Can we trust 3rd party Slot providers?

[TimeTeller]

Trust is what makes us still play in the casino. The only time we can’t trust this 3rd party slot provider is when they show irregularities but being doubtful to them without any valid reason will just make our gambling experience full of doubts.

Like what Stake did. The only thing we can do is trust the casino that accepts this 3rd party slot provider since they are the one who review and audit this games to ensure the safety of their customer. For me I can still trust some of the slot provider that has good track of record for providing a quality slot game.

Yes, we get that trust from what they show us so I personally trust third parties as providers, in other words what stake.com does they show independent identification as a third party gambling platform and directly audit all game servers in the ecosystem they.
This discussion makes me doubt other third parties who are still using the same game, will this news put pressure on other third party gambling platforms, should they also delete or re-audit games from YGGDRASIL and iSoftbet? because even though this is an irregularity found by Stake.com, we don't know their reasons behind the irregularities they found.

We don't know exactly what irregularities they found, but if they have the reason to remove it, then it means it is not good for their business.
This is why casinos have their own department when it comes to audit, taking charge on the games they are offering to their players.
Better catch them early rather than being screwed big time later on. Also, it can potentially jeopardize their business if they failed to see possible source of complaint from their users.
That's the good thing also if the casino is earning good income, they can truly allot funds for security, trusted auditors and others.
And why we also trust reputable and top casinos, because they are doing their job to serve best their clients.

[CryptSafe]

My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

About trust and things? The gambling industry is doing business. A piece of software is easy to manipulate especially when it is not open source. So no matter if that is an in-house slot from a highly trusted casino or third party integration, you always have the chance to lose big money and become a victim of manipulation.

Doing business is a normal thing enterprises do but their interest is always paramount which we all know so they can go to any extent to protect it without thinking what it would cost them as long as they have a way to cover their shaddy deal that is ok for them. So manipulation of softwares at their own benefit to the detriment of their players is not a thing of worry to them as they find and derive pleasure in doing such. This makes me believe that games lost by bettors or gamblers are not just a lose game but a manipulative one from casinos as a result of their position in setting up the game for the player, manipulating game softwares and doing everything necessary to make sure they gain at all costs.

[Yogee]

Spend time on chat rooms of these casinos and you'll probably see some users demanding the owners to add a specific third party slots provider so that must mean they find them as trustworthy. Does that mean we should too? I don't really know since this matter is based mostly on personal experiences. If you have no issue with relying on other person's feedback then you can trust based on their judgement.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

Well, In my honest opinion, since we possibly do not have some personal ways of contacting the owners of the third party slot games, or even join and engage with their community, trusting them is not ours to do, but the casinos that list their games for we the users of the casino to play.

Trusting the providers of slot games is more a duty for the casinos, than it is for we the users, it is the casinos job to make sure the games listed on their platform are from trusted developers, simply because, if anything goes wrong, maybe like a player lost money unjustly, it is the casino will be held responsible even if the lost money is the game provider's fault, the casino will still have to see that the issue is resolved amicably for the sake of their reputation.

[bittraffic]

We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

Well, In my honest opinion, since we possibly do not have some personal ways of contacting the owners of the third party slot games, or even join and engage with their community, trusting them is not ours to do, but the casinos that list their games for we the users of the casino to play.

Trusting the providers of slot games is more a duty for the casinos, than it is for we the users, it is the casinos job to make sure the games listed on their platform are from trusted developers, simply because, if anything goes wrong, maybe like a player lost money unjustly, it is the casino will be held responsible even if the lost money is the game provider's fault, the casino will still have to see that the issue is resolved amicably for the sake of their reputation.

I remember there were accusations to casinos which casinos are trying to ask the 3rd party game provider to look at how users are trying to find ways to win. Casinos suspects there are sort of glitches that took advantage of.

Since Stake remove them, I guess Stake find them unreliable or doesn't trust them too.

[iv4n]

I play 3rd party slots and live games... I guess that means I trust them, even when I lose. And I lose, and I win... depending on the period. I have been lucky in the past couple of days.

