Changed language in history. Bought? Hacked?

[decodx]

Let me clarify the matter here, as it appears that some members are a bit confused.

His previous account, BlackViruse was banned for evading the ban (alt of Blackpussy), and he has openly admitted to engaging in this deceptive behavior since 2015:

Abeg make Una dey careful with the wallet Una dey use the one I use for my  2015 banned account bounty hunting days I make mistake use am for signature campaign den ban the account the same day my mama die na high bp I go through una brother Blackpussy Don show for jungle again make Una try for me

archive: https://ninjastic.space/post/55567712

And it's abundantly clear that this is not an innocent mistake made by a novice or a one-time occurrence: Newbie But Not Beginner.

While I initially gave a neutral trust to wait for his explanation, I see no issue with others giving negative. Anyone who is ready to fabricate stories about deceased family members cannot be considered trustworthy.

Oh, and just for your information, his so-called "brother," the original owner of the account, is apparently alive and thriving, as per his Facebook profile. It's a miracle, right?

Facebook account: https://www.facebook.com/msinulingga1

archive: https://ninjastic.space/post/24713930

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IMO the feedback left on the profile is justified, and I do hope the ban evasion rule catches up with him when the mods properly link up the accounts

Worse still, he is just making up stories and telling lies, which definitely is behavior that can not be trusted. The account could have even been hacked/stolen for all we know. So why can't such an account have a warning showing that It changed hands?

[JollyGood]

Excellent post. I think he still will post here in the hope of trying to have both the neutral and negative tags removed but to be clear here, I did not know he was a double ban evader. Ah well, let us wait to read what martyns has to say about it in response.

Let me clarify the matter here, as it appears that some members are a bit confused.

His previous account, BlackViruse was banned for evading the ban (alt of Blackpussy), and he has openly admitted to engaging in this deceptive behavior since 2015:

Abeg make Una dey careful with the wallet Una dey use the one I use for my  2015 banned account bounty hunting days I make mistake use am for signature campaign den ban the account the same day my mama die na high bp I go through una brother Blackpussy Don show for jungle again make Una try for me

archive: https://ninjastic.space/post/55567712

And it's abundantly clear that this is not an innocent mistake made by a novice or a one-time occurrence: Newbie But Not Beginner.

While I initially gave a neutral trust to wait for his explanation, I see no issue with others giving negative. Anyone who is ready to fabricate stories about deceased family members cannot be considered trustworthy.

Oh, and just for your information, his so-called "brother," the original owner of the account, is apparently alive and thriving, as per his Facebook profile. It's a miracle, right?

Facebook account: https://www.facebook.com/msinulingga1

archive: https://ninjastic.space/post/24713930

[1miau]

Tell your brother to come on the forum and write an explanatory post in our indonesian local board.

Dude, it's not going to happen because his alleged ''brother'' is dead aka ''late'' according to him.

Come on, please don't give him pre-fabricated stupid excuses. 
I really want to read one more unique shitposter apologist story and you are endangering that from coming true. 

So, plz, Sir! Give this shitposter a fair chance. 

Excellent post. I think he still will post here in the hope of trying to have both the neutral and negative tags removed but to be clear here, I did not know he was a double ban evader. Ah well, let us wait to read what martyns has to say about it in response.

Yes, let's wait for his reply.
I'm very eager to hear it. 

[yahoo62278]

Try to give a guy the benefit of doubt and more and more just keeps popping up. My feelings on the matter of account sales still stand though, neutral unless a reputable account is the route I would take. This particular case just gets worse every minute unfortunately.

[martyns]

Sorry,,but,I have to show some,private chat between me and my bro when he gifted me the account last year before my birthday.





I don't know who the blackvirus account belongs to,, it a Nigerian guy I met on telegram that has been helping apply for campaign when i was new here and help me convert my earnings to Naira





 I share my password to him, to help me apply for signature campaigns,,I have no ideal to do it then,,,,, last year July 2022


He helped me,,apply for Betfury with my BTC address and I ask him to help me with Bsc address since I don't know what that is before




This is my first Betfury earnings he help me convert token,,from his BSc to naira I have no access to that wallet,, I only ask him to help me.



