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April 26, 2023, 02:08:15 PM
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
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April 26, 2023, 02:18:20 PM
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Bad news always comes after a huge freaking pump which happened in 2020-21 when Bitcoin price went from $3k to $69k. That's more than 20x isn't it?
So when people make that shit ton of money, they start investing in shit projects which don't end up good and that leads to destruction which you might have seen in 2022.

Also, a 70% correction after a 2000% pump is inevitable. It's just whales playing the game, that affects clowns which leads to bad news.
I hope it makes sense now.
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April 26, 2023, 02:23:00 PM
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Have you considered that people just brushes of any negative news from regulators that comes out during a bullrun? I'm quite confident that there are articles that came out after halving but it's most likely that the noise coming from the hype is louder that any of these "ban" and lawsuits. I bet nobody cares about SEC and central banks when you see a lot of long green candles.

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April 26, 2023, 02:23:03 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
That's the reality, right? it's not only about Bitcoin, but the other event is same.

Any articles never discuss about banks collapsed and it's not safe to hold your money in banks, but when Silicon Valley Bank was collapsed, there are many articles discuss about banks collapsed, advice anyone to hold that the maximum amount FDIC can insure and recommend to diversify to other investments.

When bear market happen, people will panic, so to make people more panic they're create FUD or bad news.

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April 26, 2023, 02:24:49 PM
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Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

Although I am not an old bitcoiner just like you have stated but I wouldn’t say that during bear market we experienced the bad things, but rather what I have observed is it is this bad news that actually bring up the bear market. When there’s restrictions or ban on cryptocurrency then many people just withdraw their funds and not the other way around. Also if an hack happens to all this big exchanges we experience bear period as more funds are withdrawn.

The government actually reduces there restrictions during fiat problems like bank bankruptcy or should I say they have seen how investors were patient during the bear market and they would just have to reduced the restrictions just to find a way to regulate it since people are moving towards it at a higher rate than in the bearish period

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April 26, 2023, 02:34:43 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...
Are you sure that in bear market, there are only bad news?
Are you sure that in bull market, there are only good news?

I bet on differ that in both markets, there are good and bad news. It's just in a bear market, bad news are considered as really bad but in bear market, bad news are easily ignored by people. The same for good news which is considered nothing in a bear market but is something like a nuclear bomb for Bitcoin explosion in a bull market.

If you need examples, see the Bitcoin obituaries

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April 26, 2023, 02:47:56 PM
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Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

Yes. We are being played. I could come up with theories but that's the way it is. It is often the scared retailed investors who are the ones affected and regret selling.

It could be there really are big institutions behind every fud and bad news and they are in alliance with Gary Gensler and the government. And when scared investors had been dumping scaredly with what they hold, the institutions will come buying back after 3 years in time for having.

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April 26, 2023, 02:52:18 PM
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what i realised years ago is this

bitcoin is in a constant bull.. you just need to stop looking at the small temporary drama to see it and stretch out the market over years to see the big picture

however there are time were bitcoin super calves(short young bull) then corrects
alot of people want to see what the new bottoms are so try everything to test the new bottoms. to ensure the new bottoms are stronger than the previous bottoms. as that then cements and shows support to prove the bull is still there to then push for the next calve

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whilst many want to discuss short term of each /\  and each \/  they are missing the point that the next \/ is higher than the last \/  (per cycle not hour day)

yep when prices are on a dip people want to see how low it can go and realise that the low is higher than last cycles low
its all about testing bottoms to strengthen the new bottom at a new raised amount to previous cycle

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April 26, 2023, 02:54:48 PM
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It's how the media wants to play the game. Of course, during bear markets, the media will sell all its news hard and make money off it. And during the bull runs, they would stay silent as possible because their news wouldn't be bought anyway. It's how they make money, and for sure they are paid to peddle those news hard when the situation aligns to whatever they're reporting. It's a common tactic they've been doing for years way before crypto is around.
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April 26, 2023, 03:02:34 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Mainstream media manipulation is the key. Media manipulation is worst before than this especially when China is still involved in Bitcoin. It’s normal that news outlet create a news that follows the trend since that’s what most user wants to read due to current condition. It’s easier to sell a bad news on a chaotic market than bullish since no one will be interested to read it if it’s against the current market condition.

These news bad and good are existing in daily basis. Mainstream media just picking the specific news that related to the current thread to attract viewers. They are getting profit from traffic. I’m they will not gonna sell news that is not approprite to the trend.

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April 26, 2023, 03:12:10 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose?

This isn't happening on purpose, since you're aware that bitcoin is a decentralized digital currency, which means nobody is in charge of these happenings, it's sone anyone cab take time to create on their own to either cause distractions or make people fear of missing out, when there's dip in bitcoin price, it's a normal thing that people begin to exercise some doubt or fear because they don't want to loose their entire asset to bitcoin bear, but once you have a clear understanding that bitcoin cannot go down no matter how dip it runs, you have just overcome all the fear that may comes around such period.

Are we been played?

No one plays each other in a decentralized network like bitcoin and blockchain technology, everything happening is plain and open, we trust the network immutability.



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April 26, 2023, 03:12:29 PM
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I have noticed that the media tends to remain silent when the market is experiencing a huge bull run. However, they tend to spread negative news that can affect Bitcoin's value when we are in a bear market. Some of this news could be FUD and lack credible sources.

The media's goal is to make investors stressed and worried about Bitcoin's situation. It's important not to fall for their manipulations and to stay strong and believe in Bitcoin. Sooner or later, Bitcoin's value will likely grow a lot in the future and HOLDERS will be millionairesIf they don't lose their seed phrase/private keys.
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April 26, 2023, 03:14:11 PM
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I do not think i have noticed what you are talking about, maybe i do not pay attention to the conventional media for BTC news, maybe you should do the same thing as well, i get things better when i read and discuss here in the forum, and i get the best information on things i need to know.

What i have noticed and i think is true is that in the bear market, many people do not buy BTC, i believe it is because there are too many weak hands and quick profit-only people, but when the bull run or pump begins or as the halving is coming, many of them go into fomo buying. That is why it is difficult for someone who does not understand what BTC is to use the dca strategy, that method is for strong hands and for people who know what BTC really is, weak hands only want to fomo buy and sell out as fast as they can. Market manipulations happens in the industry, but it does not affect BTC to much because of how decentralized it is and the lack of decisive control in the hands of anyone or group.

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Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

It depends on how you look at it, because even if what you say is true, then it is still somewhat "normal" for someone to play you once or maybe twice because you are young, naive and inexperienced. But it's not normal if you don't learn anything from it, and for anyone who turns on their brain a little, the rules of the "game" become clear - so instead of someone "playing" you, why not use the rules of the game to your advantage?

"Play me once, shame on you. Play me twice, shame on me"

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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

Bitcoin does have a tendency to create perfect storms quite often. No idea if these events are orchestrated to help create these peaks and valleys or if it is just a side effect as people scramble to find explanations for the price movements. All that really matters is the four year cycle though. Zoom out, ignore the news, and stick to your plan.

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Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
You do not sound stupid @OP,

Life is a series of events, Good sometimes and the other time events that are bad. Nobody is playing you, just know that at times when the positive events are more than the negative events, there will be a bull, and at other times when there are more negative events, the market will be affected.

When there are positive events, it doesn't mean that there is no negative event with the potential to affect the market that has happened, it just means that the events are not negative enough to overshadow the positive events, this goes the other way as well too.

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It's how the media wants to play the game. Of course, during bear markets, the media will sell all its news hard and make money off it. And during the bull runs, they would stay silent as possible because their news wouldn't be bought anyway. It's how they make money, and for sure they are paid to peddle those news hard when the situation aligns to whatever they're reporting. It's a common tactic they've been doing for years way before crypto is around.
Yeah, exactly; no complicated games are involved; it's simple media journalism. Both during bear and bull markets, Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general become trending topics that even those who have no clue about them read about. I even caught my father a few months ago reading and commenting about an article about the so-called collapse of Bitcoin, when it reached a low of $18,000. My father is quite old, knows nothing about cryptocurrencies, and hardly does anything more complicated than browse the internet.

Do you see my point? Cryptocurrencies are easily become viral topic, because some people praise them while others hate them, and this is what journalists take advantage of, it's news that anybody would possibly read.

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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...
The bear market is always full of manipulations that is why there are so many news that used to come in to make weak investors to sell there holdings.

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Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
Anyhow it comes, we are not bothered by any fake news that could make us feel bad about the current situation of the market. As years go by, people especially investors are becoming resistance to many of this fud news that could make us sell our holdings or see the market for another wrong perspective.
We are becoming immune to news that are irrelevant in the market that is why make news that are being used to manipulate the market are not effective in the market again.









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In my opinion, for all conditions bad news is more prevalent during bear markets and will not escape media coverage. My view During a bear market, investors may be more risk averse and therefore more sensitive to negative news. In addition, they may be more likely to report negative events during a bear market because they are perceived as more newsworthy. This can create a negative cycle reinforcing the bearish sentiment.

I think market cycles and media coverage are closely linked but in this moment i think  the investors are very smart now, I guess it's easy to see it is just a matter of correlating then adjusting the data to the facts only Although it is possible that some entities are deliberately manipulating the market through the spread of false information in order to avoid getting caught up in fear or hype and making investment decisions based on research and good analysis.

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Naturally speaking bad news spread more than good news so I will say this is also attached to bitcoin, many people will only hear about bitcoin when someone has lost its money because he or she could not hold till there is a bull and some will hear about it when profits making for the people that invested at its peak.

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Bad news spreads faster than good news! Also when we are going through a bull cycle, bitcoin usually enjoys a huge amount of attention. So media houses try to post clickbait articles in a wrapper of bad news to get a share from that global attention. That's all business for them.

That's usually not the case for Good news. So good things usually spread slower. I would say don't get into bad or good news. If you believe in Bitcoin, stay with it. No time is the good or bad time to get into Bitcoin. It just needs patience.

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Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
Since I came across bitcoin their is this set of people that their job is to cook and analyse bad things about bitcoin, and one who is not very familiar with the knowledge of bitcoin will just fall for it and miss good opportunity. People will always talk bad things about bitcoin just to promote their Ponzi scheme and switching, the best thing is never to  give them listening ears.

Many people have miss lots of opportunities by getting advice from wrong  people without making better research to know the right things to do. I could remember some past bear market that would have been opportunities for young investors to invest,  some enemy of bitcoin cooked lies that was the end  of bitcoin to put fears in people but bitcoin still exist and always been the best.