If you don't trust them, don't play them. "Egyptian Adventure, Sword, Princess" is BC.game originals, Bitsler has two in-house slots as I remember (didn't play there for a long time), anyway when it comes to BC Originals you can verify bets. I have zillion bets on these slots, and I didn't see any difference when it comes to the "generosity" of RTP! I had some nice hits, but I had some great losses as well... and I never hit that max payout on Egyptian, not even close... my highest is a little over x1k, a long time ago.

PS. Slots are good for avoiding, but if you decide to play slots be ready for long streaks of dead spins and bonuses that don't give anything. I can repeat myself again (similar words in my previous comment), it can be auto mode, manual spinning, buying bonuses... if it's not a lucky day it's just not! We can push but we will just bury ourselves even deeper! Been there, done that... but I also know how good it feels to win something big with the last bets! Gambling excitements... 

[goldkingcoiner]

We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

That really depends on the third party. If they have been around for a long time and have been used by well known, old and trusted online gambling casinos, then I do not mind trusting the third party slot providers. However the ones who can only get a partnership with new and sketchy casinos that nobody wants to play on? Those I actively try to avoid, if possible at all.

I have no idea if they are audited or even subjected to strict regulations but I imagine there should be regulations for them as well. I mean the casino itself is heavily regulated, and by proxy it needs to have proof that the third party provider is trustworthy, otherwise the casino can get into hot water (legal trouble) really fast.

[Bushdark]

Spend time on chat rooms of these casinos and you'll probably see some users demanding the owners to add a specific third party slots provider so that must mean they find them as trustworthy. Does that mean we should too? I don't really know since this matter is based mostly on personal experiences. If you have no issue with relying on other person's feedback then you can trust based on their judgement.

If customers keep asking the team to add a particular game to the list they have then that do not means that the third party game s are good and trustworthy. These are just people's opinion and if the team think that it could tarnish there name at the end, then they have teb privilege to remove any third party games that would hurt the trustworthy of the casinos so they people would not later come back to hunt the casino of having scam slot providers on there casino. This is business and everyone needs to be careful.

[slapper]

My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss....  

About trust and things? The gambling industry is doing business. A piece of software is easy to manipulate especially when it is not open source. So no matter if that is an in-house slot from a highly trusted casino or third party integration, you always have the chance to lose big money and become a victim of manipulation.

Doing business is a normal thing enterprises do but their interest is always paramount which we all know so they can go to any extent to protect it without thinking what it would cost them as long as they have a way to cover their shaddy deal that is ok for them. So manipulation of softwares at their own benefit to the detriment of their players is not a thing of worry to them as they find and derive pleasure in doing such. This makes me believe that games lost by bettors or gamblers are not just a lose game but a manipulative one from casinos as a result of their position in setting up the game for the player, manipulating game softwares and doing everything necessary to make sure they gain at all costs.

Shadowy business realms! Scandals and sordid deals flood the headlines, and gambling? No exception. Casinos – notorious for guarding their profits like a sacred code, even tweaking software, rigging games.

Is every bettor's defeat truly a casino's sinister ploy? Sure, some are. But bad luck, lousy decisions? They happen too, folks!

[coinerer]

3rd party slot games are similar to normal slot games but they are not fully trusted as they may use some exceptional sources which may cause a gambler to lose again and again. Slot games are already based on luck and risky but 3rd party games are much more risky. So 3rd party slot games can never be completely reliable. But not all of them can be said to be unreliable. many 3rd party providers do real business. But before choosing any one should research so well

[Hispo]

If someone loves an specific game/slot which is third party, it is up to them whether to trust or not. Let the company reputation to speak for themselves.

When I play slot gambling I trust the site that I use, so whether I use a 3rd party slot provider or not, as long as playing doesn't occur problems and can still be relied on then trust will appear by itself.

If a casino has a good and trusted reputation, they will definitely also use a trusted and tested 3rd party provider, because this affects the reputation of the casino itself, making it impossible for them to use a provider that is not good.

