Changed language in history. Bought? Hacked?

[lovesmayfamilis]

 Account  martyns
https://ninjastic.space/user/martyns

https://bpip.org/Profile?p=martyns



From the very beginning of his registration, he wrote posts exclusively in Indonesian.

https://ninjastic.space/search?author=martyns&board=192
https://ninjastic.space/search?author=martyns&board=191

But in 2022, posts are written in English and in the Nigerian local section, while there is a placement gap of 4 years..


https://ninjastic.space/search?author=martyns&board=275

How will the forum react to such a change of languages? I am not a linguist; perhaps users from these sections will be able to find the truth and assure everyone that these languages are native.
In addition to everything, you can ask the user himself, How did the change of preferences occur, that the posting language has changed dramatically?
The account is currently participating in a subscription campaign run by Royse777.

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[yahoo62278]

There's an extremely high chance the account has changed hands. Buying and selling of bitcointalk accounts is not illegal, it's just frowned upon by members of the community. Looking at the account, it's nobody big in the community and it's a 0 trust account. For these reasons, I would say a neutral tag stating the account has likely changed hands around 2018 and is not the original owner. Had the account had some positive rep I would say message the users who left them reputation and show the evidence, if they don't remove the trust then a neg might possibly be warranted.

**EDIT**

I would also suggest that users ~and consider keeping the account from making it into the DT network. This is your choice of course, a discussion on the subject should happen and see what the consensus thinks. The account is not currently in DT.

[examplens]

But in 2022, posts are written in English and in the Nigerian local section, while there is a placement gap of 4 years..

I can't give a real judgment here, but keep in mind that the Nigerian language is very specific and they speak some kind of adapted English there. It's Nigerian Pidgin and at times it is even comprehensible to someone who comes with only knowledge of English. Look at their official board, you will notice for sure. At some point, I also participated in the discussion there (only a few posts), and then they explained to me this adjustment.
There are a lot of reliable members there, I believe he can confirm this.

Also there you can very often see that someone writes exclusively in English during the discussion. That's why I wouldn't take all of this as 100% proof that the account changed hands.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Also there you can very often see that someone writes exclusively in English during the discussion. That's why I wouldn't take all of this as 100% proof that the account changed hands.

I agree with you that it is possible to communicate in English since the Nigerian section has the option to communicate in English.
But by skimming through the posts in this section, one can understand what martyns himself says about Nigeria as his country. Well, at least that's what Google Translate gave me.

Our Matta don cast every where na,our name Naija echo past anything wey I know.The moment oyibo people see say na Naija you from,them don already dey tag and label you thief and scam.Na wetin them dey tag us be dat,but we no go kill ourselves,normally,our government no dey do us well,people gat do anything wey dem fit do to survive.We just gat stop castigating ourselves,if other people,like outsiders dey talk say we bad,we no gat follow them dey reason thesame thing,work no dey,and wetin people see say e dey pay dem nai dem dey do.I no dey support fraud oh,but I dey talk base on how the our country be.

In this present world,especially Nigeria our country, Certificate is no longer seen as anything,gone  are those days of our father where the moment you finish your secondary education,you are very sure that a job is already guanteed for you.All you needed to do then as an individual was to just try to go to school,and live the rest for government,but now,the reverse is the case,due to the high rate of populated individuals availabe ,it makes it hard for one to get a suitable job that fits,and therefore,it makes us remain in economy

[YOSHIE]

that the posting language has changed dramatically?

If you look closely at the @martyns account, it really belongs to Indonesian users.

I can attest from the Alt he has named @dreamsnight, apart from the language, the account can be seen more convincingly the Twitter and telegram they use.

What I mean is the words @henry.sihombing.129, @eekosanto, @eko_3s, @niel.sinulingga, these words are one of the clans/tribes in Indonesia.

Proof:

This is my Twitter: https://twitter.com/eko_3s
My Facebook: https: https://www.facebook.com/henry.sihombing.129
Telegram username: @eekosanto

https://archive.vn/wip/v4YOa

FACEBOOK CAMPAIGN
Facebook URL: https://www.facebook.com/niel.sinulingga
Telegram Address: @eekosanto
Bitcointalk Username: martyns

TWETTER CAMPAIGN
Twetter URL: https://www.twitter.com/eko_3s
Number of Followers:
Telegram Address: @eekosanto
Bitcointalk Username: martyns

https://archive.vn/wip/kIp04


However, the problem here is two languages ​​(Nigerian and Indonesian), account questions about: buy/sell, native speaker or changing hands......!

From the evidence above, I see another account named: @dreamsnight, inactive since May / 2022, most likely the account has been sold, judgment based on password change @martyns and @dreamsnight are no longer active in the same month and year.
maybe the buyer only takes one high-ranking account, the buyer is most likely not willing to take a member-ranked account, that's based on my assumptions.


One more proof of Alt from @martyns, which is ranked as a member that doesn't sell well, because it's not full, Sr or Hero, so he doesn't use it anymore.

merintishidup

Bitcointalk username: martyns
Telegram username: @Martynsin
Bitcoin address: 17haEdBpXHcUjq6n1sMX6iGKYZ4KwMntbi

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Post twitter account link: https://twitter.com/Martinia_shg
Post BTC Address : 17haEdBpXHcUjq6n1sMX6iGKYZ4KwMntbi

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[1miau]

Good catch, OP.
It's very likely that martyns is indeed a sold or hacked account.
I haven't checked all his post history but his indonesian posts seem to be submitted 2018 or earlier, while his nigerian posts all seem to be submitted after his last indonesian post. While I've not checked every single post, it seems to be a very clear case, if proven right.
In addition, the 4 year posting gap is making it even more obvious.

For such cases, a negative trust is totally appropriate. Selling / buying accounts is one of the most famous reasons for negative trust. If it's a hacked + sold account, too.
But we need to have a valid proof to give him a negative trust for being a bought account.

Also there you can very often see that someone writes exclusively in English during the discussion. That's why I wouldn't take all of this as 100% proof that the account changed hands.

I would say, that it's up to martyns to prove that he's still a native indonesian speaker. If he is still the old account owner, it should be quite easy for him to prove it, considering that he has done more than 400 post in Bitcointalk's indonesian section.
My favorite strategy would be to send him a PM, that he needs to prove that he's still a native indonesian speaker to avoid getting tagged, as hundreds of accounts have been tagged for selling / buying accounts before.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I would say, that it's up to martyns to prove that he's still a native indonesian speaker. If he is still the old account owner, it should be quite easy for him to prove it, considering that he has done more than 400 post in Bitcointalk's indonesian section.
My favorite strategy would be to send him a PM, that he needs to prove that he's still a native indonesian speaker to avoid getting tagged, as hundreds of accounts have been tagged for selling / buying accounts before.

Yes, you are right. I sent him a PM. I hope he makes the right choice and answers this thread.
Because ignoring this question will indicate that he cannot prove his belonging to and knowledge of the Indonesian language.

[m2017]

Forum Sherlock begins to work wonders. It seems that lovesmayfamilis has a real scent of a hound for such characters. How did you come up with the idea to check it out? Or is it random luck? Probably, one such account has a bunch of other verified accounts without suspicion. What I mean to say is that we only see successful cases of finding, while in the shadows there is a huge amount of work that has not been crowned with a result. This is true?

Nobody asked martyns to comment on changes from one locale to another? Perhaps he can explain it in an interesting way and I would like to hear his version.

P.S. I try to save merit for low-level ranks that really need it, but today I'm making an exception. Even if you don't really need it.

[decodx]

martyns account woke up and changed password in May 2022. In November of the same year he used this BSC address in BetFury.io signature campaign: 0xAe19392AAa7d0Ed901e44766FA502656f7E21173 - link.

The same BSC address was used a year before by the BlackViruse in the TFStoken bounty campaign. The post was later deleted, but we can see it in the archive: https://ninjastic.space/post/57545319

PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: Blacviruse
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2874970;sa=summary
Telegram Username: @blackviruse
Participated Campaigns:signature
BEP-20 Wallet Address:0xAe19392AAa7d0Ed901e44766FA502656f7E21173

BlackViruse account was also active in Nigerian local but was tagged for promoting 1xbit scam in 2021. He was last active on March 01, 2022. It is possible that he bought himself a new acc after that.

[JollyGood]

I cannot recall where and how long ago I read posts from that account but it raised suspicions. I hope he does reply specifically to address the concerns because there is something not right about that account and the fairly obvious outcomes is the original creator of that account is no longer operating it.

I have left a neutral tag for now and will remove it or turn it red depending on what he posts to address the concerns. Thank you lovesmayfamilis for continuously being active and to keep an eye on what is going on in the forum.

I would say, that it's up to martyns to prove that he's still a native indonesian speaker. If he is still the old account owner, it should be quite easy for him to prove it, considering that he has done more than 400 post in Bitcointalk's indonesian section.
My favorite strategy would be to send him a PM, that he needs to prove that he's still a native indonesian speaker to avoid getting tagged, as hundreds of accounts have been tagged for selling / buying accounts before.

Yes, you are right. I sent him a PM. I hope he makes the right choice and answers this thread.
Because ignoring this question will indicate that he cannot prove his belonging to and knowledge of the Indonesian language.

[_BlackStar]

One thing that is most likely to happen in the case of the martyns account is the account has change hands as evidenced by the language switch from Indonesian to Nigerian. But I think he still has chance to prove ownership of his account by signing bitcoin message, so I'll probably wait for him too to comment or something.

The following are two wallets that are expected to be valid before the account is suspected of changing hands.

Code:

17haEdBpXHcUjq6n1sMX6iGKYZ4KwMntbi
1PVpwt1r6yRSynpJyCnVgf2HQVxVTD5qv7

[1miau]

I've now also issued a neutral trust and will wait for martyns to address all evidence presented by lovesmyfamilies.
In my opinion, signing one of the addresses presented above by _BlackStar or making a post in Bitcointalk's indonesian local board, where native speakers will need to confirm if his text is native indonesian and not just Google translate, should be easy for martyns to prove that his account is not hacked or sold.

If he can't prove any of these easy solutions, it can be assumed that it's a sold or hacked account.

[_BlackStar]

I've now also issued a neutral trust and will wait for martyns to address all evidence presented by lovesmyfamilies.
In my opinion, signing one of the addresses presented above by _BlackStar or making a post in Bitcointalk's indonesian local board, where native speakers will need to confirm if his text is native indonesian and not just Google translate, should be easy for martyns to prove that his account is not hacked or sold.

If he can't prove any of these easy solutions, it can be assumed that it's a sold or hacked account.

I could agree with your advice, but martyns is not obligated to prove it publicly even if we ask him to. OP might be able to facilitate account prove ownership via PM or somethings, so martyns just needs to work that out for this problem to be resolved. I'm not going to force him to post something in Indonesian right now, but might expect him to prove ownership of his account by signing bitcoin message. That's enough for me.

[1miau]

I could agree with your advice, but martyns is not obligated to prove it publicly even if we ask him to.

Yes, doing so would just make the trouble bigger for him.
We can argue about signing an old address, which might not work in certain cases (I'm not going into detail here to avoid giving him an excuse  ) and signing an address can also be technically challenging for him but after making 400 post in indonesian laguage, it should be quite easy for him to make only 1 indonesian post again to debunk our research. 

If he refuses to leave a reply here, he wouldn't do himself a favor to get rid of the accusation, which doesn't seem to be in his favor at all, reviewing the evidence presented here.

If martyns is not a hacked or sold account, debunking our research here will be an extremely easy job for martyns.

[dkbit98]

 Account  martyns

I can't wait to see his explanation about this, but there is high chance that account changed hands.
There is always a chance for someone to speak multiple languages, but almost zero percent of someone from Indonesia learning Nigerian language.
I see martyns is a member of Yo!Mix campaign, and managers should keep an eye on things like this.

[JollyGood]

I think I read about alleged cases where deals were being done to buy/sell accounts on the basis that passwords and email addresses were not altered and also that previous owners would either include wallets with previous history or themselves sign messages to prove ownership.

In the cases where accounts changed hands but the buyer refused to pay after getting the password, well they would have to have access to the wallet too because the seller would never sign a proof of ownership if he never received funds after surrendering the account.

I could agree with your advice, but martyns is not obligated to prove it publicly even if we ask him to.

Yes, doing so would just make the trouble bigger for him.
We can argue about signing an old address, which might not work in certain cases (I'm not going into detail here to avoid giving him an excuse  ) and signing an address can also be technically challenging for him but after making 400 post in indonesian laguage, it should be quite easy for him to make only 1 indonesian post again to debunk our research. 

If he refuses to leave a reply here, he wouldn't do himself a favor to get rid of the accusation, which doesn't seem to be in his favor at all, reviewing the evidence presented here.

If martyns is not a hacked or sold account, debunking our research here will be an extremely easy job for martyns.

[owlcatz]

After looking into this further, it appears the user will probably not reply here, because they know they've been busted.... 

I would just tag him as a bought account if he does not come here to answer myself, I'm sure someone left something on this account by now anyways..

[UmerIdrees]

Nobody asked martyns to comment on changes from one locale to another? Perhaps he can explain it in an interesting way and I would like to hear his version.

Don't know how will he explain the situation but I assume that he was living in Indonesia, migrated to Nigeria, stayed away from the forum for 4 years to learn the Nigerian language, and then start posting again  

Or another thing can be he decided to learn the Nigerian language and he took a degree in Nigerian language for 4 years and now when he is the master of that language, he started posting again  

Well, no matter what excuses he comes up with, they will still be excuses as the reality is that the account changed hands. That's it.  

[Poker Player]

Also there you can very often see that someone writes exclusively in English during the discussion. That's why I wouldn't take all of this as 100% proof that the account changed hands.

This does look to me written by someone who was born in Nigeria. Even if you are born in Indonesia and go to live in Nigeria, you will not write like that.

Everybody don see papa Obasanjo as person wey him face show for Nigerian election and politics mata,so as him don endorse Peter Obi so,opponent don dey already know say wahala dey,because before him endorsam so,dem go don plot their graph well, knowing say obi no go fail atall,dem go don finish their work inside house.and to me,eno go dey bad say na Peter Obi rule us because when I listen to him manifesto,he looks promising,him talk about things we go give us life,the only problem their be say dem dey talk all those things finish and dem go still go loose guard when dem don already sit down for that sit.

As an aside, he is supposed to be an Indonesian immigrant in Nigeria and care about Nigerian politics so much to the point of talking about how it affects "us" with the rest of the local board? He has integrated into society in record time.

Well, no matter what excuses he comes up with, they will still be excuses as the reality is that the account changed hands. That's it.  

Yes.

I edit because I think this will leave no room for doubt:

I greet everybody wey dey here oh,,my senior men dem,,una face shoe,una shoe shine.Our father's dey say "wetin dey in-between person teeth,the tongue no dey fit leavam"
Meaning:as long as there is a situation on ground,people can't stop talking about it.
There are so many proverbs that were used by our forefathers in different dialects,but interpreting it is difficult.

The title of the thread is : African Proverbs in Pidgin.

Red tagged by me.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I could agree with your advice, but martyns is not obligated to prove it publicly even if we ask him to. OP might be able to facilitate account prove ownership via PM or somethings, so martyns just needs to work that out for this problem to be resolved. I'm not going to force him to post something in Indonesian right now, but might expect him to prove ownership of his account by signing bitcoin message. That's enough for me.

I sent him two!! The PM never got a response, despite two posts made by Martyns after sending the PM.
It can be seen that he hides his head in the sand. I don't agree that he doesn't have to prove anything, as it doesn't seem normal to change languages; the two languages are completely different. On the face of the change of ownership.
Moreover, the address found by decodx first appeared on the forum with a Blacviruse account. Does this tell you something?
Blacviruse account is currently banned, which is another red flag against Martyns for violating the lockdown rules.
Who do you think should worry about proving their innocence?