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April 26, 2023, 05:50:24 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...
Maybe that's what you've only noticed but in every season, bears or bulls, we do get the same FUD and these bad news are all over the market in all times. They only have one goal and that's to send people fear and panic so that they will sell.

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
No, we're not being played. That's just part of bitcoin and its market being volatile and it's normal to a market that has this type of obstacles.

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First, you must know every fud intends to force the price down and since that is the ultimate goal for fuds, it becomes clear that in times of bear markets, it's best to generate a lot of fuds that could possibly force the market to stay down for as long as possible and that is why we have so much fuds during a bear market.

But in a bull market, everyone is already amazed by the ability of Bitcoin to break every previous barrier and this could easily shade off every possible fuds naturally, both bull and bear markets have their peculiar sentiments
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There are bad news in a bull market as well but every bad news in a bull market are less powerful because the hype after every Bitcoin halving is so powerful to neutralize any negative news in the space, I believe that is what happens in every bull market.

Bad news are very effective in a bear market, I can't say that there isn't any form of manipulation though, because CZ knew about FTX corruption and he decide to let the cats out when the bear market started in 2022, good timing?

This is the case where we can say that 'Everybody Knows', everyone knows how the crypto market works, only the newbies who are controlled by hype and FOMO lacks the knowledge, in the crypto space, manipulation is real.

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There are various interesting perspectives in this thread, given by others. Some explain the phenomenon with whale manipulation, some focus on the long-term bull run of Bitcoin, others question the op's observation about bad and good news.
In my opinion, it's not that there isn't any good news during the bear market and vice versa, but the impact of news. When the sentiment is pessimistic, even a pretty good thing like a solid company starting to accept Bitcoin doesn't change the situation much because it's just not deemed important, and it gets less attention. The same is true for bad things happening and being covered by the media when Bitcoin is on a rapid rise up. But eventually there might come a moment when the news can impact the price or at least strongly correlate with the price change, and then the tide turns.
I don't think it's due to anyone's manipulations; I think it's just a result of human tendencies, including confirmation bias (we notice what we want to notice based on what we already believe is true).

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There are always bad news when it comes to bitcoin. Jut two things that make you think that bad news vanish diring a bull market.

1.Illusion of Magnitude: Since during bitcoin bull runs people are more focused on bitcoin's ever increasing price, bad news and negative propaganda against bitcoin doesn't work that much, giving the illusion that bitcoin issues are gone during a bull market when in fact it doesn't. It just gets overshadowed by the positive light bitcoin is receiving.

2. Feedback Mechanism: Most bull runs commence at the break of a positive news. For 2016 bull run it was the price increase of bitcoin. For 2020 you can probably blame Elon for publicizing his purchase of bitcoins and his "support" of cryptocurrencies.
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The price of Bitcoin is heavily influenced by news. If there is a continuous stream of negative news, it can cause panic among holders, leading to a massive sell-off and a subsequent market dump. It's important to note that the dump occurs because of the bad news and not the other way around. Similarly, when there is an influx of positive news, it can create FOMO (fear of missing out), leading people to buy again and causing the market to pump.

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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
Well, what I think is that, there Is always bad news at all times, both in the bear and bull seasons of bitcoin, but there is a difference, and that difference is what makes people's reactions to the bad news different for both season.

What are this difference?

During bear market, investors and traders alike, are calm, and they have their ears on the ground, and constantly looking at the news, watching out for clues to either buy or sell bitcoin.
But during bull market, investors and traders are people high on drugs, nobody is paying attention to the media, they all have their eyes and brains fixed on the price of bitcoin and other altcoin, the only discussion at this time is, what resistance bitcoin is going to break next, what the all time high will likely be, no body pays attention to the news, most especially, if it's negative, everybody just wanna make money.

This I believe is the reason why bad news easily spread fast during bear market, than it does during bull market.

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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...
Bad news always happens in every market season but in the bearish market season, it's easy for bad news to influence the market because most of the investors are already in fear and choose to hold due to the potential of the market.
The reason why the bad news appears to disappear is that most investors focus on the upcoming market rally and don't want to miss it.

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
Sort of, a lot of news platforms and the whales at some point do something to manipulate the market for their own selfish reason and this is why it is good to avoid shitcoin.

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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
I have witness only one bear market and I have only spend one year in the crypto blockchain. Bear market is always a good market for everyone but for real born again bitcoiners. Because it is the bear market people are interested to invest in it. Just like you sow a seed in the wet ground in the early ours of the year and harvest it in the next seven to eight months time.

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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
Out in a decade then they had formed out that kind of pattern, i cant just remember on what it is precisely but this is the arrangement of it.

- Bear market
- Sideways movement
- Accumulation
- Bull market

and so on ....

4 year cycle as they say basing up on the years that been passing by which we do really have that kind of pattern which we could say that it is really indeed
a bit considerable or something we could say that its true. In speaking about manipulation then its not really that shocking anymore.
Its normal that on bull market then everything would turn out to be positive where news do really like adoption and recognition and other big buy events
but when bear market starts then expect the other side of things which it isnt something new.

Important thing on here, is that you do really know on how to place up yourself in the market to have that kind of possible earning opportunity.

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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose?

Some bad news that also makes market to crash are false, or a means of tricking the market and taking advantage but not all. Just like the dip from $30k to $27k, that happened during the period when the government sold 9,861 bitcoins out of the 50,000 bitcoins that were discovered under the Georgia crypto scammer. I think that news contributed to the fall of Bitcoin price.

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Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

If you think they are playing you, then you have to learn not to get played, but I believe you have already learned how to get used to the system since you said you experienced the crash twice.

If the bad news comes in and the hands that cannot hold their portfolio sell out of panic, then there are still people who will buy the dip, so instead of selling, also join to take advantage of the dip.

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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

I have somewhat different observations: bearish news during bull market make BTC go down, bullish news during bear market have no effect on the price. Why it's so? Manipulation cannot be ruled out completely. Bitcoin has so many foes, I wouldn't be surprised all/some of them would love to see Bitcoin fail.
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
While it is obvious there is some manipulation at play here, at the same time it is not as if we do not do a good job at this on our own, many years ago I used to watch some shows related to the stock market and things were always the same, when the market was bullish then the commentators always give bullish signals and anyone which dared to give a word of caution was considered a permabear, and as you may guess when the market was going through a bad period the opposite happened, and it does not surprise me to see the same kind of behavior on the market of cryptocurrencies.

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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Bad news also come during the bull market in the same way good news comes during the bear market.  It is that when bad news comes during a bear market, it was emphasized and traders react easily because of them being in bearish sentiment, that is the reason why we feel bad news in a bearish market while when a piece of bad news comes in a bull market, it was ignored and overcome by the good news.

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

Obviously some wealthy individuals will try to manipulate the market, it is also a saying that knowing how to ride a whale action can give an advantage to us minnows. So I believe the best action is to be updated and be ready to read the market trend.  Take advantage of Bitcoin discounts during the bear market and DCA if possible. Trade with mind not with emotion, I believe that is the best thing to do.

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April 26, 2023, 11:04:54 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...
When bad news came out people started to sell their bitcoins and that is why the price is going down. Its called panic attack, lots of new people join the market when the price is going up so it helps the price to go up more and more but when they heard any bad news they got panicked and sell their coin which causes the price to go down.

Also there are many facts that cause the price moving down-trend and up-trend.
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This is not new at all because when the Covid-19 pandemic was about to start, they already made a claim that it will be a great escape for bitcoin's creators and they claim bitcoin at that time will lose its value but look what happened, it didn't go well for them and bitcoins still kicking and its price still decent and we have this momentum that it will gonna rise its price soon because of its current movement in the crypto market. That's why you really need to ignore everyone when it comes to your money-making method because they are all just speculating and to fully listen to them will only get you manipulated.

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April 26, 2023, 11:42:22 PM
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It's a shame that when the market is bearish you can't take advantage of it.

Bad news and good news always coexist in crypto and it will happen at the right moment.
When a bearish market occurs FUD pressure will be stronger because FUD exposure is getting higher and some good news that appears cannot compensate for it and finally the good news sinks.

It also applies vice versa, when Bullish arrives a lot of good news appears and more and more, so FUD has no place to appear.

But why do all the events seem to be very precise with the news? Of course, this is also the intervention of the Whales who have control over the media and this is the manipulation that the Whales always do. Follow them and don't fight them, because they have control over the news that appears.
They can control FUD and FOMO and we as traders or small investors can only follow them, not fight them.

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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...


Good/bad news happen during both bull and bear markets. Most of the news that are viewed as bad or good actually don't have much impact at all. Also a lot of the news are caused by the market rather than being the force behind the market. For example, during the last bull cycle there was a lot of news about institutional adoption - institutions were trying to profit from the bull market and in turn fueled it.
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished?
Actually, all bad news is still there in the bull market but because people are hyped, the bad news sink and disappear is self. When I look at ATH a couple of years ago, I heard several bad news appears during the bull market, but all people didn't talk about it on Twitter or any Social media, then, no need for a long time that bad news is disappearing itself. This means, all the bad news is always there, and it's not making for any purpose except for FUD.

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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...
(....)
Take note also that in the cryptocurrency market, there are a lot of entities or news outlets or personalities that are spreading fake news or in short FUD to try to manipulate the market.
There are a lot of cases here, just like misleading news, fake news, FUD news, etc.
I think you already spot it like how the FUD exists there.

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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished?
Actually, all bad news is still there in the bull market but because people are hyped, the bad news sink and disappear is self. When I look at ATH a couple of years ago, I heard several bad news appears during the bull market, but all people didn't talk about it on Twitter or any Social media, then, no need for a long time that bad news is disappearing itself. This means, all the bad news is always there, and it's not making for any purpose except for FUD.

This is true, bad news always exists and spreads even during the bull season, but people seem less preoccupied and focused on making profits, so bad news goes almost unnoticed. But what OP said is not entirely wrong, in a bear market, there is more bad news than in a bull market. We will never see a big crash in a bull market, but they will always appear one after another in a bear market. So that's why I've always thought crypto is still a manipulated market rather than a market based on supply and demand.



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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished?
Actually, all bad news is still there in the bull market but because people are hyped, the bad news sink and disappear is self. When I look at ATH a couple of years ago, I heard several bad news appears during the bull market, but all people didn't talk about it on Twitter or any Social media, then, no need for a long time that bad news is disappearing itself. This means, all the bad news is always there, and it's not making for any purpose except for FUD.
Bad news and good news are always there all the time. The problem is that the news will strongly impact every moment. So when the market is bearish and bad news is released, even though the bad news doesn't really have a big impact, it has a big impact and makes people panic. Vice versa.