He shown me Nigeria board too last year to post,, please I'm not Blackvirus,,,our writting is different please help me,, I'm surviving on this earnings help me,,,Im not scamming,,just to work and help in my little way,,,

I'm a graduate struggling, no job,,, help me please I'm not doing fraud,,, not scam,, just earning some money for living till I get a job, help me.

[1miau]

Sorry,,but,I have to show some,private chat between me and my bro when he gifted me the account last year before my birthday.

Do you realize your chats are wrong way around?
In these messages, you are the one giving him that account and he's asking questions about obviously directly joining a campaign, what you recommended him to avoid (waiting at least 50-70 posts, LOL)
Not suspicious at all, dude. 

Can your indonesian brother come here on Bitcointalk and write an indonesian post? 

[martyns]

Sorry,,but,I have to show some,private chat between me and my bro when he gifted me the account last year before my birthday.

Do you realize your chats are wrong way around?
In these messages, you are the one giving him that account and he's asking questions about obviously directly joining a campaign, what you recommended him to avoid (waiting at least 50-70 posts, LOL)
Not suspicious at all, dude. 

Can your indonesian brother come here on Bitcointalk and write an indonesian post? 

I asked a question,, and he replied do you have any idea how WhatsApp works,,, why you hating me and not seeing all the chats and date,,, please check again and help me.

[1miau]

Sorry,,but,I have to show some,private chat between me and my bro when he gifted me the account last year before my birthday.
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Do you realize your chats are wrong way around?
In these messages, you are the one giving him that account and he's asking questions about obviously directly joining a campaign, what you recommended him to avoid (waiting at least 50-70 posts, LOL)
Not suspicious at all, dude. 

Can your indonesian brother come here on Bitcointalk and write an indonesian post? 

I asked a question,, and he replied do you have any idea how WhatsApp works,,, why you hating me and not seeing all the chats and date,,, please check again and help me.

Your excuse doesn't make sense at all...
I'm not hating you, I'm just giving you the benefit of doubt.
But how should I treat your screenshots considering the fact that you've said you've screenshotted your conversation but you are the one giving him that account (which is wrong way around according to your story). I have WhatsApp as well and you are the one having double checkmarks (sender) and you (sender) are giving him account details + advice how to start shitposting participating in a campaign.
So, in your screenshots, your chats are wrong way around, dude.

Can your indonesian brother come here on Bitcointalk and write an indonesian post?

[decodx]

Do you realize your chats are wrong way around?
In these messages, you are the one giving him that account and he's asking questions about obviously directly joining a campaign, what you recommended him to avoid (waiting at least 50-70 posts, LOL)
Not suspicious at all, dude.  

Can your indonesian brother come here on Bitcointalk and write an indonesian post?  

I asked a question,, and he replied do you have any idea how WhatsApp works,,, why you hating me and not seeing all the chats and date,,, please check again and help me.

Oh, bravo! Someone's clearly a WhatsApp expert here!  

By the way, just in case you were curious, the messages you sent are on the right side of the screen, and the double tick mark below them means they have been delivered and/or seen. But I'm sure you already knew that, right? Well, congratulations! You've just added another nail to your own coffin. 

[mikeywith]

Try to give a guy the benefit of doubt and more and more just keeps popping up. My feelings on the matter of account sales still stand though, neutral unless a reputable account is the route I would take. This particular case just gets worse every minute unfortunately.

I know I couldn't be more sure about the fact that he is making up all those stories, and it's more than likely that he bought the account, but with all due respect to the fellow DT members who tagged him negatively I don't think it's justified, if I were a campaign manager I probably wouldn't hire a bought account with the assumption that if a person can't build his own account -- he would unlikely benefit the campaign, but on what bases do I think that person is untrustworthy or a scammer?

Let's just pretend that someone manages to prove that the  "theymos" account has changed hands 7 years ago, and the real "theymos" died and passed it to his "brother", are we going to tag the account? is it really the person behind the account that matters or the account itself? to me, it feels like the tags on his account judge the person rather than the 'persona' that currently operates the account, it's like we know that the real person behind the account 1miau for example is not a serial killer in real life , we don't, but via his posts and my interactions with him, I know that his online-persona is to be trusted. So if someone proves that 1miau is a terrible person in real life -- that wouldn't change my point of view in regards to 1miau's forum persona.