[JollyGood]

Well, there has been more than enough presented here to warrant negative trust therefore I have updated my trust from neutral to negative. Maybe decodx and 1miau will change their neutral feedback when they see the updated posts.

[martyns]

I could agree with your advice, but martyns is not obligated to prove it publicly even if we ask him to. OP might be able to facilitate account prove ownership via PM or somethings, so martyns just needs to work that out for this problem to be resolved. I'm not going to force him to post something in Indonesian right now, but might expect him to prove ownership of his account by signing bitcoin message. That's enough for me.

I sent him two!! The PM never got a response, despite two posts made by Martyns after sending the PM.
It can be seen that he hides his head in the sand. I don't agree that he doesn't have to prove anything, as it doesn't seem normal to change languages; the two languages are completely different. On the face of the change of ownership.
Moreover, the address found by decodx first appeared on the forum with a Blacviruse account. Does this tell you something?
Blacviruse account is currently banned, which is another red flag against Martyns for violating the lockdown rules.
Who do you think should worry about proving their innocence?

My account isn't a hacked one or a bought account,this account is a gift from my late brother  on my birthday,he schooled and lived at Indonesia with his family and remember to give me this account after he stopped usage of it for a long while,I live and stay in Nigeria,while my brother stayed at Indonesia with his family.My account is not hacked or bought,,please redeem my reputation,it's hurting me. Please,,I didn't buy or hack this account please
And speaking Indonesia,it's my elder brother who travelled to Indonesia for school that lived his life and schooled there so he knews how to speak and interact well in Indonesia,He changed everything about the account when he stopped usage of the account for a long while,and decided to gift it to me. I have contributed positively to this forum and haven't violated any rule in this forum,I know you guys are doing a good job tracing accounts that are bought or hacked,but my account is not one of them,it's a gift from my brother,please.

[lovesmayfamilis]

My account isn't a hacked one or a bought account,this account is a gift from my brother  on my birthday,he schooled and lived at Indonesia with his family and remember to give me this account after he stopped usage of it for a long while,I live and stay in Nigeria,while my brother stays at Indonesia with his family.My account is not hacked of bought,,please redeem my reputation,it's hurting me. Please,,I didn't buy or hack this account please .

Fine. It looks like you're digging a deeper hole for yourself. Why did you decide that you could give accounts on the forum? Why didn't you open your personal account?
And yes, another little thing: what do you think about the issue of the previously blocked BlackViruse account, which submitted a Bitcoin wallet number before you?
What country was this brother from?

If serious. Look in your local section; how many of your brothers honestly raise their accounts and diligently follow the rules of the forum? Why did you decide to be smarter than everyone else by inventing a story about a gift that no one here would accept as true? Do you really respect those around you?

It's funny, but what Google translator gave me speaks of your brother, the seller, the donor.

keuntungannya agan ga perlu lama nunggu dan bersabar naikin level, bisa menghasilkan pastinya kalo agan gunakan akun bitcointalk nya untuk ikut beberapa bounty campaign. ataupun signature campaign Cheesy

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The advantage is you don't have to wait long and be patient with leveling up, you can earn for sure if you use your Bitcointalk account to take part in several bounty campaigns. or signature campaign

[JollyGood]

My account isn't a hacked one or a bought account,this account is a gift from my late brother  on my birthday,he schooled and lived at Indonesia with his family and remember to give me this account after he stopped usage of it for a long while,I live and stay in Nigeria,while my brother stayed at Indonesia with his family.My account is not hacked or bought,,please redeem my reputation,it's hurting me. Please,,I didn't buy or hack this account please
And speaking Indonesia,it's my elder brother who travelled to Indonesia for school that lived his life and schooled there so he knews how to speak and interact well in Indonesia,He changed everything about the account when he stopped usage of the account for a long while,and decided to gift it to me. I have contributed positively to this forum and haven't violated any rule in this forum,I know you guys are doing a good job tracing accounts that are bought or hacked,but my account is not one of them,it's a gift from my brother,please.

It will be interesting to see how many people end up posting in this thread to support you citing they believe your story. As lovesmayfamilis stated, it does look as like you are digging a deeper hole for yourself.

It's funny, but what Google translator gave me speaks of your brother, the seller, the donor.

keuntungannya agan ga perlu lama nunggu dan bersabar naikin level, bisa menghasilkan pastinya kalo agan gunakan akun bitcointalk nya untuk ikut beberapa bounty campaign. ataupun signature campaign Cheesy

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The advantage is you don't have to wait long and be patient with leveling up, you can earn for sure if you use your Bitcointalk account to take part in several bounty campaigns. or signature campaign

Interesting 

[martyns]

My account isn't a hacked one or a bought account,this account is a gift from my late brother  on my birthday,he schooled and lived at Indonesia with his family and remember to give me this account after he stopped usage of it for a long while,I live and stay in Nigeria,while my brother stayed at Indonesia with his family.My account is not hacked or bought,,please redeem my reputation,it's hurting me. Please,,I didn't buy or hack this account please
And speaking Indonesia,it's my elder brother who travelled to Indonesia for school that lived his life and schooled there so he knews how to speak and interact well in Indonesia,He changed everything about the account when he stopped usage of the account for a long while,and decided to gift it to me. I have contributed positively to this forum and haven't violated any rule in this forum,I know you guys are doing a good job tracing accounts that are bought or hacked,but my account is not one of them,it's a gift from my brother,please.

It will be interesting to see how many people end up posting in this thread to support you citing they believe your story. As lovesmayfamilis stated, it does look as like you are digging a deeper hole for yourself.

It's funny, but what Google translator gave me speaks of your brother, the seller, the donor.

keuntungannya agan ga perlu lama nunggu dan bersabar naikin level, bisa menghasilkan pastinya kalo agan gunakan akun bitcointalk nya untuk ikut beberapa bounty campaign. ataupun signature campaign Cheesy

translation

The advantage is you don't have to wait long and be patient with leveling up, you can earn for sure if you use your Bitcointalk account to take part in several bounty campaigns. or signature campaign

Interesting 

What do you guys want me to do now? I'm a graduate struggling here to survive,there is no job here in my country,and was using this account to sought out little problems for myself.Its my elder brother who lived at Indonesia who that gift me this account.I have not scammed,spammed or do any illegal activity in this forum ever since I started making posts here.I didn't buy or hack this account.This is the only source of my little income,I will appreciate it if my reputation is redeemed please.

[Poker Player]

What do you guys want me to do now?

Nothing. Or well, don't insist on defending what we are not going to believe.

The only thing is that maybe you are lucky and your campaign manager let you be in the campaign because the system is so decentralized that sometimes managers admit participants who have red tags because they don't see the tags sufficiently justified. As two of the three of us who have tagged you are not liked by your manager (he thinks we keep chasing him with alts and such), maybe he will let you stay in the campaign.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Forum Sherlock begins to work wonders. It seems that lovesmayfamilis has a real scent of a hound for such characters. How did you come up with the idea to check it out? Or is it random luck? Probably, one such account has a bunch of other verified accounts without suspicion. What I mean to say is that we only see successful cases of finding, while in the shadows there is a huge amount of work that has not been crowned with a result. This is true?

Nobody asked martyns to comment on changes from one locale to another? Perhaps he can explain it in an interesting way and I would like to hear his version.

P.S. I try to save merit for low-level ranks that really need it, but today I'm making an exception. Even if you don't really need it.

Yesterday, I wanted to answer but got distracted.
Yes, you are right that there are a bunch of bought and hacked accounts on the forum, but the owners at least make some movements so as not to draw attention to themselves.
Martyns' mistake is that he didn't delete posts written in Indonesian.
I will give an example of another, most likely purchased, account.
The same picture. Change of language, pause in posting
The account began with the local Chinese section and continued in Indonesian.
But the fact that everything is in the archives, in my opinion, is no longer worth discussing.



https://ninjastic.space/search?author=reagansimms&board=119
https://ninjastic.space/search?author=reagansimms&board=118

[Hispo]

Mh. I don't know about you guys, but this is kind of a sad situation, because it is true that he could be lying and this is indeed a case of a purchased account. On the other hand, I can easily see a sibling gifting an account to someone within the family, specially if that person needs a lil source of income.

Unfortunately for you, Martyns. Even if your story is true many people around here believe that accounts being gifted is a bad thing because there can be an abuse of the previous onwer's reputation, to do many bad things. There are others who do not mind much. I personally, cannot argue about it. Because in the same family there can be a sibling who is honest, cares about reputation while the others do not mind burning an internet account they did not leveled up, so they can make a bit of money in an illegitimate way. Not your case, but it can happen.

Perhaps, this would have been a different situation if your brother opened a reputation thread asking for people's opinion and letting them now about his consideration on gifting the account (together with a signed message).

Anyways, Take care.

[yahoo62278]

Mh. I don't know about you guys, but this is kind of a sad situation, because it is true that he could be lying and this is indeed a case of a purchased account. On the other hand, I can easily see a sibling gifting an account to someone within the family, specially if that person needs a lil source of income.

Unfortunately for you, Martyns. Even if your story is true many people around here believe that accounts being gifted is a bad thing because there can be an abuse of the previous onwer's reputation, to do many bad things. There are others who do not mind much. I personally, cannot argue about it. Because in the same family there can be a sibling who is honest, cares about reputation while the others do not mind burning an internet account they did not leveled up, so they can make a bit of money in an illegitimate way. Not your case, but it can happen.

Perhaps, this would have been a different situation if your brother opened a reputation thread asking for people's opinion and letting them now about his consideration on gifting the account (together with a signed message).

Anyways, Take care.

I also feel that this is a sad situation. The guy is a nobody on the forum. Keeps his/her head down and makes a few dollars via sig campaigns. Doesn't seem to be worried about the trust system or any of the drama surrounding it.

Did he buy the account? No clue. Will he admit it if he did? Probably not. Did all of this happen recently? Nope. Is the account on DT? Nope. Does the account have any reputation at all? Nope. Who is he harming? Not 1 single person.

Bottom line, he is dishonest by not making the account for himself. I agree 100% but I also think this is no different than people who sold accounts in the past and have not been tagged. This is something that happened awhile back and probably just needs a neutral tag IMO and for everyone to ~ the account so they can never make DT. Account buying and selling is not illegal, just frowned upon. My personal opinion is red tags should only be given when reputable accounts are found to have changed hands.

There's some who will agree and some who will disagree, but i'm curious why this was even brought up? I agree with the OP that they are likely correct, but why were they even searching?

I could agree with your advice, but martyns is not obligated to prove it publicly even if we ask him to. OP might be able to facilitate account prove ownership via PM or somethings, so martyns just needs to work that out for this problem to be resolved. I'm not going to force him to post something in Indonesian right now, but might expect him to prove ownership of his account by signing bitcoin message. That's enough for me.

I sent him two!! The PM never got a response, despite two posts made by Martyns after sending the PM.
It can be seen that he hides his head in the sand. I don't agree that he doesn't have to prove anything, as it doesn't seem normal to change languages; the two languages are completely different. On the face of the change of ownership.
Moreover, the address found by decodx first appeared on the forum with a Blacviruse account. Does this tell you something?
Blacviruse account is currently banned, which is another red flag against Martyns for violating the lockdown rules.
Who do you think should worry about proving their innocence?

I sent him a pm and got a response. People may not respond to their accusers out of fear. Like I said, you could be right about all this but for what reason? There are probably thousands of accounts on this forum that have changed owners. Concentrate on reputable accounts IMO.

[Poker Player]

Mh. I don't know about you guys, but this is kind of a sad situation, because it is true that he could be lying and this is indeed a case of a purchased account. On the other hand, I can easily see a sibling gifting an account to someone within the family, specially if that person needs a lil source of income.

Sure, a sibling that only speaks Indonesian gifting an account to someone who speaks Naira.

We'd better add magic elves and aliens to the story to make it more believable.

I've been on forums for a long time and this kind of unbelievable stories only come to the forefront when someone is caught red-handed. You won't see the opposite, that is, you won't see someone enter the top ten of earned merit for the first time and thank his Indonesian brother for gifted the account for him who is in Nigeria.

Is the account on DT? Nope. Does the account have any reputation at all? Nope. Who is he harming? Not 1 single person.

Bottom line, he is dishonest by not making the account for himself. I agree 100% but I also think this is no different than people who sold accounts in the past and have not been tagged. This is something that happened awhile back and probably just needs a neutral tag IMO and for everyone to ~ the account so they can never make DT. Account buying and selling is not illegal, just frowned upon. My personal opinion is red tags should only be given when reputable accounts are found to have changed hands.

I completely disagree with what is in bold. A crime should be judged independently of who commits it. And I don't know what sold account not tagged you are talking about. I have seen many red tagged for being bought or trying to sell them.

That said, I partly share the sentiment you and Hispo have, because this guy is not someone who has swindled half the forum out of tens of thousands of dollars, he is someone who lives in a poor country and is trying to make a living. But there are many people on the forum in poor countries and they don't take the illegitimate fast track.

But at the end of the day, as I said before, maybe he's lucky and his manager keeps him in the campaign. Surely you would accept him in your campaigns if you were managing one, yahoo62278. Maybe other managers as well. Red tags make it more difficult, but not impossible to join campaigns.

[yahoo62278]

Is the account on DT? Nope. Does the account have any reputation at all? Nope. Who is he harming? Not 1 single person.

Bottom line, he is dishonest by not making the account for himself. I agree 100% but I also think this is no different than people who sold accounts in the past and have not been tagged. This is something that happened awhile back and probably just needs a neutral tag IMO and for everyone to ~ the account so they can never make DT. Account buying and selling is not illegal, just frowned upon. My personal opinion is red tags should only be given when reputable accounts are found to have changed hands.

I completely disagree with what is in bold. A crime should be judged independently of who commits it. And I don't know what sold account not tagged you are talking about. I have seen many red tagged for being bought or trying to sell them.

That said, I partly share the sentiment you and Hispo have, because this guy is not someone who has swindled half the forum out of tens of thousands of dollars, he is someone who lives in a poor country and is trying to make a living. But there are many people on the forum in poor countries and they don't take the illegitimate fast track.

But at the end of the day, as I said before, maybe he's lucky and his manager keeps him in the campaign. Surely you would accept him in your campaigns if you were managing one, yahoo62278. Maybe other managers as well. Red tags make it more difficult, but not impossible to join campaigns.

Totally entitled to your opinion. You made my point though, the guy is from a poor country and is just making money via sig campaigns. With him not able to make DT via ~from multiple people, he wouldn't be harming anyone. You guys are free to do what you want, I have no ties with the user. I just wouldn't tag him.

Far as me adding him to a campaign with neg trust, I have added users with neg trust before but I would have to review the post history before considering it as well as why the neg trust was given and if the company is ok with it. In his case the reason for the trust would not hinder me from adding him as long as the company was ok with it.

[JollyGood]

This really is a sad situation to be in both for yourself (if your second story is true) and for those that have tagged your account (if they believe your second story).

First of all, from experience I can say that just because you say something it does not mean it has to be true especially after you have already stated an high implausible story about how the account came in to your possession and under your control.

As for those that left tags on your account (neutral or negative), by citing a new story of your financial woes you have simply added more stress to them as they ponder whether the tags should be revised or removed.

All this issue happened because you came in to control of an account either by stealing it from the original creator or by buying it. Whether your story about you being a graduate who is struggling to survive is true or not, the truth is you could have just created an account (alongside this martyns one that you ended up controlling) and built it up rank by rank too. Maybe you already have several accounts that are participating in various campaigns.

As you have been dishonest from the beginning about how you came in to controlling this martyns account it seems difficult to believe anything you will say subsequently.

What do you guys want me to do now? I'm a graduate struggling here to survive,there is no job here in my country,and was using this account to sought out little problems for myself.Its my elder brother who lived at Indonesia who that gift me this account.I have not scammed,spammed or do any illegal activity in this forum ever since I started making posts here.I didn't buy or hack this account.This is the only source of my little income,I will appreciate it if my reputation is redeemed please.