People need to calm themselves down when bad news is released and not take it seriously while figuring out what's happening. Maybe the bad news is just to make people more scared and worried but if people can handle their emotions, the bad news won't have much impact on the market.

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If for 2 cycles you have not dumped when the bull run is at its peak then you sure are hoping for a higher profit. You don't need negative news before dumping, you just need the charts.

But it's true though that it feels like the price is manipulated all the time thru the news and Gary Gensler and it's up to them, whoever they are, when the bull run starts, and when it ends regardless of the halving.


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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished?
Actually, all bad news is still there in the bull market but because people are hyped, the bad news sink and disappear is self. When I look at ATH a couple of years ago, I heard several bad news appears during the bull market, but all people didn't talk about it on Twitter or any Social media, then, no need for a long time that bad news is disappearing itself. This means, all the bad news is always there, and it's not making for any purpose except for FUD.

This the actual thing that happened during the bull run. Yes, those negative news are always there, it is the people's reaction on the certain price that makes the negative or positive news became the main content in the internet, thus make it look like one of them disappears when nobody is talking  about the other one. The same thing goes with what the content will be in this forum when Bitcoin is in bearish or bullish condition.
Some of these news were created to either spread FUD or hype. These doesn't work most of the time because not all investors are dependent on what's the content in the media, instead they are looking at an actual chart/price action.

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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...
Not an OG, but even outside crypto, these kinds of news are always happening. What's the point of all of this? It's simple. It is to get clicks in their articles as well as gain reputation. Like others mentioned here, it's the usual journalism that you can even hear at your live news and this is why I am never ever going to be a journalist. You would hear plenty of times on how many times Bitcoin already died and see those news disappear but still get cemented in Bitcoin Obituaries.

User tranthidung linked a good site for what I am talking about.

Actually, all bad news is still there in the bull market but because people are hyped, the bad news sink and disappear is self. When I look at ATH a couple of years ago, I heard several bad news appears during the bull market, but all people didn't talk about it on Twitter or any Social media, then, no need for a long time that bad news is disappearing itself. This means, all the bad news is always there, and it's not making for any purpose except for FUD.
It is just a simple statement that it is a great news for those who held Bitcoin for so long while it is a bad news for those who are still looking to buy their sold coins back. Twitter is still somehow a good source of news if you read with.....moderation.
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

If you have been here for a couple of years, Do you remember when Elon Musk Announced Tesla would accept Bitcoin as a payment method, and we saw a massive pump on the market? This is whales who are playing with us and the market. Elon Musk announced they would accept Bitcoin as payment method > Market Pumped > Elon Musk Cashed Out his profit > Elon Musk says Tesla will stop accepting bitcoin for car purchases, citing environmental concerns > Market dropped a little bit. He waited a couple of weeks. Probably Buy Back some Bitcoin again, and now > Elon Musk says Tesla will 'most likely' accept bitcoin again when it becomes more eco-friendly. then again > Tesla unlikely to accept Bitcoin again.

I don't know if Tesla accepts Bitcoin right now. But the PDF they prepared and uploaded to their website still exists on their website. Here it is https://www.tesla.com/assets/pdf/BTC_What_You_Need_To_Know_en_US.pdf. This PDF refers to two more web page of their website, which is this and this. I tried searching Keyword "Bitcoin" and found nothing on their website. So, It's unlikely they accept Bitcoin.

This is just a scenario I mentioned. Other whales are hiding and playing with the market.

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I think there will be many explanations for the problem from the OP, but what I feel in the market is that we are very easily psychologically controlled even though we try to calculate everything carefully before starting, but when we go In fact, everything is easily reversed. The news is released as part of the crowd's emotional manipulation of the market and the few that get away with this are left alone with their portfolios in the market.

There are many ways to approach this market but I find that if we don't get enough results to satisfy ourselves, we will always be stuck in what is this
news game that will last, and give it a try. Ask where the news is coming from whether good or bad it is like a war between two factions, participants can either stay out of sight or be one of the parties where they are manipulated by the psychological game needy.









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It's called market sentiment, when the trend is bearish then expect that the people will view the bitcoin in negative things that will cause panic, media manipulation, fear and many more but when the market transition in to bullish you will see that the sentiment will change significantly and people will view it in positive way and there are a lot of good news that will published in the internet. That kind of scenario is pretty normal and it always happen not only cryptocurrencies but also in stocks. The price retraced in the past days but it does mean that we are now in bearish?

For me it is a big no, if you will look at the bigger time frame like weekly and monthly, you can see that the chart already made a solid base that we can consider as major support. Whales are starting to move also and it causes the price to bounce in the key levels. If the price of the bitcoin breaks the $31k then it is confirmation that we will see a bullish season for this year. The bear market is now too long and for me the bitcoin has now a momentum to break the key levels so expect a positive things that will happen in the following weeks.
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When bad news arrive many people fear and start selling their coins, this results in more sell order then buy order and hence the price starts falling down and it seems like we are in the bear market. And when there is no bad news regarding cryptos, many people start buying the coins and hence set the demand of the coin high for which the price goes up due to the limited supply of the coins. In the op you have mentioned that the coins follow reverse pattern, but Bitcoins works the way in which I mentioned above.

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If we pay more attention and combine market analysis both technically, fundamentally and sentimentally. so it can indeed be said that there are times when we see the accumulation period, namely where bitcoin experiences sideways, so at that time small news will be made big. and old news is even brought back as if it were new news. and I think these fuds were deliberately spread to stop the rate of increase. because there are parties who really might do it on purpose because they are in accumulation mode. Because after these parties have finished accumulating, it is not surprising that positive news will begin to emerge. and controlling market sentiment so that it changes in a positive direction. We as market players must be sensitive about this. and I'm still studying this.

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April 27, 2023, 08:57:04 AM
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If for 2 cycles you have not dumped when the bull run is at its peak then you sure are hoping for a higher profit. You don't need negative news before dumping, you just need the charts.

But it's true though that it feels like the price is manipulated all the time thru the news and Gary Gensler and it's up to them, whoever they are, when the bull run starts, and when it ends regardless of the halving.
that is a long time of waiting , although there are holders that keeps their funds since day one ,
yet we can consider this a heroic way now.
imagine seeing your funds increase hundreds of percent yet you manage to wait more?
then you are capable of living without that bitcoin in your wallet.
Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished?
Actually, all bad news is still there in the bull market but because people are hyped, the bad news sink and disappear is self. When I look at ATH a couple of years ago, I heard several bad news appears during the bull market, but all people didn't talk about it on Twitter or any Social media, then, no need for a long time that bad news is disappearing itself. This means, all the bad news is always there, and it's not making for any purpose except for FUD.
bad news will keep popping even there is a bear or bull and people here are used to it, I don't know why OP is still having this thoughts when he already witnessed happening several times.

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April 27, 2023, 09:10:30 AM
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I'm crypto market there are some big whales who are playing with us. They sometime force the market to pump and also also crash the market by making excuse on a little bad news. So markets can be manipulated and fake pumps happen sometimes and after that whales and traders dump the market for a correction.
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April 27, 2023, 10:42:01 AM
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Well, first of all, you don't sound stupid for saying that, it is a good observation and has some reality in it, but what I really think is that news, either good or bad, doesn't stop whether the times are good or bad but it's just that the public tends to react to them based on how the market is reacting, that is probably the reason why when there is a bull run, bad news doesn't really matter much or have much of an effect on the price.

The manipulation of the market is mostly done by the whales and that doesn't always involve news but they tend to do it by buying or selling with big amounts mostly, maybe sometimes the news is a plot for the general public to spread FUD and have a better price for themselves.

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April 27, 2023, 10:59:05 AM
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Personally i think that is the motive behind the constant FUD especially during the bear season, they try to increase the fud on crypto when the price is down to inject more fear on people to sell and stay away but people are more aware and understand the game more. Before china Fud use to have great impact in btc price but overtime people are more understanding of the situation and pay less attention to irrelevant Fud spread by btc haters.
Fud and bad news will always exist as far as human are concerned, in the case of btc fud, majority of crypto users no longer fret over such news because at the end the market still prevail. 

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April 27, 2023, 11:15:18 AM
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During the bear market,because bitcoin is not doing well in price,people can come up with so many Fud on bitcoin and it will sell, due to the fact that it is bearish. Media and government are the ones that trend the Fud,what do you expect from investors or newbies that don't have the knowledge of bitcoin market analysis? They will panic and sell off or run away from bitcoin because the FUD was spread by people who the citizens listen to. As for the bull run,it will always be good news in the air because these so called government and media are ashamed that bitcoin has proven them wrong and if they come up with any bad news,the citizens will know that they are lairs and will turn deaf ears to them.
 From my own side, all these good news and bad news in the bull and bear markets are there to help bitcoin repeat history,because during the bearish period a lot of investors will panic and sell but some will see it as an advantage to accumulate more coins for themselves, preparing towards the next bull run.
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

When your investment is going well, there is nothing like bad news again. Some of those people complaining or raising bad news are also investors, so if their investments is going up with huge profits they will not talk and as a result of that all we here then is good news, but once the market is in the other side, impatient investors will start having problems within themselves and as a result of that, we do have bad news which is the market is been affected most times.

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April 27, 2023, 12:19:43 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

How to encourage people to buy in a bull market when the price is very high, there is only one answer, everyone needs to talk about bitcoin and say only good things, that the price will be much higher than it is at the moment. I'm not sure, but I think that in a bull market there is also negative news that is used for local corrections, but of course they are much less than in a bear market. It's all part of one big game, if you understand that, then this should not be a problem for you, just try to get the benefit of this knowledge.
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April 27, 2023, 01:39:47 PM
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In my opinion, it is due to some force manipulating the market for profit. Cryptocurrencies are still a market that is manipulated rather than driven by supply and demand.
If we pay attention, every time the bear market comes, we get more bad news and more market crashes than just bad news from the government or the regulatory agencies. In a bull market, I have never seen a crash like Luna or FTX, but it happens more often during a bear season. Almost everything is pre-calculated.

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April 27, 2023, 02:18:50 PM
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
It is certain that there are something like we being played with, but not in all cryptocurrencies. That is why there is what we term manipulation; it is used to deceive us. The bad news that follows the massive dump is the reason why the market price continues to fall. It doesn't mean they're trying to trick us; occasionally the news is delayed. But I agree that there are occurrences like that because there are also manipulations. Those projects who collapsed were frequently the only ones who made it fall because they had enormous holdings. They will sell their tokens if they believe they cannot withstand the pressures of the bear market. This is my view.

