[Boxing] Jason Moloney vs Vincent Astrolabio WBO 118lbs Title (May 13)

[bisdak40]

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Date: May 13, 2023
Venue: TBA

I think this title fight deserves a dedicated thread for us to discuss the boxers involved.

With the series of upsets by a non so popular Filipino boxers, i think this one we should not miss. Vincent Astrolabio will go against Moloney for the vacant WBO bantamweight title, the latter chooses this path as he thinks that this is an easier path to a title rather than facing Nonito Donaire for that WBC version.

But we know how risky it is if you are facing a Filipino pug, especially on this stage because we all know that Filipino boxers will bring their all just to win this fight.

Current odds: Moloney 1.72   Astrolabio 2.00


Bookies though that this is almost an even fight with the odds they are releasing.

What do you think of this fight guys?

https://www.boxingscene.com/jason-moloney-vincent-astrolabio-wbo-title-fight-13-co-feature-alimkhanuly-butler--173289

[robelneo]

I have Astrolabio in this fight, among the new crop of Filipino fighters Vincent is a cut above the rest he can take a punch has a good defense, and is a power puncher, he is one exciting boxer to watch maybe a tame Pitbull he is not afraid to get hit to get a hit of his own. Jason is a good technical fighter but in his fight against Inoue, Inoue just eats his punch he has no respect for Moloney's power, if Astrolabio can take his punches he is in big trouble.
Moloney's chin is a big suspect here, this is going to be an exciting fight because both fighters are not afraid to engage.

Based on the article Astrolabio opted to fight Moloney instead of Rodriguez because Rodriguez is a tough fighter to deal with than Moloney, his team has a good decision to fight Moloney but they still have to train Astrolabio hard, even if they think their chances are good.
 

Astrolabio and Rodriguez were ordered to enter talks for a title fight that seemed all but certain to make its way to the schedule.

Astrolabio’s team instead fancied a shot at Moloney in the second official bantamweight title fight in the post-Inoue era. Fittingly, first up is the April 16 vacant WBA title fight between Takuma Inoue—Naoya’s younger brother—and Liborio Solis in Tokyo. 

[Kemarit]

Might be better to give a Filipino again a good chance against Moloney. We all know that Tapales recently upset Akhmadaliev, so I wouldn't be surprised if a fellow Filipino will pull another big win here.

Jason Moloney is good no doubt, but he shouldn't underestimate Astrolabio here. Sure Vincent might not have a good resume, but he has the heart and the power as his last two fights were in a knockout win. And I agree that Moloney chin is not that good, and for sure, he will be tested by Astrolabio and see if he will hold or will be broken into pieces.

[coin-investor]

I have to check both fighters' recent fights to see how they fitted and it seems Asrolabio has a better chance to winning the fight this is going to be a slugfest because that's both fighter's style of fighting, we all know style makes a fight and both fighters love to engage Vincent has a better chin and knock out power, this is a good year for the Filipino boxers as they have a chance to have another champion in Astrolabio, and this is because Inoue is moving up.
 

[aioc]

Because of Inoue's moving up and conquering territories, a lot of boxers are vying for the 118lbs title and this is the weight category where Filipinos excel, I have seen Astrolabio's latest fight and it was impressive, and I believe he is ready to take this fight and based on both boxers performance, Astolabio's chances is better, if Vincent prepare hard for this fight, we'll have two Filipino Champion this year and it's a big rebound from a dismal performance of the Filipino boxers last year.

[Japinat]

I will be rooting for the underdog here and this will be a good opportunity for Vincent Astrolabio to become a champion at 118. It might be a tough close fight but I believe he can do it because talking about chances, he got literally got a decent chance on upsetting the favorite because Jason Moloney doesn't really have anything special within him.

And it's quite funny for me because out of all boxers that are inside the WBO's top 10 at 118, he picked Astrolabio who is ranked #2 and is a fellow countryman of Nonito Donaire. I'm sensing that Moloney might've another reason why he chose Astrolabio, but anyway, as I said, Astrolabio got a decent chance in cracking Moloney..

[Yatsan]

Moloney is advantageous in this fight;record and KO percentage. But Astrolabio would be more eager I guess for being in lower ranking also this fight could open a bigger spotlight for his career. Vincent is from the same country I was born with but Jason has the edge in this fight if we would base on their previous fights. What's nore likely to happen is a victory by means of KO simply because of their fighting styles. Both has power in their punches which could knock each other cold if it would be precised. However, I'd probably not bet on this one simply because odds of winning bet is close with the other outcome which I think is risky. I'd rather enjoy this fight as a fan to enjoy how this match up would end.