[Hispo]

Mh. I don't know about you guys, but this is kind of a sad situation, because it is true that he could be lying and this is indeed a case of a purchased account. On the other hand, I can easily see a sibling gifting an account to someone within the family, specially if that person needs a lil source of income.

Sure, a sibling that only speaks Indonesian gifting an account to someone who speaks Naira.

We'd better add magic elves and aliens to the story to make it more believable.

I've been on forums for a long time and this kind of unbelievable stories only come to the forefront when someone is caught red-handed. You won't see the opposite, that is, you won't see someone enter the top ten of earned merit for the first time and thank his Indonesian brother for gifted the account for him who is in Nigeria.

Is the account on DT? Nope. Does the account have any reputation at all? Nope. Who is he harming? Not 1 single person.

Bottom line, he is dishonest by not making the account for himself. I agree 100% but I also think this is no different than people who sold accounts in the past and have not been tagged. This is something that happened awhile back and probably just needs a neutral tag IMO and for everyone to ~ the account so they can never make DT. Account buying and selling is not illegal, just frowned upon. My personal opinion is red tags should only be given when reputable accounts are found to have changed hands.

I completely disagree with what is in bold. A crime should be judged independently of who commits it. And I don't know what sold account not tagged you are talking about. I have seen many red tagged for being bought or trying to sell them.

That said, I partly share the sentiment you and Hispo have, because this guy is not someone who has swindled half the forum out of tens of thousands of dollars, he is someone who lives in a poor country and is trying to make a living. But there are many people on the forum in poor countries and they don't take the illegitimate fast track.

But at the end of the day, as I said before, maybe he's lucky and his manager keeps him in the campaign. Surely you would accept him in your campaigns if you were managing one, yahoo62278. Maybe other managers as well. Red tags make it more difficult, but not impossible to join campaigns.

Right, Again I also mentioned that there is a chance is not true. What he has said is not impossible to happen (that is also important when someone lies, they need to come up with something not impossible so they could have a chance to successfully deceive others).

Besides of his story on how he allegly got control over that account, the fact he could be also the same person behind a banned account which could have had promoted 1xbit (in my opinion) may be the final nail on the coffin for his reputation.
Since some of the red tags still mention those details, I assume he has not disproved those links yet.

In the end, if more negative evidence comes to light, I may exclude him from my network, not sure if neutral-tag him, since I am not part of DT, so my feedback has no meaningful importance  

[martyns]

This really is a sad situation to be in both for yourself (if your second story is true) and for those that have tagged your account (if they believe your second story).

First of all, from experience I can say that just because you say something it does not mean it has to be true especially after you have already stated an high implausible story about how the account came in to your possession and under your control.

As for those that left tags on your account (neutral or negative), by citing a new story of your financial woes you have simply added more stress to them as they ponder whether the tags should be revised or removed.

All this issue happened because you came in to control of an account either by stealing it from the original creator or by buying it. Whether your story about you being a graduate who is struggling to survive is true or not, the truth is you could have just created an account (alongside this martyns one that you ended up controlling) and built it up rank by rank too. Maybe you already have several accounts that are participating in various campaigns.

As you have been dishonest from the beginning about how you came in to controlling this martyns account it seems difficult to believe anything you will say subsequently.

What do you guys want me to do now? I'm a graduate struggling here to survive,there is no job here in my country,and was using this account to sought out little problems for myself.Its my elder brother who lived at Indonesia who that gift me this account.I have not scammed,spammed or do any illegal activity in this forum ever since I started making posts here.I didn't buy or hack this account.This is the only source of my little income,I will appreciate it if my reputation is redeemed please.

please,I do not own or possess any other account,apart from this Martyns account given to me by my brother,I didn't even have Idea about the fact that account can be bought,I just heard it in the process of this issues coming up against me. As for the time I started using this account,I haven't done anything that warrant a tag on my account,I have always been contributing reasonably in the little way I can.
It will be sad that after all my efforts in bitcointalk, no bad name,no scam accusations,or any other irregularities,my account will be rendered useless.We barely survive in this part of the world,because things are really tough and hard,and when I was managing life through a full member rank,accusations comes up against me,it really hurts.
I believe there are still good and considerate people here,who still understand that some persons are really struggling out there to survive.Nothing has happened during my time of usage of this account,I haven't tarnished anybody's reputation,I have been good with my posts here.Please,I need a reversal of the tags,because life will become more tougher if my account is rendered useless.This forum has been my family ever since this account was gifted to me.I beg for reversal of tags please. Thank you.

[1miau]

As for the time I started using this account,I haven't done anything that warrant a tag on my account,I have always been contributing reasonably in the little way I can.

You should know that DT doesn't like account ownership changes.
And then, your story is completely unproven and we need to trust your word (which is a very weak reason to remove tags from your account).
You should just have started a new account as everyone else did here.

I beg for reversal of tags please. Thank you.

While I'm really trying to give you the benefit of doubt, your story is very unlikely and there are so many coincidences:

Your brother stayed in Indonesia with his family but you are in Nigeria and are well aware of Nigerian politics and culture?  
And he is gifting you that account?
Cool story, bro.

Are you born in Indonesia or Nigeria?
Is your brother born in Indonesia or Nigeria?
And the other account (BlackViruse) tied to your account?
Soo many questions...


I understand your situation and your explanation is not impossible.
I’ve currently issued a neutral trust on your account but what I don’t like at all are lies.
I'm interested to give you the benefit of doubt if you can prove one of these 2 points:

- Sign a message from before your posting gap. You can ask your brother (legitimate owner of these addresses) to do so because you need it for your Bitcointalk account.
OR
- Tell your brother to come on the forum and write an explanatory post in our indonesian local board. Indonesian members of Bitcointalk will review that post if it's really from an indonesian person and asking him questions to make sure you are not just using Google translate.

If you can prove that your story is true by proving one of these 2 points, I won’t change my current neutral trust to negative.
You would just have a neutral trust from me stating your account ownership change.
Of course, I can't speak for DT as DT is a decentralized network.

But I'm giving you the benefit of doubt here.
Now, it's your turn to convince me that your story is true.

[holydarkness]

please,I do not own or possess any other account,apart from this Martyns account given to me by my brother,I didn't even have Idea about the fact that account can be bought,I just heard it in the process of this issues coming up against me. As for the time I started using this account,I haven't done anything that warrant a tag on my account,I have always been contributing reasonably in the little way I can.
[...]

Uhh, wow, what a roller coaster of reading. First thing first, to be clear about why I'm here on this thread, I am not interested to rush in and giving you a negative tag, I'm more compelled to get the bottom of this situation. If you care to indulge me on several questions that crossed my mind. Might sounds stupid and irrelevant, but if you could satisfy my curiosity:

1. What did your brother and your family do in Indonesia? I understand you said he was studying in Indonesia, is he still studying? Currently working? Which part of Indonesia is this, exactly?
2. I also noticed that you said you just graduated and jobless... that put you like... early twenties? How about your brother? How old is he?
3. Now this is quite serious. The bolded part of your post I quoted, if you don't have other account, can you explain how you shared the same address as BlackViruse as unearthed by decodx here?

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

[snip]

I really have no idea why some members are jumping and leaving neutral / Negative feedback. Has the account accused for scamming or scammed anyone yet? No.
Okay account is changed hand [looks obvious] but is he using the reputation earned by the hands that were controlling the account before him? I don't see any from the feedback page until the recent ones. So what is the warrant? The account seems to me purely interested in signature campaign, which is not a sin.

Don't we have accounts around here who are changed hand? Not even few weeks ago some of us were in a discussion and one of the account was changed hand but all of us gave him a pass because we do not think the account will do any harm for the community then why it's different for this account?

Can we stop the account hunting things and putting the account owners in pressure with the excuse that they will scam? What are we gaining from it?

I have left a neutral tag for now and will remove it or turn it red depending on what he posts to address the concerns. Thank you lovesmayfamilis for continuously being active and to keep an eye on what is going on in the forum.

Stop your Bullshit. Now I see you left a negative which means you started this tagging things on the account which eventually started to influence others to change their mind too. If lovesmayfamilis started with a neutral tag with the topic when he started, then I will start thinking differently about him/her too but I doubt he/she started it.

[_BlackStar]

-snip-

Moreover, the address found by decodx first appeared on the forum with a Blacviruse account. Does this tell you something?
Blacviruse account is currently banned, which is another red flag against Martyns for violating the lockdown rules.
Who do you think should worry about proving their innocence?

I'm not defending the martyns in this case. I have said that the account very likely has changed hands based on the evidence and also martyns admitted it through his defense post, but who would believe it after someone found out some alt of him. The case is further complicated because one of the alt martyns has been banned, so it is very likely that martin will also be banned.

If by now the martyns case had been escalated as a ban evasion case, then I knew it had broken the rules instead of simply changing hands.

[dkbit98]

My account isn't a hacked one or a bought account,this account is a gift from my late brother  on my birthday,he schooled and lived at Indonesia with his family and remember to give me this account after he stopped usage of it for a long while,I live and stay in Nigeria,while my brother stayed at Indonesia with his family.

Sorry but I don't believe at all in this made up story of late brother who lived in Indonesia but never once wrote in Nigerian language in forum before he allegedly gave you ownership of this account.
Indonesia and Nigeria have nothing in common, and I never before heard of guy from Nigeria living in Indonesia  

but my account is not one of them,it's a gift from my brother,please.

You never before heard that if you admit something it could be forgiven, but not if you continue making up stories like this.

I need a reversal of the tags,because life will become more tougher if my account is rendered useless.This forum has been my family ever since this account was gifted to me.I beg for reversal of tags please. Thank you.

I could consider removing my feedback if you finally admit truth and show proof who sold you this account, or show us photos of your Nigerian brother living in Indonesia, I would love to see either one.

Tell your brother to come on the forum and write an explanatory post in our indonesian local board.

Dude, it's not going to happen because his alleged ''brother'' is dead aka ''late'' according to him.

I really have no idea why some members are jumping and leaving neutral / Negative feedback.

Because he is making up stupid stories.
If he admits the truth I am think most people would remove negative feedbacks, but I don't see anything wrong with neutral feedback in this case.

[JollyGood]

After looking into this further, it appears the user will probably not reply here, because they know they've been busted....  

I would just tag him as a bought account if he does not come here to answer myself, I'm sure someone left something on this account by now anyways..

The martyns account has received several tags (both neutral and negative). The problem for him is he dug a deeper hole for himself by posting here trying to justify his account ownership.

please,I do not own or possess any other account,apart from this Martyns account given to me by my brother,I didn't even have Idea about the fact that account can be bought,I just heard it in the process of this issues coming up against me. As for the time I started using this account,I haven't done anything that warrant a tag on my account,I have always been contributing reasonably in the little way I can.
[...]

Uhh, wow, what a roller coaster of reading. First thing first, to be clear about why I'm here on this thread, I am not interested to rush in and giving you a negative tag, I'm more compelled to get the bottom of this situation. If you care to indulge me on several questions that crossed my mind. Might sounds stupid and irrelevant, but if you could satisfy my curiosity:

1. What did your brother and your family do in Indonesia? I understand you said he was studying in Indonesia, is he still studying? Currently working? Which part of Indonesia is this, exactly?
2. I also noticed that you said you just graduated and jobless... that put you like... early twenties? How about your brother? How old is he?
3. Now this is quite serious. The bolded part of your post I quoted, if you don't have other account, can you explain how you shared the same address as BlackViruse as unearthed by decodx here?

Now let us see if he returns here to reply directly to your questions. I do think he will because he would like to try to have the negative and neutral trust removed but we will see.

[decodx]

Let me clarify the matter here, as it appears that some members are a bit confused.

His previous account, BlackViruse was banned for evading the ban (alt of Blackpussy), and he has openly admitted to engaging in this deceptive behavior since 2015:

Abeg make Una dey careful with the wallet Una dey use the one I use for my  2015 banned account bounty hunting days I make mistake use am for signature campaign den ban the account the same day my mama die na high bp I go through una brother Blackpussy Don show for jungle again make Una try for me

archive: https://ninjastic.space/post/55567712

And it's abundantly clear that this is not an innocent mistake made by a novice or a one-time occurrence: Newbie But Not Beginner.

While I initially gave a neutral trust to wait for his explanation, I see no issue with others giving negative. Anyone who is ready to fabricate stories about deceased family members cannot be considered trustworthy.

Oh, and just for your information, his so-called "brother," the original owner of the account, is apparently alive and thriving, as per his Facebook profile. It's a miracle, right?

Facebook account: https://www.facebook.com/msinulingga1

archive: https://ninjastic.space/post/24713930

[Bitcoin_Arena]

>>snip<<

IMO the feedback left on the profile is justified, and I do hope the ban evasion rule catches up with him when the mods properly link up the accounts

Worse still, he is just making up stories and telling lies, which definitely is behavior that can not be trusted. The account could have even been hacked/stolen for all we know. So why can't such an account have a warning showing that It changed hands?

[JollyGood]

Excellent post. I think he still will post here in the hope of trying to have both the neutral and negative tags removed but to be clear here, I did not know he was a double ban evader. Ah well, let us wait to read what martyns has to say about it in response.

Let me clarify the matter here, as it appears that some members are a bit confused.

His previous account, BlackViruse was banned for evading the ban (alt of Blackpussy), and he has openly admitted to engaging in this deceptive behavior since 2015:

Abeg make Una dey careful with the wallet Una dey use the one I use for my  2015 banned account bounty hunting days I make mistake use am for signature campaign den ban the account the same day my mama die na high bp I go through una brother Blackpussy Don show for jungle again make Una try for me

archive: https://ninjastic.space/post/55567712

And it's abundantly clear that this is not an innocent mistake made by a novice or a one-time occurrence: Newbie But Not Beginner.

While I initially gave a neutral trust to wait for his explanation, I see no issue with others giving negative. Anyone who is ready to fabricate stories about deceased family members cannot be considered trustworthy.

Oh, and just for your information, his so-called "brother," the original owner of the account, is apparently alive and thriving, as per his Facebook profile. It's a miracle, right?

Facebook account: https://www.facebook.com/msinulingga1

archive: https://ninjastic.space/post/24713930

[1miau]

Tell your brother to come on the forum and write an explanatory post in our indonesian local board.

Dude, it's not going to happen because his alleged ''brother'' is dead aka ''late'' according to him.

Come on, please don't give him pre-fabricated stupid excuses. 
I really want to read one more unique shitposter apologist story and you are endangering that from coming true. 

So, plz, Sir! Give this shitposter a fair chance. 

Excellent post. I think he still will post here in the hope of trying to have both the neutral and negative tags removed but to be clear here, I did not know he was a double ban evader. Ah well, let us wait to read what martyns has to say about it in response.

Yes, let's wait for his reply.
I'm very eager to hear it. 

[yahoo62278]

Try to give a guy the benefit of doubt and more and more just keeps popping up. My feelings on the matter of account sales still stand though, neutral unless a reputable account is the route I would take. This particular case just gets worse every minute unfortunately.

[martyns]

Sorry,,but,I have to show some,private chat between me and my bro when he gifted me the account last year before my birthday.





I don't know who the blackvirus account belongs to,, it a Nigerian guy I met on telegram that has been helping apply for campaign when i was new here and help me convert my earnings to Naira





 I share my password to him, to help me apply for signature campaigns,,I have no ideal to do it then,,,,, last year July 2022


He helped me,,apply for Betfury with my BTC address and I ask him to help me with Bsc address since I don't know what that is before




This is my first Betfury earnings he help me convert token,,from his BSc to naira I have no access to that wallet,, I only ask him to help me.



He shown me Nigeria board too last year to post,, please I'm not Blackvirus,,,our writting is different please help me,, I'm surviving on this earnings help me,,,Im not scamming,,just to work and help in my little way,,,

I'm a graduate struggling, no job,,, help me please I'm not doing fraud,,, not scam,, just earning some money for living till I get a job, help me.

