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April 26, 2023, 05:35:47 PM
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Bad news spreads faster than good news! Also when we are going through a bull cycle, bitcoin usually enjoys a huge amount of attention. So media houses try to post clickbait articles in a wrapper of bad news to get a share from that global attention. That's all business for them.

That's usually not the case for Good news. So good things usually spread slower. I would say don't get into bad or good news. If you believe in Bitcoin, stay with it. No time is the good or bad time to get into Bitcoin. It just needs patience.

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April 26, 2023, 05:49:10 PM
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Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
Since I came across bitcoin their is this set of people that their job is to cook and analyse bad things about bitcoin, and one who is not very familiar with the knowledge of bitcoin will just fall for it and miss good opportunity. People will always talk bad things about bitcoin just to promote their Ponzi scheme and switching, the best thing is never to  give them listening ears.

Many people have miss lots of opportunities by getting advice from wrong  people without making better research to know the right things to do. I could remember some past bear market that would have been opportunities for young investors to invest,  some enemy of bitcoin cooked lies that was the end  of bitcoin to put fears in people but bitcoin still exist and always been the best.

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April 26, 2023, 05:50:24 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...
Maybe that's what you've only noticed but in every season, bears or bulls, we do get the same FUD and these bad news are all over the market in all times. They only have one goal and that's to send people fear and panic so that they will sell.

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
No, we're not being played. That's just part of bitcoin and its market being volatile and it's normal to a market that has this type of obstacles.

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April 26, 2023, 06:10:13 PM
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First, you must know every fud intends to force the price down and since that is the ultimate goal for fuds, it becomes clear that in times of bear markets, it's best to generate a lot of fuds that could possibly force the market to stay down for as long as possible and that is why we have so much fuds during a bear market.

But in a bull market, everyone is already amazed by the ability of Bitcoin to break every previous barrier and this could easily shade off every possible fuds naturally, both bull and bear markets have their peculiar sentiments
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April 26, 2023, 06:16:26 PM
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There are bad news in a bull market as well but every bad news in a bull market are less powerful because the hype after every Bitcoin halving is so powerful to neutralize any negative news in the space, I believe that is what happens in every bull market.

Bad news are very effective in a bear market, I can't say that there isn't any form of manipulation though, because CZ knew about FTX corruption and he decide to let the cats out when the bear market started in 2022, good timing?

This is the case where we can say that 'Everybody Knows', everyone knows how the crypto market works, only the newbies who are controlled by hype and FOMO lacks the knowledge, in the crypto space, manipulation is real.

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April 26, 2023, 07:47:44 PM
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There are various interesting perspectives in this thread, given by others. Some explain the phenomenon with whale manipulation, some focus on the long-term bull run of Bitcoin, others question the op's observation about bad and good news.
In my opinion, it's not that there isn't any good news during the bear market and vice versa, but the impact of news. When the sentiment is pessimistic, even a pretty good thing like a solid company starting to accept Bitcoin doesn't change the situation much because it's just not deemed important, and it gets less attention. The same is true for bad things happening and being covered by the media when Bitcoin is on a rapid rise up. But eventually there might come a moment when the news can impact the price or at least strongly correlate with the price change, and then the tide turns.
I don't think it's due to anyone's manipulations; I think it's just a result of human tendencies, including confirmation bias (we notice what we want to notice based on what we already believe is true).

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There are always bad news when it comes to bitcoin. Jut two things that make you think that bad news vanish diring a bull market.

1.Illusion of Magnitude: Since during bitcoin bull runs people are more focused on bitcoin's ever increasing price, bad news and negative propaganda against bitcoin doesn't work that much, giving the illusion that bitcoin issues are gone during a bull market when in fact it doesn't. It just gets overshadowed by the positive light bitcoin is receiving.

2. Feedback Mechanism: Most bull runs commence at the break of a positive news. For 2016 bull run it was the price increase of bitcoin. For 2020 you can probably blame Elon for publicizing his purchase of bitcoins and his "support" of cryptocurrencies.
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The price of Bitcoin is heavily influenced by news. If there is a continuous stream of negative news, it can cause panic among holders, leading to a massive sell-off and a subsequent market dump. It's important to note that the dump occurs because of the bad news and not the other way around. Similarly, when there is an influx of positive news, it can create FOMO (fear of missing out), leading people to buy again and causing the market to pump.

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April 26, 2023, 08:08:19 PM
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
Well, what I think is that, there Is always bad news at all times, both in the bear and bull seasons of bitcoin, but there is a difference, and that difference is what makes people's reactions to the bad news different for both season.

What are this difference?

During bear market, investors and traders alike, are calm, and they have their ears on the ground, and constantly looking at the news, watching out for clues to either buy or sell bitcoin.
But during bull market, investors and traders are people high on drugs, nobody is paying attention to the media, they all have their eyes and brains fixed on the price of bitcoin and other altcoin, the only discussion at this time is, what resistance bitcoin is going to break next, what the all time high will likely be, no body pays attention to the news, most especially, if it's negative, everybody just wanna make money.

This I believe is the reason why bad news easily spread fast during bear market, than it does during bull market.