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April 27, 2023, 09:58:29 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...
Are you sure that in bear market, there are only bad news?
Are you sure that in bull market, there are only good news?

I bet on differ that in both markets, there are good and bad news. It's just in a bear market, bad news are considered as really bad but in bear market, bad news are easily ignored by people. The same for good news which is considered nothing in a bear market but is something like a nuclear bomb for Bitcoin explosion in a bull market.

If you need examples, see the Bitcoin obituaries
If you fall believing that bear market is all about bad news, then you won’t really see the good news about having bear market. Just like if you are completely carried away by it’s bullish market, you will never realize that there are bad news that are associated in it. That’s why you will never enter the market perfectly and leave the market profitably because you fail to see the opportunities that is right there in front of you when the bearish market appears.

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April 27, 2023, 10:25:11 PM
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I would also compare the fact that there are already a lot of newbies and weak hands in the current industry, and naturally they will react more to negative news and, at the first opportunity, they will try to either sell or fix their deposit. For growth, more money and investors are needed, and for a quick sale is just one click away, maybe that's why negative news affects the market more, at least it seems to me.

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April 27, 2023, 11:01:51 PM
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

That's how the sharks manipulate the market, after they make a profit during the bull season, the down season will come, and that's when the sharks go shopping, and they always want to buy cheap. To me, the crypto market is a free market, so it will be manipulated, and every collapse is planned, and just waiting for the right day, they will trigger it all. Honestly, I would do the same if I had the money because it's the easiest way to make money in this market.
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April 28, 2023, 05:39:42 AM
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I don't have much experience in this forum
but I want to give an opinion that I know...

I think news about bear markets and bull markets will always be there, and they will form naturally
and of course these 2 news have the potential to provide benefits for those who use them for example.

: during a bear market people who are interested can buy btc at a low price and of course have the potential to get big profits.

: during the bull market there was a lot of news that said the bull market was an advantage for bitcoin investors because if there was no news about the bull market of course the profits of btc investors would not get the maximum profit, but with the news, many people bought and in the end, many btc investors maximum profit.
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April 28, 2023, 06:47:36 AM
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
You made a pretty accurate observation.
Many media outlets do unfortunatelly care less about a certain depth of the information they provide in comparison with the strength of the headline and its click-potential.
- It's a matter of simple psychology: When Bitcoin is mooning, reaching new highs never seen before, you can play into the FOMO and greed complex by portraying mistly positive news.
- Vis versa, as soon as there is a 70% drop, just go with the malice-sentiment, fueling the "I told you so, it's all a scam" narrative. Generally negative news sell better/generate more clicks, and just looking at the stats, since much less people are in any way involved in Bitcoin still, you can catch a wider audience with crypto-negative news compared to crypto-positive news.

Get educated about Bitcoin. Check out Andreas Antonopoulos on Youtube. An old but gold talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc744Z9IjhY

Daniel Schmachtenberger on The Meta-Crisis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kBoLVvoqVY&t=288s One of the most important talks about the current state of this planet. Go check it out.
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

I guess you haven't heard of perma-bears? those individuals who are going to destroy bitcoin by creating FUD and negative things specially in a bear market to bring down the price because that's what they enjoy to be honest.

So may say that we are being played, nevertheless the best thing to do is:

a. don't listen to them, just think of it as something part of the market
b. you said that you have been in 2 bear market, so by now you should know that it's better to accumulate in bear market then listening and be emotional everything you hear attacks on bitcoin.

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April 28, 2023, 12:09:28 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

We usually heard bad news circulating the internet during the bear season and have no idea how to stop it.
But we miss seeing how whales benefit from this situation and it happens that they manipulate the market trying to capture panic sellers to sell their coins at cheap prices and then take advantage of the situation. 

I'd see how influential these whales are in the crypto space. It is to understand that whales participation has a huge impact on the market, the pump and dump scenarios, that are all possible here. Unfortunately, we never know exactly what is in their minds and so we need to keep updated and listen to the news as well.

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April 28, 2023, 12:31:22 PM
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In my opinion, it is due to some force manipulating the market for profit. Cryptocurrencies are still a market that is manipulated rather than driven by supply and demand.
If we pay attention, every time the bear market comes, we get more bad news and more market crashes than just bad news from the government or the regulatory agencies. In a bull market, I have never seen a crash like Luna or FTX, but it happens more often during a bear season. Almost everything is pre-calculated.
So true. We cannot close our eyes to the fact that in every field of investment there is always market manipulation. Not only in crypto but also in stock market and others. And we do have to get used to things like market manipulation. Even if we are observant, we can also follow the direction of market movements by taking advantage of any information circulating in the market (market sentiment). Even today many news media do not hesitate to spread fake news. for example, such as the latest news about fake news related to mt.gox's Wallet which is reported to have detected activity. when in fact there is no activity whatsoever in the mt.gox wallet. and many more fake news even this week.

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I can't argue that terrible news just only  occurs in bear markets; it also occur during bull run periods . However, because more people are buying and holding during bull runs, poor news does not always have a significant impact on the market during these times. It is well known that many people in the cryptocurrency industry only hold Bitcoin and other altcoins for a brief period of time before selling them and leaving the market for a while before returning. As a result, these people typically target bull run periods to sell and also target bear market periods to buy.so in this cases it happens that any news against Bitcoin  make many that don't hold for long time sell off all their cryptocurrency investment after their make some profits and create fear in other New investors mind and they also start selling and graduating we witness bear market.

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April 28, 2023, 02:30:34 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

We usually heard bad news circulating the internet during the bear season and have no idea how to stop it.
But we miss seeing how whales benefit from this situation and it happens that they manipulate the market trying to capture panic sellers to sell their coins at cheap prices and then take advantage of the situation. 

I'd see how influential these whales are in the crypto space. It is to understand that whales participation has a huge impact on the market, the pump and dump scenarios, that are all possible here. Unfortunately, we never know exactly what is in their minds and so we need to keep updated and listen to the news as well.
The influence of the whale in the crypto space is still huge and making people panic. They can spread the news that will shock many people and finally, the whale will take advantage of the news. And when we read a negative story, we shouldn't panic and look for other news about what's happening. And if we can find another piece of news that's not true, we can adapt to what will happen to the market. Looking for more news can help us stay calm and use every moment that happens in the market so that it can be useful for us.

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April 28, 2023, 02:40:07 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

We usually heard bad news circulating the internet during the bear season and have no idea how to stop it.
But we miss seeing how whales benefit from this situation and it happens that they manipulate the market trying to capture panic sellers to sell their coins at cheap prices and then take advantage of the situation. 

I'd see how influential these whales are in the crypto space. It is to understand that whales participation has a huge impact on the market, the pump and dump scenarios, that are all possible here. Unfortunately, we never know exactly what is in their minds and so we need to keep updated and listen to the news as well.
The influence of the whale in the crypto space is still huge and making people panic. They can spread the news that will shock many people and finally, the whale will take advantage of the news. And when we read a negative story, we shouldn't panic and look for other news about what's happening. And if we can find another piece of news that's not true, we can adapt to what will happen to the market. Looking for more news can help us stay calm and use every moment that happens in the market so that it can be useful for us.
You are very correct, it's like what John McAfee did with the crypto market when he was still alive, the man so manipulated the market that it got to a point, no body listened or reacted to his tweet like they all used to..
I think Elon musk came and also did the same thing for a while, but maybe he came back to his senses after several popular influencers in the industry started criticising him which I think CZ of binance was one of his critics at the time.

Bitcoin and the entire crypto market is still very young, and as well very fragile and easy to manipulate, I am still looking forward to a time when the Market will become matured enough, to the extent that bad news will have little to no effect on it.

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April 28, 2023, 02:55:58 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

We usually heard bad news circulating the internet during the bear season and have no idea how to stop it.
But we miss seeing how whales benefit from this situation and it happens that they manipulate the market trying to capture panic sellers to sell their coins at cheap prices and then take advantage of the situation. 

I'd see how influential these whales are in the crypto space. It is to understand that whales participation has a huge impact on the market, the pump and dump scenarios, that are all possible here. Unfortunately, we never know exactly what is in their minds and so we need to keep updated and listen to the news as well.
The influence of the whale in the crypto space is still huge and making people panic. They can spread the news that will shock many people and finally, the whale will take advantage of the news. And when we read a negative story, we shouldn't panic and look for other news about what's happening. And if we can find another piece of news that's not true, we can adapt to what will happen to the market. Looking for more news can help us stay calm and use every moment that happens in the market so that it can be useful for us.

Yes, it shouldn't be a one sided story and it's our own responsibility to know more about it rather than believing directly on what we see or read, we never know, that particular news might be a false statement made to make the investors panic especially the weak hands. We should not forget that bitcoin is also a business after all and these crypto whales will always find their own way how gain an advantage, now if we panic and believe right away, then it's safe to say that we already fell into their hands.

We should remember that even the so-called crypto experts aren't really reliable because there's no such thing as crypto experts. We are all the same here, nobody know what happens next because we can only speculate on what would likely be the next situation in the market.

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April 28, 2023, 03:19:55 PM
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I don't have much experience in this forum
but I want to give an opinion that I know...

I think news about bear markets and bull markets will always be there, and they will form naturally
and of course these 2 news have the potential to provide benefits for those who use them for example.

: during a bear market people who are interested can buy btc at a low price and of course have the potential to get big profits.

: during the bull market there was a lot of news that said the bull market was an advantage for bitcoin investors because if there was no news about the bull market of course the profits of btc investors would not get the maximum profit, but with the news, many people bought and in the end, many btc investors maximum profit.
Both pieces of news are good so far regarding the bull/bear market. Obviously, anyone interested in investing in Bitcoin will buy when the price is low and sell when it's high again. However, I believe that some news spreads FUDs which can lead investors to make wrong decisions such as selling their Bitcoin at a loss due to fear of losing more.

Therefore, people should be careful of such news and should confirm sources before making any decisions that they may regret later.
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April 28, 2023, 03:25:33 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

If anything, it is the other way around. When there is a bear market, you hear more of the negative news because it affects the price negatively, and if there is any positive news it tends to be minimised or overshadowed by the negative news. In the bull market it is the other way around.

There is also some confirmation bias. In the bear market people are pessimistic and when they hear negative news, they get more pessimistic and sell, and the other way around.