[1miau]

Sorry,,but,I have to show some,private chat between me and my bro when he gifted me the account last year before my birthday.

Do you realize your chats are wrong way around?
In these messages, you are the one giving him that account and he's asking questions about obviously directly joining a campaign, what you recommended him to avoid (waiting at least 50-70 posts, LOL)
Not suspicious at all, dude. 

Can your indonesian brother come here on Bitcointalk and write an indonesian post? 

[martyns]

Sorry,,but,I have to show some,private chat between me and my bro when he gifted me the account last year before my birthday.

Do you realize your chats are wrong way around?
In these messages, you are the one giving him that account and he's asking questions about obviously directly joining a campaign, what you recommended him to avoid (waiting at least 50-70 posts, LOL)
Not suspicious at all, dude. 

Can your indonesian brother come here on Bitcointalk and write an indonesian post? 

I asked a question,, and he replied do you have any idea how WhatsApp works,,, why you hating me and not seeing all the chats and date,,, please check again and help me.

[1miau]

Sorry,,but,I have to show some,private chat between me and my bro when he gifted me the account last year before my birthday.
...

Do you realize your chats are wrong way around?
In these messages, you are the one giving him that account and he's asking questions about obviously directly joining a campaign, what you recommended him to avoid (waiting at least 50-70 posts, LOL)
Not suspicious at all, dude. 

Can your indonesian brother come here on Bitcointalk and write an indonesian post? 

I asked a question,, and he replied do you have any idea how WhatsApp works,,, why you hating me and not seeing all the chats and date,,, please check again and help me.

Your excuse doesn't make sense at all...
I'm not hating you, I'm just giving you the benefit of doubt.
But how should I treat your screenshots considering the fact that you've said you've screenshotted your conversation but you are the one giving him that account (which is wrong way around according to your story). I have WhatsApp as well and you are the one having double checkmarks (sender) and you (sender) are giving him account details + advice how to start shitposting participating in a campaign.
So, in your screenshots, your chats are wrong way around, dude.

Can your indonesian brother come here on Bitcointalk and write an indonesian post?

[decodx]

Do you realize your chats are wrong way around?
In these messages, you are the one giving him that account and he's asking questions about obviously directly joining a campaign, what you recommended him to avoid (waiting at least 50-70 posts, LOL)
Not suspicious at all, dude.  

Can your indonesian brother come here on Bitcointalk and write an indonesian post?  

I asked a question,, and he replied do you have any idea how WhatsApp works,,, why you hating me and not seeing all the chats and date,,, please check again and help me.

Oh, bravo! Someone's clearly a WhatsApp expert here!  

By the way, just in case you were curious, the messages you sent are on the right side of the screen, and the double tick mark below them means they have been delivered and/or seen. But I'm sure you already knew that, right? Well, congratulations! You've just added another nail to your own coffin. 

[mikeywith]

Try to give a guy the benefit of doubt and more and more just keeps popping up. My feelings on the matter of account sales still stand though, neutral unless a reputable account is the route I would take. This particular case just gets worse every minute unfortunately.

I know I couldn't be more sure about the fact that he is making up all those stories, and it's more than likely that he bought the account, but with all due respect to the fellow DT members who tagged him negatively I don't think it's justified, if I were a campaign manager I probably wouldn't hire a bought account with the assumption that if a person can't build his own account -- he would unlikely benefit the campaign, but on what bases do I think that person is untrustworthy or a scammer?

Let's just pretend that someone manages to prove that the  "theymos" account has changed hands 7 years ago, and the real "theymos" died and passed it to his "brother", are we going to tag the account? is it really the person behind the account that matters or the account itself? to me, it feels like the tags on his account judge the person rather than the 'persona' that currently operates the account, it's like we know that the real person behind the account 1miau for example is not a serial killer in real life , we don't, but via his posts and my interactions with him, I know that his online-persona is to be trusted. So if someone proves that 1miau is a terrible person in real life -- that wouldn't change my point of view in regards to 1miau's forum persona.

Now begs the question, has martyns committed any scam or untrustworthy behavior after the day he got his hands on the account?

[Plaguedeath]

Many users kept questioning if the account had commit scam or cheat in the past, let's see this below.

First, check this post where YOSHIE's give a proof if dreamsnight and martyns are alt accounts. Both of them joined in the same campaign [ＢＯＵＮＴＹ] 📒⭐👑 Jinbi Token ~ The Golden ICO - Merging Gold With Blockchain 👑⭐📒 and there's a rule about usage of multiple accounts aren't allowed. The campaign spreadsheet either get deleted or privated, but as we can see both of the accounts have an intention to join twitter and telegram campaign.

#Proof of Authentication

Twitter Campaign
Twitter Profile Link: https://twitter.com/Martinia_shg
Twitter Username: @Martinia_shg

Telegram Campaign
Telegram Username: @eekosanto

Eth address: 0xaf554e5961ce7532DbbE48d2B945F9C0dB4A041C

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#Proof of Authentication
Twitter : https://www.twitter.com/eko_3s
Telegram : @dreamsnight
ETH : 0xC9e8663e0E81F7841492C81c9442Fa4B6a65E2dC

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• Using multi-accounts, cheating and spamming are not allowed. It will results getting all of your accounts permanently banned from all my campaigns

So if anyone think leaving negative feedback with changed hands reason isn't correct in this case, you can give negative feedback with a reason of cheating using multiple accounts. Same applies with users who leave neutral feedback, I think this case already clear.

[Poker Player]

It is curious to see how certain people see the negative feedback as excessive, but instead see the negative feedback on my profile, which the author himself has admitted is in a grey area, as justified.

This case reminds me a lot of Naim027's case. Everybody defending him because poor guy, he only plagiarized in the past several times, and he didn't do it again, and he only sent himself some merits among his alts, but poor guy, he didn't do it again, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

In this case, as in that one, the more you stretch, the more things come out.

I have reported this case in the ban evading thread, but maybe even he will be lucky and will not be banned again, as happened with Naim027, with the moderation of this forum you never know.

[martyns]

It is curious to see how certain people see the negative feedback as excessive, but instead see the negative feedback on my profile, which the author himself has admitted is in a grey area, as justified.

This case reminds me a lot of Naim027's case. Everybody defending him because poor guy, he only plagiarized in the past several times, and he didn't do it again, and he only sent himself some merits among his alts, but poor guy, he didn't do it again, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

In this case, as in that one, the more you stretch, the more things come out.

I have reported this case in the ban evading thread, but maybe even he will be lucky and will not be banned again, as happened with Naim027, with the moderation of this forum you never know.

I see every human as people who have a kind heart,and as people who if they see a brother dieing of hunger,they won't hesitate to offer help.I also know there are rules governing this community,which if one violates it,the person will be penalized,i also accept that there might be some breaches in the past when this account was under the custody of my brother which you did not dig out when it was with him,why now that I'm now handling the account,why do you want to end a poor life.i thought with the little effort have made in trying to show that ever since this account got to my hands,I have never scammed,spammed or plagiarise.Why dont you pity me and help me.Its just a full member rank.I know you can't let a poor begger beg you food without offering help.There some are parts of the world where hunger and starvation dominates,I have been using this full member rank to help myself and my family who suffered to train me in school,and now I should go back and tell them I have lost my source of income as a result of the past record my brother had while he was still active in this forum,it's really heartbreaking.Up till now,I haven't known much things about the forum,and I can't carry out a criminal act when I know this forum is the only reason I am leaving without being depressed of the fact that I finished school,and haven't gotten a job yet.And I promise that in as much as this account is still with me,I won't do anything that goes against the rule of this loving community.Please check my posts ever since I started handling this account,you will see that I hardly make posts that will pose a threat on my existence here,I'm always conscious of the fact that I'm fed by this community,and I won't bite the hands that feed me.Please,I still love to be a part of this community,don't use the past record of my brother to judge me,be considerate,and know not all humans are living a wealthy life,some barely survive from the least you could ever think it will be enough to satisfy them.Please be kind to me.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Its just a full member rank.

Look, stop crying and pushing for pity.
If you say it's "just a full member account," why don't you start developing it yourself?
Maybe I should make a list of people from your country who made a "legend" account with their own hands? Maybe take a look at these guys? The one who every day tries to write everything himself and not invent stories, carefully correcting his lies, first about his brother living in Indonesia, but after a minute making him dead (see his editorial in the archives). Go read everyone who lives in your country and does not whine about how hard it is for him but sits and writes in his self-created account. How are you better than them?

In addition, you bought an account, which means you are not completely poor if you allow yourself to bypass the rules of the forum.
Learn to lose with dignity.

For all those who feel sorry for this "cunning" guy: Can the forum do charity and give out high ranks to such crybabies who, being young, do not want to do anything themselves?   And maybe even pay them extra? Yes, there are many bought and stolen accounts here, but many were bought a long time ago. The same story is fresh; in 2021, the forum condemned such transformations of changing hands. And I always assumed that if you bought someone else's account, maybe you should check everything that the previous owner did in the past. No one would have noticed anything if he had not started writing in his local section

[JollyGood]

Many users kept questioning if the account had commit scam or cheat in the past, let's see this below.

~snip~

So if anyone think leaving negative feedback with changed hands reason isn't correct in this case, you can give negative feedback with a reason of cheating using multiple accounts. Same applies with users who leave neutral feedback, I think this case already clear.

It seems to get worse for martyns as he tried very hard to save the account from receiving negative tags.

It is curious to see how certain people see the negative feedback as excessive, but instead see the negative feedback on my profile, which the author himself has admitted is in a grey area, as justified.

It is simply another example of hypocrisy and there are many cases, as you and others must have noticed. The one on your profile is clearly revenge based and as it is retaliatory it should not even be there.

This case reminds me a lot of Naim027's case. Everybody defending him because poor guy, he only plagiarized in the past several times, and he didn't do it again, and he only sent himself some merits among his alts, but poor guy, he didn't do it again, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

He received a lot of sympathy at the beginning but in the end when the lies and alt-accounts were exposed, members should have learned from supporting such cases. I know each issue should be taken on case-by-case basis but there has to be a degree of flexibility.

In this case, as in that one, the more you stretch, the more things come out.

In some ways it is good martyns is defending himself but lie after lie is not exactly a good defence to put forward. I cannot work out why he/she/they simply cannot register new accounts and build up rank in order to join signature campaigns rather than go down the "it was given to me" or "I am poor" route.

I have reported this case in the ban evading thread, but maybe even he will be lucky and will not be banned again, as happened with Naim027, with the moderation of this forum you never know.

There is a possibility moderators could take action but you have done the right thing by reporting him. Now it is up to them.

Its just a full member rank.

Look, stop crying and pushing for pity.
If you say it's "just a full member account," why don't you start developing it yourself?

There is no excuse for any member to not build up their own account even if they are farming them for multiple bounty and campaign participation. Why the need to buy?

In addition, you bought an account, which means you are not completely poor if you allow yourself to bypass the rules of the forum.
Learn to lose with dignity.

He will try his best to keep posting a new story (even more extravagant than the previous one) while he tries to put forward a sympathetic case asking for the tags to be revised or removed.

For all those who feel sorry for this "cunning" guy: Can the forum do charity and give out high ranks to such crybabies who, being young, do not want to do anything themselves?   And maybe even pay them extra? Yes, there are many bought and stolen accounts here, but many were bought a long time ago. The same story is fresh; in 2021, the forum condemned such transformations of changing hands. And I always assumed that if you bought someone else's account, maybe you should check everything that the previous owner did in the past. No one would have noticed anything if he had not started writing in his local section

It seems with the previous banned accounts linked to him, he could even more accounts under his controlled. The problem is that he has lied repetitively and now there is no way to trust him regardless of what he will say.

[348Judah]

Base on what i can deduce here, it's either the account got sold to another user who happened to be from another country and soeak a different language entirely or the user is an unspecific person trying to proof smartness by intruding into other locale languages in other for him not to be traced to a particular one, well i believe he's upto something for doing that, making a comment on other local is not the crime but rather showing a dubious display of smartness of appearing anywhere, the google could easily help translate every discussion you needed into the locale language as desired and all we know is that English is a general and acceptable common language everyone can speak, learn or claim.

[holydarkness]

[...] There some are parts of the world where hunger and starvation dominates,I have been using this full member rank to help myself and my family who suffered to train me in school,and now I should go back and tell them I have lost my source of income as a result of the past record my brother had while he was still active in this forum,it's really heartbreaking.[...]

Err, I thought your family stays in Indonesia with your brother?

My account isn't a hacked one or a bought account,this account is a gift from my late brother  on my birthday,he schooled and lived at Indonesia with his family and remember to give me this account after he stopped usage of it for a long while,I live and stay in Nigeria,while my brother stayed at Indonesia with his family.[...]

Ahh... You're meaning to say he's living in Indonesia with his own family, as in his wife and children, while you stay in Nigeria with the big family of both of your parents and other siblings? It will be nice and might helps clear out several issues if you can answer me these previous questions, though:

[...]
1. What did your brother and your family do in Indonesia? I understand you said he was studying in Indonesia, is he still studying? Currently working? Which part of Indonesia is this, exactly?
2. I also noticed that you said you just graduated and jobless... that put you like... early twenties? How about your brother? How old is he?
3. Now this is quite serious. The bolded part of your post I quoted, if you don't have other account, can you explain how you shared the same address as BlackViruse as unearthed by decodx here?

Number 3 is arguably answered --though I have a question about that too, but it has to wait-- so you can leave that out.

[FatFork]

Sorry,,but,I have to show some,private chat between me and my bro when he gifted me the account last year before my birthday.
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Sorry, but those screenshots you provided show that YOU gave access information to someone, not the other way around. (Assuming that the chats are legit and not fabricated). You probably mixed up your WhatsApp accounts and took a screenshot from the wrong one.

I don't know who the blackvirus account belongs to,, it a Nigerian guy I met on telegram that has been helping apply for campaign when i was new here and help me convert my earnings to Naira

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 I share my password to him, to help me apply for signature campaigns,,I have no ideal to do it then,,,,, last year July 2022

Your story doesn't add up. Even if we were to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that your story about the gift account from your brother is true, there's no way you're telling the truth about this part. The chat screenshots clearly show that you claim to have had a conversation about this on July 17th and supposedly shared your btc address and login details with someone you met on Telegram. But that's a load of rubbish because you had already applied to multiple signature campaigns using that exact same btc address several days before! It's obvious that you're lying through your teeth!

Proof of your application to the StarBets.io campaign from July 12: https://ninjastic.space/post/60556700
Proof of your application to the Shaker.finance campaign from July 15: https://ninjastic.space/post/60570965

He shown me Nigeria board too last year to post,, please I'm not Blackvirus,,,our writting is different please help me,, I'm surviving on this earnings help me,,,Im not scamming,,just to work and help in my little way,,,

Seriously? More lies? Your feeble attempts to manipulate the truth are utterly transparent, and your credibility is non-existent. Stop trying to pull the wool over our eyes with your blatant falsehoods. After reading everything in this thread, I have absolutely no sympathy for you. If you had been honest from the start, you might have received a few neutral trust ratings on your account to indicate the change in account ownership. However, your dishonesty has exposed your true character. Even if we ignore your repeated attempts at ban evasion, playing the pity card has only resulted in earning you negative trust.

[m2017]

~snip

What do you guys want me to do now? I'm a graduate struggling here to survive,there is no job here in my country,and was using this account to sought out little problems for myself.Its my elder brother who lived at Indonesia who that gift me this account.I have not scammed,spammed or do any illegal activity in this forum ever since I started making posts here.I didn't buy or hack this account.This is the only source of my little income,I will appreciate it if my reputation is redeemed please.
[/quote]
In my opinion, everything is very clearly written here. Except for the tales about the brother from Indonesia (or is it still true?).

