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April 27, 2023, 01:00:48 AM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished?
Actually, all bad news is still there in the bull market but because people are hyped, the bad news sink and disappear is self. When I look at ATH a couple of years ago, I heard several bad news appears during the bull market, but all people didn't talk about it on Twitter or any Social media, then, no need for a long time that bad news is disappearing itself. This means, all the bad news is always there, and it's not making for any purpose except for FUD.

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April 27, 2023, 01:24:21 AM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...
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Take note also that in the cryptocurrency market, there are a lot of entities or news outlets or personalities that are spreading fake news or in short FUD to try to manipulate the market.
There are a lot of cases here, just like misleading news, fake news, FUD news, etc.
I think you already spot it like how the FUD exists there.

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April 27, 2023, 01:33:13 AM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished?
Actually, all bad news is still there in the bull market but because people are hyped, the bad news sink and disappear is self. When I look at ATH a couple of years ago, I heard several bad news appears during the bull market, but all people didn't talk about it on Twitter or any Social media, then, no need for a long time that bad news is disappearing itself. This means, all the bad news is always there, and it's not making for any purpose except for FUD.

This is true, bad news always exists and spreads even during the bull season, but people seem less preoccupied and focused on making profits, so bad news goes almost unnoticed. But what OP said is not entirely wrong, in a bear market, there is more bad news than in a bull market. We will never see a big crash in a bull market, but they will always appear one after another in a bear market. So that's why I've always thought crypto is still a manipulated market rather than a market based on supply and demand.



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April 27, 2023, 02:20:17 AM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished?
Actually, all bad news is still there in the bull market but because people are hyped, the bad news sink and disappear is self. When I look at ATH a couple of years ago, I heard several bad news appears during the bull market, but all people didn't talk about it on Twitter or any Social media, then, no need for a long time that bad news is disappearing itself. This means, all the bad news is always there, and it's not making for any purpose except for FUD.
Bad news and good news are always there all the time. The problem is that the news will strongly impact every moment. So when the market is bearish and bad news is released, even though the bad news doesn't really have a big impact, it has a big impact and makes people panic. Vice versa.

People need to calm themselves down when bad news is released and not take it seriously while figuring out what's happening. Maybe the bad news is just to make people more scared and worried but if people can handle their emotions, the bad news won't have much impact on the market.

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April 27, 2023, 02:42:50 AM
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If for 2 cycles you have not dumped when the bull run is at its peak then you sure are hoping for a higher profit. You don't need negative news before dumping, you just need the charts.

But it's true though that it feels like the price is manipulated all the time thru the news and Gary Gensler and it's up to them, whoever they are, when the bull run starts, and when it ends regardless of the halving.


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April 27, 2023, 02:52:15 AM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished?
Actually, all bad news is still there in the bull market but because people are hyped, the bad news sink and disappear is self. When I look at ATH a couple of years ago, I heard several bad news appears during the bull market, but all people didn't talk about it on Twitter or any Social media, then, no need for a long time that bad news is disappearing itself. This means, all the bad news is always there, and it's not making for any purpose except for FUD.

This the actual thing that happened during the bull run. Yes, those negative news are always there, it is the people's reaction on the certain price that makes the negative or positive news became the main content in the internet, thus make it look like one of them disappears when nobody is talking  about the other one. The same thing goes with what the content will be in this forum when Bitcoin is in bearish or bullish condition.
Some of these news were created to either spread FUD or hype. These doesn't work most of the time because not all investors are dependent on what's the content in the media, instead they are looking at an actual chart/price action.

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April 27, 2023, 03:08:53 AM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...
Not an OG, but even outside crypto, these kinds of news are always happening. What's the point of all of this? It's simple. It is to get clicks in their articles as well as gain reputation. Like others mentioned here, it's the usual journalism that you can even hear at your live news and this is why I am never ever going to be a journalist. You would hear plenty of times on how many times Bitcoin already died and see those news disappear but still get cemented in Bitcoin Obituaries.

User tranthidung linked a good site for what I am talking about.