[Baofeng]

I think it's more of Top Rank doesn't want to work with Nonito or his handlers that time Probellum because Arum believed that their backer is a Mafia. Nonito has moved as well, Richard Schaefer bolted out of Probellum already.

And with that Moloney chooses to go on the other direction, but still have the chance to fight for the belt. However, he might still choose the wrong path as he will be facing another Filipino, maybe not as big as Nonito Donaire's name, but equally impressive fighter and rising in the ranks as well in Vincent Astrolabio. So he shouldn't feel the any advantage here, on the other hand, this could be as tough as facing Nonito because Vincent has power. So clearly, I will have Vincent here by ML since he is a slight underdog in this fight. He just need to really focus and train 100% and let's see if we will have another Filipino champion, following Tapales big win just 4 lbs higher division.

[bisdak40]

I think it's more of Top Rank doesn't want to work with Nonito or his handlers that time Probellum because Arum believed that their backer is a Mafia. Nonito has moved as well, Richard Schaefer bolted out of Probellum already.

Part of it might also be that uncle Bob is afraid that his ward will fall to the old Nonito Donaire as the latter still got the killer instinct and there kid has no chance of winning against Donaire hehe.

And with that Moloney chooses to go on the other direction, but still have the chance to fight for the belt. However, he might still choose the wrong path as he will be facing another Filipino, maybe not as big as Nonito Donaire's name, but equally impressive fighter and rising in the ranks as well in Vincent Astrolabio. So he shouldn't feel the any advantage here, on the other hand, this could be as tough as facing Nonito because Vincent has power. So clearly, I will have Vincent here by ML since he is a slight underdog in this fight. He just need to really focus and train 100% and let's see if we will have another Filipino champion, following Tapales big win just 4 lbs higher division.

The last two fight of Astrolabio were impressive for me, got a knockout win against a tough Potapov and a unanimous win against Rigo which for me if you beat this guy, you must be good. Though in terms of talent/skill, Vincent is a little lower to that of Moloney but with that Filipino heart and against the odds, i have high hope that this would be another upset in the making.

I'm waiting for how much we will win if we bet for Astrolabio via KO/TKO, that would be juicy i think.

[Jawhead999]

I pick Astrolabio in this fight.

Although Moloney only lost against two top boxers in his weight e.g. Inoue and Emmanuel Rodríguez, but his winnings are mostly against weak boxers. Nawaphon Kaikanha who previously beaten by Moloney is one of the example, he have 58 fights but most of them are unknown boxers.

On other hand, Astrolabio lost 3 times in 2017-2018, but it's already 5 years ago and I think those lost are the factors how Astrolabio can reach at this point. He ever beat Guillermo Rigondeaux who's one of a good boxer, Astrolabio win via unanimous decision while Casimero only win via split decision.

[Jating]

I pick Astrolabio in this fight.

Although Moloney only lost against two top boxers in his weight e.g. Inoue and Emmanuel Rodríguez, but his winnings are mostly against weak boxers. Nawaphon Kaikanha who previously beaten by Moloney is one of the example, he have 58 fights but most of them are unknown boxers.

On other hand, Astrolabio lost 3 times in 2017-2018, but it's already 5 years ago and I think those lost are the factors how Astrolabio can reach at this point. He ever beat Guillermo Rigondeaux who's one of a good boxer, Astrolabio win via unanimous decision while Casimero only win via split decision.

Vincent's lost was early in his career, so we can say that maybe he was still too green that time or doesn't have the benefits of having a good trainer in his side. But once he matured, his career really took off and his last 3 wins is very impressive indeed, that's why now he has that opportunity to level up and become a champion in the bantamweight. And as what others mentioned, do not underestimate Filipinos as they might look weak or something, but they can deceived their opponents.

On the other hand, although Moloney has face tough opponents, he always feel short. Meaning he could not be in the caliber of elite fighters in bantamweight, more of a gate keeper boxer.

[Distinctin]

I pick Astrolabio in this fight.

Although Moloney only lost against two top boxers in his weight e.g. Inoue and Emmanuel Rodríguez, but his winnings are mostly against weak boxers. Nawaphon Kaikanha who previously beaten by Moloney is one of the example, he have 58 fights but most of them are unknown boxers.

On other hand, Astrolabio lost 3 times in 2017-2018, but it's already 5 years ago and I think those lost are the factors how Astrolabio can reach at this point. He ever beat Guillermo Rigondeaux who's one of a good boxer, Astrolabio win via unanimous decision while Casimero only win via split decision.

Vincent's lost was early in his career, so we can say that maybe he was still too green that time or doesn't have the benefits of having a good trainer in his side. But once he matured, his career really took off and his last 3 wins is very impressive indeed, that's why now he has that opportunity to level up and become a champion in the bantamweight. And as what others mentioned, do not underestimate Filipinos as they might look weak or something, but they can deceived their opponents.