~snip
Can your indonesian brother come here on Bitcointalk and write an indonesian post? 

Oh, it must be something out of fiction.
Perhaps we will wait for a curious and interesting story from him.

~snip

Regardless of whether what martyns said is true and this account has not been bought/hacked, in any case, the community will not approve of the transfer of he's account. Even if his brother creates a separate topic with consideration of the transfer of the account (I doubt that this will happen and martyns will not be able to confirm his words in any way).

~snip
Learn to lose with dignity.
~snip

Probably, this will be the last thing martyns needs to learn on the forum.

There is nothing more to add here.

[Hispo]

It is curious to see how certain people see the negative feedback as excessive, but instead see the negative feedback on my profile, which the author himself has admitted is in a grey area, as justified.

This case reminds me a lot of Naim027's case. Everybody defending him because poor guy, he only plagiarized in the past several times, and he didn't do it again, and he only sent himself some merits among his alts, but poor guy, he didn't do it again, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

In this case, as in that one, the more you stretch, the more things come out.

I have reported this case in the ban evading thread, but maybe even he will be lucky and will not be banned again, as happened with Naim027, with the moderation of this forum you never know.

Not my intention to derail the thread whatsoever, but it would be quite ironic if ultimately the legacy of our friend Naim027 was making people around here more unforgiving when comes to cases similar to his in the slightest way.

So you guys are analyzing Whatsapp chats now?
Do not mind me, just curious what you are up to and I cannot load pictures on this phone rn.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

If he admits the truth I am think most people would remove negative feedbacks, but I don't see anything wrong with neutral feedback in this case.

Nothing wrong with the neutral [not something looks good too when there are such context there] but a red seems very aggressive. And the way bunches of people chasing the account it seems they are trying everything to justify the red because it's already left there and it has to be there.

Try to give a guy the benefit of doubt and more and more just keeps popping up. My feelings on the matter of account sales still stand though, neutral unless a reputable account is the route I would take. This particular case just gets worse every minute unfortunately.

I know I couldn't be more sure about the fact that he is making up all those stories, and it's more than likely that he bought the account, but with all due respect to the fellow DT members who tagged him negatively I don't think it's justified, if I were a campaign manager I probably wouldn't hire a bought account with the assumption that if a person can't build his own account -- he would unlikely benefit the campaign, but on what bases do I think that person is untrustworthy or a scammer?

Let's just pretend that someone manages to prove that the  "theymos" account has changed hands 7 years ago, and the real "theymos" died and passed it to his "brother", are we going to tag the account? is it really the person behind the account that matters or the account itself? to me, it feels like the tags on his account judge the person rather than the 'persona' that currently operates the account, it's like we know that the real person behind the account 1miau for example is not a serial killer in real life , we don't, but via his posts and my interactions with him, I know that his online-persona is to be trusted. So if someone proves that 1miau is a terrible person in real life -- that wouldn't change my point of view in regards to 1miau's forum persona.

Now begs the question, has martyns committed any scam or untrustworthy behavior after the day he got his hands on the account?

Everything can't be written better than this. Well said.

To answer the question, he hasn't looking from the feedback history which was empty before this topic created. So it does not warrant any red feedback. Will he scam in the future? That will be a stupid question to ask. All I see is the account is doing everything to earn from signature campaign.

[examplens]

Can your indonesian brother come here on Bitcointalk and write an indonesian post?

Isn't it interesting that two brothers in personal communication via WhatsApp do not speak in their natural (Naija) language, but in English?

If he admits the truth I am think most people would remove negative feedbacks, but I don't see anything wrong with neutral feedback in this case.

Nothing wrong with the neutral [not something looks good too when there are such context there] but a red seems very aggressive. And the way bunches of people chasing the account it seems they are trying everything to justify the red because it's already left there and it has to be there.

The biggest martyns mistake is this invented story about the brother and giving away the account, now it is much harder to defend the suspicion that it is an alt from a banned account. Certainly, the red tag is too aggressive at the moment unless the original owner appears with the claim that the account was hacked/stolen.

[Cantsay]

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I asked a question,, and he replied do you have any idea how WhatsApp works,,, why you hating me and not seeing all the chats and date, please check again and help me.

Just as others have said the way your WhatsApp messages appeared made it look like you were the one that gifted the person at the other end of the conversation, and besides the chat image you provided tells us nothing because in less than 20 minutes a chat like you provided can be created.

Here is what I mean:


As you can see I can a even it's very easy to form chat, if you want I can also create the other chats you provided above. I am also change the date and time if you want me to...

Isn't it interesting that two brothers in personal communication via WhatsApp do not speak in their natural (Naija) language, but in English?

I'd say he only just made up those story to make it more convincing, I'm sure if this thread continue and more evidence are being added he'll definitely let the cat out of the bag.


App used to create the chat above : WhatsMock (on playstore)

[Poker Player]

Certainly, the red tag is too aggressive at the moment...

Well, obviously it doesn't seem aggressive to me or three other people who have left red tags.

Royse777 has been online and martyns has continued posting so I think he has explicitly or implicitly understood that he can continue in the campaign. The ban evasion issue usually takes a little more time but maybe he will get away too.

If so, I congratulate martyns, but without more data my red tag stands. I just modified it to include the ban evasion, and it wasn't because I wanted it to appear at the top, there is no other option when you modify a tag.

[holydarkness]

Not my intention to derail the thread whatsoever, but it would be quite ironic if ultimately the legacy of our friend Naim027 was making people around here more unforgiving when comes to cases similar to his in the slightest way.

So you guys are analyzing Whatsapp chats now?
Do not mind me, just curious what you are up to and I cannot load pictures on this phone rn.

Not necessarily analyzing whatsapp chat, it doesn't need a rocket science either to understand that the screenshot is a bit odd if you got a chance to see them yourself. Simplified, the screenshot of those chat are a little bit strange and didn't quite matched the current narrative. The one giving the account, as well as the chat with blackviruse, is on the right hand side of the screen, indicating that the screenshot was taken from his brother's --and blackviruse's-- phone instead of his own.

Though it is probable that he asked his brother to send the screenshot --which a bit strange because he can do it himself-- or consulted to his brother about the current issue and the brother propose to post evidences in form of screenshot which the brother send it from his side [people here might stone me alive because I gave him idea by posting this], it doesn't explain the part from blackviruse. I can't imagine I would ask a stranger to send me a screenshot of our conversation when I can do it myself.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

The biggest martyns mistake is this invented story about the brother and giving away the account, now it is much harder to defend the suspicion that it is an alt from a banned account. Certainly, the red tag is too aggressive at the moment unless the original owner appears with the claim that the account was hacked/stolen.

What do you expect? How many accounts you can name were given a chance when they admitted their mistakes. This forum does not work that way. There are some exceptional cases but from my observation I have seen many users admitted their mistakes but they never got a pass. Others were learning from it. So when someone get caught in something that is not standard practice on the forum they take their chance. It's a bad thing but if they can handle it well then all good. However, who would you blame for it? The victim or the ones who made a job to push others having fun asking stupid questions so that they can keep the tag they left. Sometimes I find it interesting that a group of users do all these all the time to keep their road clean so that no new competition come in their way and they can keep earning from the signature campaigns or build their accounts to benefit only for them.

The forum as a whole benefits when there are brotherhood and forgiveness for each others. It attracts others to join you and make you bigger. Only a few of us who know the environment well, it's a good place but ask someone who is not familiar with the community. For them it's a place which is not good for spending time as there are people who always try to devalue others and they insults other all the time. For accounts like you and me who have already established name, things are easy but ask a newbie or a lower rank member, for them it's a measurable place. They always take the insults, bad behaviors as like they have no value in the community. A group of people are making the place insecure for expanding the place.

Certainly, the red tag is too aggressive at the moment...

Well, obviously it doesn't seem aggressive to me or three other people who have left red tags.

It is aggressive. I don't think we need a vote here.

Three people left tag so far. Nothing new to say about JollyGood. You, perhaps a new invention is trying to make it a good place [questionable though] in your own way but it's not good how you are spreading things wrong way for several others. Not sure about lovesmayfamilis but you and JollyGood are aggressive for any case that pops up. I hope it does not feel you good to scratch others. There are few others from my look but let's not bring them since they are not involved in the case or did not leave a tag yet.

I imagine a place without some of you and in that case the forum as a whole would do better job. We could have more people joining in the forum and making the community even bigger. I am sorry if that hits you and hurts but it's the truth.

[dkbit98]

Sorry but you are digging your hole deeper with each new post...
Cringe story, new screenshot confusion, speaking English with late bro because wazzzup banned Naira, and more begging that is not allowed in forum.
Sir martyns If you had money to purchase this account you should be more careful and try to improve your post quality, that is very low quality.
I can't read and understand many of your posts and that goes way back looking at your post history.

[1miau]

Dear mikeywith,

while 1miau really appreciates your high quality posts on Bitcointalk, it needs to defend itself here against untrue, unproven and outrageous speculations against itself.

it's like we know that the real person behind the account 1miau for example is not a serial killer in real life , we don't...

Because (luckily), such a speculation against 1miau is wrong in 2 different ways:

We are currently in digital space here. Digital space is much different from anything else, before digital space was created.
Digital space has very distinctive characteristics, quite different from physical space, where cities, nature etc. do exist.  
And we can't commit serial killings here, maybe just murdering by words.
So, such a speculative suggestion can't be true.
Bitcointalk is a digital space.
1miau can only exist here, on the internet. It's just an imaginary, digital entity.
If digital space ceases to exist, so do we, dear mikeywith (and Bitcoin as well). It's really sad to think about it but we can't change it, dear mikeywith.  

I'll quote Lauda, in addition:

After this post, "Lauda" will cease to exist. By that I mean: The faceless virtual persona named "Lauda", who exists only in cypherspace, will become detached from its "soul", and left as an empty shell. "Lauda" has abruptly reached end-of-life. Of course, this is the inverse of the usual way of thinking.
...

This fate will also happen to 1meow one day.  
But this day is still far away, hopefully.  


Second, such an assumption is an unproven and completely fabricated claim, based purely on speculation.
1miau doesn't engage in serial killings.  
Such a claim is an outrageous defamation against 1miau and damages 1miau's great reputation here on Bitcointalk.  

Now begs the question, has martyns committed any scam or untrustworthy behavior after the day he got his hands on the account?

Engaging in account sales, where a ranked acccount is losing "its digital identity" (selling), is creating a situation, where all achievements are (or should be) meaningless.
It's not just against our digital ethics, it's also about fairness.  
Therefore, the account is losing all credibility, all achievements, as a new account should have been created.
In addition, it's causing spam and enables account sellers / scamming by account sellers.
Even if his story is true, DT needs to decide if that's still acceptable.

I have tried to give martyns a chance to tell his story but even then, his outright lies are obvious.
He should just create a new account, write good posts and earn his Merit as everyone else does.

Sorry,,but,I have to show some,private chat between me and my bro when he gifted me the account last year before my birthday.
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Sorry, but those screenshots you provided show that YOU gave access information to someone, not the other way around. (Assuming that the chats are legit and not fabricated). You probably mixed up your WhatsApp accounts and took a screenshot from the wrong one.

Exactly that and the screenshots from his Binance WhatsApp guy are also wrong way round.
So, both guys (his brother and his random Binance WhatsApp guy) just made screenshots from their conversation with martyns, sent it to him and martyns posted that as a proof here on Bitcointalk.
How likely is that? Not likely at all...
As you've said, martyns messed up and screenshottet his fabricated conversation from the wrong side.  

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

martyns messed up and screenshottet his fabricated conversation from the wrong side. 

He is stupid and clearly he does not know how to deal in this type of situation. It's obvious that the account is changed hand.

[John Abraham]

martyns messed up and screenshottet his fabricated conversation from the wrong side. 

He is stupid and clearly he does not know how to deal in this type of situation. It's obvious that the account is changed hand.

I thought he would say the screenshots were taken from his brother's side for some reason. But, I was surprised when he asked if 1miau understand how Whatsapp works. Or maybe he did not understand the question due to language barriers.

Of course, the account changed hands and he admits it. But, he came up with lies over and over. But, I am curious how the community will take such cases if they tell the truth. I read BitcoinGirl's previous post and I am curious. I don't think I've seen anyone get a chance from the community. At the same time, I did not see anyone create a thread saying they are guilty of something. Maybe because they are afraid of getting a negative tag from the DT network?

He bought the account, got exposed, and got some negative tags. The question in my head is, What if he does not come up with stories and tell the community "Yes, I bought the account". How community would react then? Give him a 2nd chance, or tag him? If the community still tags him, what is the difference between being honest and lying?

[JollyGood]

Seriously? More lies? Your feeble attempts to manipulate the truth are utterly transparent, and your credibility is non-existent.

His reputation is in tatters now because of the lies but the thing to note before that was he did have opportunities to redeem himself. It seems as though he concocted elaborate stories about how he ended up in control of the martyns accounts and he did it for the sake of attempting to gain sympathy because he wanted to use it for enrolling in signature campaigns and that is the reason why he will not be taken seriously in the forum again.
 

Stop trying to pull the wool over our eyes with your blatant falsehoods. After reading everything in this thread, I have absolutely no sympathy for you. If you had been honest from the start, you might have received a few neutral trust ratings on your account to indicate the change in account ownership. However, your dishonesty has exposed your true character. Even if we ignore your repeated attempts at ban evasion, playing the pity card has only resulted in earning you negative trust.

With a few neutral and maybe a negative trust he could have continued to post without concern and over time maybe his tags would have been removed or revised in a beneficial manner to him but as his stories were designed to seek pity rather explain the truth he lost that opportunity too. I originally left a neutral tag but revised it to negative after reading subsequent posts.

Poker Player correctly updated his negative tag to include the ban evasion part, I think I will do that too but right now I will see what else is being posted before I revise it just in case other things also need to be added.

Can your indonesian brother come here on Bitcointalk and write an indonesian post?

Isn't it interesting that two brothers in personal communication via WhatsApp do not speak in their natural (Naija) language, but in English?

Stranger things have happened  

I have tried to give martyns a chance to tell his story but even then, his outright lies are obvious.
He should just create a new account, write good posts and earn his Merit as everyone else does.

You are right, it really is as simple as that. If he creates a new account and contributes to the forum and earns merits, he will be joining signature campaigns again but how many accounts does he use in the forum?

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So what is martyns going to say about his alleged connections forum members merintishidup and dreamsnight?

[Stedsm]

People here are worried about whether the account has really changed hands or not! If yes, then is it bought or hacked?
Well, I'm seeing another story from my point of view here and I really can't explain it why, but I believe that martyns had been involved in using AI to create posts and post them here. I've spotted some broken comments, and some comments have grammatical mistakes too where it seems that he tried to tweak a bit inside the comments he got from AI and then posted them here. I'd only ask to visit his posts history and instead of looking for this Indonesian-Nigerian dilemma, you guys should also look into this and let me know your PoV.

I checked Bitcoingirl.club's comment and she told the truth that he's doing EVERYTHING to earn through signature campaigns, but use of AI to create posts is strictly prohibited here.

[GeorgeJohn]

People here are worried about whether the account has really changed hands or not! If yes, then is it bought or hacked?

Nothing to check about in that account, it's a bought account, because  you can't tell me that same person can understand two languages,at a time, from the history of the account, you will notice that something is wrong from the method of writing in the account,  the account really changed hands from the beginning, even though you have the knowledge of speaking another language very clear,  their is every tendency that you can go back to your base or your official language were you originated, but this particular account doesn't write on the local board it started life with. So the we don't have to think twice because the account really showed that not the rightful owner is managing the account.

[robelneo]

People here are worried about whether the account has really changed hands or not! If yes, then is it bought or hacked?