Actually, all bad news is still there in the bull market but because people are hyped, the bad news sink and disappear is self. When I look at ATH a couple of years ago, I heard several bad news appears during the bull market, but all people didn't talk about it on Twitter or any Social media, then, no need for a long time that bad news is disappearing itself. This means, all the bad news is always there, and it's not making for any purpose except for FUD.
It is just a simple statement that it is a great news for those who held Bitcoin for so long while it is a bad news for those who are still looking to buy their sold coins back. Twitter is still somehow a good source of news if you read with.....moderation.
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April 27, 2023, 03:09:17 AM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

Are we been played? Are these people toying with us, knowing that crypto will work but let's scare the hell out of them and take advantage of the fear? I can't come up with anything that makes more sense than this.

If you have been here for a couple of years, Do you remember when Elon Musk Announced Tesla would accept Bitcoin as a payment method, and we saw a massive pump on the market? This is whales who are playing with us and the market. Elon Musk announced they would accept Bitcoin as payment method > Market Pumped > Elon Musk Cashed Out his profit > Elon Musk says Tesla will stop accepting bitcoin for car purchases, citing environmental concerns > Market dropped a little bit. He waited a couple of weeks. Probably Buy Back some Bitcoin again, and now > Elon Musk says Tesla will 'most likely' accept bitcoin again when it becomes more eco-friendly. then again > Tesla unlikely to accept Bitcoin again.

I don't know if Tesla accepts Bitcoin right now. But the PDF they prepared and uploaded to their website still exists on their website. Here it is https://www.tesla.com/assets/pdf/BTC_What_You_Need_To_Know_en_US.pdf. This PDF refers to two more web page of their website, which is this and this. I tried searching Keyword "Bitcoin" and found nothing on their website. So, It's unlikely they accept Bitcoin.

This is just a scenario I mentioned. Other whales are hiding and playing with the market.

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April 27, 2023, 03:18:05 AM
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I think there will be many explanations for the problem from the OP, but what I feel in the market is that we are very easily psychologically controlled even though we try to calculate everything carefully before starting, but when we go In fact, everything is easily reversed. The news is released as part of the crowd's emotional manipulation of the market and the few that get away with this are left alone with their portfolios in the market.

There are many ways to approach this market but I find that if we don't get enough results to satisfy ourselves, we will always be stuck in what is this
news game that will last, and give it a try. Ask where the news is coming from whether good or bad it is like a war between two factions, participants can either stay out of sight or be one of the parties where they are manipulated by the psychological game needy.









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April 27, 2023, 04:27:13 AM
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It's called market sentiment, when the trend is bearish then expect that the people will view the bitcoin in negative things that will cause panic, media manipulation, fear and many more but when the market transition in to bullish you will see that the sentiment will change significantly and people will view it in positive way and there are a lot of good news that will published in the internet. That kind of scenario is pretty normal and it always happen not only cryptocurrencies but also in stocks. The price retraced in the past days but it does mean that we are now in bearish?

For me it is a big no, if you will look at the bigger time frame like weekly and monthly, you can see that the chart already made a solid base that we can consider as major support. Whales are starting to move also and it causes the price to bounce in the key levels. If the price of the bitcoin breaks the $31k then it is confirmation that we will see a bullish season for this year. The bear market is now too long and for me the bitcoin has now a momentum to break the key levels so expect a positive things that will happen in the following weeks.
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April 27, 2023, 04:39:11 AM
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When bad news arrive many people fear and start selling their coins, this results in more sell order then buy order and hence the price starts falling down and it seems like we are in the bear market. And when there is no bad news regarding cryptos, many people start buying the coins and hence set the demand of the coin high for which the price goes up due to the limited supply of the coins. In the op you have mentioned that the coins follow reverse pattern, but Bitcoins works the way in which I mentioned above.

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April 27, 2023, 04:58:19 AM
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If we pay more attention and combine market analysis both technically, fundamentally and sentimentally. so it can indeed be said that there are times when we see the accumulation period, namely where bitcoin experiences sideways, so at that time small news will be made big. and old news is even brought back as if it were new news. and I think these fuds were deliberately spread to stop the rate of increase. because there are parties who really might do it on purpose because they are in accumulation mode. Because after these parties have finished accumulating, it is not surprising that positive news will begin to emerge. and controlling market sentiment so that it changes in a positive direction. We as market players must be sensitive about this. and I'm still studying this.

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April 27, 2023, 08:57:04 AM
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If for 2 cycles you have not dumped when the bull run is at its peak then you sure are hoping for a higher profit. You don't need negative news before dumping, you just need the charts.