Now begs the question, has martyns committed any scam or untrustworthy behavior after the day he got his hands on the account?

[Plaguedeath]

Many users kept questioning if the account had commit scam or cheat in the past, let's see this below.

First, check this post where YOSHIE's give a proof if dreamsnight and martyns are alt accounts. Both of them joined in the same campaign [ＢＯＵＮＴＹ] 📒⭐👑 Jinbi Token ~ The Golden ICO - Merging Gold With Blockchain 👑⭐📒 and there's a rule about usage of multiple accounts aren't allowed. The campaign spreadsheet either get deleted or privated, but as we can see both of the accounts have an intention to join twitter and telegram campaign.

#Proof of Authentication

Twitter Campaign
Twitter Profile Link: https://twitter.com/Martinia_shg
Twitter Username: @Martinia_shg

Telegram Campaign
Telegram Username: @eekosanto

Eth address: 0xaf554e5961ce7532DbbE48d2B945F9C0dB4A041C

Archived

#Proof of Authentication
Twitter : https://www.twitter.com/eko_3s
Telegram : @dreamsnight
ETH : 0xC9e8663e0E81F7841492C81c9442Fa4B6a65E2dC

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• Using multi-accounts, cheating and spamming are not allowed. It will results getting all of your accounts permanently banned from all my campaigns

So if anyone think leaving negative feedback with changed hands reason isn't correct in this case, you can give negative feedback with a reason of cheating using multiple accounts. Same applies with users who leave neutral feedback, I think this case already clear.

[Poker Player]

It is curious to see how certain people see the negative feedback as excessive, but instead see the negative feedback on my profile, which the author himself has admitted is in a grey area, as justified.

This case reminds me a lot of Naim027's case. Everybody defending him because poor guy, he only plagiarized in the past several times, and he didn't do it again, and he only sent himself some merits among his alts, but poor guy, he didn't do it again, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

In this case, as in that one, the more you stretch, the more things come out.

I have reported this case in the ban evading thread, but maybe even he will be lucky and will not be banned again, as happened with Naim027, with the moderation of this forum you never know.

[martyns]

It is curious to see how certain people see the negative feedback as excessive, but instead see the negative feedback on my profile, which the author himself has admitted is in a grey area, as justified.

This case reminds me a lot of Naim027's case. Everybody defending him because poor guy, he only plagiarized in the past several times, and he didn't do it again, and he only sent himself some merits among his alts, but poor guy, he didn't do it again, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

In this case, as in that one, the more you stretch, the more things come out.

I have reported this case in the ban evading thread, but maybe even he will be lucky and will not be banned again, as happened with Naim027, with the moderation of this forum you never know.

I see every human as people who have a kind heart,and as people who if they see a brother dieing of hunger,they won't hesitate to offer help.I also know there are rules governing this community,which if one violates it,the person will be penalized,i also accept that there might be some breaches in the past when this account was under the custody of my brother which you did not dig out when it was with him,why now that I'm now handling the account,why do you want to end a poor life.i thought with the little effort have made in trying to show that ever since this account got to my hands,I have never scammed,spammed or plagiarise.Why dont you pity me and help me.Its just a full member rank.I know you can't let a poor begger beg you food without offering help.There some are parts of the world where hunger and starvation dominates,I have been using this full member rank to help myself and my family who suffered to train me in school,and now I should go back and tell them I have lost my source of income as a result of the past record my brother had while he was still active in this forum,it's really heartbreaking.Up till now,I haven't known much things about the forum,and I can't carry out a criminal act when I know this forum is the only reason I am leaving without being depressed of the fact that I finished school,and haven't gotten a job yet.And I promise that in as much as this account is still with me,I won't do anything that goes against the rule of this loving community.Please check my posts ever since I started handling this account,you will see that I hardly make posts that will pose a threat on my existence here,I'm always conscious of the fact that I'm fed by this community,and I won't bite the hands that feed me.Please,I still love to be a part of this community,don't use the past record of my brother to judge me,be considerate,and know not all humans are living a wealthy life,some barely survive from the least you could ever think it will be enough to satisfy them.Please be kind to me.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Its just a full member rank.