Nothing to check about in that account, it's a bought account, because  you can't tell me that same person can understand two languages,at a time, from the history of the account, you will notice that something is wrong from the method of writing in the account,  the account really changed hands from the beginning, even though you have the knowledge of speaking another language very clear,  their is every tendency that you can go back to your base or your official language were you originated, but this particular account doesn't write on the local board it started life with. So the we don't have to think twice because the account really showed that not the rightful owner is managing the account.

I can understand if the account shifted his interest so he goes from one interest to another and posts mostly on that section because we are evolving and learning here, but a change in language is hard to defend, you'll always go back to your local root.

I seldom post on my local board but I never think of changing my local board to another, though I can shift from one board from time to time if I happen to migrate from another country with a board here, but you never discard your local board, especially if you have an interaction on that local board, earlier in your post history.

[_BlackStar]

I checked Bitcoingirl.club's comment and she told the truth that he's doing EVERYTHING to earn through signature campaigns, but use of AI to create posts is strictly prohibited here.

Is there an officially agreed upon rule that posting using AI is a capital offense in forums? I don't think I've come across such a rule yet ^{[or have missed it],} but the campaign manager has banned AI from being used by all of its participants, specifically Royse777.

The account has changed hands ^{[possibly bought from someone from Indonesia]} but the new owner claims it was a gift from his brother. I think his reasoning isn't very credible because he's having a hard time proving it.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Registered in August in 2017--to me, that's a red flag even if it isn't to anyone else.  There were tons of accounts created in mid- to late-2017 to participate in bounties and/or otherwise spam the forum to earn money, because bitcoin was booming.  That was also around the time when I was tracking a lot of these idiots down and reporting or tagging them.

So yeah, while there may be some questions in people's minds as to whether the account changed hands, I'm not doubting it for a second.  Hell, the language change alone is a dead giveaway.  Props to OP for sniffing this guy out.

[Poker Player]

Well, I'm seeing another story from my point of view here and I really can't explain it why, but I believe that martyns had been involved in using AI to create posts and post them here. I've spotted some broken comments, and some comments have grammatical mistakes too where it seems that he tried to tweak a bit inside the comments he got from AI and then posted them here. I'd only ask to visit his posts history and instead of looking for this Indonesian-Nigerian dilemma, you guys should also look into this and let me know your PoV.

If you have any proof, such as having run their posts through an AI detector, report it to Royse777 and you may earn martyns weekly pay for it.

To prevent AI domination effective from today we are introducing an incentive for forum users. Find AI written posts on this campaign
and report to me either in public or in forum PM, please be sure you have enough reference to support the claim. For successful report
the reporter will receive the weekly payment instead of the accused campaigner. The campaigner will be removed immediately.

But you'd better hurry, because people might beat you to it.

...but use of AI to create posts is strictly prohibited here.

if you mean in the forum, not really. Many people see it wrong and there are campaign managers against it, but there is no official forum position against it, and I think it is tolerated as long as it results in a quality post.

[Stedsm]

...but use of AI to create posts is strictly prohibited here.

if you mean in the forum, not really. Many people see it wrong and there are campaign managers against it, but there is no official forum position against it, and I think it is tolerated as long as it results in a quality post.

No offense here but I'd like to ask a few questions:
Can AI really create enough quality posts for this forum?
Does AI have the capability to understand almost each question asked here?
If yes, can't AI give similar answers to more than one people sending the same query to it but at different times, and can't this create enough mess and a possibility here for such accounts to get banned for plagiarism?

I know that AI is here for our personal as well as professional upgrade, but what is the point of debating here (on this forum) if almost all the posts start to come from AI (not now but in the future maybe)? Can't we start speaking to bots instead of putting arguments against real human thoughts?

I'm not saying that use of AI should be banned/stopped on the forum but there should be limitations, and should not be allowed in campaigns at all because we get paid for our personal opinions. If someone uses AI, then all he will do is make free money using a technology's features.

[Avirunes]

I've followed a pattern (Receive Signature earning and move to some exchange or other address) and I have got some more accounts connected here:

martyns uses address: bc1q49hwmxd4hxxx4g7xxugwptmhcx2d7l0d5pde0l here https://archive.is/GBcQi#selection-2877.19-2877.61

Now this bc1q49hwmxd4hxxx4g7xxugwptmhcx2d7l0d5pde0l [e33e33f5bf] sends his earnings to 33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS[274f2311ad] , for example: https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/129693a4cfb6743c9a6b24c0ea3b282e702c8eca6b6577ea71dde75dfa60589b and there are more

33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS [274f2311ad] hasn't sent any coins till now and has only received coins till date from multiple wallets which are linked to more accounts which are:

bc1q42nl6hnt78kuum7vp8le79smtl4rytx6d8glk8 [ccbaee06ae] is used by blackened515 here

Current number of post (Including this one): 2505
Rank: Sr. Member
bech32 address: bc1q42nl6hnt78kuum7vp8le79smtl4rytx6d8glk8
Merit earned in the last 120 days: 6

(Archive: https://archive.ph/3TFyf#selection-2269.16-2269.58)


bc1qkr6f4y5egy35e0w5532jnxzgppgcqx93j6u5z4 [14e77b3d9a56b11e] is used by LordHermes here

Request For a No Collateral Loan
Amount of loan: $200 USDT
Estimated Loan Duration: 60 days
USDT Receiving Address (TRC20 Binance): TGChA9qSFehkJdzCZDzhdR1DHCVhY82mMn

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I'm Lordhermes requesting for a loan of $200 from Darkstar
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
Version: Bitcoin-qt (1.0)
Address: bc1qkr6f4y5egy35e0w5532jnxzgppgcqx93j6u5z4

HzwYWVh7fB5Ylrqs1i7QUu+HpAfkVmiOM7IojXTGysmYWAJkyaZxgoEfGmNsPit1ftb9CuF6TgwaKw19MPqfDCA=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----

(Archive: https://archive.ph/uOQ6s#selection-10355.9-10355.51)


bc1q6dxg7kt74kwdsfmldjdtrjvnwklpx58pprc9pf [8b44e93a24] is used by omgitsmehehe (low UID Account) here

Bitcointalk username: Omgitsmehehe
Segwit BTC address: bc1q6dxg7kt74kwdsfmldjdtrjvnwklpx58pprc9pf
Merit earned in the last 120 days: 5

What calculator do you use to get five merits?

(Archive: https://archive.ph/MT0KW#selection-5459.20-5459.62)


I've used walletexplorer for this and according to that 33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS [274f2311ad] has 71 transactions- all incoming, out of which 60 transactions have been made by the accounts mentioned above

a) bc1q42nl6hnt78kuum7vp8le79smtl4rytx6d8glk8 [ccbaee06ae] - 39 transactions
b) bc1qkr6f4y5egy35e0w5532jnxzgppgcqx93j6u5z4 [14e77b3d9a] - 13 transactions
c) bc1q49hwmxd4hxxx4g7xxugwptmhcx2d7l0d5pde0l [e33e33f5bf] - 6 transactions
d) bc1q6dxg7kt74kwdsfmldjdtrjvnwklpx58pprc9pf [8b44e93a24] - 2 transactions

If you want to verify this then just click on this: 33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS [274f2311ad] and copy the identifier tag against the addresses and use the find function of browser to check this.


That's not all they also send their address in the same way to another address which I think is an address from an exchange . 1BVhf8FgxS5oNDhyCBP97tmv9P8WJYGKBs   [000177bc41]   

a) bc1qkr6f4y5egy35e0w5532jnxzgppgcqx93j6u5z4 [14e77b3d9a] has many transactions which goes back from Feb, 2021 till 23rd April 2023 (still to count no. of transactions)
b) bc1q42nl6hnt78kuum7vp8le79smtl4rytx6d8glk8 [ccbaee06ae] has good no. of transactions but not like the one above. Timeline: April, 2021 to December, 2021
c) bc1q49hwmxd4hxxx4g7xxugwptmhcx2d7l0d5pde0l [e33e33f5bf] has 1 transaction on 23rd April,2023 sending  to 1BVhf... address via TXID https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/e53f5a62d1f9aed85dd234eddcb36623a5107d9bd2d8e4811166b84afa046e68
d) bc1q6dxg7kt74kwdsfmldjdtrjvnwklpx58pprc9pf [8b44e93a24] has 6 transactions sending to 1BVhf... address. Timeline: 15th March, 2023 to 23rd April 2023


I've found another user with wallet sending to 1BVhf8FgxS5oNDhyCBP97tmv9P8WJYGKBs   [000177bc41]   address. They've dealt 2 times but what more interesting is that the user has sent/received merits also from this ring of accounts. Also this user has posted in this thread too. Although, I am not much sure about him.

There's a 1xbit participant as well. (not the one already connected, its a different one)



Anyway, I am gonna focus on these 4 accounts - blackened515, martyns, LordHermes, omgitshehe and proceed

[1] I've checked BPIP.org and here are some screenshots sending merits to each other


Merit Overview from BPIP of blackened515




Merit Overview from BPIP of martyns




LordHermes: https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1803138.html (omgitsmehehe, martyns have sent/received merits)


Merit Overview from BPIP of omgitsmehehe





[2] This is interesting and what I have seen from spammers & multi-accounts during 16-17. These users also posts quoting each other just generating posts between themselves in order to meet post quota.

With what i'm seeing in the premier league after the first game so far today,Some big teams will find it difficult to get to the top this season, imagine Liverpool drawing Fulham in their first game of the season,this really surprised me because Liverpool's odd against Fulham was very small,but they ended up seeing a draw,and I must confess the way Fulham played today,if they can continue in this kind of form,I think they will surprise people this season.
Totthenham won their first game as well as their bitterest rival Arsenal who broke their every first match jink yesterday with a 2-0 convincing win.The pressure was much on Crystal palace that they scored an own goal.

The premier league game opening is a little bit tough for big team like Liverpool that narks out a draw against Fulham, although the results isn't a better one for Jurgen Klopp as he needs to tops the table presently, afterall there would be enough teams that are willingly to compete for the new season. Games results were battling and brilliant to some extent, like Tottenham trashing Southampton 4 goals to 1, Fulham drawing Liverpool 2-2. Chelsea managing to beat Everton 1 nil. I really enjoyed every bit of the premier league.

(Archive.is: https://archive.ph/qTv88#selection-4086.6-4189.532)

Zidane is set to manage PSG next season according to reports.Zidane is seen as one of the best coaches in the world,and PSG has suffered incompetency in the aspect of the coaches that manage the club,considering the high profile players at the club.Lionel Messi,Neymar and Mbape are three big recognised names in the club,and yet,they are unable to win the champions league,therefore,it is understood that if a good coach like Zidane should manage the team,there is every possiblity that PSG will win the Champions league.PSG were not able to reach the final of the Uefa champions league final last season,and all were narrowed down to the incompetency of the manager.
Zidane will bring a new dimension of football to the club,and I believe his tenure will be the best.

Zidane is considered as an experienced coach, who can probably take PSG to the Champions League final, and possibly make them lift the Champions League trophy. Yes, we all expected them to struggle for the title last season since they had one of the strongest squad. But, Unfortunately they couldn't. Although, Zidane will have to introduce a new strategy that will enable them to resist other tough teams which they might encounter next season, and also help them in win consistently in their games.

(Archive.is: https://archive.ph/rzU9h#selection-8563.0-8571.500)


You guys will find more posts like this. I am not sure how campaign managers sees this but that's for definitely not the right way to use the forum. Clearly they are doing anything for the sake of earning money.

Who knows maybe in dire need of money they can use one account to escrow and on other one to start the deal and then scam. That's one account gone and then go to next one.

Some of these accounts have been neutral marked by JollyGood for gap in history and there has been once instance where lovesmyfamilis has poked him too at his attempt to get into campaign by increasing merit count on the application post.


My opinion: I think this is a big alt ring, Martyns is just a piece and there could be lot more. Right now my impression is that he just wants to earn as much as from signature campaigns and therefore he posts every chance he gets. Even if there is none, he creates one. I mean look at the address: https://explorer.btc.com/btc/address/33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS , there is 0.166BTC (approx $4,800) being moved to that wallet. That's not how forum is intended to be used. Is it?

In addition to that, the one I have my suspicion on has been part of the campaign for 100 weeks and believe me its a good paying campaign as I have been part of that earlier. There are some more (including 1xbit one I mentioned above) but its based on just not much strong links I guess but I am still digging on those.

Everyone should be given chance to explain themselves so I asking @blackened515, @LordHermes and @omgitsmehehe to post here to explain the situation here and will see how the community sees this.

[Poker Player]

My opinion: I think this is a big alt ring, Martyns is just a piece and there could be lot more. Right now my impression is that he just wants to earn as much as from signature campaigns and therefore he posts every chance he gets. Even if there is none, he creates one. I mean look at the address: https://explorer.btc.com/btc/address/33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS , there is 0.166BTC (approx $4,800) being moved to that wallet. That's not how forum is intended to be used. Is it?

In addition to that, the one I have my suspicion on has been part of the campaign for 100 weeks and believe me its a good paying campaign as I have been part of that earlier. There are some more (including 1xbit one I mentioned above) but its based on just not much strong links I guess but I am still digging on those.

Everyone should be given chance to explain themselves so I asking @blackened515, @LordHermes and @omgitsmehehe to post here to explain the situation here and will see how the community sees this.

Hey man, I think you are being to aggressive. 

On a more serious note, it was clear from the beginning that as soon as you stretched it, more things would come out, as it has been happening. Let others say what they want. 

Sorry that I am out of merits, otherwise I would have given you a bunch.

I think that if a video of Martyns stabbing someone in an unprovoked attack doesn't come out, neither the neutral-"you are too aggressive" will change their neutral tag, nor the manager will kick him out of the campaign, nor the forum will permaban him, as it happened with Naim027.

[Plaguedeath]

Everyone should be given chance to explain themselves so I asking @blackened515, @LordHermes and @omgitsmehehe to post here to explain the situation here and will see how the community sees this.

Pick your answer about addresses connections:

A. We're family, he's my brother, sister, mother, father, grand father, grand mother etc so we work in this forum to fulfill our needs.

B. So he's my friend and I know him in real life, I invite him in this forum and we had few exchanges because we're live in a same country.

C. We're a using same local exchange, that's why it's belong to a same exchange.


Pick your answer about merit exchanges:

A. We have a discussion in our local board to support each other.

B. He asked me to review his post.

[Avirunes]

Hey man, I think you are being to aggressive.  

Was I? Guess that's just the usual me when it comes to this  

On a more serious note, it was clear from the beginning that as soon as you stretched it, more things would come out, as it has been happening. Let others say what they want.

I often feel that there are more to the list if a cases like this pops up. I like how Yahoo started the other thread to discuss about this but like many others and I also think it should be case by case basis. But cases like alt ring and the way they are using it needs to be discussed also. Majority of these accounts purposes are to enroll in signature campaign and earn as much as they can. They don't care about rules or anything. So that's why I want to see what's community take on this.

I would request if someone wants to continue discussion about alts discussion then continue in yahoo62278 thread

Sorry that I am out of merits, otherwise I would have given you a bunch.

Don't worry about it. I am very glad when someone acknowledges the work. That's make up for everything.

I think that if a video of Martyns stabbing someone in an unprovoked attack doesn't come out, neither the neutral-"you are too aggressive" will change their neutral tag, nor the manager will kick him out of the campaign, nor the forum will permaban him, as it happened with Naim027.

I don't know how to react to this but I respect everyone's opinions is what I would say. Some take things seriously and some don't but I feel both are right in their own way.

I feel that best in normal cases is to go with neutral and in comment add a link to thread relating to potential risks of dealing with bought accounts and sellers (if there isn't then someone should create- it would be very helpful). But before that these accounts bought should self-admit in Known alts Thread.

