM. I hope he makes the right choice and answers this thread.
Because ignoring this question will indicate that he cannot prove his belonging to and knowledge of the Indonesian language.

[m2017]

Forum Sherlock begins to work wonders. It seems that lovesmayfamilis has a real scent of a hound for such characters. How did you come up with the idea to check it out? Or is it random luck? Probably, one such account has a bunch of other verified accounts without suspicion. What I mean to say is that we only see successful cases of finding, while in the shadows there is a huge amount of work that has not been crowned with a result. This is true?

Nobody asked martyns to comment on changes from one locale to another? Perhaps he can explain it in an interesting way and I would like to hear his version.

P.S. I try to save merit for low-level ranks that really need it, but today I'm making an exception. Even if you don't really need it.

[decodx]

martyns account woke up and changed password in May 2022. In November of the same year he used this BSC address in BetFury.io signature campaign: 0xAe19392AAa7d0Ed901e44766FA502656f7E21173 - link.

The same BSC address was used a year before by the BlackViruse in the TFStoken bounty campaign. The post was later deleted, but we can see it in the archive: https://ninjastic.space/post/57545319

PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: Blacviruse
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2874970;sa=summary
Telegram Username: @blackviruse
Participated Campaigns:signature
BEP-20 Wallet Address:0xAe19392AAa7d0Ed901e44766FA502656f7E21173

BlackViruse account was also active in Nigerian local but was tagged for promoting 1xbit scam in 2021. He was last active on March 01, 2022. It is possible that he bought himself a new acc after that.

[JollyGood]

I cannot recall where and how long ago I read posts from that account but it raised suspicions. I hope he does reply specifically to address the concerns because there is something not right about that account and the fairly obvious outcomes is the original creator of that account is no longer operating it.

I have left a neutral tag for now and will remove it or turn it red depending on what he posts to address the concerns. Thank you lovesmayfamilis for continuously being active and to keep an eye on what is going on in the forum.

I would say, that it's up to martyns to prove that he's still a native indonesian speaker. If he is still the old account owner, it should be quite easy for him to prove it, considering that he has done more than 400 post in Bitcointalk's indonesian section.
My favorite strategy would be to send him a PM, that he needs to prove that he's still a native indonesian speaker to avoid getting tagged, as hundreds of accounts have been tagged for selling / buying accounts before.

Yes, you are right. I sent him a PM. I hope he makes the right choice and answers this thread.
Because ignoring this question will indicate that he cannot prove his belonging to and knowledge of the Indonesian language.

[_BlackStar]

One thing that is most likely to happen in the case of the martyns account is the account has change hands as evidenced by the language switch from Indonesian to Nigerian. But I think he still has chance to prove ownership of his account by signing bitcoin message, so I'll probably wait for him too to comment or something.

The following are two wallets that are expected to be valid before the account is suspected of changing hands.

Code:

17haEdBpXHcUjq6n1sMX6iGKYZ4KwMntbi
1PVpwt1r6yRSynpJyCnVgf2HQVxVTD5qv7

[1miau]

I've now also issued a neutral trust and will wait for martyns to address all evidence presented by lovesmyfamilies.
In my opinion, signing one of the addresses presented above by _BlackStar or making a post in Bitcointalk's indonesian local board, where native speakers will need to confirm if his text is native indonesian and not just Google translate, should be easy for martyns to prove that his account is not hacked or sold.

If he can't prove any of these easy solutions, it can be assumed that it's a sold or hacked account.

[_BlackStar]

I've now also issued a neutral trust and will wait for martyns to address all evidence presented by lovesmyfamilies.
In my opinion, signing one of the addresses presented above by _BlackStar or making a post in Bitcointalk's indonesian local board, where native speakers will need to confirm if his text is native indonesian and not just Google translate, should be easy for martyns to prove that his account is not hacked or sold.

If he can't prove any of these easy solutions, it can be assumed that it's a sold or hacked account.

I could agree with your advice, but martyns is not obligated to prove it publicly even if we ask him to. OP might be able to facilitate account prove ownership via PM or somethings, so martyns just needs to work that out for this problem to be resolved. I'm not going to force him to post something in Indonesian right now, but might expect him to prove ownership of his account by signing bitcoin message. That's enough for me.

[1miau]

I could agree with your advice, but martyns is not obligated to prove it publicly even if we ask him to.

Yes, doing so would just make the trouble bigger for him.
We can argue about signing an old address, which might not work in certain cases (I'm not going into detail here to avoid giving him an excuse  ) and signing an address can also be technically challenging for him but after making 400 post in indonesian laguage, it should be quite easy for him to make only 1 indonesian post again to debunk our research. 