Look, stop crying and pushing for pity.
If you say it's "just a full member account," why don't you start developing it yourself?
Maybe I should make a list of people from your country who made a "legend" account with their own hands? Maybe take a look at these guys? The one who every day tries to write everything himself and not invent stories, carefully correcting his lies, first about his brother living in Indonesia, but after a minute making him dead (see his editorial in the archives). Go read everyone who lives in your country and does not whine about how hard it is for him but sits and writes in his self-created account. How are you better than them?

In addition, you bought an account, which means you are not completely poor if you allow yourself to bypass the rules of the forum.
Learn to lose with dignity.

For all those who feel sorry for this "cunning" guy: Can the forum do charity and give out high ranks to such crybabies who, being young, do not want to do anything themselves?   And maybe even pay them extra? Yes, there are many bought and stolen accounts here, but many were bought a long time ago. The same story is fresh; in 2021, the forum condemned such transformations of changing hands. And I always assumed that if you bought someone else's account, maybe you should check everything that the previous owner did in the past. No one would have noticed anything if he had not started writing in his local section

[JollyGood]

Many users kept questioning if the account had commit scam or cheat in the past, let's see this below.

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So if anyone think leaving negative feedback with changed hands reason isn't correct in this case, you can give negative feedback with a reason of cheating using multiple accounts. Same applies with users who leave neutral feedback, I think this case already clear.

It seems to get worse for martyns as he tried very hard to save the account from receiving negative tags.

It is curious to see how certain people see the negative feedback as excessive, but instead see the negative feedback on my profile, which the author himself has admitted is in a grey area, as justified.

It is simply another example of hypocrisy and there are many cases, as you and others must have noticed. The one on your profile is clearly revenge based and as it is retaliatory it should not even be there.

This case reminds me a lot of Naim027's case. Everybody defending him because poor guy, he only plagiarized in the past several times, and he didn't do it again, and he only sent himself some merits among his alts, but poor guy, he didn't do it again, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

He received a lot of sympathy at the beginning but in the end when the lies and alt-accounts were exposed, members should have learned from supporting such cases. I know each issue should be taken on case-by-case basis but there has to be a degree of flexibility.

In this case, as in that one, the more you stretch, the more things come out.

In some ways it is good martyns is defending himself but lie after lie is not exactly a good defence to put forward. I cannot work out why he/she/they simply cannot register new accounts and build up rank in order to join signature campaigns rather than go down the "it was given to me" or "I am poor" route.

I have reported this case in the ban evading thread, but maybe even he will be lucky and will not be banned again, as happened with Naim027, with the moderation of this forum you never know.

There is a possibility moderators could take action but you have done the right thing by reporting him. Now it is up to them.

Its just a full member rank.

Look, stop crying and pushing for pity.
If you say it's "just a full member account," why don't you start developing it yourself?

There is no excuse for any member to not build up their own account even if they are farming them for multiple bounty and campaign participation. Why the need to buy?

In addition, you bought an account, which means you are not completely poor if you allow yourself to bypass the rules of the forum.
Learn to lose with dignity.

He will try his best to keep posting a new story (even more extravagant than the previous one) while he tries to put forward a sympathetic case asking for the tags to be revised or removed.

For all those who feel sorry for this "cunning" guy: Can the forum do charity and give out high ranks to such crybabies who, being young, do not want to do anything themselves?   And maybe even pay them extra? Yes, there are many bought and stolen accounts here, but many were bought a long time ago. The same story is fresh; in 2021, the forum condemned such transformations of changing hands. And I always assumed that if you bought someone else's account, maybe you should check everything that the previous owner did in the past. No one would have noticed anything if he had not started writing in his local section

It seems with the previous banned accounts linked to him, he could even more accounts under his controlled. The problem is that he has lied repetitively and now there is no way to trust him regardless of what he will say.

[348Judah]

Base on what i can deduce here, it's either the account got sold to another user who happened to be from another country and soeak a different language entirely or the user is an unspecific person trying to proof smartness by intruding into other locale languages in other for him not to be traced to a particular one, well i believe he's upto something for doing that, making a comment on other local is not the crime but rather showing a dubious display of smartness of appearing anywhere, the google could easily help translate every discussion you needed into the locale language as desired and all we know is that English is a general and acceptable common language everyone can speak, learn or claim.