Sure, I can understand that, but that approach only works if we gamble in casinos which take their reputation very seriously beyond the fact the have liquidity and pay their winners, so they bother to check whatever their providers send to them. Some third party games are very visually attractive and well-done, but it would be nice if those third party providers also offered some trust-less/provably fair mechanism so gamblers could verify their plays.

That is what fair gambling is mostly about and specially when we use a trust-less asset as Bitcoin to wager, as well.

[coin-investor]

I remember there were accusations to casinos which casinos are trying to ask the 3rd party game provider to look at how users are trying to find ways to win. Casinos suspects there are sort of glitches that took advantage of.

Since Stake remove them, I guess Stake find them unreliable or doesn't trust them too.

Stake has to protect its platform and protect its players as well They have a high standard being the number one gambling platform in the industry, they have to keep with what's best for its community so if they decide to take down
3rd party game provider game There's a compelling reason to do this, they have a team that monitors their third-party providers to protect their interest and satisfy their players.
I have seen a lot of complaints about third-party providers, and gambling platforms like Stake are up to date on this.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

Trust is what makes us still play in the casino. The only time we can’t trust this 3rd party slot provider is when they show irregularities but being doubtful to them without any valid reason will just make our gambling experience full of doubts.

Like what Stake did. The only thing we can do is trust the casino that accepts this 3rd party slot provider since they are the one who review and audit this games to ensure the safety of their customer. For me I can still trust some of the slot provider that has good track of record for providing a quality slot game.

Yes, we get that trust from what they show us so I personally trust third parties as providers, in other words what stake.com does they show independent identification as a third party gambling platform and directly audit all game servers in the ecosystem they.
This discussion makes me doubt other third parties who are still using the same game, will this news put pressure on other third party gambling platforms, should they also delete or re-audit games from YGGDRASIL and iSoftbet? because even though this is an irregularity found by Stake.com, we don't know their reasons behind the irregularities they found.

We don't know exactly what irregularities they found, but if they have the reason to remove it, then it means it is not good for their business.
This is why casinos have their own department when it comes to audit, taking charge on the games they are offering to their players.
Better catch them early rather than being screwed big time later on. Also, it can potentially jeopardize their business if they failed to see possible source of complaint from their users.
That's the good thing also if the casino is earning good income, they can truly allot funds for security, trusted auditors and others.
And why we also trust reputable and top casinos, because they are doing their job to serve best their clients.

     -  Maybe it's just losing here if the gambler knows how to choose a good cryptocurrency casino gambling. Because if you just put money in without doing any research in the casino gambling, chances are high that you will have problems in the end.

Anyone who owns a business, when he sees that there are bugs, of course he will not allow more bugs that can destroy the business that gives him profit, so what to do is to get rid of it as soon as possible.

[Negotiation]

Spend time on chat rooms of these casinos and you'll probably see some users demanding the owners to add a specific third party slots provider so that must mean they find them as trustworthy. Does that mean we should too? I don't really know since this matter is based mostly on personal experiences. If you have no issue with relying on other person's feedback then you can trust based on their judgement.

If customers keep asking the team to add a particular game to the list they have then that do not means that the third party game s are good and trustworthy. These are just people's opinion and if the team think that it could tarnish there name at the end, then they have teb privilege to remove any third party games that would hurt the trustworthy of the casinos so they people would not later come back to hunt the casino of having scam slot providers on there casino. This is business and everyone needs to be careful.

I agree 3rd party slot providers are hard to trust in casinos they are scams most of the time safety is of utmost importance in gambling. Our review includes checking the site's gambling permissions and what kind of security protocols they have in place to ensure player information security. Also look for justification certificates issued by third-party, independent auditing agencies, which further enhance security measures.

[Helena Yu]

Asking such question is just like asking can we trust a crypto casino?

Obviously the answer is the old and reputable casino can be trusted because it's unlikely the casino will turn become scam, not like a small casino where the casino either scam or get abandon by the owner.