If he refuses to leave a reply here, he wouldn't do himself a favor to get rid of the accusation, which doesn't seem to be in his favor at all, reviewing the evidence presented here.

If martyns is not a hacked or sold account, debunking our research here will be an extremely easy job for martyns.

[dkbit98]

 Account  martyns

I can't wait to see his explanation about this, but there is high chance that account changed hands.
There is always a chance for someone to speak multiple languages, but almost zero percent of someone from Indonesia learning Nigerian language.
I see martyns is a member of Yo!Mix campaign, and managers should keep an eye on things like this.

[JollyGood]

I think I read about alleged cases where deals were being done to buy/sell accounts on the basis that passwords and email addresses were not altered and also that previous owners would either include wallets with previous history or themselves sign messages to prove ownership.

In the cases where accounts changed hands but the buyer refused to pay after getting the password, well they would have to have access to the wallet too because the seller would never sign a proof of ownership if he never received funds after surrendering the account.

I could agree with your advice, but martyns is not obligated to prove it publicly even if we ask him to.

Yes, doing so would just make the trouble bigger for him.
We can argue about signing an old address, which might not work in certain cases (I'm not going into detail here to avoid giving him an excuse  ) and signing an address can also be technically challenging for him but after making 400 post in indonesian laguage, it should be quite easy for him to make only 1 indonesian post again to debunk our research. 

If he refuses to leave a reply here, he wouldn't do himself a favor to get rid of the accusation, which doesn't seem to be in his favor at all, reviewing the evidence presented here.

If martyns is not a hacked or sold account, debunking our research here will be an extremely easy job for martyns.

[owlcatz]

After looking into this further, it appears the user will probably not reply here, because they know they've been busted.... 

I would just tag him as a bought account if he does not come here to answer myself, I'm sure someone left something on this account by now anyways..

[UmerIdrees]

Nobody asked martyns to comment on changes from one locale to another? Perhaps he can explain it in an interesting way and I would like to hear his version.

Don't know how will he explain the situation but I assume that he was living in Indonesia, migrated to Nigeria, stayed away from the forum for 4 years to learn the Nigerian language, and then start posting again  

Or another thing can be he decided to learn the Nigerian language and he took a degree in Nigerian language for 4 years and now when he is the master of that language, he started posting again  

Well, no matter what excuses he comes up with, they will still be excuses as the reality is that the account changed hands. That's it.  

[Poker Player]

Also there you can very often see that someone writes exclusively in English during the discussion. That's why I wouldn't take all of this as 100% proof that the account changed hands.

This does look to me written by someone who was born in Nigeria. Even if you are born in Indonesia and go to live in Nigeria, you will not write like that.

Everybody don see papa Obasanjo as person wey him face show for Nigerian election and politics mata,so as him don endorse Peter Obi so,opponent don dey already know say wahala dey,because before him endorsam so,dem go don plot their graph well, knowing say obi no go fail atall,dem go don finish their work inside house.and to me,eno go dey bad say na Peter Obi rule us because when I listen to him manifesto,he looks promising,him talk about things we go give us life,the only problem their be say dem dey talk all those things finish and dem go still go loose guard when dem don already sit down for that sit.

As an aside, he is supposed to be an Indonesian immigrant in Nigeria and care about Nigerian politics so much to the point of talking about how it affects "us" with the rest of the local board? He has integrated into society in record time.

Well, no matter what excuses he comes up with, they will still be excuses as the reality is that the account changed hands. That's it.  

Yes.

I edit because I think this will leave no room for doubt:

I greet everybody wey dey here oh,,my senior men dem,,una face shoe,una shoe shine.Our father's dey say "wetin dey in-between person teeth,the tongue no dey fit leavam"
Meaning:as long as there is a situation on ground,people can't stop talking about it.
There are so many proverbs that were used by our forefathers in different dialects,but interpreting it is difficult.

The title of the thread is : African Proverbs in Pidgin.

Red tagged by me.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I could agree with your advice, but martyns is not obligated to prove it publicly even if we ask him to. OP might be able to facilitate account prove ownership via PM or somethings, so martyns just needs to work that out for this problem to be resolved. I'm not going to force him to post something in Indonesian right now, but might expect him to prove ownership of his account by signing bitcoin message. That's enough for me.

I sent him two!! The PM never got a response, despite two posts made by Martyns after sending the PM.
It can be seen that he hides his head in the sand. I don't agree that he doesn't have to prove anything, as it doesn't seem normal to change languages; the two languages are completely different. On the face of the change of ownership.
Moreover, the address found by decodx first appeared on the forum with a Blacviruse account. Does this tell you something?
Blacviruse account is currently banned, which is another red flag against Martyns for violating the lockdown rules.
Who do you think should worry about proving their innocence?