But it's true though that it feels like the price is manipulated all the time thru the news and Gary Gensler and it's up to them, whoever they are, when the bull run starts, and when it ends regardless of the halving.
that is a long time of waiting , although there are holders that keeps their funds since day one ,
yet we can consider this a heroic way now.
imagine seeing your funds increase hundreds of percent yet you manage to wait more?
then you are capable of living without that bitcoin in your wallet.
Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished?
Actually, all bad news is still there in the bull market but because people are hyped, the bad news sink and disappear is self. When I look at ATH a couple of years ago, I heard several bad news appears during the bull market, but all people didn't talk about it on Twitter or any Social media, then, no need for a long time that bad news is disappearing itself. This means, all the bad news is always there, and it's not making for any purpose except for FUD.
bad news will keep popping even there is a bear or bull and people here are used to it, I don't know why OP is still having this thoughts when he already witnessed happening several times.

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April 27, 2023, 09:10:30 AM
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I'm crypto market there are some big whales who are playing with us. They sometime force the market to pump and also also crash the market by making excuse on a little bad news. So markets can be manipulated and fake pumps happen sometimes and after that whales and traders dump the market for a correction.
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April 27, 2023, 10:42:01 AM
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Well, first of all, you don't sound stupid for saying that, it is a good observation and has some reality in it, but what I really think is that news, either good or bad, doesn't stop whether the times are good or bad but it's just that the public tends to react to them based on how the market is reacting, that is probably the reason why when there is a bull run, bad news doesn't really matter much or have much of an effect on the price.

The manipulation of the market is mostly done by the whales and that doesn't always involve news but they tend to do it by buying or selling with big amounts mostly, maybe sometimes the news is a plot for the general public to spread FUD and have a better price for themselves.

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April 27, 2023, 10:59:05 AM
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Personally i think that is the motive behind the constant FUD especially during the bear season, they try to increase the fud on crypto when the price is down to inject more fear on people to sell and stay away but people are more aware and understand the game more. Before china Fud use to have great impact in btc price but overtime people are more understanding of the situation and pay less attention to irrelevant Fud spread by btc haters.
Fud and bad news will always exist as far as human are concerned, in the case of btc fud, majority of crypto users no longer fret over such news because at the end the market still prevail. 

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April 27, 2023, 11:15:18 AM
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During the bear market,because bitcoin is not doing well in price,people can come up with so many Fud on bitcoin and it will sell, due to the fact that it is bearish. Media and government are the ones that trend the Fud,what do you expect from investors or newbies that don't have the knowledge of bitcoin market analysis? They will panic and sell off or run away from bitcoin because the FUD was spread by people who the citizens listen to. As for the bull run,it will always be good news in the air because these so called government and media are ashamed that bitcoin has proven them wrong and if they come up with any bad news,the citizens will know that they are lairs and will turn deaf ears to them.
 From my own side, all these good news and bad news in the bull and bear markets are there to help bitcoin repeat history,because during the bearish period a lot of investors will panic and sell but some will see it as an advantage to accumulate more coins for themselves, preparing towards the next bull run.
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

When your investment is going well, there is nothing like bad news again. Some of those people complaining or raising bad news are also investors, so if their investments is going up with huge profits they will not talk and as a result of that all we here then is good news, but once the market is in the other side, impatient investors will start having problems within themselves and as a result of that, we do have bad news which is the market is been affected most times.

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April 27, 2023, 12:19:43 PM
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Why is it that bad news always comes in a bear market and when we are in a bull market, all bad news about Bitcoin vanished? Are they doing this on purpose? It's always the bear market, after halving everything will disappear and some bans will be lifted, and so on...

How to encourage people to buy in a bull market when the price is very high, there is only one answer, everyone needs to talk about bitcoin and say only good things, that the price will be much higher than it is at the moment. I'm not sure, but I think that in a bull market there is also negative news that is used for local corrections, but of course they are much less than in a bear market. It's all part of one big game, if you understand that, then this should not be a problem for you, just try to get the benefit of this knowledge.
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April 27, 2023, 01:39:47 PM
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In my opinion, it is due to some force manipulating the market for profit. Cryptocurrencies are still a market that is manipulated rather than driven by supply and demand.
If we pay attention, every time the bear market comes, we get more bad news and more market crashes than just bad news from the government or the regulatory agencies. In a bull market, I have never seen a crash like Luna or FTX, but it happens more often during a bear season. Almost everything is pre-calculated.

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