... I am still looking forward to a time when the Market will become matured enough, to the extent that bad news will have little to no effect on it.

I don't think that will ever come. That it affects less because the market is more volatile, yes, but think that news also moves the stock market, which is hundreds of years old.

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April 28, 2023, 03:26:30 PM
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

I mean on the Bull Run we also have some bad news I think and that cost a big correction or drop in the market price of Bitcoin. Yes for sure if the market price of Bitcoin was pumping for example it pump up to 50,000$ for sure we are going to see a lot of articles that are positive saying that Bitcoin will skyrocket etc. because that would just make sense you would really see that article if the market price was around 3000$ because no one would believed it at that point. Also, speculations from investors or famous people come out when the market price continues to increase.

When the market price skyrockets we could actually expect a lot of manipulation on the market so for sure we see positive articles, but for sure we will also see negative news because that could easily create opportunity when the market price drop, it could easily create panic and investors might sell their holding.

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April 28, 2023, 03:43:52 PM
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It may appear as though we are being played. But the reality is that, it might not really be true.
Naturally, bad news affects everything negatively, not just crypto.
Trades are been done by humans and they have emotions and this emotions have a lot of influence on the market.

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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
Not always the news but also with the audience. How you would react will simply reflect to your investment decision. Also, it is normal to hear bad news regarding this industry during bearish trend simply because expectations are broken such as higher market price but ending up with a huge dump. Demand is the bottomline and happened to be affected and determined by many factors in the first place, which should be an enough reason to say that we don't have the control over crypto prices. Same thing goes during uptrend. This is where FOMOs occur and plays a key role in this industry. If you would be caught offguard by the market behavior because of those news, a consequence would for sure, occur.

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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

I guess you haven't heard of perma-bears? those individuals who are going to destroy bitcoin by creating FUD and negative things specially in a bear market to bring down the price because that's what they enjoy to be honest.

Well there is a counter to these perma-bears, and obviously, it is the perma-bulls.  This even out the situation but the strength of its influence depends on the market season.  If the market is bullish, obviously perma-bears have the upper hand and vice versa when the market is bearish.

So may say that we are being played, nevertheless the best thing to do is:

a. don't listen to them, just think of it as something part of the market
b. you said that you have been in 2 bear market, so by now you should know that it's better to accumulate in bear market then listening and be emotional everything you hear attacks on bitcoin.

It is obvious that these two parties wanted to dominate the market and will do their best to influence it.  The battle of these two dominant parties always ends up with the minnows being played according to their schemes. So yeah I agree with you that we should be knowledgeable  about the market and never let these people play with our emotion.
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FUDs are temporary. It does have some influence over the market, but it doesn't stay for long. And if those are fake news, then they will be uncovered soon and the influence will be gone. Why only in bear market? Because when people are already in fear, you just need a little bit more to ignite that to a higher level. You need a little bit of gasoline to make a fire burn high. But you can't start a fire with only just gasoline when there isn't any to start with.

This is all part of human psychology. This won't work when the market is in a bull run because only a few will trust those schemes. I have not been in crypto for that long, too. But this is what I think. Psychology is my major. So could tell from knowledge and a bit of experience.
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I have noticed that the media tends to remain silent when the market is experiencing a huge bull run. However, they tend to spread negative news that can affect Bitcoin's value when we are in a bear market. Some of this news could be FUD and lack credible sources.

The media's goal is to make investors stressed and worried about Bitcoin's situation. It's important not to fall for their manipulations and to stay strong and believe in Bitcoin. Sooner or later, Bitcoin's value will likely grow a lot in the future and HOLDERS will be millionairesIf they don't lose their seed phrase/private keys.
That’s how they played the game. But the most important is, you make your own game by not falling on their own trap. Well actually, bitcoin was always been attacked by negative news regardless if the market is bearish or bullish. It’s just that people were mostly affected by negativity when the market is not at its best condition, and just bite what the media says and end us regretting their decision. Even when the market is bullish, the negative news are there but since the market is so profitable at that time, people will ignore those negative news that are only there just to get them destructed from their market’s focus.
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In my opinion, it is due to some force manipulating the market for profit. Cryptocurrencies are still a market that is manipulated rather than driven by supply and demand.
If we pay attention, every time the bear market comes, we get more bad news and more market crashes than just bad news from the government or the regulatory agencies. In a bull market, I have never seen a crash like Luna or FTX, but it happens more often during a bear season. Almost everything is pre-calculated.
But, is there any market that flows naturally? I guess there's isn't. Each market has their own set of manipulations. Some dislikes it but I think it makes the game more challenging and we can sometimes use the changes in our side to gain an advantage. If there are bad news during a bear market, then fine.

The price will drop more so we can also buy more. There is no need to panic because manipulators are also the ones that will pump it when most of the weak hands have exited. There must be a bad news too in a bull run but we hardly notice it because everyone is focusing on the bull run. Those bad news might be natural and isn't created by the manipulators.

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I am convinced that governments will eventually embrace all crypto, that is, after they have created their own digital dollars and have the new system implemented. They have to be able to move onto the next digital frontier and I think that they understand that if they are last to jump in the race you lose! They will always alter the news one way or the other, whatever works best for their interests. Bitcoin definitely doesn't have any governments best interest so they will always try and suppress the truth. You just have to sort through the BS with some truth vision googles.  Cool

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It is how the media wants to approach the situation. Naturally, the media will sell all of its news aggressively during bear markets and profit from it. Additionally, they would avoid speaking out during bull runs because their news wouldn't sell. It's how they generate money, and they are paid to push those stories aggressively when the circumstances support what they're writing about. They have been using this strategy frequently for years, long before cryptocurrency even existed.
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By keeping your bitcoin for lengthy time you will be able to achieve your desired aims because in a single year we cannot achieve the things that we wants. As you talk about the news so most people spread the fake news which have negative impact on the price of bitcoin.

Negative news arises only when there occurs pumps in bitcoin price so whenever the price rises most of the countries spread fake news about bitcoin dumping so people sell their bitcoin bitcoin some people don't want to make investment during harsh condition so it effect the worth of bitcoin. The ability to buy and sell also make the increase and decrease of price so Fluctuations occurs as a result of different news.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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In the crypto market, it's likely that some bad news, such as regulatory crackdowns or negative public sentiment, can contribute to downward price movements and the onset of bear markets. Conversely, positive news, such as adoption by major institutions or favorable regulatory developments, can contribute to upward price movements and bull markets. While it can be tempting to get caught up in the hype and fear of the market, it's important to remain level-headed and make informed decisions based on your own goals.

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April 29, 2023, 06:58:05 PM
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I think bad news sells better than positive news. Most of this negative news aren't accurate or correct. That notwithstanding, cryptocurrencies are Hot Topics and the media will want to leverage this to sell.
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It is how the media wants to approach the situation. Naturally, the media will sell all of its news aggressively during bear markets and profit from it. Additionally, they would avoid speaking out during bull runs because their news wouldn't sell. It's how they generate money, and they are paid to push those stories aggressively when the circumstances support what they're writing about. They have been using this strategy frequently for years, long before cryptocurrency even existed.


Media keeps feeding information to people according to what is hot and what is in trend.  For example, Media will give priority to reporting news that will have a bearish effect during a bear market since bringing up that news will match the sentiment of the market and bullish news when it is a bull market.  News oftentimes chooses factors that will add more fire to the recent market sentiment.  Aside from that many news outlets had been bought by people who wanted to influence the trend of the market.  By synchronizing the released of the same news over and over again, manipulators will try to control the emotion and sentiments of the market according to what they wanted.
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April 29, 2023, 08:09:06 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Well, I'm not someone you can call an expert or even an OG about these cryptocurrencies but I'm quite confident enough to say that it depends how you see things in your own perspective. Like believing about bad news are always associated in bearish market while the positive news are always in the bullish season, it is not really like that my friend, every season has their own reason and why it exists. In my perspective, both bear and bull season does have their own advantage and disadvantages but I'm more focused on the advantages as that is how I accumulate and earn.

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April 30, 2023, 02:10:09 AM
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In my opinion, it is due to some force manipulating the market for profit. Cryptocurrencies are still a market that is manipulated rather than driven by supply and demand.
If we pay attention, every time the bear market comes, we get more bad news and more market crashes than just bad news from the government or the regulatory agencies. In a bull market, I have never seen a crash like Luna or FTX, but it happens more often during a bear season. Almost everything is pre-calculated.
So true. We cannot close our eyes to the fact that in every field of investment there is always market manipulation. Not only in crypto but also in stock market and others. And we do have to get used to things like market manipulation.

I agree with you that all financial markets are manipulated, but cryptocurrencies are more special than the rest. Since this is a new, free and unregulated market, it is more susceptible to manipulation than other markets. Many still believe that the market operates entirely according to supply and demand. But I'll be more realistic, crypto is still more manipulative, and it's not going away anytime soon as long as we're still free.

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April 30, 2023, 02:43:03 AM
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You are very correct, it's like what John McAfee did with the crypto market when he was still alive, the man so manipulated the market that it got to a point, no body listened or reacted to his tweet like they all used to..
I think Elon musk came and also did the same thing for a while, but maybe he came back to his senses after several popular influencers in the industry started criticising him which I think CZ of binance was one of his critics at the time.

Bitcoin and the entire crypto market is still very young, and as well very fragile and easy to manipulate, I am still looking forward to a time when the Market will become matured enough, to the extent that bad news will have little to no effect on it.
That is a real example that we have seen before, so if Elon later reports something, we don't need to panic or overreact so we can keep abreast of the situations and conditions that are happening in the market. And there will be others who will be like Elon or McAfee in spreading contradictory news that can make people panic.

But I remain confident that it won't affect the crypto market forever because there will be times for the crypto market to get even better. And that's when we can return to the market by taking the profits we want. The important thing is that we don't panic and stay calm in the face of everything that happens so that we can adapt well.

Yes, it shouldn't be a one sided story and it's our own responsibility to know more about it rather than believing directly on what we see or read, we never know, that particular news might be a false statement made to make the investors panic especially the weak hands. We should not forget that bitcoin is also a business after all and these crypto whales will always find their own way how gain an advantage, now if we panic and believe right away, then it's safe to say that we already fell into their hands.

We should remember that even the so-called crypto experts aren't really reliable because there's no such thing as crypto experts. We are all the same here, nobody know what happens next because we can only speculate on what would likely be the next situation in the market.
It is difficult to say someone is a crypto expert because no one has accurate predictions or analysis. They analyze the state of the market based on what has happened before so they can decide what will happen. And unfortunately, they immediately spread it to the public, which triggers the public to panic, especially people who don't own or don't analyze the situation and just follow the suggestions of people like that.