On the other hand, although Moloney has face tough opponents, he always feel short. Meaning he could not be in the caliber of elite fighters in bantamweight, more of a gate keeper boxer.

Even Jason Moloney himself knew that and that is why he didn't pushed through for the vacant WBC belt because he will be facing the Filipino Flash in that path, instead, he picked the vacant WBO where he will face Vincent Astrolabio, a not so known boxer compared to Nonito Donaire but not good to underestimate as his recent records can vouch him that Vincent is not an easy opponent to fight with.

[TimeTeller]

I pick Astrolabio in this fight.

Although Moloney only lost against two top boxers in his weight e.g. Inoue and Emmanuel Rodríguez, but his winnings are mostly against weak boxers. Nawaphon Kaikanha who previously beaten by Moloney is one of the example, he have 58 fights but most of them are unknown boxers.

On other hand, Astrolabio lost 3 times in 2017-2018, but it's already 5 years ago and I think those lost are the factors how Astrolabio can reach at this point. He ever beat Guillermo Rigondeaux who's one of a good boxer, Astrolabio win via unanimous decision while Casimero only win via split decision.

Vincent's lost was early in his career, so we can say that maybe he was still too green that time or doesn't have the benefits of having a good trainer in his side. But once he matured, his career really took off and his last 3 wins is very impressive indeed, that's why now he has that opportunity to level up and become a champion in the bantamweight. And as what others mentioned, do not underestimate Filipinos as they might look weak or something, but they can deceived their opponents.

On the other hand, although Moloney has face tough opponents, he always feel short. Meaning he could not be in the caliber of elite fighters in bantamweight, more of a gate keeper boxer.

Even Jason Moloney himself knew that and that is why he didn't pushed through for the vacant WBC belt because he will be facing the Filipino Flash in that path, instead, he picked the vacant WBO where he will face Vincent Astrolabio, a not so known boxer compared to Nonito Donaire but not good to underestimate as his recent records can vouch him that Vincent is not an easy opponent to fight with.

Based from the current odds, Moloney is the early favorite of the bookies.
But yes, Moloney should not underestimate Astrolabio who is less known among the boxing community.
From his record, it seems that he has something to offer to the boxing fans.
Moloney may have chosen an easier fight but this one I believe is not so easier as Astrolabio is a Filipino boxer.
We know how they are being prepared for the fight and their motivation to win, it's all for the family.

[harizen]

Nice creating this thread, kabayan. It's a must-thread, especially for those PH boxing enthusiasts here.

Just a recap for others, Jason Moloney is the former Rank 1 by the WBC in the 118 lbs division and supposedly, he's the one who will face the rank 2, Nonito Donaire Jr. for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title that is being vacated by Naoya Inoue who now moved up to 122 lbs. Moving forward, Moloney's camp withdraws from the supposed fight with Donaire without detailed information about the reason (there is a reason but not sure if that's accurate as per most boxing fans think). WBC drops Moloney on their ranking list and opt-in instead to face Vincent Astrolabio.

Let's see if Jason Moloney's camp did a good choice on "avoiding" Donaire Jr. and took Astrolabio instead.

[smyslov]

I voted Astrolabio to win this match because of both fighter's previous fights, I made it a reference because a boxer's last and previous fights will have an impact on his coming fight, so Astrolabio is coming on big wins against a Russian, and a former champion Rigondeaux, while Moloney is coming on a devastated knock out loss against Inoue, so one is coming from a winning momentum while the other is from recovery so I prefer the one coming from good wins than coming from a knockout, I hope my prediction will come true.
Anyway, both fighters deserve to be a champion because they both have good records.

[monedauno]

A:

There is a lot of hype going on in the Philippines, especially in light of the fact that it is the most watched show on TV right now.
The biggest problem is that most Filipinos don't have access to TV, which is a shame because they are used to watching shows that are on the air all the time. This has been the case for a long time, but it is no longer the case.
In the Philippines, there are a lot of things that go on in the media, like political correctness, fake news, etc. The most popular shows are the ones that have nothing to do with politics, but are a part of the entertainment industry.
So, you can see that there is a lot of hype going on in the media, but that is not enough to get people to pay attention to the fights and make a judgement based on what is going on in the media.
I am going to try to answer your questions in a way that you can understand, and I hope this will help you in your decision.

1. How much money do you have to pay to get a fight?
2. What is the difference between boxing and boxing-related fights?
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[Kasabus]

I voted Astrolabio to win this match because of both fighter's previous fights, I made it a reference because a boxer's last and previous fights will have an impact on his coming fight, so Astrolabio is coming on big wins against a Russian, and a former champion Rigondeaux, while Moloney is coming on a devastated knock out loss against Inoue, so one is coming from a winning momentum while the other is from recovery so I prefer the one coming from good wins than coming from a knockout, I hope my prediction will come true.
Anyway, both fighters deserve to be a champion because they both have good records.