I for example also bought this account Avirunes but I have self admitted in alts thread right before I bought it and instead of continuing from my original account I posted with this as I wanted to set an examples for others to follow to self-admit and continue on so that I don't hide anything. I have said it million times that I have nothing to hide and I believe in this community is why I have come this far out but guess not everyone feels like me as they think others will mark them negative right from when they admit. KWH have put a neutral on me and I am sure Timelord2067 also has put one on me but I am fine with that because they are not wrong.

It's a time like this when you really feel that you efforts are in vain no matter how many years you sticked trying to set an example.

[JollyGood]

This excellent post ended up being the last post on page 4 therefore am quoting it in order for it appear in the latest page. This post deserves to be seen by those that skip to the last page because of the effort that has gone in to making the discoveries.

I've followed a pattern (Receive Signature earning and move to some exchange or other address) and I have got some more accounts connected here:

martyns uses address: bc1q49hwmxd4hxxx4g7xxugwptmhcx2d7l0d5pde0l here https://archive.is/GBcQi#selection-2877.19-2877.61

Now this bc1q49hwmxd4hxxx4g7xxugwptmhcx2d7l0d5pde0l [e33e33f5bf] sends his earnings to 33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS[274f2311ad] , for example: https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/129693a4cfb6743c9a6b24c0ea3b282e702c8eca6b6577ea71dde75dfa60589b and there are more

33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS [274f2311ad] hasn't sent any coins till now and has only received coins till date from multiple wallets which are linked to more accounts which are:

bc1q42nl6hnt78kuum7vp8le79smtl4rytx6d8glk8 [ccbaee06ae] is used by blackened515 here

Current number of post (Including this one): 2505
Rank: Sr. Member
bech32 address: bc1q42nl6hnt78kuum7vp8le79smtl4rytx6d8glk8
Merit earned in the last 120 days: 6

(Archive: https://archive.ph/3TFyf#selection-2269.16-2269.58)


bc1qkr6f4y5egy35e0w5532jnxzgppgcqx93j6u5z4 [14e77b3d9a56b11e] is used by LordHermes here

Request For a No Collateral Loan
Amount of loan: $200 USDT
Estimated Loan Duration: 60 days
USDT Receiving Address (TRC20 Binance): TGChA9qSFehkJdzCZDzhdR1DHCVhY82mMn

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I'm Lordhermes requesting for a loan of $200 from Darkstar
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
Version: Bitcoin-qt (1.0)
Address: bc1qkr6f4y5egy35e0w5532jnxzgppgcqx93j6u5z4

HzwYWVh7fB5Ylrqs1i7QUu+HpAfkVmiOM7IojXTGysmYWAJkyaZxgoEfGmNsPit1ftb9CuF6TgwaKw19MPqfDCA=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----

(Archive: https://archive.ph/uOQ6s#selection-10355.9-10355.51)


bc1q6dxg7kt74kwdsfmldjdtrjvnwklpx58pprc9pf [8b44e93a24] is used by omgitsmehehe (low UID Account) here

Bitcointalk username: Omgitsmehehe
Segwit BTC address: bc1q6dxg7kt74kwdsfmldjdtrjvnwklpx58pprc9pf
Merit earned in the last 120 days: 5

What calculator do you use to get five merits?

(Archive: https://archive.ph/MT0KW#selection-5459.20-5459.62)


I've used walletexplorer for this and according to that 33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS [274f2311ad] has 71 transactions- all incoming, out of which 60 transactions have been made by the accounts mentioned above

a) bc1q42nl6hnt78kuum7vp8le79smtl4rytx6d8glk8 [ccbaee06ae] - 39 transactions
b) bc1qkr6f4y5egy35e0w5532jnxzgppgcqx93j6u5z4 [14e77b3d9a] - 13 transactions
c) bc1q49hwmxd4hxxx4g7xxugwptmhcx2d7l0d5pde0l [e33e33f5bf] - 6 transactions
d) bc1q6dxg7kt74kwdsfmldjdtrjvnwklpx58pprc9pf [8b44e93a24] - 2 transactions

If you want to verify this then just click on this: 33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS [274f2311ad] and copy the identifier tag against the addresses and use the find function of browser to check this.


That's not all they also send their address in the same way to another address which I think is an address from an exchange . 1BVhf8FgxS5oNDhyCBP97tmv9P8WJYGKBs   [000177bc41]   

a) bc1qkr6f4y5egy35e0w5532jnxzgppgcqx93j6u5z4 [14e77b3d9a] has many transactions which goes back from Feb, 2021 till 23rd April 2023 (still to count no. of transactions)
b) bc1q42nl6hnt78kuum7vp8le79smtl4rytx6d8glk8 [ccbaee06ae] has good no. of transactions but not like the one above. Timeline: April, 2021 to December, 2021
c) bc1q49hwmxd4hxxx4g7xxugwptmhcx2d7l0d5pde0l [e33e33f5bf] has 1 transaction on 23rd April,2023 sending  to 1BVhf... address via TXID https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/e53f5a62d1f9aed85dd234eddcb36623a5107d9bd2d8e4811166b84afa046e68
d) bc1q6dxg7kt74kwdsfmldjdtrjvnwklpx58pprc9pf [8b44e93a24] has 6 transactions sending to 1BVhf... address. Timeline: 15th March, 2023 to 23rd April 2023


I've found another user with wallet sending to 1BVhf8FgxS5oNDhyCBP97tmv9P8WJYGKBs   [000177bc41]   address. They've dealt 2 times but what more interesting is that the user has sent/received merits also from this ring of accounts. Also this user has posted in this thread too. Although, I am not much sure about him.

There's a 1xbit participant as well. (not the one already connected, its a different one)



Anyway, I am gonna focus on these 4 accounts - blackened515, martyns, LordHermes, omgitshehe and proceed

[1] I've checked BPIP.org and here are some screenshots sending merits to each other


Merit Overview from BPIP of blackened515




Merit Overview from BPIP of martyns




LordHermes: https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1803138.html (omgitsmehehe, martyns have sent/received merits)


Merit Overview from BPIP of omgitsmehehe





[2] This is interesting and what I have seen from spammers & multi-accounts during 16-17. These users also posts quoting each other just generating posts between themselves in order to meet post quota.

With what i'm seeing in the premier league after the first game so far today,Some big teams will find it difficult to get to the top this season, imagine Liverpool drawing Fulham in their first game of the season,this really surprised me because Liverpool's odd against Fulham was very small,but they ended up seeing a draw,and I must confess the way Fulham played today,if they can continue in this kind of form,I think they will surprise people this season.
Totthenham won their first game as well as their bitterest rival Arsenal who broke their every first match jink yesterday with a 2-0 convincing win.The pressure was much on Crystal palace that they scored an own goal.

The premier league game opening is a little bit tough for big team like Liverpool that narks out a draw against Fulham, although the results isn't a better one for Jurgen Klopp as he needs to tops the table presently, afterall there would be enough teams that are willingly to compete for the new season. Games results were battling and brilliant to some extent, like Tottenham trashing Southampton 4 goals to 1, Fulham drawing Liverpool 2-2. Chelsea managing to beat Everton 1 nil. I really enjoyed every bit of the premier league.

(Archive.is: https://archive.ph/qTv88#selection-4086.6-4189.532)

Zidane is set to manage PSG next season according to reports.Zidane is seen as one of the best coaches in the world,and PSG has suffered incompetency in the aspect of the coaches that manage the club,considering the high profile players at the club.Lionel Messi,Neymar and Mbape are three big recognised names in the club,and yet,they are unable to win the champions league,therefore,it is understood that if a good coach like Zidane should manage the team,there is every possiblity that PSG will win the Champions league.PSG were not able to reach the final of the Uefa champions league final last season,and all were narrowed down to the incompetency of the manager.
Zidane will bring a new dimension of football to the club,and I believe his tenure will be the best.

Zidane is considered as an experienced coach, who can probably take PSG to the Champions League final, and possibly make them lift the Champions League trophy. Yes, we all expected them to struggle for the title last season since they had one of the strongest squad. But, Unfortunately they couldn't. Although, Zidane will have to introduce a new strategy that will enable them to resist other tough teams which they might encounter next season, and also help them in win consistently in their games.

(Archive.is: https://archive.ph/rzU9h#selection-8563.0-8571.500)


You guys will find more posts like this. I am not sure how campaign managers sees this but that's for definitely not the right way to use the forum. Clearly they are doing anything for the sake of earning money.

Who knows maybe in dire need of money they can use one account to escrow and on other one to start the deal and then scam. That's one account gone and then go to next one.

Some of these accounts have been neutral marked by JollyGood for gap in history and there has been once instance where lovesmyfamilis has poked him too at his attempt to get into campaign by increasing merit count on the application post.


My opinion: I think this is a big alt ring, Martyns is just a piece and there could be lot more. Right now my impression is that he just wants to earn as much as from signature campaigns and therefore he posts every chance he gets. Even if there is none, he creates one. I mean look at the address: https://explorer.btc.com/btc/address/33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS , there is 0.166BTC (approx $4,800) being moved to that wallet. That's not how forum is intended to be used. Is it?

In addition to that, the one I have my suspicion on has been part of the campaign for 100 weeks and believe me its a good paying campaign as I have been part of that earlier. There are some more (including 1xbit one I mentioned above) but its based on just not much strong links I guess but I am still digging on those.

Everyone should be given chance to explain themselves so I asking @blackened515, @LordHermes and @omgitsmehehe to post here to explain the situation here and will see how the community sees this.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Thanks to Avirunes for bringing this up. I saw this link too, but Yahoo62278's reaction about a poor guy from a poor country made me give up on further posting.
If we talk about purchased accounts, then yes, the Omgitsmehehe account previously belonged to a guy from England; this is all in history.

Other than that, cheating about the amount of merit omgitsmehehe and blackened515 have is fairly constant. I have long noticed his deceit. Apart from the recent case with Omgitsmehehe, it's exactly the same story with Blackened515.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5320610.msg56473501#msg56473501
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434813.msg62140384#msg62140384


When I said that martyns would also go and buy two more, I meant these two accounts.
But there is simply no mood to listen to another lie. This person describes himself as a believer. Well, if we can't leave negative tags for lies, then let God judge him.




If we talk about aunts, uncles, and all other relatives, then the time of the last visit to the forum apparently ends with a signal or a whistle.

[Poker Player]

So, I reread Avirunes' post more carefully, I looked at the profiles of the accounts involved and when I went to look at the recent merit of the first account, in no particular order, I saw this:





So, I've taken an aggressive approach on the subject.

I've updated my trust list, btw.

[Josefjix]

I've followed a pattern (Receive Signature earning and move to some exchange or other address) and I have got some more accounts connected here:
/Snip
Everyone should be given chance to explain themselves so I asking @blackened515, @LordHermes and @omgitsmehehe to post here to explain the situation here and will see how the community sees this.

I don't see any concrete evidence of linked accounts here, P2P transactions between multiple accounts are more likely to occur outside of the forum if the accounts in question are from the same region or share the same local board. Nigerians' only way of converting BTC to Naira is through P2P, and it's possible that 2-3 people are using the same Merchants on P2p exchange to deposit their weekly earnings and receive Naira in return; your findings fit perfectly into my explanation; the accounts could be using the same Marchant, but I personally don't see any connection here.

And as for the distribution of merits, whatever anyone does with his or her merits is none of your business as long as he or she is not trading them. Backscratching is permitted here.

This appears to be an attack on a specific region, which is not acceptable.

So, I've taken an aggressive approach on the subject.

I've updated my trust list, btw.

You're abusing the DT system; tagging a neg does not justify your claims; just because you have one does not mean everyone should.

[Avirunes]

I don't see any concrete evidence of linked accounts here, P2P transactions between multiple accounts are more likely to occur outside of the forum if the accounts in question are from the same region or share the same local board. Nigerians' only way of converting BTC to Naira is through P2P, and it's possible that 2-3 people are using the same Merchants on P2p exchange to deposit their weekly earnings and receive Naira in return; your findings fit perfectly into my explanation; the accounts could be using the same Marchant, but I personally don't see any connection here.

Like I said they are free to explain here. What you said is also possible. I admit I have to change neutral a bit and will edit some part but it will stay as a warning to anyone dealing with them until they come and explain this with proofs.

This appears to be an attack on a specific region, which is not acceptable.

If you think that I took users from Nigerians local board and connected them then you are wrong. I started with simple wallet digging is that's all. I have connected 3 accounts with martyns out of which 2 users haven't posted in Nigerian board ever. So its a humble request to not make such remarks which are not true.

[JollyGood]

If we talk about aunts, uncles, and all other relatives, then the time of the last visit to the forum apparently ends with a signal or a whistle.

If we are talking numbers and it is just a conservative guess, how many accounts in the farm do you think are operated by the martyns puppeteer?

So, I've taken an aggressive approach on the subject.

I've updated my trust list, btw.

I look forward to reading your updated trust list but the problem without having consensus on the issue (in other words by having a case-by-case basis in matters such as these) you will always find those who agree and those who disagree with a particular stance.

[Josefjix]

I don't see any concrete evidence of linked accounts here, P2P transactions between multiple accounts are more likely to occur outside of the forum if the accounts in question are from the same region or share the same local board. Nigerians' only way of converting BTC to Naira is through P2P, and it's possible that 2-3 people are using the same Merchants on P2p exchange to deposit their weekly earnings and receive Naira in return; your findings fit perfectly into my explanation; the accounts could be using the same Marchant, but I personally don't see any connection here.

Like I said they are free to explain here. What you said is also possible. I admit I have to change neutral a bit and will edit some part but it will stay as a warning to anyone dealing with them until they come and explain this with proofs.

 A simple neutral is not a bad ideal until the accounts gives some explanations but my case is likely to be the reason looking at the amount of BTC the receiver wallet is currently hodling

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS The wallet in question hasn't received coin since last month and hasn't sent out coin in over a year, suggesting that it's a merchant wallet; these accounts join signature to feed rather than to save earnings. The wallet contains approximately $4k, which is approximately 2-2.5 years of signature savings for Full member rank. c'mon



Poker player If you are unsure and don't know what to do, use neutral; additionally, because this is an ongoing case with no conclusion, your red is inappropriate.

The word EITHER indicates that you have no idea what is going on and are unsure that these accounts are linked.

This appears to be an attack on a specific region, which is not acceptable.

If you think that I took users from Nigerians local board and connected them then you are wrong. I started with simple wallet digging is that's all. I have connected 3 accounts with martyns out of which 2 users haven't posted in Nigerian board ever. So its a humble request to not make such remarks which are not true.

LordHermes has been and continues to be one of the early users who fought for the local board, he has many posts there https://ninjastic.space/post/56982382 and the two others may have their own personal reasons why they choose to stay away from the local board, there are three legendary members who are Nigerians but also disassociate themselves from the local board and their secrets are safe with me

[dkbit98]

I've followed a pattern (Receive Signature earning and move to some exchange or other address) and I have got some more accounts connected here

Very good research, I know how much time it needs to compile stuff like this.
When you have address connection together with merit connections than something stinks here.
If posts are with similar writing style than case becomes evident, but I don't think we should start giving them all negative feedbacks.
We all know people are using multi accounting here (and everywhere) and this is not forbidden in forum, but it seriously reduces quality of conversations.

This appears to be an attack on a specific region, which is not acceptable.

And you are saying this because you are coming from that same region, right?
It doesn't look at all like attack on whole Nigeria to me, and if there are some connections between some account that should be investigated more, especially if they have similar low quality posts.

[FatFork]

While analyzing the posting patterns of "martyns" and his alternate accounts, "BlackViruse" and "Blackpussy," I stumbled upon a curious grammatical mistake where the term "ideal" was wrongly used instead of "idea". This error caught my attention since I've never encountered anyone from the English-speaking community who confuses the usage of these words.

I share my password to him, to help me apply for signature campaigns,,I have no ideal to do it then,,,

do anybody get any ideal of what the psalm was really talking about ...

I don't know where you get this ideal from but ...

I also noted this same grammatical mistake in the posts of users "Lordhermes" and "blackened515."