This is where ordinary people must be wise when encountering news like that and not act immediately without analyzing it. We must find out what really happened so that we are not trapped by circumstances that we do not know and can also make decisions based on the circumstances that occur.

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April 30, 2023, 03:00:14 AM
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I think bad news sells better than positive news. Most of this negative news aren't accurate or correct. That notwithstanding, cryptocurrencies are Hot Topics and the media will want to leverage this to sell.

But I noticed more that those bad news affect the market a lot than good news because people are panic selling and other instances happen. That is, it affects a lot, but in Forex, all of the news is significant, which is why people really read a lot of news. In cryptocurrency, there are only instances, but still, it affects a lot in the market.
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
I always enjoy whenever FUD news comes out because for me it is profitable and we can use it to buy. You have to stop seeing the negative news that continues and deliberately appears. Bitcoin has improved a lot from its initial journey to the present and bearish and bullish market conditions can never be separated in its journey.
 
The speed of information amidst the rapid pace of technology is the problem and the source of good and bad news about bitcoin will continue to be the mainstay of breaking news. If you think you are being played, why not try to make a profit from each of these games.

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April 30, 2023, 05:38:11 AM
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I think bad news sells better than positive news. Most of this negative news aren't accurate or correct. That notwithstanding, cryptocurrencies are Hot Topics and the media will want to leverage this to sell.

True. We always run after negative things. Those are interesting to hear, to read, to watch. That's how we take negative things. Not only about Cryptocurrency or Bitcoin. People are interested in all kinds of negative things. People love to hear more about scandals rather than anyone's success stories. That's how media make money.

I always enjoy whenever FUD news comes out because for me it is profitable and we can use it to buy. You have to stop seeing the negative news that continues and deliberately appears. Bitcoin has improved a lot from its initial journey to the present and bearish and bullish market conditions can never be separated in its journey.

FUD is not always profitable for everyone. You may take the chance and buy back Bitcoin. But, most newbies fear the bear market. Some of them use exchanges to hold their coins and even use stop loss to avoid losing too much. No matter how many times others scream not to hold your coins in an exchange, people still do this and use stop loss so they don't lose too much. We know FUD may create a temporary bear market, and the Bitcoin market will pull back over time. Still, FUD affects the market. Moreover, it makes us lose money.
 

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it's like what John McAfee did with the crypto market when he was still alive, the man so manipulated the market that it got to a point, no body listened or reacted to his tweet like they all used to..
I think Elon musk came and also did the same thing for a while, but maybe he came back to his senses after several popular influencers in the industry started criticising him which I think CZ of binance was one of his critics at the time.

Bitcoin and the entire crypto market is still very young, and as well very fragile and easy to manipulate, I am still looking forward to a time when the Market will become matured enough, to the extent that bad news will have little to no effect on it.
Bitcoin or any cryptocurrency, the volatility in them is not because they are young and fragile, but it's their nature and natures don't change, even if they do, they don't change totally but maybe a little bit. Also, how will any of the cryptocurrencies, even Bitcoin, be profitable if they become stable after they are mature?

Good news and bad news, they both will always have their effects on the market and that is good for us holders or traders since that provides us with opportunities to get profit out of our investments and it also gives us opportunities to make investments in the first place.

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April 30, 2023, 01:55:12 PM
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It's not that bad news come in bear market but in reality the bad news are the reason why we see price dips and opposite is when there are all positive aspects we see lot of investments both retail and institutions leading to bull run phase which is we need to understand.The more big pumps come when there is more good news at that time like some big company accepting it or regulations for it but if we say there is timing for it then it's not correct.

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Well, I have noticed that media news or industry are completely controlled by whales, it means the bad news is widespread by a purpose. In addition to that, you should not be affected by this endless drama and negativity in social media. Unfortunately, this circle has no end, the more you follow and believe them, the more troubles you face  and that would definitely affect on your decisions. Occasionally we have to isolate ourselves from media news specifically the ones who usually post fake and negative news plus predictions and follow only the trusted ones.
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I would also compare the fact that there are already a lot of newbies and weak hands in the current industry, and naturally they will react more to negative news and, at the first opportunity, they will try to either sell or fix their deposit. For growth, more money and investors are needed, and for a quick sale is just one click away, maybe that's why negative news affects the market more, at least it seems to me.
I have to agree with this. Newbies are easily affected with negative news that’s why they tend to see the whole bearish market as full of negativity because of its prices dropping down and just easily sell their coins not knowing that it could be a big opportunity instead to enter the market and invest on the potential coins while the market prices are very cheap. While they always thought for bullish market as one that is full of positive news.

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April 30, 2023, 09:11:25 PM
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Are we been played? Are thes people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
Indeed, during bear market, there will be always big FUD that start crypto market to drop again and again. We cannot ensure it. But we know that sometimes, the cycle is the cycle itself where sometimes it seems like to be manipulated. But aside from that, these may be part of the ways to cause crypto market having the cycle of bearish and bullish.
Whatever the reason, the most improtant thing is that we have understood the cycle of beaarish and bullish. so, we must understand how to optimize each cycle very otpimally. Therefore we wil not feel any regret anymore after each era is ended and changing to another one.

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it's like what John McAfee did with the crypto market when he was still alive, the man so manipulated the market that it got to a point, no body listened or reacted to his tweet like they all used to..
I think Elon musk came and also did the same thing for a while, but maybe he came back to his senses after several popular influencers in the industry started criticising him which I think CZ of binance was one of his critics at the time.

Bitcoin and the entire crypto market is still very young, and as well very fragile and easy to manipulate, I am still looking forward to a time when the Market will become matured enough, to the extent that bad news will have little to no effect on it.
Bitcoin or any cryptocurrency, the volatility in them is not because they are young and fragile, but it's their nature and natures don't change, even if they do, they don't change totally but maybe a little bit. Also, how will any of the cryptocurrencies, even Bitcoin, be profitable if they become stable after they are mature?

Good news and bad news, they both will always have their effects on the market and that is good for us holders or traders since that provides us with opportunities to get profit out of our investments and it also gives us opportunities to make investments in the first place.

Indeed, the way the crypto works makes it more vulnerable to volatility. It is worth noting that the news that we get related on cryptocurrencies is sometimes has direct impact on the crypto wherein a positive news often leads to positive movement of the market. But, this is not always the case since it is always predictable since there are different levels of impacts of a certain news. Regardless, I think that every news has its effects so we should learn to see its impact and really know what is going on in the economy so that we can make wise decisions regarding our investments.
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
We do have different impressions when it comes to things on which it would really be just that normal that news would really be basing up on the current trend that we are into.It would really be just a normal

approach or things to happen that good news would really pop out on a bull market just to make things even more higher in terms of value not only on Bitcoin but in most coins in the market but of course it would really be just that selected basing up on the projects which are really that have the potential or does have the utility or use case but somewhat there are still some shit coins which
are really that been pumped despite of being shit.

If you do have this kind of belief in mind then it would be better that you should really go with the flow and less minding about those casual happenings basing up on the trend.
This is how this market would behave on which it would really be that normal on what would be the approach you would be applying. Go with the waves and play with
it because if you do counter up the trend, it would really be resulting into losses.

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FUD is not always profitable for everyone. You may take the chance and buy back Bitcoin. But, most newbies fear the bear market. Some of them use exchanges to hold their coins and even use stop loss to avoid losing too much. No matter how many times others scream not to hold your coins in an exchange, people still do this and use stop loss so they don't lose too much. We know FUD may create a temporary bear market, and the Bitcoin market will pull back over time. Still, FUD affects the market. Moreover, it makes us lose money.
It is unprofitable in the selling stage because the price has decreased, but it is very profitable to buy because the price is slightly cheaper, is that the person who invests only always sees an opportunity to sell. Of course not, because some of us are also waiting for a downward moment to make purchases and most of the time when FUD starts to develop the price is corrected again and that's where the opportunities we can take advantage of. If people are only good at seeing opportunities to sell, how can their assets increase, because they have never learned to analyze declining conditions caused by a number of things.

Regarding this exchange it is important to consider so that something undesirable does not happen when the exchange is problematic, if they intend to minimize risks then they must avoid centralized exchange and should choose to store in a safe wallet. If the reason is because panic wants to decide on stop loss, so deciding to store assets in the exchange is a silly reason. Bitcoin is the best asset in the long run and why should it panic?

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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

Bad news also happen during bull market but they are quickly eaten up because the people do not care about it when they believe that the market is in a bull. It is the same when good news comes out during the bear market but people are scared to buy during the period. A few people buying during bear season will hardly create any impact to change the direction just like a few people selling during a bull market will note make any impact also. Whenever this things happen we can not say that there are people toying with us in crypto. The market is a very big one and can not be easily toyed with.
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You are right, there is no need to be scared of what you are doing. 
 
The problem is that we are not going to be able to get out of the bear market anytime soon. 
 
We are going to have to wait for the bull market to come and that is the time to buy and sell. 
 
So, in my opinion, we should be prepared for the worst and not be afraid of what we are doing.
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
We do have different impressions when it comes to things on which it would really be just that normal that news would really be basing up on the current trend that we are into.It would really be just a normal

approach or things to happen that good news would really pop out on a bull market just to make things even more higher in terms of value not only on Bitcoin but in most coins in the market but of course it would really be just that selected basing up on the projects which are really that have the potential or does have the utility or use case but somewhat there are still some shit coins which
are really that been pumped despite of being shit.

If you do have this kind of belief in mind then it would be better that you should really go with the flow and less minding about those casual happenings basing up on the trend.
This is how this market would behave on which it would really be that normal on what would be the approach you would be applying. Go with the waves and play with
it because if you do counter up the trend, it would really be resulting into losses.
My strategy really depends on the market trends and market sentiment, the idea is simple: get a lot of positions when the market is bullish/market sentiment is good and sell once the market turns into bearish or the sentiment for the long term is bad. Do my strategy works? Yes I'm doing it for 5 years now and we all know that there is always market cycle so my strategy depends on the current trend of the market. Right now the market sentiment for short term is bad so we may see that the price may go down in these succeeding days and weeks so my current decision is to wait for the retracement and get a lot of positions because the sentiment for the long time frame is still bullish.