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April 26, 2023, 08:22:49 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...
Bad news always happens in every market season but in the bearish market season, it's easy for bad news to influence the market because most of the investors are already in fear and choose to hold due to the potential of the market.
The reason why the bad news appears to disappear is that most investors focus on the upcoming market rally and don't want to miss it.

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
Sort of, a lot of news platforms and the whales at some point do something to manipulate the market for their own selfish reason and this is why it is good to avoid shitcoin.

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April 26, 2023, 08:50:36 PM
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
I have witness only one bear market and I have only spend one year in the crypto blockchain. Bear market is always a good market for everyone but for real born again bitcoiners. Because it is the bear market people are interested to invest in it. Just like you sow a seed in the wet ground in the early ours of the year and harvest it in the next seven to eight months time.

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April 26, 2023, 08:57:45 PM
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
Out in a decade then they had formed out that kind of pattern, i cant just remember on what it is precisely but this is the arrangement of it.

- Bear market
- Sideways movement
- Accumulation
- Bull market

and so on ....

4 year cycle as they say basing up on the years that been passing by which we do really have that kind of pattern which we could say that it is really indeed
a bit considerable or something we could say that its true. In speaking about manipulation then its not really that shocking anymore.
Its normal that on bull market then everything would turn out to be positive where news do really like adoption and recognition and other big buy events
but when bear market starts then expect the other side of things which it isnt something new.

Important thing on here, is that you do really know on how to place up yourself in the market to have that kind of possible earning opportunity.

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April 26, 2023, 09:21:36 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose?

Some bad news that also makes market to crash are false, or a means of tricking the market and taking advantage but not all. Just like the dip from $30k to $27k, that happened during the period when the government sold 9,861 bitcoins out of the 50,000 bitcoins that were discovered under the Georgia crypto scammer. I think that news contributed to the fall of Bitcoin price.

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Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

If you think they are playing you, then you have to learn not to get played, but I believe you have already learned how to get used to the system since you said you experienced the crash twice.

If the bad news comes in and the hands that cannot hold their portfolio sell out of panic, then there are still people who will buy the dip, so instead of selling, also join to take advantage of the dip.

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April 26, 2023, 09:31:47 PM
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

I have somewhat different observations: bearish news during bull market make BTC go down, bullish news during bear market have no effect on the price. Why it's so? Manipulation cannot be ruled out completely. Bitcoin has so many foes, I wouldn't be surprised all/some of them would love to see Bitcoin fail.
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April 26, 2023, 10:36:00 PM
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
While it is obvious there is some manipulation at play here, at the same time it is not as if we do not do a good job at this on our own, many years ago I used to watch some shows related to the stock market and things were always the same, when the market was bullish then the commentators always give bullish signals and anyone which dared to give a word of caution was considered a permabear, and as you may guess when the market was going through a bad period the opposite happened, and it does not surprise me to see the same kind of behavior on the market of cryptocurrencies.

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April 26, 2023, 10:44:15 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Bad news also come during the bull market in the same way good news comes during the bear market.  It is that when bad news comes during a bear market, it was emphasized and traders react easily because of them being in bearish sentiment, that is the reason why we feel bad news in a bearish market while when a piece of bad news comes in a bull market, it was ignored and overcome by the good news.

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

Obviously some wealthy individuals will try to manipulate the market, it is also a saying that knowing how to ride a whale action can give an advantage to us minnows. So I believe the best action is to be updated and be ready to read the market trend.  Take advantage of Bitcoin discounts during the bear market and DCA if possible. Trade with mind not with emotion, I believe that is the best thing to do.

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April 26, 2023, 11:04:54 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...
When bad news came out people started to sell their bitcoins and that is why the price is going down. Its called panic attack, lots of new people join the market when the price is going up so it helps the price to go up more and more but when they heard any bad news they got panicked and sell their coin which causes the price to go down.

Also there are many facts that cause the price moving down-trend and up-trend.
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This is not new at all because when the Covid-19 pandemic was about to start, they already made a claim that it will be a great escape for bitcoin's creators and they claim bitcoin at that time will lose its value but look what happened, it didn't go well for them and bitcoins still kicking and its price still decent and we have this momentum that it will gonna rise its price soon because of its current movement in the crypto market. That's why you really need to ignore everyone when it comes to your money-making method because they are all just speculating and to fully listen to them will only get you manipulated.

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April 26, 2023, 11:42:22 PM
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It's a shame that when the market is bearish you can't take advantage of it.

Bad news and good news always coexist in crypto and it will happen at the right moment.
When a bearish market occurs FUD pressure will be stronger because FUD exposure is getting higher and some good news that appears cannot compensate for it and finally the good news sinks.

It also applies vice versa, when Bullish arrives a lot of good news appears and more and more, so FUD has no place to appear.

But why do all the events seem to be very precise with the news? Of course, this is also the intervention of the Whales who have control over the media and this is the manipulation that the Whales always do. Follow them and don't fight them, because they have control over the news that appears.
They can control FUD and FOMO and we as traders or small investors can only follow them, not fight them.
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April 26, 2023, 11:52:39 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...


Good/bad news happen during both bull and bear markets. Most of the news that are viewed as bad or good actually don't have much impact at all. Also a lot of the news are caused by the market rather than being the force behind the market. For example, during the last bull cycle there was a lot of news about institutional adoption - institutions were trying to profit from the bull market and in turn fueled it.
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