[holydarkness]

[...] There some are parts of the world where hunger and starvation dominates,I have been using this full member rank to help myself and my family who suffered to train me in school,and now I should go back and tell them I have lost my source of income as a result of the past record my brother had while he was still active in this forum,it's really heartbreaking.[...]

Err, I thought your family stays in Indonesia with your brother?

My account isn't a hacked one or a bought account,this account is a gift from my late brother  on my birthday,he schooled and lived at Indonesia with his family and remember to give me this account after he stopped usage of it for a long while,I live and stay in Nigeria,while my brother stayed at Indonesia with his family.[...]

Ahh... You're meaning to say he's living in Indonesia with his own family, as in his wife and children, while you stay in Nigeria with the big family of both of your parents and other siblings? It will be nice and might helps clear out several issues if you can answer me these previous questions, though:

[...]
1. What did your brother and your family do in Indonesia? I understand you said he was studying in Indonesia, is he still studying? Currently working? Which part of Indonesia is this, exactly?
2. I also noticed that you said you just graduated and jobless... that put you like... early twenties? How about your brother? How old is he?
3. Now this is quite serious. The bolded part of your post I quoted, if you don't have other account, can you explain how you shared the same address as BlackViruse as unearthed by decodx here?

Number 3 is arguably answered --though I have a question about that too, but it has to wait-- so you can leave that out.

[FatFork]

Sorry,,but,I have to show some,private chat between me and my bro when he gifted me the account last year before my birthday.
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Sorry, but those screenshots you provided show that YOU gave access information to someone, not the other way around. (Assuming that the chats are legit and not fabricated). You probably mixed up your WhatsApp accounts and took a screenshot from the wrong one.

I don't know who the blackvirus account belongs to,, it a Nigerian guy I met on telegram that has been helping apply for campaign when i was new here and help me convert my earnings to Naira

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 I share my password to him, to help me apply for signature campaigns,,I have no ideal to do it then,,,,, last year July 2022

Your story doesn't add up. Even if we were to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that your story about the gift account from your brother is true, there's no way you're telling the truth about this part. The chat screenshots clearly show that you claim to have had a conversation about this on July 17th and supposedly shared your btc address and login details with someone you met on Telegram. But that's a load of rubbish because you had already applied to multiple signature campaigns using that exact same btc address several days before! It's obvious that you're lying through your teeth!

Proof of your application to the StarBets.io campaign from July 12: https://ninjastic.space/post/60556700
Proof of your application to the Shaker.finance campaign from July 15: https://ninjastic.space/post/60570965

He shown me Nigeria board too last year to post,, please I'm not Blackvirus,,,our writting is different please help me,, I'm surviving on this earnings help me,,,Im not scamming,,just to work and help in my little way,,,

Seriously? More lies? Your feeble attempts to manipulate the truth are utterly transparent, and your credibility is non-existent. Stop trying to pull the wool over our eyes with your blatant falsehoods. After reading everything in this thread, I have absolutely no sympathy for you. If you had been honest from the start, you might have received a few neutral trust ratings on your account to indicate the change in account ownership. However, your dishonesty has exposed your true character. Even if we ignore your repeated attempts at ban evasion, playing the pity card has only resulted in earning you negative trust.

[m2017]

~snip

What do you guys want me to do now? I'm a graduate struggling here to survive,there is no job here in my country,and was using this account to sought out little problems for myself.Its my elder brother who lived at Indonesia who that gift me this account.I have not scammed,spammed or do any illegal activity in this forum ever since I started making posts here.I didn't buy or hack this account.This is the only source of my little income,I will appreciate it if my reputation is redeemed please.
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In my opinion, everything is very clearly written here. Except for the tales about the brother from Indonesia (or is it still true?).

~snip
Can your indonesian brother come here on Bitcointalk and write an indonesian post? 

Oh, it must be something out of fiction.
Perhaps we will wait for a curious and interesting story from him.

~snip

Regardless of whether what martyns said is true and this account has not been bought/hacked, in any case, the community will not approve of the transfer of he's account. Even if his brother creates a separate topic with consideration of the transfer of the account (I doubt that this will happen and martyns will not be able to confirm his words in any way).

~snip
Learn to lose with dignity.
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Probably, this will be the last thing martyns needs to learn on the forum.

There is nothing more to add here.