The mistakes of some bitcoin investor and traders is they think that there is just one strategy in order to make profit in buying and selling bitcoin without knowing that there is unlimited pattern and combination that they can do to make money. One of it is what I do is I'll just ride the trend, if the market is bearish then it is better if you will short and sell it once the chart shows signs of streght creating highers and higher lows but if the price is bullish do not ever fight the trend and you must ride it by doing long because the price will keep appreciating if you do that and your btc value will also increase.
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The mistakes of some bitcoin investor and traders is they think that there is just one strategy in order to make profit in buying and selling bitcoin without knowing that there is unlimited pattern and combination that they can do to make money. One of it is what I do is I'll just ride the trend, if the market is bearish then it is better if you will short and sell it once the chart shows signs of streght creating highers and higher lows but if the price is bullish do not ever fight the trend and you must ride it by doing long because the price will keep appreciating if you do that and your btc value will also increase.
You are now talking about trading, but this is not interesting for investors, or rather, they simply do not want to spend their time on it, they gain a position at some point and then simply wait for their goal, wait for the exit point to take profits.

Following the trend is a good strategy and you can make good profits if you spot a trend change correctly, but it is just one of many ingredients for successful trading.
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May 02, 2023, 12:47:45 PM
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The mistakes of some bitcoin investor and traders is they think that there is just one strategy in order to make profit in buying and selling bitcoin without knowing that there is unlimited pattern and combination that they can do to make money. One of it is what I do is I'll just ride the trend, if the market is bearish then it is better if you will short and sell it once the chart shows signs of streght creating highers and higher lows but if the price is bullish do not ever fight the trend and you must ride it by doing long because the price will keep appreciating if you do that and your btc value will also increase.
You are now talking about trading, but this is not interesting for investors, or rather, they simply do not want to spend their time on it, they gain a position at some point and then simply wait for their goal, wait for the exit point to take profits.

Following the trend is a good strategy and you can make good profits if you spot a trend change correctly, but it is just one of many ingredients for successful trading.
Bitcoin will always be profitable in one way or another and it all comes down to convenience, expertise, and the need to do so. And most investors choose bitcoin for the long term because it is an ideal option and definitely profitable, including me who did, because most do not like it because of its volatility but for the long term bitcoin always gives a good return.
and trend
what happened to bitcoin was also one of their strategies to collect and store it for the long term and for bigger profits.
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Bitcoin will always be profitable in one way or another and it all comes down to convenience, expertise, and the need to do so. And most investors choose bitcoin for the long term because it is an ideal option and definitely profitable, including me who did, because most do not like it because of its volatility but for the long term bitcoin always gives a good return.
and trend
what happened to bitcoin was also one of their strategies to collect and store it for the long term and for bigger profits.
I'm not sure 'collecting and storing' Bitcoin is really a 'strategy' so much as it is just...buying and holding. But hey, if it works for you, more power to you.
Hey, it's just the best thing to do to avoid the negative news factor that makes us panic when we're in a bear market, and what strength that refers to. Because this method only requires patience and belief that the price will rise again according to the wishes or targets that have been set.
However, this method only applies to those who do not only rely on income in this industry, if they only rely on it. The stories will be different and require special skills, especially in analyzing the whole in order to be profitable.
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May 02, 2023, 02:28:32 PM
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You are right, there is no need to be scared of what you are doing. 
 
The problem is that we are not going to be able to get out of the bear market anytime soon. 
 
We are going to have to wait for the bull market to come and that is the time to buy and sell. 
 
So, in my opinion, we should be prepared for the worst and not be afraid of what we are doing.
So wrong mate, a bull market can never be a good time to buy unless the coin you want to buy just launched on the same day, a bullish market favors those who have bought some coins in a bear market, also there is not much worse left that we haven't seen before, the worst case scenario is Bitcoin going down to maybe 16,000$ again and that should be a good time to buy instead of panicking or fearing that something bad could still happen.

This is how people lose good opportunities in the market, the fear of seeing the market crumbling down right in front of them, bear markets are where the real money are made.

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It is unprofitable in the selling stage because the price has decreased, but it is very profitable to buy because the price is slightly cheaper, is that the person who invests only always sees an opportunity to sell. Of course not, because some of us are also waiting for a downward moment to make purchases and most of the time when FUD starts to develop the price is corrected again and that's where the opportunities we can take advantage of. If people are only good at seeing opportunities to sell, how can their assets increase, because they have never learned to analyze declining conditions caused by a number of things.

This is where traders liquidate their money. Also, This is when traders make big money. It depends on your actions. If you are holding Bitcoin and the current market is lower than your buying price, Of course, you won't feel good. You can indeed buy more, so your average price gets slightly lower. That's how DCA works. But everyone doesn't do that, and everyone doesn't undersdoesn't understand the the market pattern. 10% or 15% changes in a single day which we have seen multiple times. Well, People like it when market moves up trend and their portfolio increase by 10-15%. But, it's hard for them to accept the lose. I won't say it's a lose until they sell it.

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May 02, 2023, 05:13:50 PM
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The cryptocurrency market can be influenced by a variety of factors, including news and sentiment. In a bear market, negative news or events can contribute to a decrease in price, while in a bull market, positive news or events can contribute to an increase in price. It's important to stay informed and make decisions based on your own research and analysis, rather than being swayed by hype or fear. As with any investment, it's important to manage risk and invest wisely in any market, whether bullish or bearish.
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The cryptocurrency market can be influenced by a variety of factors, including news and sentiment. In a bear market, negative news or events can contribute to a decrease in price, while in a bull market, positive news or events can contribute to an increase in price. It's important to stay informed and make decisions based on your own research and analysis, rather than being swayed by hype or fear. As with any investment, it's important to manage risk and invest wisely in any market, whether bullish or bearish.
well in general what you say is true and I think most people also understand this. Maybe some beginners don't understand the importance of analyzing market sentiment and market fundamentals. even though everything is like a price driving machine. because in fact humans are very easy to manipulate with news that affects the psychology of humans themselves. that's why the power of news in price movements in the market is really very strong. and what the OP wants to ask is about why bad news always appears more in a bearish market and vice versa about a bull market.

but I personally currently have the assumption that a bearish market also occurs because there is a lot of negative news. so that the more negative or fud news, that's when the market will be faster to enter into a bearish market.

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May 02, 2023, 06:37:03 PM
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

Is there a graph which shows BTC price with relation to news articles?
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May 02, 2023, 08:58:25 PM
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
The market has only one bearish market condition, one bullish, and then a market correction. But it does not mean that negative news only fall on bearish season, all the market conditions have its fair share of positive and negative news. But most likely, since everything in bearish market are going down, particularly the crypto prices, then you consider it a negative news. No, you were wrong in there. It’s actually a perfect start for newbies to enter the market to maximize buying on these cheap coins and hold them for years until they decide to sell when bullish market sets in.
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May 02, 2023, 10:01:42 PM
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What I can say is that the crypto space experiences bad news more frequently during bear markets than during bull markets because of how long bear markets last compared to bull markets (bear markets last for a long time while bull runs last for a short time).

What I'm trying to imply is that bad news will be seen more readily and have a greater impact on the crypto market during the bear season than it does during the bull run, when bitcoin is going through a halving season.

The positive news of the halving season will outweigh the bad news, preventing it from spreading too quickly and interfering with the bull season more than when in the bear market that nothing special is happening order than bear season

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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
Short answer: yes, absolutely yes.

Don't forget that there are very few bitcoins in this world and everybody wants them, and how do they want them? At the lowest price of course! It just can't be a coincidence that during bear markets there are bad news after bad news, many of those clearly made up. I've been in this world since 2016, every few months the market would go down because "China is banning bitcoin", they probably banned it 400 times if you listen to the news, and yet people every single time would fall for it and sell their bitcoins. If you believe in bitcoin just don't pay attention to all the FUD, sometimes it's true, the majority of times is not.

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May 02, 2023, 11:27:35 PM
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Is there a graph which shows BTC price with relation to news articles?
None but it's more of the reaction and action of the graph/chart that we've got for Bitcoin. It's like an understanding that when there's some bad news and the market moves negatively, that's how it goes and sums up that the movement is caused by the news that has been out recently.
This is just a conclusion that most of us sees that whenever a news it published and it has come from someone known in the community or even in the economy, traders, retail and institutional are reacting quickly because they capitalize to the news and the situation for them to take advantage of it.

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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
Short answer: yes, absolutely yes.

Don't forget that there are very few bitcoins in this world and everybody wants them, and how do they want them? At the lowest price of course! It just can't be a coincidence that during bear markets there are bad news after bad news, many of those clearly made up. I've been in this world since 2016, every few months the market would go down because "China is banning bitcoin", they probably banned it 400 times if you listen to the news, and yet people every single time would fall for it and sell their bitcoins. If you believe in bitcoin just don't pay attention to all the FUD, sometimes it's true, the majority of times is not.
There is only limited supplies of bitcoin in this world that is also why people are giving those things high appreciation and value. I just can't believe that they'd actually ban all the miners all over China, and they need to find a way to work on their mining since it is not recognized by the government.

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May 04, 2023, 06:54:59 AM
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This is where traders liquidate their money. Also, This is when traders make big money. It depends on your actions. If you are holding Bitcoin and the current market is lower than your buying price, Of course, you won't feel good. You can indeed buy more, so your average price gets slightly lower. That's how DCA works.
When the bitcoin price is lower than the purchase price, we just have to wait for the next price increase. In my opinion, whether an investment is safe or not is not seen from the percentage value of the daily, monthly or yearly price increase, but we understand the investment as a whole and at certain moments we know how to make a profit and that is its function. It is these price fluctuations that make people see opportunities in bitcoin investing and should avoid the risk of panic-induced losses, because if they act correctly, I guarantee they will never lose money on bitcoin investments and I think you know that.

The purchase options using DCA may differ depending on how far people can take the appropriate funding approach. Let's say $ 50 for one week and if it's done regularly, you can calculate how many bitcoins they can collect each year. Analytical intelligence and knowing how to see opportunities are parts that need to be learned and experience will bring people to these abilities.

But everyone doesn't do that, and everyone doesn't undersdoesn't understand the the market pattern. 10% or 15% changes in a single day which we have seen multiple times. Well, People like it when market moves up trend and their portfolio increase by 10-15%. But, it's hard for them to accept the lose. I won't say it's a lose until they sell it.
If from the start we often hear that investment cannot be forced without knowledge, then from there we already understand what we must do before investing. There is no defeat in bitcoin investment, if they know the best way and know what to do when bitcoin experiences a severe correction.

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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
Short answer: yes, absolutely yes.