But Rigo is way out of league compared to Naoya Inoue, so that is somehow incomparable because their recent fights aren't really the same. But I would like to add that Moloney's defeat against the Japanese monster will be a good thing in Astrolabio's camp as they will have a better understanding how to upset the favorite compared to the opposite camp where they have to dig old archives because Astrolabio's defeat was way back 2018 when the Filipino boxer was still in super-flyweight and I reckon that it's not really usable because Astrolabio has improved since that loss.

[danherbias07]

Nice creating this thread, kabayan. It's a must-thread, especially for those PH boxing enthusiasts here.

Just a recap for others, Jason Moloney is the former Rank 1 by the WBC in the 118 lbs division and supposedly, he's the one who will face the rank 2, Nonito Donaire Jr. for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title that is being vacated by Naoya Inoue who now moved up to 122 lbs. Moving forward, Moloney's camp withdraws from the supposed fight with Donaire without detailed information about the reason (there is a reason but not sure if that's accurate as per most boxing fans think). WBC drops Moloney on their ranking list and opt-in instead to face Vincent Astrolabio.

Let's see if Jason Moloney's camp did a good choice on "avoiding" Donaire Jr. and took Astrolabio instead.

He might think Astrolabia is the easiest way around. I wish this becomes an upset too. I don't like the avoiding part that Jason Moloney did against Nonito Donaire Jr. because The Flash was ready and just waiting for the fight date and he is also expecting to meet him in the ring for the vacant title. Most boxing analysts also did expect that match to happen.
Jason Moloney 1.81
Vincent Astrolabio 1.97
It's not far. So, people are also expecting Astrolabio to upset Moloney here just by using the odds as the basis for it. The other bets are not yet available like KO/TKO win and unanimous decision. I'd love to make a bet but I will wait for the other options to come out and will surely bet for Astrolabio's side either UD or KO.

[Yaunfitda]

Nice creating this thread, kabayan. It's a must-thread, especially for those PH boxing enthusiasts here.

Just a recap for others, Jason Moloney is the former Rank 1 by the WBC in the 118 lbs division and supposedly, he's the one who will face the rank 2, Nonito Donaire Jr. for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title that is being vacated by Naoya Inoue who now moved up to 122 lbs. Moving forward, Moloney's camp withdraws from the supposed fight with Donaire without detailed information about the reason (there is a reason but not sure if that's accurate as per most boxing fans think). WBC drops Moloney on their ranking list and opt-in instead to face Vincent Astrolabio.

Let's see if Jason Moloney's camp did a good choice on "avoiding" Donaire Jr. and took Astrolabio instead.

He might think Astrolabia is the easiest way around. I wish this becomes an upset too. I don't like the avoiding part that Jason Moloney did against Nonito Donaire Jr. because The Flash was ready and just waiting for the fight date and he is also expecting to meet him in the ring for the vacant title. Most boxing analysts also did expect that match to happen.
Jason Moloney 1.81
Vincent Astrolabio 1.97
It's not far. So, people are also expecting Astrolabio to upset Moloney here just by using the odds as the basis for it. The other bets are not yet available like KO/TKO win and unanimous decision. I'd love to make a bet but I will wait for the other options to come out and will surely bet for Astrolabio's side either UD or KO.

ML is already good bet for Vincent if that is the case, and for sure majority of us will go with the underdog as we can smell a upset here if Moloney is not careful or think that Astrolabio is a easy opponent.

Maybe as the fight gets closer, there could be a lot of options for us. But for now, almost doubling our money for a Astrolabio bet? it's already very attractive. And for sure Filipinos are going to stay tune and watch this fight because it could be another world champion for him waiting to happen.

[bisdak40]

ML is already good bet for Vincent if that is the case, and for sure majority of us will go with the underdog as we can smell a upset here if Moloney is not careful or think that Astrolabio is a easy opponent.

Maybe as the fight gets closer, there could be a lot of options for us. But for now, almost doubling our money for a Astrolabio bet? it's already very attractive. And for sure Filipinos are going to stay tune and watch this fight because it could be another world champion for him waiting to happen.

There's not much changes on the odds for this fight, almost even though Moloney is the slight favorite but the number is not significant.

Yeah, doubling our money by betting on Vincent is already a good option but as the fight goes near, i am sure that there will be other options/markets for this fight but i would stick to my plan to bet on the ML odds.

Just hoping that it would still be an upset this time favoring the Filipino pug.