Personally I don't buy the ideal of re-signing Messi to Barcelona, ...

It won't be a bad ideal if he goes to another team, ...

And now, there's also this Josefjix character:

A simple neutral is not a bad ideal ...

Not entirely sure if this is a regular occurrence among the Nigerian community - anyone care to enlighten me? As for what to make of it, I have a hunch that it might give someone some ideal worth exploring further. 

[Lordhermes]

I got a private message and telegram bot notifications from Avirunes to come explain myself on this matter. Thanks for the job well done, I really appreciate the time and effort you took for your thorough investigation on those accounts for the good purpose of this forum.
Sincerely, you deserve a merit from me but got 0smerit on my name, apology.

First and foremost, I've been an active contributing member of this forum since 2018 till now, you can check my profile for that, with grounded knowledge about crypto and Blockchain technology at my best.

I'll explain briefly the connection with those accounts, Martyns, Blackened515, Omgitsmehehe.

Yes, Avirunes is not wrong and not far from the truth but will explain deeply for his understanding and for whoever is reading this and the forum as a whole. But my explanation will go mainly for merits and wallet address connection with each of those accounts for better clarification, but before I proceed,

Note: Lordhermes is never an Alt with Omgitsmehehe, Blackened515, and Martyns
But a P2P business transaction partner with them.


These users including me are Nigerians, , everyone knows Naija crypto users are restricted to convert crypto directly to Fiat currency except through Peer to Peer trading, unfortunately, not every user knows how to P2P which make the sharp ones uses this opportunity as a business medium for their gains and benefits setting a certain percentage and trading fee.

Here are my P2P Bitcoin Wallet Adresses for my business transaction which I used Binance and Okex centralised exchange respectively..

Binance  Exchange

1BVhf8FgxS5oNDhyCBP97tmv9P8WJYGKBs

Okex  Exchange

33GPgbaJuSaMyBo8tuhe6HhRunptrE8xVS

These are the two most trusted centralised exchange I used,

1. Lordhermes merits and wallet address connection with Omgitsmehehe
-Omgitsmehehe earns outside the forum, he never earn from sig camp, afaik [Not necessary for investigation]
-He has only sent his earnings to my Binance Wallet Adresses for P2P business transactions, new customer
-I've only sent this user 2 merits as since on https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1803138.html
-Omgitsmehehe has sent me 0 merit
-We never use same bitcoin address for sig campaign application



2. Lordhermes merits and wallet address connection with Blackened515
-Blackened515 earns from weekly sig campaign off the forum and outside the forum. [Not necessary for investigation]
-Sent his earnings to both Binance and Okex wallet address for P2P business transactions, Old customer
-I've sent 0 merit to Blackened515 as seen on https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1803138.html
-Blackened515 has sent 0 merit to me
-We never use same bitcoin address for sig campaign application


3. Lordhermes merits and wallet address connection with Martyns
-Martyns earns from weekly sig campaign off the forum[Not necessary for investigation]
-Sent his earnings to both my Binance and Okex wallet address for P2P business transaction, New customer
-I've sent 2 merits to Martyns as seen on https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1803138.html
-Martyns has sent me 0 merit
-We never use same bitcoin address for sig campaign application

Summary: I think the explanation above is brief and easy to understand, I've only received their earnings to my external centralised wallet address for p2p business transaction. Also I've never interchange merits or use same bitcoin wallet address for signature campaign application with those accounts. If found any, lmk

These accounts are not controlled by the same person, I know for sure but only exchange merits between each other which everyone on the forum do, not trying to talk on their behalf but that's reality

With these reasons, I hereby inform Poker Player to remove the negative tag on my profile including to those my customers cos we do not deserve it except Martyns that had had a contact with 1xbit.

Thanks for taking time to read through.

[Poker Player]

With these reasons, I hereby inform Poker Player to remove the negative tag on my profile including to those my customers cos we do not deserve it except Martyns that had had a contact with 1xbit.

Thanks for taking time to read through.

As the explanation seems reasonable, I have changed the feedback to neutral, and will leave it that way as long as no more data comes out.

[1miau]

While analyzing the posting patterns of "martyns" and his alternate accounts, "BlackViruse" and "Blackpussy," I stumbled upon a curious grammatical mistake where the term "ideal" was wrongly used instead of "idea". This error caught my attention since I've never encountered anyone from the English-speaking community who confuses the usage of these words.

Nice catch!
And also quite surprising to see Josefjix jumping into the discussion about sold / hacked accounts making a courageous (and completely flawed) endorsement of account sales with bullshit arguments about people "buying Newbie Accounts with 0 Merit" (why would someone buy a Newbie account, which can be created for free??), buying accounts would be for "participating in discussions and forum activity" (hmm, maybe he means "paid signature campaigns"?) and similar weird stuff.
Josefjix account is either an alt of martyns or someone close to his "brother", LOL.
It's definitely not ideal.
I will look into it tomorrow and probably it's time for some red trust. There's too much shady stuff going on. 

On a more serious note, it was clear from the beginning that as soon as you stretched it, more things would come out, as it has been happening. Let others say what they want. 

At least he's getting what he deserves for his faked story now. 

With these reasons, I hereby inform Poker Player to remove the negative tag on my profile including to those my customers cos we do not deserve it except Martyns that had had a contact with 1xbit.

Wait, can you explain why all of you are writing "ideal" instead of "idea"?
Maybe you were going to the same school and your teacher misspelled "idea"?

[Josefjix]

While analyzing the posting patterns of "martyns" and his alternate accounts, "BlackViruse" and "Blackpussy," I stumbled upon a curious grammatical mistake where the term "ideal" was wrongly used instead of "idea". This error caught my attention since I've never encountered anyone from the English-speaking community who confuses the usage of these words.

It's not an error; it's fairly common among Nigerians; the "Ideal" is mostly used for pidgin English, but the "idea" one never comes to mind.

If you search the board for those keywords, you'll almost certainly link the entire board together. Good luck.

Wait, can you explain why all of you are writing "ideal" instead of "idea"?
Maybe you were going to the same school and your teacher misspelled "idea"?

I just did. We use English and still fail English at school 

[JollyGood]

Not entirely sure if this is a regular occurrence among the Nigerian community - anyone care to enlighten me? As for what to make of it, I have a hunch that it might give someone some ideal worth exploring further.  

The plot thickens  

I'll explain briefly the connection with those accounts, Martyns, Blackened515, Omgitsmehehe.

Thanks for taking time to read through.

Are the members that were listed by FatFork the only ones using the word ideal instead of idea (regardless of pidgin or not)? If most of the Nigerian local board are not making that error then it could be isolated to that group mentioned by FatFork and the issue suspicion is rightly attributed to them.

This issue reminds me of another thread where one group was making an error spelling the name of a Premier League footballer Several Accounts Misspelling Manchester City Footballer "Kelvin De Bruyne"

[jokers10]

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Are the members that were listed by FatFork the only ones using the word ideal instead of idea (regardless of pidgin or not)? If most of the Nigerian local board are not making that error then it could be isolated to that group mentioned by FatFork and the issue suspicion is rightly attributed to them.
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Quick forum search in Nigeria (Naija) section says that majority knows the word idea (dozens of results) and there is one person who uses the word ideal instead. But it proves nothing this way I guess.

[JollyGood]

You are right it does not prove anything but then again in the larger context it is still worth discussing all avenues since a wider discussion is now taking place and now more potential points are being discovered and posted about.

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Are the members that were listed by FatFork the only ones using the word ideal instead of idea (regardless of pidgin or not)? If most of the Nigerian local board are not making that error then it could be isolated to that group mentioned by FatFork and the issue suspicion is rightly attributed to them.
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Quick forum search in Nigeria (Naija) section says that majority knows the word idea (dozens of results) and there is one person who uses the word ideal instead. But it proves nothing this way I guess.

[FatFork]

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Are the members that were listed by FatFork the only ones using the word ideal instead of idea (regardless of pidgin or not)? If most of the Nigerian local board are not making that error then it could be isolated to that group mentioned by FatFork and the issue suspicion is rightly attributed to them.
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Quick forum search in Nigeria (Naija) section says that majority knows the word idea (dozens of results) and there is one person who uses the word ideal instead. But it proves nothing this way I guess.

I'm not sure about that one. Based on the phrasing, it's possible that both "idea" and "ideal" could fit semantically in the sentence mentioned. "Idea" typically refers to a concept or thought, while "ideal" refers to something perfect or optimal. So, when he said "the ideal of stable coins emerged after Bitcoin was created to solve issues related to volatility," even though "idea" seems like a better fit, "ideal" could also work in this context.

[Rikafip]

I'm not sure about that one. Based on the phrasing, it's possible that both "idea" and "ideal" could fit semantically in the sentence mentioned. "Idea" typically refers to a concept or thought, while "ideal" refers to something perfect or optimal. So, when he said "the ideal of stable coins emerged after Bitcoin was created to solve issues related to volatility," even though "idea" seems like a better fit, "ideal" could also work in this context.

Let's say for the sake of argument that both idea and ideal could fit there (even though I think that Igebotz meant idea as it fits much better there) there is another example where I think he switched those two words.

I am wondering what would be the best thing to do in Nigeria. Reading all your answers, I think the best thing to do would be to rent some industrial location, and to share the electricity with someone which already own a huge electrical contr

That would be a good ideal and a more secured and cheaper options out there

There is another member from Nigerian board that mixed those two words as well so by now we have at least 8 members from Nigerian board that are doing that and I don't think that all those are controlled by the same person.

I've learned so many things from this community, I joined as a novice to cryptocurrency, had no ideal what Bitcoin was before I joined the forum

[T3PR00T]

I have no ideal what is going on. One ideal is costing 8 accounts.

They used to travel Nigeria and these sorts of countries to preach Christianity. Now bitcointalk members are taking over the religion and going to preach English.

[lovesmayfamilis]

There is another member from Nigerian board that mixed those two words as well so by now we have at least 8 members from Nigerian board that are doing that and I don't think that all those are controlled by the same person.

I've learned so many things from this community, I joined as a novice to cryptocurrency, had no ideal what Bitcoin was before I joined the forum

Coincidence, isn't it?


https://ninjastic.space/addresses?address=0x4108E479224b4E57943874248f772A4F3b56D18d

As well as the transfer of merits to each other.

Username: Alobo Realer
Country: Nigeria
State of resident: Benue
Skills: Web Developer in View.
 

Username: josefjix
Country and state of resident: Nigeria, Benue state.
Skills: Graphics Designer, Digital Marketing and host of others..

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

I have no ideal what is going on. One ideal is costing 8 accounts.

They used to travel Nigeria and these sorts of countries to preach Christianity. Now bitcointalk members are taking over the religion and going to preach English.

That shouldn't be a reason to connect 8 accounts just because they made a mistake that's very common in the country (you think I'm joking check my posting history and and I have also used those words in the wrong places but I meant no harm and sometimes it's just Google chrome been stupid as it autocorrect my world incorrectly. I know how many times I had to stop to correct the auto-correct (funny right). There are so many words we Nigerians misplaced for each other when writing and it could be as a result of we writing fast and when we crosscheck by reading, since they words would sound the same, it won't be noticable to us.

Although english is widely spoken in the country, we have more good English speakers than writers, our common alternative which is pidgin and sounds very similar to English gets in the way when we're reading and make us not to notice the mistakes we made. I can go into giving some examples of the words that are usually been misplaced because I see them often on the forum from my brothers and I sometimes make the mistakes myself but that's a story for another day.

Ps: Sad this user/account is in this mess, he was quite an active user of the just approved Nigerian board, I just hope the tags doesn't stop you from been active on the board.

[decodx]

I have no ideal what is going on. One ideal is costing 8 accounts.

They used to travel Nigeria and these sorts of countries to preach Christianity. Now bitcointalk members are taking over the religion and going to preach English.

That shouldn't be a reason to connect 8 accounts just because they made a mistake that's very common in the country

There is more evidence connecting martyns to other accounts, and some of these accounts have already been banned from the forum. You can check my posts here and here, and Avirunes' evidence here.

Unless you think this is a reasonable explanation:

I don't know who the blackvirus account belongs to,, it a Nigerian guy I met on telegram that has been helping apply for campaign when i was new here and help me convert my earnings to Naira
<...>

Regarding evidence, take a closer look at the WhatsApp chat screenshots he presented. He has proven himself that he lies about everything, and all of his explanations are complete nonsense.

Ps: Sad this user/account is in this mess, he was quite an active user of the just approved Nigerian board, I just hope the tags doesn't stop you from been active on the board.

Forum rules should be the same for everyone, regardless of which local board users are active in.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I am just coming across this post, though I've been getting notifications of new posts on this thread from bitcointalk telegram bot, I just decided to check the thread today...

I didn't go through the whole comment to learn exactly what the final thing was that happened, whether the account was indeed bought or hacked.. But my comment is that, which ever it is, I am not surprised, exchange of accounts, through means of buying or selling, leasing or hacking, should be expected on a forum like bitcointalk (and I believe we all know why) even though this are offences that are highly frowned at by other users, It is the same as stealing is an offence on our society, and yet people still steal, I believe what should be done has been done, and that is tagging the account or accounts involved, this I believe will serve as a lesson to those involved and also as a warning to any one that has plans of doing the same.

[JollyGood]

Does that mean the benefit of the doubt should be given to those that seem to be suffering from the "Kelvin De Bruyne" syndrome? 

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Are the members that were listed by FatFork the only ones using the word ideal instead of idea (regardless of pidgin or not)? If most of the Nigerian local board are not making that error then it could be isolated to that group mentioned by FatFork and the issue suspicion is rightly attributed to them.
...

Quick forum search in Nigeria (Naija) section says that majority knows the word idea (dozens of results) and there is one person who uses the word ideal instead. But it proves nothing this way I guess.

I'm not sure about that one. Based on the phrasing, it's possible that both "idea" and "ideal" could fit semantically in the sentence mentioned. "Idea" typically refers to a concept or thought, while "ideal" refers to something perfect or optimal. So, when he said "the ideal of stable coins emerged after Bitcoin was created to solve issues related to volatility," even though "idea" seems like a better fit, "ideal" could also work in this context.

[Mate2237]

Martyns would have say something the matter. The discussion became cumbersome because the accused remove to say some even after the numerous PMs were sent to him by lovesmayfamilis. Judging a case without the accuser's input on the matter is just like a car without accuser. The accuser would have say something to douse the tension of the matter.

We can not just say Martyns is an Indonesian or a Nigerian but one thing I know from my Elementary School Education, there is a dual citizen of a person. Or as the Op put, "linguistically " one can speak more than one language. If Martyns is an Indonesian and living in Nigeria then it is possible for him to use the two language to communicate. In real life, I k ow of a girl that from Ghana by father and Nigeria by mother. My brethren this girl uses the two language perfectly. But in this case, Martyns has already caused a commotion here.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Martyns would have say something the matter. The discussion became cumbersome because the accused remove to say some even after the numerous PMs were sent to him by lovesmayfamilis. Judging a case without the accuser's input on the matter is just like a car without accuser. The accuser would have say something to douse the tension of the matter.

We can not just say Martyns is an Indonesian or a Nigerian but one thing I know from my Elementary School Education, there is a dual citizen of a person. Or as the Op put, "linguistically " one can speak more than one language. If Martyns is an Indonesian and living in Nigeria then it is possible for him to use the two language to communicate. In real life, I k ow of a girl that from Ghana by father and Nigeria by mother. My brethren this girl uses the two language perfectly. But in this case, Martyns has already caused a commotion here.

Before issuing your resume, you should read the entire topic, and only after that should you draw any conclusions.
Martyns has more than enough accusations, and next time I advise you to read the entire topic so that you are not inadvertently accused of shitposting. Your post now completely and completely says that you are simply not interested, that you have not read anything, and that you just need to fulfill your quota for the signature company.
I'm closing the topic to avoid similar answers.