Don't forget that there are very few bitcoins in this world and everybody wants them, and how do they want them? At the lowest price of course! It just can't be a coincidence that during bear markets there are bad news after bad news, many of those clearly made up. I've been in this world since 2016, every few months the market would go down because "China is banning bitcoin", they probably banned it 400 times if you listen to the news, and yet people every single time would fall for it and sell their bitcoins. If you believe in bitcoin just don't pay attention to all the FUD, sometimes it's true, the majority of times is not.
Probably, that’s how the market works. If we can’t stay and take advantage of every bad news that will make the bitcoin price drops, then how are we supposed to accumulate bitcoin in the first place? Actually, bad news are not only happening during bearish market, it’s also visible when the market is bullish, but people don’t actually care about it as they are more concern on how to sell at profits when every coin in the market is increasing its value and price. And bullish market creates the best selling point, so negative news will never be entertained anyway.

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Good news doesn't come all the time, maybe it's just whales playing games. To see a big change in Bitcoin it takes years of market expansion. Of course during bear markets investors will sell hard and make money.It's not true that all the bad news about Bitcoin disappears. Because we see all the news when we look at history.2024 will surely show Bitcoin good things.

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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...


There is no clear evidence or consensus to suggest that bad news is intentionally released during bear markets to manipulate the price of Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency. While it's certainly possible that some individuals or organizations may seek to take advantage of market fluctuations to make a profit, it's difficult to determine the motives behind market movements or specific news events.

In many cases, market cycles and investor behavior can be driven by a wide range of factors, including economic conditions, geopolitical events, regulatory developments, and even social media sentiment. During bear markets, investors may be more cautious and risk-averse, which can amplify the impact of negative news or events. Conversely, during bull markets, investors may be more optimistic and willing to take on risk, which can lead to increased demand and upward price movements.

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There are some news media that always promote the negative aspects of Bitcoin. For some reason, if something bad happens in the Bitcoin market, they repeatedly highlight that negative event in front of everyone. One such news in our country was published by a news media where they headlined the news "Proletarians Invest in Bitcoin". 

That is, the media wants to convince everyone that those who invest in Bitcoin will be proletarians. Since it was in their headline, I went to read the news with great interest when they wrote in detail about a person who sold his house and invested in Bitcoin but lost all his wealth because he did not invest at the right time. Maybe it's because of that person's mistake but many people have achieved success never seen that news media shared someone's success story. This is the current state of the media, especially regarding Bitcoin.

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May 04, 2023, 09:55:47 AM
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

This is just the nature of the market for you during Bull and the Bear market run , Market sentiment and speculations here and there, people creating FUDs around, while others are taking advantage of those times. One thing we should do is just to understand the nature of the market and how the market cycle works, once you do that ,I don't think you would be toyed around with all the happenings during Bull and bear market period. Market is like a game only those that understood it will win the game. The bottom line is that, to succeed be greedy when others are fearful and fearful when others are greedy.

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May 04, 2023, 04:44:51 PM
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This should be expected because it natural for people to be more interested in Bitcoin during it's up-trends and vanish during its down-trend, take for instance when a man becomes Rich we see many people around him either seeking for help or being with him for whatsoever personal motives they feel they can achieve at this time but when this same Rich man becomes poor you don't see much people around him even in rare case you even meet people that never benefit from him when he was rich, this is applicable to Bitcoin, when Bitcoin gains value which is the bullish market more investors is expected, while when it market value shrinks which is during bearish period it loses investment interest, but to me I see the bearish period as an advantage since Bitcoin has come to stay.

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May 04, 2023, 08:01:25 PM
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
The market has only one bearish market condition, one bullish, and then a market correction. But it does not mean that negative news only fall on bearish season, all the market conditions have its fair share of positive and negative news. But most likely, since everything in bearish market are going down, particularly the crypto prices, then you consider it a negative news. No, you were wrong in there. It’s actually a perfect start for newbies to enter the market to maximize buying on these cheap coins and hold them for years until they decide to sell when bullish market sets in.

I agree. Bullish season surely have its own negative effect towards investors especially the ones who cannot really afford most of the coins in the market because in this particular season, prices are surging and there are even other coins that are having another ATH. So, that is quite expensive enough for us to buy during that time, even buying a fraction of it seems expensive enough. While for bear market, buying coins in this time are much advisable because it is cheap but the trouble is, you have to filter which coins that got more chances to explode when the bull comes back again.

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May 04, 2023, 09:17:39 PM
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It's how the media wants to play the game. Of course, during bear markets, the media will sell all its news hard and make money off it. And during the bull runs, they would stay silent as possible because their news wouldn't be bought anyway. It's how they make money, and for sure they are paid to peddle those news hard when the situation aligns to whatever they're reporting. It's a common tactic they've been doing for years way before crypto is around.
Let’s just get used to it. As long as you won’t fall in any of their traps, then you won’t be taken advantage of. Just know that creating FUDs are their only way of sustaining their income, that’s why we have to deal only with facts and get rid of FUDs. And I also think that negative news will remain useless, unless we start believing on it. Even in bullish season there are still negative news that will arise, but as long as it won’t stop the market from being bullish, then we should never mind it too.

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May 05, 2023, 08:29:52 AM
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When the bitcoin price is lower than the purchase price, we just have to wait for the next price increase.
This applies when you take Bitcoin as a short Investment plan and want to quit the market after making a profit. I am not saying that I don't consider it an investment. But, I'd instead consider it savings where I care less about the market price. Because I believe Bitcoin will gain massive ROI in the long run. If Bitcoin gives me a good return in the future, I will be happy to take it. But I won't be sad If Bitcoin doesn't give me a good profit Because, as I said before, I'd instead consider it a savings wallet.

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This applies when you want to hold it for a long time. Bitcoin will continue to replace its ATH in the long run. No matter what your buying price is. You must be patient and hold tight until you see another ATH or a higher price than your buying price. I lost a lot in Bitcoin in the last couple of years, making mistakes that a newbie does. But I learned a lot since then.

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May 05, 2023, 09:26:04 AM
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market, and I couldn't take advantage of one because of the condition that I was into at the time, but I heard about every good and bad things about crypto.

But I am curious about something and I will like to ask you old Bitcoin OG on here .

Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.
Short answer: yes, absolutely yes.

Don't forget that there are very few bitcoins in this world and everybody wants them, and how do they want them? At the lowest price of course! It just can't be a coincidence that during bear markets there are bad news after bad news, many of those clearly made up. I've been in this world since 2016, every few months the market would go down because "China is banning bitcoin", they probably banned it 400 times if you listen to the news, and yet people every single time would fall for it and sell their bitcoins. If you believe in bitcoin just don't pay attention to all the FUD, sometimes it's true, the majority of times is not.
Probably, that’s how the market works. If we can’t stay and take advantage of every bad news that will make the bitcoin price drops, then how are we supposed to accumulate bitcoin in the first place? Actually, bad news are not only happening during bearish market, it’s also visible when the market is bullish, but people don’t actually care about it as they are more concern on how to sell at profits when every coin in the market is increasing its value and price. And bullish market creates the best selling point, so negative news will never be entertained anyway.

Agree that bad news is also in a bull market, but it is not as much and not as big as in a bear market. Do you see any collapse during the bull season? I'm pretty sure we never saw that happen but when the bull season ended, things got worse, not only the bans but also the collapse of the projects happened in a row during bear season. So I think the crypto market is a manipulative market and not based on supply and demand like other markets.

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May 06, 2023, 09:20:36 AM
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This applies when you take Bitcoin as a short Investment plan and want to quit the market after making a profit. I am not saying that I don't consider it an investment. But, I'd instead consider it savings where I care less about the market price. Because I believe Bitcoin will gain massive ROI in the long run. If Bitcoin gives me a good return in the future, I will be happy to take it. But I won't be sad If Bitcoin doesn't give me a good profit Because, as I said before, I'd instead consider it a savings wallet.
There are two plans that you can implement in investing in bitcoin, the short term as a way to get the closest profit both in small and large amounts, while the long term pattern can be considered as saving the value of the currency invested in bitcoin. As we know that bitcoin is very suitable for long-term investment and these two ways should be done together with an adjusted capital percentage, but if we don't understand how to read market conditions then long-term is a better choice because we don't need to monitor conditions market any time.

Therefore it depends on how one can take advantage of these two plans and most importantly how comfortable it is in investing, but if both can be controlled properly it will be much better, so that in the short term and long term both benefit. If you believe Bitcoin will get a large ROI in the long term then the choice is much better for you to do.

This applies when you want to hold it for a long time. Bitcoin will continue to replace its ATH in the long run. No matter what your buying price is. You must be patient and hold tight until you see another ATH or a higher price than your buying price. I lost a lot in Bitcoin in the last couple of years, making mistakes that a newbie does. But I learned a lot since then.
It's better to have made a mistake than to try in the absence of knowledge and experience that will lead us to a better prepared stage to control risk. Almost many people have made mistakes when investing, and I and many others are no exception, so based on this experience we understand more about how to make the right investments. Buy and hold bitcoin because we will see the process, patience and discipline will bring us to the maturity stage in investing and bitcoin is very suitable for long-term investment as an asset that is able to maintain investment value.

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May 10, 2023, 08:03:19 AM
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I am present in crypto space years ago and I have witnessed two bear market,
you have witnessed 2 bear market? meaning you already witnessed 2 Bull market right?

but why still asks something like this?


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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...


you should understand everything about this now mate for 4-8 years of being here (if I am correct about your years here)

there are some elements that tries to fool people and make things complicated to change the momentum .

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Agree that bad news is also in a bull market, but it is not as much and not as big as in a bear market. Do you see any collapse during the bull season? I'm pretty sure we never saw that happen but when the bull season ended, things got worse, not only the bans but also the collapse of the projects happened in a row during bear season. So I think the crypto market is a manipulative market and not based on supply and demand like other markets.
lol , Bad news is being spread in Bull market because there are so much happening about manipulation and they wanted
to bring the price down so they will re purchase .

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Yeah I know about you but there is a possibility that the last couple of months you were talking about is really not something that's going to change or even improve over time.   
It is what makes people realize that a bear market is inevitable because its not just a price fluctuation   
to make it a bear market but because the price does not always increase up and it is not like it happens all the time. 
You would have been like that in Bitcoin in 2017, but not now!   
What you should do with yourself, is to be aware of what the market is all about and not to be afraid. 
 
I believe that at some point every bear market is just a temporary bubble.   
 
Just like you have not seen the value drop so often, you are talking about the market crashing, not the prices going down.
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