If gambler want to prevent of getting scammed during gamble on third party slot providers, just pick either Pragmatic Play or Play n'Go.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

About trust and things? The gambling industry is doing business. A piece of software is easy to manipulate especially when it is not open source. So no matter if that is an in-house slot from a highly trusted casino or third party integration, you always have the chance to lose big money and become a victim of manipulation.

Doing business is a normal thing enterprises do but their interest is always paramount which we all know so they can go to any extent to protect it without thinking what it would cost them as long as they have a way to cover their shaddy deal that is ok for them. So manipulation of softwares at their own benefit to the detriment of their players is not a thing of worry to them as they find and derive pleasure in doing such. This makes me believe that games lost by bettors or gamblers are not just a lose game but a manipulative one from casinos as a result of their position in setting up the game for the player, manipulating game softwares and doing everything necessary to make sure they gain at all costs.

While it's obvious they manipulation the piece of software when you are using it but there is another thing which is the unlimited supply of money that they have.

A gambler never have an unlimite supply of money. When he is winning he is happy and wants to win more. You can not win all the time. Luck is a thing and it works for everyone. When you are lucky you are winning your chances and making profits but when the luck is not with you, you are losing. You try to chase your loss but then run out of your budget. Stop it for the day. You continue the cycle and in every cycle you are stopping when you are running out of your budget. Ultimately gambling industry is making money from it.

If your mindset was like in a session you will lose x amount or win y amount before you end the session. Have the numbers realistic. Whichever reach first stop the session. So if you lose x then stop the session. Come back for the next session with your scheduled time like you do your job. If you are lucky to reach y then also stop the session without becoming greedy for the next penny.

[swogerino]

If gambler want to prevent of getting scammed during gamble on third party slot providers, just pick either Pragmatic Play or Play n'Go.

Those are some of the most well known providers but Relax Gaming and No Limit City are in the same league when it comes to trusting third party slot providers and as you said most reputable casinos have no real reason to cheat on players by changing the RTP from those providers who offer such thing,namely I know only Play n Go so far.The reason is simple,there is the house edge in place which is exactly there to make the casino be in profit in the long run and the more people playing in such reputable casinos the better for them,so it is a personal choice where to trust these providers or not.

[Outhue]

In the end, I still gamble on Play'n'Go, but if I get positive results from the games, I keep gambling on that website for longer. My winning rounds are what are most important to me, that's why people leave one gambling platform for another, so the winning streaks are all that matters. When you win you will always want to play more but doing so you can get addicted too, that's why I don't focus too much on gambling, either I am winning or losing I just look at things as if I am day trading.

[iv4n]

If gambler want to prevent of getting scammed during gamble on third party slot providers, just pick either Pragmatic Play or Play n'Go.

Those are some of the most well known providers but Relax Gaming and No Limit City are in the same league when it comes to trusting third party slot providers and as you said most reputable casinos have no real reason to cheat on players by changing the RTP from those providers who offer such thing,namely I know only Play n Go so far.The reason is simple,there is the house edge in place which is exactly there to make the casino be in profit in the long run and the more people playing in such reputable casinos the better for them,so it is a personal choice where to trust these providers or not.

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I can't play Pragmatic without VPN  in 95% of casinos around, when it comes to Play'n'Go it's 50-50. But that is a different story I guess... what I wanted to say is that there are many other "more than good" providers around, with awesome slot games. BetSoft, Red Tiger, Push, and Yggdrasil are just some of the providers I play since ever. Recently I started playing Evoplay and ELK, they have some slots that look amazing... the gameplay, colors, and bonus rounds are very interesting.

I guess the only concern could be when a really big win happens (like huge, over $10k, maybe $100k), I would take a few screenshots and maybe a video (if possible) if there is a problem with the payment after that, which happened...

[panjul07]

My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Nothing we can do for this case if we want to play the games except trust the provider of the game.
Coming up to audit the games, I dont think there is other party who can audit the games by 3rd party providers except themselves and I think they keep it as a private thing.
There is no other option for us as gambler, whether to trust them and play the game or simply leave them if we feel there is something wrong.